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Your inability to take on board even the most fundamental elements of this particular case speaks volumes -Mr Shaikh was executed by lethal injection, he was not shot.

Yes, he was caught with drugs - I am not denying that - I'm merely saying that given his personal circumstances he was not afforded a fair trial in conjunction with international legal obligations which China, despite having it's own laws, has subscribed to.

It would appear that those who use the "It's their law", "live by the sword, die by the sword" arguments feel that a fair trial, especially when execution is an option, is too much to ask for in this day and age.

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Rock on.:)


A little more info on this case.

http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thre...20100102165356

It does ask the question, "Why was there no medical evidence"not even a doctors note, to suggest he was suffering from any mental disease. I suspect the Chinese dismissed his claims as the last pleadings of a condemned man. It seems only his family suggested he suffered from a mental illness.

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They should execute more and maybe it will stop drug mules or maybe it will not.

To be honest I do not care how he was executed as they should do it more often.

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Quite frankly i dont believe you :D

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He was executed by lethal injection, quite an important fact if you are trying to present details of the case as fact...

There is a very good chance that he had schizophrenia to. The more I hear about this case the worse it gets...

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which further re-enforces the question as to why his family, who stated they first thought he had a mental issue in 2001, did not seek medical advice at any stage between then and him being held in China on a death penalty... it just seems more and more like a last chance attempt of aquital for a condemned man.

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As far as I am aware, no medical evidence was brought forward at, or before the trial, by either family, government, or any other group.

Only when he was tried & convicted was the issue of mental illness brought up. In that light, it appears the issue was one of a last minute attempt to halt the proceedings.

Can anyone enlighten me if this is correct.

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from what i have read that seems to be the case.

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The case history, as reported by Jonathan Watts, clearly states that concerns about Mr Shaikhs mental aptitude had been ignored prior to, during and after his first 30 minute "trial".

Obviously in order for these concerns to have been ignored they would first have to be raised - ergo one can safely assume that the mental health issues were not a "last minute / last ditch" attempt on the part of his family, campaigners, the Foreign Office and Gordon Brown amongst others.

The text of Mr Watts's reportage is as follows;

"Why didn't the judges accept requests by the defence that Shaikh be evaluated to assess claims that he had bipolar disorder and delusional psychosis?

This is the question that will hang over this case and do the most damage to relations between China and the UK. Under Chinese law, punishments can be reduced or voided if criminals are unable to recognise or control their misconduct. Yet this was ignored during Shaikh's initial 30-minute trial. At a second trial, judges were said to have laughed at the erratic 50-minute speech given by Shaikh, but they refused requests by UK consulate-appointed lawyers for a mental examination. By contrast, an American man who killed his Chinese wife a few years ago was given a reduced sentence because the lower court accept that he was a paranoid-schizophrenic. By the time this became an issue in Shaikh's case, it may have been too high-profile for the authorities to do anything without looking like they were backing down."

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Apart from requests to have the guy examined, did they present any physical evidence? Did they present his medical notes, or any doctors notes.

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Physical evidence yes - they presented Mr Shaikh. The submission of medical records and or doctors notes at that juncture was a moot point as the court had already refused to comply with their own law insofar as they had refused requests by the UK consulate lawyers to have him medically examined with a view to his pleading insanity on the grounds of mental instability. Why else do you think his lawyers might have wanted him examined?

Again "Under Chinese law, punishments can be reduced or voided if criminals are unable to recognise or control their misconduct. Yet this was ignored during Shaikh's initial 30-minute trial".

You seem intent on peddling the false premise that the mental illness question was factored in "Only when he was tried & convicted" when quite clearly - according to Reprieve, his appointed lawyers and independant observers such as Watts - that was not the case.

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But I answered with this afterwards.;)

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So this guy conviniently showed signs of mental illness that he hadn't shown in all the years previous to getting caught drug running in a country that executes drug runners. Damn those nasty little chinese for not wasting time and money fully investigating whether a ******* was genuinely mentally ill or hard to believe i know but faking it to escape his death sentence.

