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Your freedom of choice, as with all services that are funded out of a compulsory charge determined by Parliament, is at the ballot box.

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Sorry i did not answer that question as i did not want to be seen to be taking this thread off topic.

However as you asked as well i don't go to museums as i find them boring, My loss but there you are. No doubt a list will not be produced until i say Yes i do that and then it will be " well that's why the BBC need your money" :LOL:

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Then in that case yes i hope the Tories kill of the tax on TVs

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Which brings us full circle. The BBC is at risk if a Tory government is elected.

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Then good let the election begin. :clap: :clap:

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Here, here.

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I love it when that happens. Makes my job easier. :D

I don't think it is at risk of destruction. It may be required to scale back its operations, but the BBC already acknowledges that some of its TV output may no longer be justifiable once digital switchover is complete, seeing as it was designed to drive digital take-up in the first place. BBC Three looks vulnerable, for example, as it is the most readily comparable to successful commercial alternatives like e4.

And, personally, I wouldn't believe any Labour politician who claims to know what the Tories 'plans' for the BBC are, just because they happened to tune in to the latest frothings of rent-a-quote fringe nutters like Daniel Hannan.

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Comparing the bbc to essential social services such as health, education, policing and benefits is just stupid take those away and the country quickly crumbles and we would all have bugger all. If the bbc disappeared tomorrow the country would still function perfectly well and all that would probably happen is more people finding out that actually the type of programs they enjoyed on the bbc are on plenty of other channels and in some cases better quality of those programs.

Really comparing the two is a desperate tactic by some supporters and simply isn't a valid comparison. As for you flyboy is this another thread where your going into anti tory fever as you do quite often. Your beloved labour party are on the way out and hopefully for a very long time and after everything they have done they truly deserve it.

Cameron has done no more then blair did before him and they all cosy upto whoever they think they have too in the runup to an election murdoch is of course someone to cosy upto given his media interests blair saw that and funnily enough it was ok for blair to do it but cameron does it oh my god it has to mean an imminent attack on the bbc how stupid.

Everything has to change and evolve and the bbc has had a lot of good years where it hasn't really had too but now the tide is turning and a lot of people find no problem in expressing their dissatisfaction with both the licence and the bbc.

Call me selfish if you want but i am all for choice in life as much as you can and the fact that we have no choice at all in regard to the bbc or our money going to it to me is wrong.

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maybe i am misunderstanding the article in the guardian http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010...olicy-exchange

but it says that the tories would want to abolish the BBC trust and replace it with a new body made up of people appointed by the government they would also be responsible for channel 4 it would be called the psc and would oversee the BBC and channel 4 .It doesn't however say that the BBC itself should be abolished nor the licence fee
If i have got this wrong then clarification would be appreciated

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May i, as one who couldnt care one iota who wins the next election just make a comment :mad: lets shoot all the tory idiots its all self self self i have never met a tory voter yet who i wouldn't love to kick straiight in the throat . Its time for a change though its just a shame that so many people think the sun is going to shine out of the multi millionaire camerons backside if that scheming policy on a stick manages to lie himself in.

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you show a strange way of not caring who wins the next election ;)

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If the BBC disappeared tomorrow we would lose a towering pillar of our culture. Nations are more than an army and a bunch of people living on a patch of land. Culture is a very important part of a civilization, it helps it progression, it's influence and respect amongst other nations and so on. So tax revenue is used to promote our culture. Just because you may not visit an art museum (I don't) doesn't mean it's not important and just as you don't watch the BBC doesn't mean it's not important.

National History = Best in the world
Documentaries = One of the Best in the World
BBC World Service = You can dismiss it all you like, it's respected world wide. Especially impoverished counties with little or no news organizations (or no free press).
Music = From BBC radio to BBC One. A lot of British acts get platforms they would not get on other channels.

The BBC is part of our culture, part of out history. It's a shame to lose it because people can watch Ross Kemp sort out some gangs on Sky 1.

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Jeeze Damien to think I can forgo the pleasure of the BBC's Being Human to watch Kemp go play at soldiers in Afghanistan.Something real journalists have been doing for the past 9 years and got little recognition for.

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So you want to shoot / kick in the throat the 4.2 million people who voted Conservative in the Euro elections, or is it the 8.8 million who voted Conservative in the 2005 UK elections?

