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Bricktop 03-01-2010 16:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SMG (Post 34938102)
http://www.islam4uk.com/current-affa...in-afghanistan


Complete & utter Religious & political crap, peddled by brainwashed morons, possibly sponsored by Al-Qaeda.

:dunce::dunce::dunce::dunce:

I hope that website gets hacked. Would be a laugh to see the Danish cartoons added by the hacker.

SMG 03-01-2010 17:30

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Originally Posted by Bricktop (Post 34938118)
I hope that website gets hacked. Would be a laugh to see the Danish cartoons added by the hacker.


That would just lead some no hoper to take a pop at him.

Papa sent me a note to say the link was dead. It was working when I posted it, but now, its dead. Click on Sirius`s shortcut instead, thats working.

Strange though!

Sirius 03-01-2010 17:52

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Posted again for those that need it.

http://www.islam4uk.com/current-affa...in-afghanistan

Damien 03-01-2010 18:25

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Originally Posted by webcrawler2050 (Post 34938006)
Agreed. They chose Bassett for a reason! We all know the reason! I am going to stay out of Swindon, if this happens

The same reason the 'British Defense League' choose to match against Islam in areas populated by Muslims. Few on here objected.

Ignitionnet 03-01-2010 18:28

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I admire their honesty:

Quote:

Our Aim:

Our aim is simple: Izhaar ud Deen (Domination of Al-Islam worldwide).

As submitters to Almighty God we wish to establish His Sharee'ah (Divine Law) on the earth for He has said in the Qur'an:

[EMQ 5: 45] "Those who rule by other than what Allah (SWT) has revealed are the oppressors."

Subsequently, living in Britain we target to convince the British public about the superiority of Islam and expose the fallacies of man-made law, thereby changing public opinion in favour of Islam in order to transfer the authority and power (from those with authority and power) to the Muslims in order to implement the Sharee'ah (here in Britain).
That's about all I admire. I curse those do-gooders in the various levels of our Government who are letting it happen a little at a time.

Frankly if they have as much disdain for the British way of life as this suggests and hate the same democracy that allows them freedom of speech as much as this suggests the hypocrites can take a hike.

papa smurf 03-01-2010 19:00

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Originally Posted by Broadbandings (Post 34938209)
I admire their honesty:



That's about all I admire. I curse those do-gooders in the various levels of our Government who are letting it happen a little at a time.

Frankly if they have as much disdain for the British way of life as this suggests and hate the same democracy that allows them freedom of speech as much as this suggests the hypocrites can take a hike.

well i suppose as an atheist i'll be dangling from the back of a hiab when they take over , still thats preferable to actually joining them .

Sirius 03-01-2010 20:53

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 34938230)
well i suppose as an atheist i'll be dangling from the back of a hiab when they take over , still thats preferable to actually joining them .

Me and you together then :)

SMG 03-01-2010 21:07

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Make that 3!

Earl of Bronze 03-01-2010 21:09

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I'd say make that 4, but they'd never take me alive, and it'd be sure to slot as many as possible before checking out. ;)

papa smurf 03-01-2010 21:09

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my fist neck tie party --:bigcry: i'm welling up

Bricktop 03-01-2010 22:09

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http://www.wiltshire.police.uk/index...news&Itemid=50

Stutz 03-01-2010 22:33

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Good legal point Bricktop but did they have that permission in Luton not so long ago. After all, it was their protest. Lets face the facts; It is now an offence to offend another religion in the UK. Certain parts of the UK cannot celebrate Christmas for fear of offending others. It is considered an insult to preach Christianity in some areas now. Time we got a government to stand up for OUR way of life, not the interlopers that want to change us. What next; Sharia law.

Gary L 03-01-2010 23:18

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Originally Posted by Bricktop (Post 34938401)

I don't think they have any intention of doing the march. same as they won't be sending the letters to the families of British soldiers.
the letter published on their site is as far as it goes.

Maggy 03-01-2010 23:49

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Originally Posted by Stutz (Post 34938414)
Good legal point Bricktop but did they have that permission in Luton not so long ago. After all, it was their protest. Lets face the facts; It is now an offence to offend another religion in the UK. Certain parts of the UK cannot celebrate Christmas for fear of offending others. It is considered an insult to preach Christianity in some areas now. Time we got a government to stand up for OUR way of life, not the interlopers that want to change us. What next; Sharia law.

With all due respect most of that is down to over zealous local council workers.Complain in enough numbers to your local councillor and he/she will soon be pushing such nonsense aside especially if it's re-election time.;)

frogstamper 04-01-2010 00:15

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Originally Posted by Stutz
Certain parts of the UK cannot celebrate Christmas for fear of offending others. It is considered an insult to preach Christianity in some areas now.

Is this the other side of the coin to the Islamic nutters dopey propaganda?
If this is the level of argument being bandied around I fear for us all, if we want to oppose these morons being lead by the traitor Choudry we have to stick to facts to win the argument...not fantasy.

RizzyKing 04-01-2010 09:53

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While i cannot stand the nutjobs in any religion please lets not represent all believers as part of the lunatic side of it. Also belief in any of the religions is not a threat to our way of life unless we completely allow it government doesn't make a way of life the people of any given country do. I am all for standing up for what is right but i will not take part in any witchhunt against a single religion\race or culture because of a few idiots that may belong to one.

Stutz 04-01-2010 10:04

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I'm afraid these are facts.


http://www.jihadwatch.org/2005/11/uk-local-council-bans-christmas-lights-for-fear-of-offending-muslims.html[/URL]

Not fantasy.