Fact is he went to china of his own accord no one forced him to go unless someone on here knows different and while there he by whatever means ends up with 4 kilo's of smack that some nasty person tricked him into carrying for them even though they were going the same place as him.

Come on seriously this is a comedy of excuses that the chinese didn't buy so they executed him in accordance with their laws. Is the chinese judicial system faultless no but then most people even some really stupid one's adopt the old thing of do no wrong and don't believe strange people at airports and have no reason to worry about such things.

Also getting sick and tired of hearing convinience paper brits suddenly catching national pride when they go somewhere and do something wrong so the next time it happens i would like to see the UK directing them to whatever embassy that represents the country they were last in.

Which in this case would have been poland. One ******* down lets hope there are more of them then their victims this year forlorn hope but you never know.

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Rizzy - try reading up on some of the case history.

Fascinating insight into your mindset.

Followed by another.

Mask slipped much lately?

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And you know this, how? Perhaps you are using a similar research technique that many on here have employed?

So, you don't believe in fair trials then?

Sounds about right, according to his defence.

So, you don't believe in fair trails then?

Aah, perhaps this is the real basis for your opinion. Perhaps you do believe in fair trials, but only if they are "Ethnically British?"

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What evidence am i missing there are no medical records for this man saying he had a mental illness prior to his trip or arrest in china and if he developed a mental illness after being arrestted that makes no difference. Please being bi polar or schizophrenic doesn't make you a moron and many people manage those conditions day in and day out without using it as an excuse for their actions even when it may well be the reason for their actions. This guy got caught and then played a card, it didn't work and they executed him as was their right to do given he was in china at the time of his arrest breaking their laws.

Attack me and try and make more out of what i said if you want this man doesn't and didn't deserve any sympathy and won't get any from me. As for me being against fair trials oh give it a rest, you go to another nation and break the law there don't expect to be treated as you would in the UK it's the way the majority approach these things and only an arrogant few would expect the protests from this country to cut any ice with another.

As for mask slipping no as there is no mask to slip i have every sympathy with people who by no fault of their own find themselves in trouble but have little time for people that by their own actions get into trouble. One minute on here we have people moaning about how arrogant the UK is telling this country and that country how to do things and when it suits them it is ok for us to lecture another sovereign state on how they deal with crime in their country. Not every country is a walk over for criminals like the UK has become since "tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime" labour came to power and many country's are better off for it when will we learn.

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Fantastic.

A well rationalised and factually researched riposte based on the evidence to hand - well done.

You are a credit to yourself.

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Post of the month ^^^^^^ :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

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Agreed

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Rizzy, you have again decided to ignore the fact that his mental condition was never allowed to be determined / examined prior to his sentencing and that is the key here.

Nobody is saying that drug smugglers should be given an easy ride - in the event that they are found guilty beyond reasonable doubt they do deserve what they get - though I am an opponent of the death penalty. Everyone deserves a fair trial - it is a basic human right which was, by all accounts bar that of the Chinese judiciary, denied to this man.

Let's just wait and see if your, and others, stoic defence of the application of the laws of other countries (with a disregard for their own due processes I must add) is as forthcoming the next time a serviceman, servicewoman or hostage is beheaded or shot under the terms of another countries "laws" and broadcast on the internet to send out a "message" to those they define as law breakers visiting their countries.

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Serviceman or women V Convicted drug dealer?? How can you stoop so low as to judge them both in the same light???

He wasn't suffering from any mental illness everyone knows this, he was trying to play the illness card which in my eyes doesn't wash.

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This is the point Nidge, you just don't get it. It's not "me" judging them in the same light it's the "laws" of other countries when dealing with those they see as criminals - laws which you and others are advocating their right to carry out without recourse to due process and the rule of international law.

Live by the sword, die by the sword indeed.

As for the mental illness evaluation issue the fact is China, despite having an obligation to provide same (which may have actually disproved claims of mental illness- but we'll never know) refused to do so.

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Really? I don't know either way. Did you perform an examination of this man?

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The is no comparison as the people you refer to are not the governments killing servicemen but extremists outside of that countries law so not a valid argument.

China went their own way and because they executed him it may stop a few other people from trying to use drug mules.

