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I've spent a long time doing the most comprehensive version of the survey at voteforpolicies.org.uk this morning ... and apparently my personal politics looks like this:

http://vfp.me/4BC6F2B28FEC5

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I see Prescott's been accused of playing 'dirty' too:

http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/61924,...dword-campaign

Well what have we come to expect from these people?..

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No doubt he'll claim that his account was 'hacked' and he's actually innocent. They always do.

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I got 50% Tory, 25% UKIP and 25% LibDem

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Leanings?
Add in the UKIP portion and you're 70% fascist! :shocked: :D


Looks like the Greens are appealing most to people's sentimentalities (visitors to that site at least), but probably not to their votes, when it comes to the crunch.

I played the game of guessing which policies belonged to which party, dodging the obvious electioneering and ludicrous promises.
Now I'm totally confused, especially since I advocated voting Lib-Dem!!

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2010/04/49.jpg

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Thank you Chris. :tu:

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But he is also 30% tree hugging, sandal-wearing, guardian reading, latte-drinking, do-gooding liberal :shocked: Not sure how that works, Maybe kick out them immigrants but give them free counselling, organic free-trade tea and a warm hug before they go? :D

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Or just keep the free lovin' good looking ones :naughty:

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Yeah, equal parts BNP and LibDem supporter. That's a new one on me :p:

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Reminds me of a punk with rightwing/conservative leanings :p:

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:p:

I'll tell you what, when I was a teenager i'd have made some of our resident lefties look like Nick Griffin.

But then I grew up :p:

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Well at least the main part is correct not sure about the other 2 :)

http://voteforpolicies.org.uk/survey.../4BC735CFDABA2http://vfp.me/4BC735CFDABA2

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Perhaps it is becasue of the many common policies that the Conservative party have with the BNP and UKIP.

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Maybe maybe not, but it is just a bit of fun in the end so i will not lose any sleep over it.

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Heres mine: http://voteforpolicies.org.uk/survey.../4BC73C06106DB

Surprising I must say! :D

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Very consistent :tu: :D

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I knew it. :D

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Erm.

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You're grasping again, but then that's what Labour is doing in the media as well so it's probably not surprising.

UKIP and the BNP are essentially single-interest pressure groups. They have fleshed out their manifestos because this is a national election and they are bound to be asked what their programme for government would be. It is hardly the Tories' fault that the BNP and UKIP believe there's an overlap in the beliefs of their target voter groups.

To attempt to smear the Tories by such association is merely grubby and negative. As others have observed in the past few days, what does it say about Labour and its supporters that it is so desperate to campaign on the alleged failings of its opponents and so reluctant to talk about its own supposed successes of the past 13 years?

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Erm what? :confused:

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He's mucked his link up. He thinks he has a link to his VFP results on his clipboard but he doesn't. It's a link to our Current Affairs forum. :D

Hang on a sec, I think I can find the right link in the post edit history ...

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... and that should be fixed now. I think Stu's perturbed by his greenness. :D

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HEADS UP ... Leaders' debate starts on ITV1 in under 10 minutes. I expect this thread to be very quiet until it's over. Then we can tear them all to shreds. :D

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Can't find a bookies offering odds on a fight between Brown and Cameron. :(

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I was.. I was also slightly surprised that either my Browser or the forum software were so determined to mess up the URL.. I copied and pasted from the URL bar on their site..

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Well let's see what they have to say for themselves then....

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Well, I listened to yesterdays Vote Now show (a special series from the Now Show team), and I like the way the comedian described the three leaders:

Gordon Brown: Speaks like he gets angry and has to let it out before his brain has had a chance to form the words.

David Cameron: Seems a nice man, but looks disturbingly like he's wearing a David Cameron mask.

Nick Clegg: Seems a nice man, but looks disturbingly like he's wearing a David Cameron mask.

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They know the production team will have made them leave their mobiles away from the stage. ;)

DC and NC seem to be doing OK, GB is a bit anonymous right now.

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Brown really is slipping. Waited a whole 25 minutes before mentioning Lord Ashcroft.

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That was good line though, first one so far.

He isn't doing too bad, none of them are. Cameron is not as active as I expected and Nick Glegg is actually doing a good job of making sure he isn't the third wheel in the debate.

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Clegg is running away with it (on electoral reform anyway)

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This is pretty good! They getting into it, Cameron almost got angry at Glegg! Brown has faded away a bit.

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seems like more of a Q&A than a debate and a chance to do a bit of electioneering ,i want to hear some cutting questions not the ones they expect to be asked

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It's close enough that everyone is going to think the party that want to win is winning. He is doing well though!

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Brown keeps saying Clegg supports him. You can see where Brown sees support should there be a hung parliament.

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Well he made him self look like a prat. He was hoping Glegg would double team on Cameron but he didn't bite and made the correct observation that Labour have had 13 years to 'reform' the commons and have only decided to support it now!

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I think so to, hope enough people notice his performance though....

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Where you a Lib Dem supporter or? I am wondering if my view of him is because I am (probably) going to vote for them.

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brown and cameron just keep repeating what their respective parties have said over the last 20 odd years


clegg for me

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Yes, allways have been, never voted for any other party at a general election...