Like Maggy says, over zealous councils.

buckleb 04-01-2010 10:20

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Originally Posted by Stutz (Post 34938551)
I'm afraid these are facts.


http://www.jihadwatch.org/2005/11/uk-local-council-bans-christmas-lights-for-fear-of-offending-muslims.html[/URL]

Not fantasy.

Like Maggy says, over zealous councils.

From the referenced article
Quote:

Officials are proposing to cut the lights grants to £5,000 next year and to stop them altogether by 2007. The report is due to go before councillors on Thursday.

“This is just another example of political correctness gone mad,” said Sue Allen, chairman of the local lights committee. “I was a bit surprised about the wording of the report. However, I can understand why the council is doing this and I believe there are more worthy causes in the district who deserve the money.

“It will just mean that we will have to work harder to raise funds for the Christmas lights in the future.”

Mark Bee, the council leader, yesterday insisted that the wording of the proposal had been drawn up by officials and said the change was being proposed solely on economic grounds.

“I consider the wording of the document unfortunate and I will be taking it up with the officer on Monday,” said Bee. “I do not see the reason for this as one of equality and diversity. It is one of economics.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...icle587134.ece
As mentioned above, fantasy news can only cause so much outrage before it becomes self-defeating. Focussing on facts, rather than half-truths would be altogether more helpful.

Hugh 04-01-2010 10:24

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Originally Posted by Stutz (Post 34938551)
I'm afraid these are facts.


http://www.jihadwatch.org/2005/11/uk-local-council-bans-christmas-lights-for-fear-of-offending-muslims.html[/URL]

Not fantasy.

Like Maggy says, over zealous councils.

Fact - something that happened.

Daily Mail/Telegraph reports - interpretation of something to provide worst possible case scenario.

Mail
Quote:

it was revealed that Waveney Council in Suffolk could stop grants for Christmas lights in towns and villages because of fears they might offend non-Christians.
And, in fact, the Council (Tory) leader stated in the Times
Quote:

Mark Bee, the council leader, yesterday insisted that the wording of the proposal had been drawn up by officials and said the change was being proposed solely on economic grounds.
“I consider the wording of the document unfortunate and I will be taking it up with the officer on Monday,” said Bee. “I do not see the reason for this as one of equality and diversity. It is one of economics.
“I am a practising Christian and attend church and feel that religion of all forms is something that should be embraced."
btw, the Christmas lights appear still to be shining brightly there Waveney 2009 and again

Stutz 04-01-2010 10:41

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Fair comment. I just hope as Gary L suggests this march will not go ahead and common sense will prevail.

Damien 04-01-2010 11:19

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I don't see on what grounds the march should be stopped to be honest. Non-violent, and they are entitled to free speech.

Osem 04-01-2010 11:46

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These idiots are far less interested in marching, carrying coffins, on a very cold day in winter than they are in generating the sort of media coverage, anger and tension they've succeeded in stirring up. The news producers and editors of the UK would be doing us all a very great favour if they just ignored this pathetic group and their outpourings.

Hugh 04-01-2010 13:05

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 34938570)
These idiots are far less interested in marching, carrying coffins, on a very cold day in winter than they are in generating the sort of media coverage, anger and tension they've succeeded in stirring up. The news producers and editors of the UK would be doing us all a very great favour if they just ignored this pathetic group and their outpourings.

:gpoint::clap::clap:

Russ 04-01-2010 13:46

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34938566)
I don't see on what grounds the march should be stopped to be honest. Non-violent, and they are entitled to free speech.

The grounds are they have opinions and views that most people in the Uk disagree with.

SMG 04-01-2010 13:55

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34938621)
The grounds are they have opinions and views that most people in the Uk disagree with.


I dont think for one moment this march will go ahead. If it does, there is a lot of opposition out there, & a lot of people & organisations prepared to stand against it.

This must be nipped in the bud before the opposition becomes too organised.

Russ 04-01-2010 14:03

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Originally Posted by SMG (Post 34938622)
I dont think for one moment this march will go ahead. If it does, there is a lot of opposition out there, & a lot of people & organisations prepared to stand against it.

This must be nipped in the bud before the opposition becomes too organised.

If the BNP are permitted to march and protest then these knuckleheads must be allowed to as well.

Arthurgray50@blu 04-01-2010 14:42

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There will be blood spilt over this, as squaddies won't allow this, as if this is allowed to go ahead, then will be almost certainly aggro, you will have the police involved and they will protect the demonstrators - thats a certainty, and why on earth has Sky News allowed that Choudary on tv to say what he wants to say, that is totally unbeliebeble, and yet WE pay his benefits, this should be stopped.

RizzyKing 04-01-2010 14:50

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Damien this should be stopped because somethings are just gauranteed to get violent and in this case will gain support for the likes of the bnp and suchlike so two damn good reasons to not allow this. Also honestly tell me you believe this is anything more then complete provacation from this group as marching through wootton bassett is nothing to do with policy and is politicising somewhere that has worked so hard to stay non political. Just because we are a democracy doesn't mean every malcontent has a right to do what they like and democracy comes with responsibility none of which is being shown here by these people.

Thats putting aside the fact that this group isn't just looking to march they are making statements about events they have no idea about as they are all from the UK no doubt many on benefits so what right do they have to PRETEND to know how our service people have been or are acting.

Damien 04-01-2010 14:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 34938636)
Damien this should be stopped because somethings are just gauranteed to get violent and in this case will gain support for the likes of the bnp and suchlike so two damn good reasons to not allow this. Also honestly tell me you believe this is anything more then complete provacation from this group as marching through wootton bassett is nothing to do with policy and is politicising somewhere that has worked so hard to stay non political. Just because we are a democracy doesn't mean every malcontent has a right to do what they like and democracy comes with responsibility none of which is being shown here by these people.

