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That would just lead some no hoper to take a pop at him. Papa sent me a note to say the link was dead. It was working when I posted it, but now, its dead. Click on Sirius`s shortcut instead, thats working. Strange though! |
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Frankly if they have as much disdain for the British way of life as this suggests and hate the same democracy that allows them freedom of speech as much as this suggests the hypocrites can take a hike. |
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Make that 3!
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I'd say make that 4, but they'd never take me alive, and it'd be sure to slot as many as possible before checking out. ;)
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my fist neck tie party --:bigcry: i'm welling up
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Good legal point Bricktop but did they have that permission in Luton not so long ago. After all, it was their protest. Lets face the facts; It is now an offence to offend another religion in the UK. Certain parts of the UK cannot celebrate Christmas for fear of offending others. It is considered an insult to preach Christianity in some areas now. Time we got a government to stand up for OUR way of life, not the interlopers that want to change us. What next; Sharia law.
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the letter published on their site is as far as it goes. |
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If this is the level of argument being bandied around I fear for us all, if we want to oppose these morons being lead by the traitor Choudry we have to stick to facts to win the argument...not fantasy. |
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While i cannot stand the nutjobs in any religion please lets not represent all believers as part of the lunatic side of it. Also belief in any of the religions is not a threat to our way of life unless we completely allow it government doesn't make a way of life the people of any given country do. I am all for standing up for what is right but i will not take part in any witchhunt against a single religion\race or culture because of a few idiots that may belong to one.
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I'm afraid these are facts.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2005/11/uk-local-council-bans-christmas-lights-for-fear-of-offending-muslims.html[/URL] Not fantasy. Like Maggy says, over zealous councils. |
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Fair comment. I just hope as Gary L suggests this march will not go ahead and common sense will prevail.
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I don't see on what grounds the march should be stopped to be honest. Non-violent, and they are entitled to free speech.
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These idiots are far less interested in marching, carrying coffins, on a very cold day in winter than they are in generating the sort of media coverage, anger and tension they've succeeded in stirring up. The news producers and editors of the UK would be doing us all a very great favour if they just ignored this pathetic group and their outpourings.
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I dont think for one moment this march will go ahead. If it does, there is a lot of opposition out there, & a lot of people & organisations prepared to stand against it. This must be nipped in the bud before the opposition becomes too organised. |
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There will be blood spilt over this, as squaddies won't allow this, as if this is allowed to go ahead, then will be almost certainly aggro, you will have the police involved and they will protect the demonstrators - thats a certainty, and why on earth has Sky News allowed that Choudary on tv to say what he wants to say, that is totally unbeliebeble, and yet WE pay his benefits, this should be stopped.
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Damien this should be stopped because somethings are just gauranteed to get violent and in this case will gain support for the likes of the bnp and suchlike so two damn good reasons to not allow this. Also honestly tell me you believe this is anything more then complete provacation from this group as marching through wootton bassett is nothing to do with policy and is politicising somewhere that has worked so hard to stay non political. Just because we are a democracy doesn't mean every malcontent has a right to do what they like and democracy comes with responsibility none of which is being shown here by these people.
Thats putting aside the fact that this group isn't just looking to march they are making statements about events they have no idea about as they are all from the UK no doubt many on benefits so what right do they have to PRETEND to know how our service people have been or are acting. |
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here is an update on good old andys planed march .
The hate preacher organising a march of Islamic extremists through the streets of Wootton Bassett sparked outrage today by comparing British troops fighting in Afghanistan to Nazi stormtroopers. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz0bfEZctW1 |
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Shahid Murasaleen, from the moderate Muslim group Minhajul-Quran International UK, said: 'Extremists like these always claim to speak for Islam and British Muslims yet they are not qualified to do either. This march will achieve nothing other than to incite hate crime against innocent law-abiding Muslims.' Pity that decent, normal people are called moderates imo lets call a spade a spade, Choudry is a nut and terrorist sympathiser, he represents no one but criminals. ---------- Post added at 17:26 ---------- Previous post was at 17:24 ---------- Quote:
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this another one where the press just make things worse
( as i got shouted at for saying my family last time ;) i will say it different this time ) our fathers / mothers grandfathers and grandmothers fought a couple of wars to ensure we can march and shout about almost anything we want this could be better handled either by ( if its really offensively done ) by no one turning up or just walking away from what ever route they chose or adding in another march for all victims of what ever war terrorist attack or civil disturbance or government killings of demonstrators ( some Muslims in there in Iran ;) ) if they are a peaceful march they could hardly object and would at the same time diminish any overtly offensive message they may be trying to give out moaning and shouting about it really justs adds to the affect they most likely were after doing the job for them |
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At least two thirds of our miseries spring from human stupidity, human malice and those great motivators and justifiers of malice and stupidity, idealism, dogmatism and proselytizing zeal on behalf of religious or political idols.