If he had been deemed to be ill the would be a lot more arguing going on in the news and that says it all for me, they know that the claim for mental illness was unsound so they are keeping quiet.

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Moldova, you are obviously oblivious to the fact that countries like Afghanistan, Iraq and others have territories ruled by provincial warlords who are not under the control of central Governments and have their own territorial laws.

You are oversimplifying things. They may be extremists in your opinion but in their eyes, and in accordance with their laws, they are entirely law abiding and the arbiters of regional law. As Nidge, Sirius, Rizzyking and others have pointed out it's their laws, their country, they know what's best for their country and shouldn't be argued with so let them get on with it.

Are you starting to grasp the importance of a fair trial in the eyes of international law yet?

No, it will not "stop a few other people from trying to use drug mules" in fact quite the opposite - it will encourage drug cartels to use mules rather than risk their own lives.

If you bothererd to look you would see that this is, quite obviously, not the case.

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As previously said he was executed for carrying 4 kilos of drugs into a sovereign country who actually have rules capable of dealing with **** like this and that is reason enough for his execution.

Those drugs could have killed many more people, so the loss of his life outweighs that for me and if other countries actually treated drug runners like this then I for one would be quite happy for them to do so, it is a filthy trade and they deserve whatever happens to them.

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The use of emotive and highly charged language such as "****" in this particular case is not helpful and does a disservice to those suffering a mental illness.

This individual had displayed symptoms of mental imbalance for several years, despite this fact he was denied a mental evaluation, which was his right, and was summarily executed.

As I stated earlier I have no sympathy for drug dealers but in an instance such as this there are very real concerns as to the legitimacy of the trial process and outcome.

Had the Chinese met their obligation and afforded the accused a mental evaluation which had determined him to have been of sound mind then we would not be having this debate. The fact is they didn't and any rational person really ought to be wondering why.

That said, your concern for the wellbeing of the Chinese population is deeply touching.

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Without throwing a spanner in the works, which should they? Why should they offer an form of evalution. The "british" system falls for this trick far too much and I am sick of it.

Even, if he was "ill" with Bi-Polar, you still know right from wrong. It doesn't matter. So in simple, he did wrong, he got punished. Serves him right. The Chinese, made an example of him, prooving they will not tolerate drugs being imported into their country.

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So, apart from verbal requests, no one actually presented any physical evidence that the accused was mentally ill. Either his defence was totally incompetent, or it was just a verbal ploy to halt the proceedings. I suspect it was a ploy, which the Chinese saw through.

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Because executing people who may be mentally ill is on as par with eugenics and humanely reprehensible, that's why.

Nobody in recent British history has been on trial for their life and required an evaluation in order to live - Britain (rather the judicial system as opposed to the general populus as evidenced by some in this thread) has long abandoned support for such barbaric and inhumane practices.

Bi-polar is a recognised illness - there is no need to put the word ill in quotations.

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Then you obviously haven't read any of the substantive documentary evidence (predating his arrest I might add) which is available from the reprieve site.

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Sorry but I strongly disagree. The person & his lawyers, used that as a desperation plea, it was clearly obvious. If he had / has Bi-Polar, then he would of had medication on his person / luggage. He would of also, said something sooner. It's aload of tosh. It's clear.

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It's a brave man in this day and age that would advocate eugenics or act as an apologist / advocate for the murder of someone who may have been mentally unstable - each to his / her own.

Yes, pleading for a clients life is pretty serious situation. And the Chinese refused a mental evaluation on what basis if they thought there was no risk of him being found mentally unstable? You seem to be more confident about his mental state than they were prepared to venture - strange that, eh?

Hypothetically yes, if he were indeed travelling with his own luggage, but that's a different matter.

Go and read the quantifiable evidence including behaviours and evidence of mental instability predating his arrest, along with subsequent statements by the PM, Foreign Office officials, defence lawyers and independent psychiatrists - together with the statements as published on the reprieve site and feel free to come back and show me where it was clearly "a load of tosh".

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Personally I don't care about his state of mind.

He committed the crime. He got punished. End of.