Thats putting aside the fact that this group isn't just looking to march they are making statements about events they have no idea about as they are all from the UK no doubt many on benefits so what right do they have to PRETEND to know how our service people have been or are acting.

Well as people on the very forum reminded us for the BNP on question time, and English Defence League marches. That is the fault of the people who react. It seems the BNP are allowed to say what they want and this group are not...

papa smurf 04-01-2010 16:04

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here is an update on good old andys planed march .




The hate preacher organising a march of Islamic extremists through the streets of Wootton Bassett sparked outrage today by comparing British troops fighting in Afghanistan to Nazi stormtroopers.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz0bfEZctW1

TheDaddy 04-01-2010 16:26

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 34937304)
has there been any condemnation from the muslim community or are they going to sit back and do/say nothing

Oh look condemnation from Muslims agaisnt the march, in the Mail as well

Shahid Murasaleen, from the moderate Muslim group Minhajul-Quran International UK, said: 'Extremists like these always claim to speak for Islam and British Muslims yet they are not qualified to do either. This march will achieve nothing other than to incite hate crime against innocent law-abiding Muslims.'

Pity that decent, normal people are called moderates imo lets call a spade a spade, Choudry is a nut and terrorist sympathiser, he represents no one but criminals.

---------- Post added at 17:26 ---------- Previous post was at 17:24 ----------

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34938566)
I don't see on what grounds the march should be stopped to be honest. Non-violent, and they are entitled to free speech.

How about due to public saftey, I doubt the police will allow it, who wants a riot so a nut like him can score a few political points and upset a lot of people

papa smurf 04-01-2010 16:44

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andy speaks to sky news

http://video.news.sky.com/skynews/vi...NTV-040110.flv

rogerdraig 04-01-2010 17:03

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this another one where the press just make things worse

( as i got shouted at for saying my family last time ;) i will say it different this time )

our fathers / mothers grandfathers and grandmothers fought a couple of wars to ensure we can march and shout about almost anything we want

this could be better handled either by ( if its really offensively done ) by no one turning up or just walking away from what ever route they chose

or adding in another march for all victims of what ever war terrorist attack or civil disturbance or government killings of demonstrators ( some Muslims in there in Iran ;) ) if they are a peaceful march they could hardly object and would at the same time diminish any overtly offensive message they may be trying to give out

moaning and shouting about it really justs adds to the affect they most likely were after doing the job for them

papa smurf 04-01-2010 17:14

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At least two thirds of our miseries spring from human stupidity, human malice and those great motivators and justifiers of malice and stupidity, idealism, dogmatism and proselytizing zeal on behalf of religious or political idols.

Aldous Huxley:

Escapee 04-01-2010 17:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34938642)
Well as people on the very forum reminded us for the BNP on question time, and English Defence League marches. That is the fault of the people who react. It seems the BNP are allowed to say what they want and this group are not...

Ah yes, the BNP on question time. What sticks most in my memory about that is the violent Anti Fascist demonstrators outside the BBC.

I think both sides leave a lot to be desired.

On another point, has anyone seen the Youtube footage of the Islamic march in Newport last week?

It was very interesting to see the police officer stopping the filming of the march after the request of a muslim marcher. The officer could not give the reason to stop the filming, and appeared to be very confused. But she did exactly what the muslim woman asked her to do.

Russ 04-01-2010 17:38

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Originally Posted by Escapee (Post 34938701)
Ah yes, the BNP on question time. What sticks most in my memory about that is the violent Anti Fascist demonstrators.

None of them were violent at the Swansea march whereas the BNP supporters were being very intimidating.

Escapee 04-01-2010 17:43

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34938703)
None of them were violent at the Swansea march whereas the BNP supporters were being very intimidating.

I didn't see large coverage of the Swansea event, but the Youtube footage appeared to be nothing more than shouting insults. (I appreciate you provided a report)

I was just pointing out that, it is not just the BNP that are violent. People tend to ignore the actions of groups that claim to be on the 'good' side.

Arthurgray50@blu 04-01-2010 17:44

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who says the BNP are going to get involed in thing shocjing business,.

Hugh 04-01-2010 17:45

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 34938708)
who says the BNP are going to get involed in thing shocjing business,.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...010/01/132.jpg

Russ 04-01-2010 17:52

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Originally Posted by Escapee (Post 34938706)
I didn't see large coverage of the Swansea event, but the Youtube footage appeared to be nothing more than shouting insults. (I appreciate you provided a report)

I was just pointing out that, it is not just the BNP that are violent. People tend to ignore the actions of groups that claim to be on the 'good' side.

I don't know about other protests and demos but at the Swansea event none of the AF people were violent or intimidating. Plenty of shouting and "down with the BNP" types chants but that was it.

The BNP people simply lived up to the shaven headed thug image. Loads of "come and have a go then" type confrontations, Nazi salutes and general nastiness.

Don't know if it's different at other BNP marches but I don't see why it would be.

papa smurf 04-01-2010 17:58

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34938712)
I don't know about other protests and demos but at the Swansea event none of the AF people were violent or intimidating. Plenty of shouting and "down with the BNP" types chants but that was it.

The BNP people simply lived up to the shaven headed thug image. Loads of "come and have a go then" type confrontations, Nazi salutes and general nastiness.

Don't know if it's different at other BNP marches but I don't see why it would be.

note to self shaven head = thug

SMG 04-01-2010 18:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34938626)
If the BNP are permitted to march and protest then these knuckleheads must be allowed to as well.


I have no knowledge about BNP matters Russ. However, if they, or any other organisation oppose this march, then they would, perhaps unfortunately, become allies.