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I think both sides leave a lot to be desired. On another point, has anyone seen the Youtube footage of the Islamic march in Newport last week? It was very interesting to see the police officer stopping the filming of the march after the request of a muslim marcher. The officer could not give the reason to stop the filming, and appeared to be very confused. But she did exactly what the muslim woman asked her to do. |
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I was just pointing out that, it is not just the BNP that are violent. People tend to ignore the actions of groups that claim to be on the 'good' side. |
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who says the BNP are going to get involed in thing shocjing business,.
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The BNP people simply lived up to the shaven headed thug image. Loads of "come and have a go then" type confrontations, Nazi salutes and general nastiness. Don't know if it's different at other BNP marches but I don't see why it would be. |
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I have no knowledge about BNP matters Russ. However, if they, or any other organisation oppose this march, then they would, perhaps unfortunately, become allies. I have contacts in & out of the Army, who openly state they will use force to stop this march. To me, & most ex-forces, this is a slap in the face, a put down by some of the very ideals we have fought against. People will not stand by & watch. To allow this march would be nothing less than an incitement to riot. Feelings are running very, very high & things are quickly getting out of hand. From what I hear, I very much doubt the Police would be able to stop the violence, should this march be allowed. I have said so many times in the past, civil war is looming in Britain. People will only stand so much, we are constantly being forced to pander to the whims of the minority. Mainly, the Muslim organisations & clerics, who purport to speak for Islam. |
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has the application even been submitted yet ? the last i heard a couple of days ago he hadn't recieved one and strongly doubted that he would given the past history of the group ,but if he has then he should be able to make the descision one way or the other to defuse the situation because i can see this spreading outside of Wooten Bassett
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If our servicemen and ex-servicemen choose to use violence to disrupt this march then they will be no better than those violent extremists that they are trying to disrupt, and will do the cause of those extremists more good than harm.
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I was waiting for this to turn. Our boys don't need to go i am sure there is enough people ready to go in there place. Our boys coming home from abroad should not have to see religious fanatics parading through a town which has been saluting our lads since the war began. I for one would will be more than willing to go to that town when this parade is on to make sure my disgust at these religious fanatics is noted. |
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I think some of the last few posts have highlighted the double standards of the some people in the British public. It's ok for servicemen to use violence against protesters? Im sorry but that's rubbish. I hope any member of the armed forces who uses violence to stop someone's right to protest, however much I disagree with that protest, is taken to court and kicked out of the army.
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IF the march takes place ,and IF "our boys" retaliate with violence or indeed any group retaliates with violence then we might as well hand Great Britain over on a plate with a cherry on top .Any violent reaction is exactly what they want it will give them enough ammo to make a mockery of our so called better democracy wich we profess to hold so dearly .It's double standards like those that make us a laughing stock |
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well if these Muslim extremists and the bnp meet in wooton why not just leave them to get on with it ,they can wipe each other out and save us all a load of grief .
it would be preferable though if they picked some where else to do battle like empty moorland . i personally wouldn't loose any sleep if andy got a pasting . |
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Agreed - being a UK soldier does not entitle you to commit acts of violence against those who disgaree with their job. I know that part of a soldier's training is to be ballsy but anyone to commits violence against another who disagrees with their views should be thrown in jail, muslim nutter, BNP thug or British soldier. |
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I agree but, They want to stage this march as a point of extreme provocation. Let them march and take the consequences, they know what they`re doing.
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This just shows up those that will allow this country to be walked on . This is the attitude i expect from the liberals and is why we must never allow the liberals in to power and any where near our armed forces because they will not support them. ---------- Post added at 20:31 ---------- Previous post was at 20:31 ---------- Quote:
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What we have here, is that we have extremist who want to see violence in a small town of Wooton, where the residents, who are giving our deceased soldiers back from the battlefield the honour they deserve for giving people freedom, and these extremist are determined to prove a point which is sick, and they should NOT be allowed to cause any problems whatsoever. Problem is that if someone assualts one of them - it will be them that gets arrested.
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Being ex forces i know what it means to support some one and you never forget that bond or walk away from it. I see this as an attack on our lads in the forces, Thankfully it looks like Brown has more balls than some here. |
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I have got a better idea , let them have there march but make them have it 30 miles east of HULL !
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well you agreed with SMG's assesment of RobM's post so i would say you advocate the use of violence and being ex-forces myself i know what it means to support your fellow soldiers and showing violent intent to a hopefully peacfull march ,however much in bad taste is NOT what i was taught .You have to remember that they are soldiers of Great Britain not a bunch of mecenaries .Any violent reaction by any member of the armed forces will only lose respect for them |
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The protesters have a right to march, but people should ignore them. Don't give platforms to fascists but you have to let them speak. |
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The home secretary has said he will back any request from police or local government to ban a radical Islamic group marching through Wootton Bassett.
full story here : http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/w...re/8440408.stm |
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Its not going to happen anyway because Brown has a pair by the looks of it and hopefully will make sure this does not happen. |
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post 148 your post were you have agreed with SMG ...simples |
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So what happens if they decided to do that on a day where a poor soul is being repatriated considering that they will have to apply in advance for permission for there march what then. Then when they have been allowed to do that Should they then be allowed to do this every time there is a repatriation ? Where does it stop ???? anyone ??:?? |
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brown hasn't got a pair it's just election time and it's not his decision to make and you are right a peaceful protest against the protest by non armed forces would be preferable to fighting in the streets ,they would get arrested and all of Wooton Bassetts' dignity would have gone also the muslim protesters would have still won |
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I abhor what they are doing (just like I abhor what the BNP are doing), but part of the price of democracy is being upset by a-holes. |
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like i have said in earlier posts i don't think they even applied for permission yet and probably won't given their past record |
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I can see this thread going the same way as the march as if it is allowed to go on .