Ah, the voice of reason.:erm:

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You could try, But you would fail just like the Labour party :LOL:

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Most people find the BNP a despicable group of bigots in my eyes they arent much different from the conservative party.Ooh best keep on topic :erm: this isnt correct thread

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It seems to me that the central plank of the argument against the BBC from those on this thread who are against it is that it doesn't produce stuff they want to watch or it produces stuff they don't like and therefore it should be got rid of.

I think my original statement about selfish intent was correct after all.

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I don't believe ANYONE when they say they don't watch ANY BBC programmes.I'm sure they do but they don't like paying the licence fee and so can't admit that there are some programmes they do watch.

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no ,i think it is the imposed fee that upsets most and the fact we have absolutely no chance of having a say either way , i have seen some compelling arguments on both sides of the licence fee coin but for me the most compelling is that it is now 2010 and with all the pay per view options available then there must be a better option for the BBC than taking 100% of a tax on tv's and 100% of all revenue from the world sevice totaling god knows how much but i bet it's a lot more than channel 4,5 and itv put together so if we don't have a choice about wether to have a BBC or not i would demand a first rate programming service from them and nothing less

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The fact that Rupert Murdoch hates the BBC, suggests it's not as bad as everyone makes out. In fact anything that thwarts Murdoch's plans for world domination, is good in my eyes. Plus, Doctor Who is on the BBC, which justifies my licence fee. And not to forget classics like the Office or Extras - not all BBC sitcoms are rubbish ;).

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It's the price of a bag of crisps each per day - OMG!

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That's still £142.50 per year. Which is a fair amount of money to a lot of people.

I don't mind paying it, I just dislike people quoting a per day figure to make something sound cheap. Incidentally, it would be interesting to know how much of the price of that bag of crisps goes towards the marketing spend on commercial television. :)

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It might be a little bit old but here goes:

• itv1 + GMTV 48.5p
• BBC ONE 35p
• Channel 4 18.7p
• Sat and cable 16.8p
• BBC TWO 12p
• five 7.7p
• BBC THREE 2.5p
• BBC FOUR 1.3p
• S4C 0.3p

That's per person per week, so ITV costs you more and that's funded by you regardless of if you own a TV or not.

http://www.transdiffusion.org/emc/th...ramme/cost.php

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Going back to the original question, apart from some on the far right of the Tory party I believe the majority of the party however begrudgingly, want the BBC to survive.
One point I'd like to mention is that the anti-BBC posters claim we can choose to watch these programs on other channels, well where are the likes of "Blue Planet" and "Cranford"? Channels like Sky just cannot afford to make such quality documentaries
and costume drama like the BBC does.
As mentioned earlier there are plenty of things we all pay for but some of us rather wouldn't, its precisely this principle that makes for a decent society.
Also at a guess I'd say that outside of the Labour and Tory leadership, there wouldn't be a long line of MP's willing to do Murdoch a favour, irrespective of which party they belong to...they are all well aware Murdoch's loyalty changes with the wind.

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Shown by the swapping from supporting Labour in the last three elections when they supported the Tories before that and have now switched back to the Tories.

I personally would rather my news came from someone who wasn't so fickle and prone to cronyism when it suits their pocket.In fact I'd rather there were no media moguls trying to influence the politicians/politics and electorate of my country.

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I think that that the government controls the BBC, and the most outrageous things is, that disgraceful licence fee that we have to pay.

If other TV channels advertise for revenue, then why can't the Beeb, They started up these digital channels, so therefore they should advertise on them, Over the years l have delivered many time to the 'old' studios, thenit developed into the major large one on the A40, and they have two across the road, if they cannot afford to run the digital channels, they should close these buildings down, and not expect the public to subsidise them, especially when they paid 100.00 pounds for those silly hippos to swim aroung to join a circle, any kid from a play school could have done that for a can of pop and a mars bar.

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I think it cost more than a hundred pounds. ;)

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go for it arthur:D:D

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That's our Arthur, never lets the facts get in the way of a good rant. :D

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Riiiiggghhhttt!:Sprint:

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Good old Arthur - you must have had a good night.;)

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I suspect Arfur can't find anything to watch yet again...;)

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Yes, why can't the BBC produce programmes like 'Allo 'Allo, The Good Old Days, The Good Life, Fawlty Towers, Hancock's Half-Hour, Dad's Army, Are You Being Served?

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Don't forget those Shakesperian classics "Till death us do part" and "In Sickness and in Health".

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Ah yes, but still more "cerebral" than ITV's "Love thy Neighbour".;)

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I'm not the typical TV viewer, I spent a few years without a television because quite frankly I found there is a lack of programmes that interest me on all terrestial channels including the BBC.