I have contacts in & out of the Army, who openly state they will use force to stop this march. To me, & most ex-forces, this is a slap in the face, a put down by some of the very ideals we have fought against. People will not stand by & watch. To allow this march would be nothing less than an incitement to riot.

Feelings are running very, very high & things are quickly getting out of hand. From what I hear, I very much doubt the Police would be able to stop the violence, should this march be allowed.

I have said so many times in the past, civil war is looming in Britain. People will only stand so much, we are constantly being forced to pander to the whims of the minority. Mainly, the Muslim organisations & clerics, who purport to speak for Islam.

martyh 04-01-2010 18:21

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has the application even been submitted yet ? the last i heard a couple of days ago he hadn't recieved one and strongly doubted that he would given the past history of the group ,but if he has then he should be able to make the descision one way or the other to defuse the situation because i can see this spreading outside of Wooten Bassett

Russ 04-01-2010 18:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 34938717)
note to self shaven head = thug

Read the next line after the part you highlighted.

Raistlin 04-01-2010 18:30

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If our servicemen and ex-servicemen choose to use violence to disrupt this march then they will be no better than those violent extremists that they are trying to disrupt, and will do the cause of those extremists more good than harm.

SMG 04-01-2010 18:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob M (Post 34938737)
If our servicemen and ex-servicemen choose to use violence to disrupt this march then they will be no better than those violent extremists that they are trying to disrupt, and will do the cause of those extremists more good than harm.


Rubbish.

Russ 04-01-2010 19:10

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Originally Posted by SMG (Post 34938754)
Rubbish.

That's right. 'Our boys' are permitted to have double standards.

Sirius 04-01-2010 19:18

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Originally Posted by SMG (Post 34938754)
Rubbish.

Agreed

I was waiting for this to turn. Our boys don't need to go i am sure there is enough people ready to go in there place.

Our boys coming home from abroad should not have to see religious fanatics parading through a town which has been saluting our lads since the war began. I for one would will be more than willing to go to that town when this parade is on to make sure my disgust at these religious fanatics is noted.

Damien 04-01-2010 19:20

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I think some of the last few posts have highlighted the double standards of the some people in the British public. It's ok for servicemen to use violence against protesters? Im sorry but that's rubbish. I hope any member of the armed forces who uses violence to stop someone's right to protest, however much I disagree with that protest, is taken to court and kicked out of the army.

martyh 04-01-2010 19:21

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Originally Posted by SMG (Post 34938754)
Rubbish.


IF the march takes place ,and IF "our boys" retaliate with violence or indeed any group retaliates with violence then we might as well hand Great Britain over on a plate with a cherry on top .Any violent reaction is exactly what they want it will give them enough ammo to make a mockery of our so called better democracy wich we profess to hold so dearly .It's double standards like those that make us a laughing stock

papa smurf 04-01-2010 19:22

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well if these Muslim extremists and the bnp meet in wooton why not just leave them to get on with it ,they can wipe each other out and save us all a load of grief .
it would be preferable though if they picked some where else to do battle like empty moorland .
i personally wouldn't loose any sleep if andy got a pasting .

Russ 04-01-2010 19:27

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34938781)
I think some of the last few posts have highlighted the double standards of the some people in the British public. It's ok for servicemen to use violence against protesters? Im sorry but that's rubbish. I hope any member of the armed forces who uses violence to stop someone's right to protest, however much I disagree with that protest, is taken to court and kicked out of the army.

:clap:

Agreed - being a UK soldier does not entitle you to commit acts of violence against those who disgaree with their job. I know that part of a soldier's training is to be ballsy but anyone to commits violence against another who disagrees with their views should be thrown in jail, muslim nutter, BNP thug or British soldier.

budwieser 04-01-2010 19:30

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I agree but, They want to stage this march as a point of extreme provocation. Let them march and take the consequences, they know what they`re doing.

Sirius 04-01-2010 19:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34938781)
I think some of the last few posts have highlighted the double standards of the some people in the British public. It's ok for servicemen to use violence against protesters? Im sorry but that's rubbish. I hope any member of the armed forces who uses violence to stop someone's right to protest, however much I disagree with that protest, is taken to court and kicked out of the army.

Having been in the forces i know you always support your buddy not matter what. This will be seen as an attack on members of the services and i for one don't give a flying wotsit what you think. You can rap this up all you want but if this parade goes ahead i will if i have my way head down there to support the lads in the forces.

This just shows up those that will allow this country to be walked on . This is the attitude i expect from the liberals and is why we must never allow the liberals in to power and any where near our armed forces because they will not support them.

---------- Post added at 20:31 ---------- Previous post was at 20:31 ----------

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Originally Posted by budwieser (Post 34938798)
I agree but, They want to stage this march as a point of extreme provocation. Let them march and take the consequences, they know what they`re doing.

:clap:

Arthurgray50@blu 04-01-2010 19:31

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What we have here, is that we have extremist who want to see violence in a small town of Wooton, where the residents, who are giving our deceased soldiers back from the battlefield the honour they deserve for giving people freedom, and these extremist are determined to prove a point which is sick, and they should NOT be allowed to cause any problems whatsoever. Problem is that if someone assualts one of them - it will be them that gets arrested.

Sirius 04-01-2010 19:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 34938802)
What we have here, is that we have extremist who want to see violence in a small town of Wooton, where the residents, who are giving our deceased soldiers back from the battlefield the honour they deserve for giving people freedom, and these extremist are determined to prove a point which is sick, and they should NOT be allowed to cause any problems whatsoever. Problem is that if someone assualts one of them - it will be them that gets arrested.