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I thought I would wait a while & see what reaction my previous post would have. Just to see who would start slagging the forces off if they joined this protest.
Serving members of the Armed Forces are not allowed to demonstrate. Should any member be on leave, they are free to travel anywhere they like. Some of you seem to be expecting the Paras there, waiting for aggro. Get a grip. Moreover, start smelling the coffee. Every soldier has Parents, brothers, friends. Every regiment has an association, made up with ex servicemen & women. Wootton Bassett has become the country's "Welcome home" for our fallen forces. This little town turns out to honour & respect these servicemen & women, we do not want a group of self appointed, petty Muslims to besmirch that final respect. For some of you "Holier than thou" pacifists, you need to get a life, because outside your little world is a bigger one, & its not very nice. I have made it clear in past posts, that I do not subscribe to the BNP, or any other radical faction, in any way, but if they oppose this march, then they will have allies. Like I said earlier, I do not think this march will go ahead. . |
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Let them have their march. don't oppose it. let's see what they're really about. if it turns out that they're against the British as a whole, then we either kill them there and then, or we put them on a plane somewhere :) |
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The members of the armed forces know better than anyone else the true value of freedom.... Its measured in men and womens blood, spilled by those in the services and civilians. If these bottom-dwelling asshats had chosen to have their sad little parade anywhere else in the country, most squaddies would have curled their lip in contempt/ Then gotten on with the job. Instead, these treasonous, beardy retards have the brass neck to do it in the market town that welcomes the fallen home. The fact that serving members, as well as ex-servicemen and women are getting angry had bugger all to do with wanting to fill in anyone who doesn't agree with us.... Its to do with the utter contempt being shown by a bunch of mouthy, spineless <incert the worst swear word in the english language here> who hate everything we stand for.... To be honest, the complete lack of understanding shown in this thread is, while not shocking. But some of the sentiments expressed sickens me.... |
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Yes it's a horrible thing to do, but what can we do about it without betraying that freedom the miltary is meant to fight for. By the way the vast majority of Muslims do not support actions like this but still have to deal with contempt from many people, some of whom reside on this board. Us and them should ignore the extremists on both sides, and move on instead of giving them the attention they crave. |
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As a country as a whole we are in a position were we need to decide if we want a full democracy with all the freedom that goes with it or do we want to pick and choose what we think democracy and freedom mean .We go to war to protect freedom ,to force other countries to accept democracy and yet at the same time we want to deny it to other people in our own land simply because some don't agree with it .Soldiers have died in Afganistan and Iraq to bring democracy to countries that have never known freedom of any kind ,their deaths are meaningless if we don't uphold the true meaning of freedom and democracy however distastful it might be
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your post shows you have absolutley no idea what these soldiers are fighting and dying for ,if the modern services have that attitude then i'm glad i'm not in the army any more |
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What will happen if this march is allowed to go ahead and they march on a day when we have fallen soldiers arriving by plane to bre driven through the town centre as on every other occasion and it is lined with its normal turnout of locals, families, visitors and even squaddies paying their last respects.
Then just prior to the cortege we have a protest march by muslims walking the same route carrying mock coffins, what kind of reaction would that receive, as I have no doubt this is the real intention of this protest to dishonour our dead and provoke a violent reaction. If this march is allowed to go ahead I shudder to think what may happen. |
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I wish I was young again, & knew everything.
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I think your post shows that you have no idea, & from your post, & I agree, I`m glad your not in anymore. |
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well if you read any of the press reports then you know that ,that has already been ruled by the muslim group in question ,and even if they applied for permission to march on that day they would be refused by the chief constable simply on logisticle grounds and if they did it anyway then they would be arrested ---------- Post added at 23:13 ---------- Previous post was at 23:09 ---------- Quote:
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If they can only march on other days then we could well end up with counter protest if you want to call them that by neo nazi thugs such as the national front and the bnp which would then get the anti nazi league involved and the would be mayhem. They should not be allowed to march down that towns streets under any circumstances, if they want to march let them march in London or a garrison town. |
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now that would make sense ,but from their point of view it won't have such an impact |
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you have said i don't know what they're fighting for ,so please educate me ,tell me why our soldiers are fighting and dying if it's not to defend our freedom i'll await your answer with interest tomorrow ..off to bed now |
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