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Agreed

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Gordy is growing on me. Good god what has this forum done to me. Id normally be on the ps3 but here I am watching this, its quite entertaining. I cant stand david, I know its about policies but theres something about him that I really dont like

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Considering The Sun's bias I think this means Glegg is ahead.

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Over the last few months I've been impressed with the lib dems on Question time and similar programmes, NC performance tonight is just reinforcing that.

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Crivvens Damien, if you're going to vote for him, get his name right ... ;)

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Opps C not G obviously...:dunce:

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Cameron and Brown are doing my head in with their constant recycling of the talking points. Clegg is the only person acting like a human being rather than a manifesto search engine and sound bite generator.

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hear, hear

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Yes, but his point about getting rid of our nuclear deterrant are a bit disturbing though.

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he has a point though ,we can't afford it

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I have to say Clegg is doing well, Its a shame he is in charge of a party i will never vote for because i cannot agree with there tree hugger policies. Brown has lost this debate completely and i hope the election . Its such a same Clegg is a liberal democrat or he would have changed my vote because of his performance.

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We already have it though? :confused:

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That is one of the reasons i cannot trust them to defend this countries defences

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i think he was talking maintaining it and updating it

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A brief interlude for a spot of tittle-tattle and knockabout nonsense. Here's a photo of Gordon Brown's next-door neighbour back home in Fife, with the latest addition to his front garden:

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2010/04/48.jpg

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politi...nd/8623543.stm

:D

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Clegg is really ripping into Cameron on balancing the books...

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Ahh, i see... Still a bit concerning though?

ROFL @ Chris' pic though!

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Not to convert you but I still wonder why you worry about their status on the Army because they want to increase their pay to public sector levels, spend trident money on conventional forces, and they wouldn't have sent people to Iraq.

Anyway I agree Brown has lost this debate. He just doesn't get involved.

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He hasn't said it needs getting rid of, he's suggesting a rethink of Trident. I would hope he'd be open to alternatives as we do absolutely need to retain an independent nuclear deterrent given the ongoing uncertainty in the world.

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Biggest round of applause for Alastair Stewart I reckon. He's run a tight, but fair ship tonight, and under immense pressure as well.

:clap:

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Agreed, a very well run show in my opinion.

Question Time should take note imo.

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I don't have a problem with there pay increase, However what use is an army against nuclear weapons if your army does not have them to defend yourself with should you be attacked by those that have them.

Clegg will get rid of them and possibly leave us open to attack from those that are striving to own these weapons. The problem with the Libs is that they would role over rather than defend and removing our Nuclear deterrent shows there true colours

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Indeed. I find Dimbleby far too keen to get involved...

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I agree with those who have pointed out Clegg's skill at engagement - he's summing up now and still referring to the questioners by name.

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Fair point, maybe I mis heard / understood. We certainly need to keep some sort of deterrant in my opinion. We are still alledgedly a superpower and need this imo to back that status up.

Otherwise we will get walked over and become the true doormat as some see we already are.

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How big will the armed forces be though on this higher pay? It's like saying "We're going to increase nurses' pay, but we're also going to get rid of 1/3 of them"

Wouldn't it be hilarious for Brown to lose his seat?

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Well I thought Clegg won but I hear Cameron did from the polls...althought it depends on the poll

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Well after round one Clegg was the winner but i am still going to vote Conservative because i just cannot put the libs in charge of our defence. Cleggs indication that he would get rid of Trident ensured that..

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Linkage? What poll is that?

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Very interesting real-time polling data on BBC news right now. Live stream:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/election2010/liveevent/

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Early poll from UKGOV says Glegg won. Sky Poll says Cameron won by clear margin.

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As I asked before, which "tree hugger" policies are they then?

[And going back to an earlier question, "What obvious sucking up to Labour"?]

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/35001355-post77.html

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/20...l#post34998633


http://www.libdems.org.uk/defence.aspx

http://www.libdems.org.uk/siteFiles/...%20Defence.pdf


http://network.libdems.org.uk/manife...festo_2010.pdf


Given the state of the economy, & given the kind of cuts needed, is it *really* worth spending that much money on a full like-for-like replacement of Trident? [Note that they haven't said "We will completely & utterly scrap the UK's nuclear deterrent".]

And besides... Who would nuke us? Seriously? Surely the biggest nuclear threat against us at the moment is the threat of a terrorist nuclear attack, rather than an attack by a nation? You can't nuke terrorists in retaliation...

But if we were nuked, and we did not have our own nuclear deterrent anymore whatsoever (which isn't what is actually being proposed), then as we are a member of NATO & an ally of the US, the US would retaliate for us, as an attack on one NATO member is an attack on all.

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For me, it's their views on Europe that make the Lib Dems unelectable. I really don't want to be on the receiving end of a massive PR campaign, sponsored by a Lib Dem Government, aimed at persuading the UK to vote for the Euro in a referendum.

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Well, I think that Clegg came across best of the three, Cameron second and Brown a sore last.

Whilst i do not agree with some of Cleggs policies he did have some good ones on immigration - based upon those of Canada / Austrailia etc.