No one needs to assault any one you just block all the entry points in to the town

Russ 04-01-2010 19:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 34938800)
Having been in the forces i know you always support your buddy not matter what. This will be seen as an attack on members of the services and i for one don't give a flying wotsit what you think. You can rap this up all you want but if this parade goes ahead i will if i have my way head down there to support the lads in the forces.

So beat up anyone who disagrees with what the army is doing? I'm sure several theird-world dictators have that idea.

Sirius 04-01-2010 19:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34938810)
So beat up anyone who disagrees with what the army is doing? I'm sure several theird-world dictators have that idea.

Please post where i have said beat up someone ? I said support them

Being ex forces i know what it means to support some one and you never forget that bond or walk away from it.

I see this as an attack on our lads in the forces, Thankfully it looks like Brown has more balls than some here.

Russ 04-01-2010 19:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 34938811)
Please post where i have said beat up someone ? I said support them

It's what seems to be implied in recent posts. I've got all the respect in the world for the forces, I've always said they're true heroes. But it seems like people are not permitted to oppose them. Don't get me wrong, I'm against this proposed march by the muslims but that's what we get when we live in democracy. We allow the voice of those even who we dislike.

devilincarnate 04-01-2010 19:43

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I have got a better idea , let them have there march but make them have it 30 miles east of HULL !

Sirius 04-01-2010 19:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34938816)
It's what seems to be implied in recent posts. I've got all the respect in the world for the forces, I've always said they're true heroes. But it seems like people are not permitted to oppose them. Don't get me wrong, I'm against this proposed march by the muslims but that's what we get when we live in democracy. We allow the voice of those even who we dislike.

And i have not said to attack anyone. I want them blocked from entering the town by blocking the roads in with as many people as possible. The only way they will have then is to leave or force there way in and that will leave them open to arrest if they start getting nasty

martyh 04-01-2010 19:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 34938811)
Please post where i have said beat up someone ? I said support them

Being ex forces i know what it means to support some one and you never forget that bond or walk away from it.

I see this as an attack on our lads in the forces, Thankfully it looks like Brown has more balls than some here.


well you agreed with SMG's assesment of RobM's post so i would say you advocate the use of violence

and being ex-forces myself i know what it means to support your fellow soldiers and showing violent intent to a hopefully peacfull march ,however much in bad taste is NOT what i was taught .You have to remember that they are soldiers of Great Britain not a bunch of mecenaries .Any violent reaction by any member of the armed forces will only lose respect for them

Damien 04-01-2010 19:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 34938811)
Please post where i have said beat up someone ? I said support them

SMG said that he knew people in the armed forces who 'openly state they will use force to stop this march'. When Russ correctly pointed out that this was wrong and makes them no better you agreed with SMG's assertion that it was 'rubbish'.

Anyone who uses force against (peaceful) protesters is a criminal. Being a member of the armed forces does not allow you any immunity of the laws of the country and it doesn't give you the right to attack those who disagree with you.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 34938800)
Having been in the forces i know you always support your buddy not matter what. This will be seen as an attack on members of the services and i for one don't give a flying wotsit what you think. You can rap this up all you want but if this parade goes ahead i will if i have my way head down there to support the lads in the forces.

You may not care what I think but the armed forces represent this country, a free country in which the right to protest is valued. It is an aspect which the armed forces protect and the protection of our freedoms is why people support them. It is not a de-facto respect which is granted by virtue of putting on a uniform, it's what that uniform represents. Any member of the armed forces who attacks the protesters is not worthy of any respect what so ever.

The protesters have a right to march, but people should ignore them. Don't give platforms to fascists but you have to let them speak.

Sirius 04-01-2010 19:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 34938828)
well you agreed with SMG's assesment of RobM's post so i would say you advocate the use of violence

and being ex-forces myself i know what it means to support your fellow soldiers and showing violent intent to a hopefully peacfull march ,however much in bad taste is NOT what i was taught .You have to remember that they are soldiers of Great Britain not a bunch of mecenaries .Any violent reaction by any member of the armed forces will only lose respect for them

I am getting bored repeating myself so i will just quote myself shall i

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 34938821)
And i have not said to attack anyone. I want them blocked from entering the town by blocking the roads in with as many people as possible. The only way they will have then is to leave or force there way in and that will leave them open to arrest if they start getting nasty

And just to make a point
Quote:

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 34938828)
so i would say you advocate the use of violence

Your wrong. simples !

devilincarnate 04-01-2010 20:00

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The home secretary has said he will back any request from police or local government to ban a radical Islamic group marching through Wootton Bassett.

full story here :

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/w...re/8440408.stm

Damien 04-01-2010 20:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 34938821)
And i have not said to attack anyone. I want them blocked from entering the town by blocking the roads in with as many people as possible. The only way they will have then is to leave or force there way in and that will leave them open to arrest if they start getting nasty

Well we are reacting to SMG saying members of the armed forces where telling him they would use violence to stop the march. You seemed to take issue with us doing so.

Sirius 04-01-2010 20:06

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34938842)
Well we are reacting to SMG saying members of the armed forces where telling him they would use violence to stop the march. You seemed to take issue with us doing so.

No i am taking issue with those that think we should role over and allow them to do as they please. Its what i have come to expect of the bleeding heart liberals who would sell us down the road instead of standing up to what is right

Its not going to happen anyway because Brown has a pair by the looks of it and hopefully will make sure this does not happen.

martyh 04-01-2010 20:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 34938833)
I am getting bored repeating myself so i will just quote myself shall i



And just to make a point


Your wrong. simples !



post 148 your post were you have agreed with SMG ...simples

Russ 04-01-2010 20:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 34938844)
No i am taking issue with those that think we should role over and allow them to do as they please. Its what i have come to expect of the bleeding heart liberals who would sell us down the road instead of standing up to what is right

No-one is saying they should be able to do what they like. What I and others are saying is they should be allowed to exercise their democratic right.