I have recently cancelled my sky subscription, I would always head for the discovery channels to watch documentaries about war, crime and ones of a civil or mechanical engineering content. (Note: I am certainly not a Top Gear fan)

After 12 months back as a TV viewer in my own house I became very bored with it, and the it's over a month since my sky has been switched off. I'm not missing it at all, but I guess for people who like such as Eastenders, Emmerdale, I'm a celebrity, Big Brother, X factor, ballroom dancing, cooking and all the other associated reality TV crap, I guess it's something they cannot do without.

I say if something is so good why are people worried about taking away the licence fee. If the BBC is truly that good people will pay a subscription to watch it. I believe the BBC would be scared of relying on a viewer subscription to justify their programming.

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How do you feel about the fact that you're still paying ITV, Sky, Channel 4, FIVE and Virgin even though you don't make use of broadcast TV?

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From a personally selfish point of view, I would like to be charged per program for what I watch. This would also include any programming from BBC.

So to answer your question I am not happy about paying for anything I do not use. The whole idea of chipping in and paying for other peoples pleasure is not something I agree with. The whole idea appears to be a little Communist in my view, I guess that's why it gains more support from the Labour party.

It does make me wonder why we have internet paid for by the minute PAYG or a monthly allowance on contract, and the same system for mobile phones.

I believe we should have a sensible approach where the amount you watch is reflected in the amount you pay. Perhaps TV is too cheap, that's why parents sit their kids in front of the TV because it's an easy option.

Why can't the same PAYG system be applied to TV?

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because the BBC ,channel 4,5 and itv have a public service broardcasting commitment they have to cover programs such as ,news ,childrens tv and religious programs these types of program are deemed to be educational and used as a medium to pass information on to the general public .
This is under review at the moment ,hence this thread ,and what is proposed is that channel 5 and itv be allowed to opt out and keep the PSB status of the BBC and channel 4
other options are for the government to sell channel 4 or allow a merger with 4 and 5 while releasing all terestrial channels incuding the BBC to be released from their psb obligations
so you see that having a payg system for all channels will limit peoples access to the news and education programs .I think that their should be at least one channel that has to have this psb commitment for everyone in the country

full details of the proposal here http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010...olicy-exchange

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I did actually consider the importance of education and news as I was posting. I agree that news and children's educational programmes should be freely available, although these do not necessarily need to be a separate channel but could be free to view during those periods.

I would not pretend to have the answer, but I feel the current system is not fair for all viewers. I'm not sure if I want to look at a Guardian link.;)

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i agree that it isn't fair for all users and i wouldn't want to dismiss payg tv out of hand because that may very well be the way tv goes in future years ,but at the moment with digital tv in it's infancy (i think it's fair to say that)i think the stability of the BBC should be maintained in a very volatile and commercial market

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One only has to take a look how the communists/dictatorships/fascists governments used TV for propaganda to see that putting all eggs in one basket is not a good idea.

So we need a way in which there is free public broadcasting that can be independent from too much government control(and other unvoted for influences) whilst giving some other viable free market choices which are also hopefully independent of political influence.

Maybe we should be making a clear distinction between entertainment and a free press here?

What I'm truly wanting is a free source of independent information that is available to all,that we can all trust to gives us the truth without interference/influence from any present government or influence from commercial interests.I'm thinking in the latter case how certain commercial interests withdrew their sponsorship from Tiger Woods because of his 'affairs'.Add that kind of puritanical attitude/influence to any TV or news outlet and how much independence does commercial TV still retain?

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Exactly Daniel but it seems it's alright for their viewing to be subsidised by the likes of me and that's without even going into the impact commercial channels would take if the BBC went advert based, their out put's would drop considerably and quite a few would go to the wall altogether, still that's alright, £3 a week richer but there's bugger all on telly....

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I assume then that you prefer to view programming that only everybody wants to watch.

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Well lets put it this way, we pay a lot of money for a second rate UK Gold, and that is all the BBC are, repeats each and every week, and over Xmas, it was reported in several papers, that there was 98% repeats. over the festive period.

I have done work at the BBC over several years, and the amount of waste is unbelieveable, and the champagne they buy is disgusting, and we pay for that.

It is a goodjob l don't run that company, l would sack all the pen pushers, and spend the money on new programmes, as they are good at that, but there again, but we have to go back as far as 'The Good old Days' for the good shows.

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For once Arthur, I actually agree with you! :D

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Which newspapers would that have been? Were all these repeats on the BBC?

So, just like any other large corporation.

Never a truer word has been written on this forum.