Cameron was full of good sound bytes but still came across well.

Brown was just on the back foot in my opinion.

But then again, they are all salesmen, make of that what you will, who will I vote for? Still undecided is my answer.

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ITV Poll says Clegg won by clear margin.

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ITV Overall winner: 43% for Clegg, 26% for Cameron, 20% Brown, 11% undecided.

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The Sun YouGov Poll:

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Sky poll reckons Brown did, though it doesn't make a huge amount of sense. Brown 35%, Clegg 33%, Cameron 32%. Loads of contradicting data elsewhere in the polls so I would hazard a guess it's due to lack of weighting on the poll.

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I just took the voting survey and I got a 4 way split of parties that I will not vote for in this election.

http://voteforpolicies.org.uk/survey.../4BC785654A8A4

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Fair dos, Clegg did do very well and Brown did very ... meh. However whether there's a big impact on the election or not, who knows? We will need to see the viewing figures to get some idea of how influential this has been.

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The ever-glamorous Emily Maitless is helping to dissect it all on Newsnight now.

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Well Clegg 'won' but Cameron has probably increased his led because of how bad Brown was. I expect to see bumps for both the Tories and Lib Dem.

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The Sky poll had Cameron at 53% at one point, dunno what's going on there.

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Gah Sorry corrected it now.

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I think the Sky poll was a minute-by-minute rolling moodometer thingy, going up and down as people voted during the debate.

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Kinda wish the poll for this week started on Thursday Evening. See if anyone changed.

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Good idea - maybe kick off week 3 at the end of next week's debate?

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Alan Johnson's making a complete arse of himself on Newsnight at the moment, valiantly claiming that Gord 'won' the debate 'on substance'.

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You know things are bad when they are trying to redefine the nature of winning...

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We could try that, but I think if this debate has made any deep, significant changes in people's views, then that will still be evident next Thursday morning. If we switch the poll just in time to catch the end of the next debate we may simply get knee-jerk reactions.

However - we could have a separate thread/poll, open for 24 hours or so, purely for people to indicate what they thought of the debate? Thoughts?

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I like this, your right that the polls in the aftermath of the debates might skew the results slightly. A debate topic and poll might be a good idea, as long as it doesn't become too confusing.

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Anyone else notice that Brown started answering the health question with his prepared spin on care of the elderly :)
Clegg clearly above the others but unfortunately unless we get a hung parliament and a forced change in the voting system, my vote will never be taken into consideration.

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Last thought before I nod off. I obviously support the Liberal Democrats and hence will say this; I thought Clegg won the debate. I think Cameron has improved his chances of getting a majority rather than a hung parliament.

I think the best moment was Brown's attempt to cosy up with Clegg and try and get them to team up against Cameron as friends of 'new politics', Clegg brushed this away and slammed Brown for not supporting such reforms before. He also did this to Cameron but it didn't hurt them as much because Cameron avoided presenting himself as a reformer in the way Brown tried to do and the Tories are not in power.

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It has Clegg on 41%, Brown on 32% and Cameron on 27% after 90 minutes.

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OK, head on over to this thread to vote on the debate:

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/20...bate-itv1.html

Please don't transfer your election discussion to that thread though, it's really only there to allow a poll on the debate to be run.

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Hmmmmm After watching the debate I have become for the first time more interested in the Lib Dems :shocked: However as an Ex Soldier I am very concerned about our Nuclear Deterrent. I firmly believe we need this and should keep it. Just googled to try and find out what their stance on this is and found this:-

Source:- http://network.libdems.org.uk/manife...2010_world.pdf

Unfortunately this don't answer whether we keep the old system :shrug:

More worrying is this part

Everything involving the Military and France is Historically doomed to Failure IMHO

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Johnson's always quite good at that IMO...

Well, they don't say anywhere "We will totally scrap the UK's nuclear deterrent". They say they rule out spending insane amounts of money on a like-for-like replacement for Trident, and they will "hold a full
defence review to establish the best alternative for Britain’s future
security."[/QUOTE]

http://www.libdems.org.uk/defence.aspx

http://www.libdems.org.uk/siteFiles/...%20Defence.pdf


http://network.libdems.org.uk/manife...festo_2010.pdf

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"Clegg smashes through two-party system"

Link

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I wasn't all that impressed with what nick clegg had to say and wasn't overly impressed with the other two either. I think the way the debate is structured is limiting way too much and it is all a little too scripted. My vote certainly hasn't changed since watching that debate and if i hear nick clegg banging on about being honest and being the only one doing it i think i will have a psychotic attack. Their manifesto is no better then the tories and both of them are better then the labour one but honesty come on nicky boy your not being all that honest because there are serious holes in your figures as well. For me right now there are only two parties in this election and it is the tories and lib dems but no way am i considering voting lib dem yet.

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Well, for me, I am starting to warm to Nick Clegg, he performed well, far better than he has in the House of Commons. I think he is likely bring the LibDems onto a firmer footing for this campaign. There does not seem to be much love lost between the LibDems and the Tories and if it came down to it. As the LibDems seem to have many policies which coincide with Labour principals, I can see them offering their support to Labour, if the need arises.