Hugh 04-01-2010 20:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by devilincarnate (Post 34938838)
The home secretary has said he will back any request from police or local government to ban a radical Islamic group marching through Wootton Bassett.

full story here :

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/w...re/8440408.stm

I find myself in a dilemma - I think what these marchers are proposing is abhorrent, and it turns my stomach that they could subvert what the good people of Wooton Bassett are doing to show respect to the fallen in Afghanistan, and I am pleased by what Alan Johnson is doing, but I am worried that this is the first step in banning anything that is unpopular/may cause problems (like BNP marches, EDL marches, Gay Giraffes against Genetically Modified Organisms protests, Fox Hunters against the Congestion Charge, etc, etc).

papa smurf 04-01-2010 20:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34938849)
No-one is saying they should be able to do what they like. What I and others are saying is they should be allowed to exercise their democratic right.

to preach hatred in the name of Islamic fundamentalism , this pillock supports osama bin laden , do you ?

Hugh 04-01-2010 20:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 34938851)
to preach hatred in the name of Islamic fundamentalism , this pillock supports osama bin laden , do you ?

Woooaah! - so supporting the right to free speech (no matter how abhorrent) is now like supporting terrorism?

Out of line.

Sirius 04-01-2010 20:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34938849)
No-one is saying they should be able to do what they like. What I and others are saying is they should be allowed to exercise their democratic right.

So what your saying is they should be allowed to march through the town,

So what happens if they decided to do that on a day where a poor soul is being repatriated considering that they will have to apply in advance for permission for there march what then.

Then when they have been allowed to do that Should they then be allowed to do this every time there is a repatriation ?

Where does it stop ????

anyone ??:??

Chris 04-01-2010 20:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 34938851)
to preach hatred in the name of Islamic fundamentalism , this pillock supports osama bin laden , do you ?

Bit of a crass and juvenile question, don't you think?

martyh 04-01-2010 20:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 34938844)
No i am taking issue with those that think we should role over and allow them to do as they please. Its what i have come to expect of the bleeding heart liberals who would sell us down the road instead of standing up to what is right

Its not going to happen anyway because Brown has a pair by the looks of it and hopefully will make sure this does not happen.




brown hasn't got a pair it's just election time and it's not his decision to make

and you are right a peaceful protest against the protest by non armed forces would be preferable to fighting in the streets ,they would get arrested and all of Wooton Bassetts' dignity would have gone also the muslim protesters would have still won

papa smurf 04-01-2010 20:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 34938856)
Bit of a crass and juvenile question, don't you think?

no chris i don't. i cant see why any British subject would want to give these people a platform to preach their hatred.

Hugh 04-01-2010 20:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 34938860)
no chris i don't. i cant see why any British subject would want to give these people a platform to preach their hatred.

Because we believe in the right of freedom of expression, not just the expression of the things we agree with - it's what differentiates us from tin-pot dictatorships.

I abhor what they are doing (just like I abhor what the BNP are doing), but part of the price of democracy is being upset by a-holes.

Chris 04-01-2010 20:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 34938860)
no chris i don't. i cant see why any British subject would want to give these people a platform to preach their hatred.

Maybe you can't, but it's quite another thing to then ask such a British person if they support Bin Laden. That's not sensible discussion, it's on the same level as playground name-calling.

martyh 04-01-2010 20:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 34938854)
So what your saying is they should be allowed to march through the town,


yes they should ,it's what all the soldiers who go through that village are fighting for ,others ,myself included don't agree with it but that's what freedom is

So what happens if they decided to do that on a day where a poor soul is being repatriated considering that they will have to apply in advance for permission for there march what then.

they have already said they won't protest on the day as a repatriation

Then when they have been allowed to do that Should they then be allowed to do this every time there is a repatriation ?

Where does it stop ????

anyone ??:??


like i have said in earlier posts i don't think they even applied for permission yet and probably won't given their past record

devilincarnate 04-01-2010 20:29

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I can see this thread going the same way as the march as if it is allowed to go on .

ALL OUT WAR !!!!!!

Damien 04-01-2010 20:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 34938854)
So what your saying is they should be allowed to march through the town,

So what happens if they decided to do that on a day where a poor soul is being repatriated considering that they will have to apply in advance for permission for there march what then.

Then when they have been allowed to do that Should they then be allowed to do this every time there is a repatriation ?

Where does it stop ????

anyone ??:??

It stops if people are violent. Where would it stop if we ban people we don't like? I don't like the BNP but, while I don't think they should be allowed on the BBC, I don't think we should ban their meetings, marches and so on.

SMG 04-01-2010 21:30

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I thought I would wait a while & see what reaction my previous post would have. Just to see who would start slagging the forces off if they joined this protest.

Serving members of the Armed Forces are not allowed to demonstrate. Should any member be on leave, they are free to travel anywhere they like.

Some of you seem to be expecting the Paras there, waiting for aggro. Get a grip. Moreover, start smelling the coffee. Every soldier has Parents, brothers, friends. Every regiment has an association, made up with ex servicemen & women.

Wootton Bassett has become the country's "Welcome home" for our fallen forces. This little town turns out to honour & respect these servicemen & women, we do not want a group of self appointed, petty Muslims to besmirch that final respect.

For some of you "Holier than thou" pacifists, you need to get a life, because outside your little world is a bigger one, & its not very nice.

I have made it clear in past posts, that I do not subscribe to the BNP, or any other radical faction, in any way, but if they oppose this march, then they will have allies.

Like I said earlier, I do not think this march will go ahead.


.

Gary L 04-01-2010 21:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by devilincarnate (Post 34938869)
I can see this thread going the same way as the march as if it is allowed to go on .

ALL OUT WAR !!!!!!

Don't worry, I'm here to calm us all down.

Let them have their march. don't oppose it. let's see what they're really about.
if it turns out that they're against the British as a whole, then we either kill them there and then, or we put them on a plane somewhere :)

Damien 04-01-2010 21:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SMG (Post 34938909)
I thought I would wait a while & see what reaction my previous post would have. Just to see who would start slagging the forces off if they joined this protest.

Nice Try. We are not slagging off the forces, we are raising issue with your statement:

Quote:

I have contacts in & out of the Army, who openly state they will use force to stop this march.
Because it's a free country and people have the right to protest without threats of violence. I thought this was something they were protecting?

Quote:

Serving members of the Armed Forces are not allowed to demonstrate. Should any member be on leave, they are free to travel anywhere they like.
I don't mind them protesting, I mind them using force on civilians protesting.

Quote:

Wootton Bassett has become the country's "Welcome home" for our fallen forces. This little town turns out to honour & respect these servicemen & women, we do not want a group of self appointed, petty Muslims to besmirch that final respect.
Nor do most of us, however it's a free country and we can't ban people who their freedoms unless it infringes on the safety of liberty of others.

Quote:

For some of you "Holier than thou" pacifists, you need to get a life, because outside your little world is a bigger one, & its not very nice.
How does this justify using force on protesters? It doesn't. Don't give the patronising speech attempting to belittle opposition on 'not having a life' or 'real world experence'. None of this relates to the facts of this case.

Quote:

I have made it clear in past posts, that I do not subscribe to the BNP, or any other radical faction, in any way, but if they oppose this march, then they will have allies.
Peacefully oppose then yes, forcefully oppose then no. If people violently attack these protesters they will face their day in court.

Earl of Bronze 04-01-2010 21:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34938816)
It's what seems to be implied in recent posts. I've got all the respect in the world for the forces, I've always said they're true heroes. But it seems like people are not permitted to oppose them. Don't get me wrong, I'm against this proposed march by the muslims but that's what we get when we live in democracy. We allow the voice of those even who we dislike.

And you miss the point entirely Russ....

The members of the armed forces know better than anyone else the true value of freedom.... Its measured in men and womens blood, spilled by those in the services and civilians. If these bottom-dwelling asshats had chosen to have their sad little parade anywhere else in the country, most squaddies would have curled their lip in contempt/ Then gotten on with the job. Instead, these treasonous, beardy retards have the brass neck to do it in the market town that welcomes the fallen home. The fact that serving members, as well as ex-servicemen and women are getting angry had bugger all to do with wanting to fill in anyone who doesn't agree with us.... Its to do with the utter contempt being shown by a bunch of mouthy, spineless <incert the worst swear word in the english language here> who hate everything we stand for....

To be honest, the complete lack of understanding shown in this thread is, while not shocking. But some of the sentiments expressed sickens me....

Damien 04-01-2010 21:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Earl of Bronze (Post 34938915)
To be honest, the complete lack of understanding shown in this thread is, while not shocking. But some of the sentiments expressed sickens me....

The only sentiments people have expressed is that they have the right to do it without being banned or attacked. No one has expressed support for their cause.

Yes it's a horrible thing to do, but what can we do about it without betraying that freedom the miltary is meant to fight for. By the way the vast majority of Muslims do not support actions like this but still have to deal with contempt from many people, some of whom reside on this board. Us and them should ignore the extremists on both sides, and move on instead of giving them the attention they crave.

SMG 04-01-2010 21:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34938917)
The only sentiments people have expressed is that they have the right to do it without being banned or attacked. No one has expressed support for their cause.


Banned from where?? Attacked by who??

Damien 04-01-2010 21:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SMG (Post 34938921)
Banned from where?? Attacked by who??

Banned from marching. Attacked by members of the forces.

martyh 04-01-2010 21:55

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As a country as a whole we are in a position were we need to decide if we want a full democracy with all the freedom that goes with it or do we want to pick and choose what we think democracy and freedom mean .We go to war to protect freedom ,to force other countries to accept democracy and yet at the same time we want to deny it to other people in our own land simply because some don't agree with it .Soldiers have died in Afganistan and Iraq to bring democracy to countries that have never known freedom of any kind ,their deaths are meaningless if we don't uphold the true meaning of freedom and democracy however distastful it might be

Sirius 04-01-2010 21:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Earl of Bronze (Post 34938915)
And you miss the point entirely Russ....

The members of the armed forces know better than anyone else the true value of freedom.... Its measured in men and womens blood, spilled by those in the services and civilians. If these bottom-dwelling asshats had chosen to have their sad little parade anywhere else in the country, most squaddies would have curled their lip in contempt/ Then gotten on with the job. Instead, these treasonous, beardy retards have the brass neck to do it in the market town that welcomes the fallen home. The fact that serving members, as well as ex-servicemen and women are getting angry had bugger all to do with wanting to fill in anyone who doesn't agree with us.... Its to do with the utter contempt being shown by a bunch of mouthy, spineless <incert the worst swear word in the english language here> who hate everything we stand for....

To be honest, the complete lack of understanding shown in this thread is, while not shocking. But some of the sentiments expressed sickens me....

Well bloody said that man :clap:

Damien 04-01-2010 22:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 34938925)
As a country as a whole we are in a position were we need to decide if we want a full democracy with all the freedom that goes with it or do we want to pick and choose what we think democracy and freedom mean .We go to war to protect freedom ,to force other countries to accept democracy and yet at the same time we want to deny it to other people in our own land simply because some don't agree with it .Soldiers have died in Afganistan and Iraq to bring democracy to countries that have never known freedom of any kind ,their deaths are meaningless if we don't uphold the true meaning of freedom and democracy however distastful it might be

:clap::clap:

martyh 04-01-2010 22:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Earl of Bronze (Post 34938915)
And you miss the point entirely Russ....

The members of the armed forces know better than anyone else the true value of freedom.... Its measured in men and womens blood, spilled by those in the services and civilians. If these bottom-dwelling asshats had chosen to have their sad little parade anywhere else in the country, most squaddies would have curled their lip in contempt/ Then gotten on with the job. Instead, these treasonous, beardy retards have the brass neck to do it in the market town that welcomes the fallen home. The fact that serving members, as well as ex-servicemen and women are getting angry had bugger all to do with wanting to fill in anyone who doesn't agree with us.... Its to do with the utter contempt being shown by a bunch of mouthy, spineless <incert the worst swear word in the english language here> who hate everything we stand for....

To be honest, the complete lack of understanding shown in this thread is, while not shocking. But some of the sentiments expressed sickens me....


your post shows you have absolutley no idea what these soldiers are fighting and dying for ,if the modern services have that attitude then i'm glad i'm not in the army any more

Peter_ 04-01-2010 22:04

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What will happen if this march is allowed to go ahead and they march on a day when we have fallen soldiers arriving by plane to bre driven through the town centre as on every other occasion and it is lined with its normal turnout of locals, families, visitors and even squaddies paying their last respects.

Then just prior to the cortege we have a protest march by muslims walking the same route carrying mock coffins, what kind of reaction would that receive, as I have no doubt this is the real intention of this protest to dishonour our dead and provoke a violent reaction.

If this march is allowed to go ahead I shudder to think what may happen.

SMG 04-01-2010 22:09

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I wish I was young again, & knew everything.

---------- Post added at 23:09 ---------- Previous post was at 23:05 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 34938933)
your post shows you have absolutley no idea what these soldiers are fighting and dying for ,if the modern services have that attitude then i'm glad i'm not in the army any more


I think your post shows that you have no idea, & from your post, & I agree, I`m glad your not in anymore.

martyh 04-01-2010 22:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Moldova (Post 34938934)
What will happen if this march is allowed to go ahead and they march on a day when we have fallen soldiers arriving by plane to bre driven through the town centre as on every other occasion and it is lined with its normal turnout of locals, families, visitors and even squaddies paying their last respects.

Then just prior to the cortege we have a protest march by muslims walking the same route carrying mock coffins, what kind of reaction would that receive, as I have no doubt this is the real intention of this protest to dishonour our dead and provoke a violent reaction.

If this march is allowed to go ahead I shudder to think what may happen.


well if you read any of the press reports then you know that ,that has already been ruled by the muslim group in question ,and even if they applied for permission to march on that day they would be refused by the chief constable simply on logisticle grounds and if they did it anyway then they would be arrested

---------- Post added at 23:13 ---------- Previous post was at 23:09 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by SMG (Post 34938935)
I wish I was young again, & knew everything.

---------- Post added at 23:09 ---------- Previous post was at 23:05 ----------




I think your post shows that you have no idea, & from your post, I`m glad your not in anymore.


then what are the soldiers dying for

Peter_ 04-01-2010 22:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 34938939)
well if you read any of the press reports then you know that ,that has already been ruled by the muslim group in question ,and even if they applied for permission to march on that day they would be refused by the chief constable simply on logisticle grounds and if they did it anyway then they would be arrested

That is the day that they would prefer to march on to cause as much disruption as possible.

If they can only march on other days then we could well end up with counter protest if you want to call them that by neo nazi thugs such as the national front and the bnp which would then get the anti nazi league involved and the would be mayhem.

They should not be allowed to march down that towns streets under any circumstances, if they want to march let them march in London or a garrison town.

martyh 04-01-2010 22:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Moldova (Post 34938945)
That is the day that they would prefer to march on to cause as much disruption as possible.

probably correct but they know they will never permission to march on those days the same as any dead soldiers won't be allowed to be paraded if their protest goes ahead

If they can only march on other days then we could well end up with counter protest if you want to call them that by neo nazi thugs such as the national front and the bnp which would then get the anti nazi league involved and the would be mayhem.

They should not be allowed to march down that towns streets under any circumstances, if they want to march let them march in London or a garrison town.



now that would make sense ,but from their point of view it won't have such an impact

SMG 04-01-2010 22:22

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Originally Posted by SMG http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/im...s/viewpost.gif
I wish I was young again, & knew everything.
I think your post shows that you have no idea, & from your post, I`m glad your not in anymore.


Quote:

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 34938939)
then what are the soldiers dying for


Your reply to my post makes absolutely no sense m8. I have no idea what your trying to say?

Peter_ 04-01-2010 22:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 34938951)
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now that would make sense ,but from their point of view it won't have such an impact

If they marched through a garrison town like Aldershot, Hereford or Catterick I think that the would be one hell of an impact.;)

martyh 04-01-2010 22:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SMG (Post 34938953)
Originally Posted by SMG http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/im...s/viewpost.gif
I wish I was young again, & knew everything.
I think your post shows that you have no idea, & from your post, I`m glad your not in anymore.





Your reply to my post makes absolutely no sense m8. I have no idea what your trying to say?


you have said i don't know what they're fighting for ,so please educate me ,tell me why our soldiers are fighting and dying if it's not to defend our freedom


i'll await your answer with interest tomorrow ..off to bed now


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