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I have read the links you provided m8, also the other links & reports I have found. Nowhere does it state that any medical evidence was presented by either the defendant, or his counsel. It does say that verbal requests were made, & that the Chinese dismissed them. As most probably other Judges would without any physical evidence.

I said, it appears that the verbal plea of insanity did not phase the judges, perhaps if the defence produce anything more than requests, ie, his doctors notes, hospital notes etc, the outcome may have been different, but nothing was produced.

On the facts presented, he was found guilty, & punished by Chinese law.

The law may not be of your liking m8, but it is their law. Had this man actually been mentally ill, then the blame must fall on his defence counsel for failing to provide adequate evidence to secure a different outcome.

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This is why he was convicted below taken from HERE

He had a 15 minute evaluation to say that he was Bi Polar or Schizophrenic, smells of desperation as any diagnosis would take much longer, taken from HERE

He had no medical history of mental illness and they had over 2 years to provide any records to prove otherwise.

Below taken from HERE


If the was a shred of truth regarding him being ill, then I find it strange that except for the 15 minutes examination stated above above, that the is not one single record about him being ill until he was caught carrying drugs into a country that has an automatic death penalty for amounts exceeding 50grams and he was carrying over 4 kilos.

He was caught and no real proof came to light in over 2 years regarding his mental state and therefore he was duly executed for his crime.

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this is all so very futile. he's dead.

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From one of your own links;

"Chinese law says a defendant's mental state should be taken into consideration if they are accused of serious crimes, but the Chinese authorities have refused repeated requests for Shaikh to be evaluated by a doctor."

This is the crux of the argument.

Nobody is disputing that he trafficked drugs, knowingly or otherwise, nobody is saying he was innocent from a legal perspective.

The issue here is that he was denied a legal entitlement and executed when under their own legislature the Chinese, without any prerequisite for proof but simply in light of the seriousness of the crime, were obliged to have his mental health assessed and they refused to do so.

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Seriously now, does it matter. It's be done and dealt with. We should all know, the Chinese deal with it their way and their way only.

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The defence was given 2 years to provide some, any, form of proof, that he was mentally ill. They failed, the sentence was carried out.

End of in my book.

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Yes, I personally think it does matter.

As I said earlier if we are to condone or turn a blind eye to the barbaric execution of people because a system sees fit to ignore certain legal obligations then we are hardly in a position to criticize or stand up for the rights of other parties whenever they decide to behead or execute people because of "their laws" in "their country".

SMG with all due respect, and as has been pointed out several times in this thread, his mental illness, or otherwise, could easily have been established by means of an evaluation during the course of his detention. The Chinese repeatedly refused to allow any such evaluation to be carried out.

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But is this surprising, when China is a one-party state in which Law and Party are intertwined and not entirely separate? The Chinese people themselves suffer under the whim of local party officials, so what chance have foreigners got, when convicted of serious crimes? The judge wanted him dead, the judge made him dead. Unpleasant, but that's the way it is in China, and that, rather than any of the legal technicalities specific to this case, is the real issue.

We would all be better off getting hot under the collar about how we're causing this unreformed, undemocratic monster to build itself into one of the most powerful nations on Earth, thanks to our own insatiable demand for cheap high street goods.

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The piece you posted from my previous post says that they had 2 years to provide external medical proof and they failed so any examination would only show illness after he was caught not prior to or at the time of the smuggling.

Doctors keep medical records of patients but the were none for him showing mental illness, speaks of desperation and trying to use any means to stop his execution.

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Thats the point, it doesn't really matter. It's not like he was a "brit" anywho. So it don't matter. It's down to his birth country in my eyes to deal with him / it.

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I'll quote your link again for you "Chinese law says a defendant's mental state should be taken into consideration if they are accused of serious crimes, but the Chinese authorities have refused repeated requests for Shaikh to be evaluated by a doctor."

That's their law that they ignored. Does that make it any clearer for you? As Chris has said they wanted him dead and, it would appear, at any cost. The judiciary, and indeed a fair contingent of the population, have not forgotten England's complicity in the opium wars and they will be seeking restitution and revenge for quite some time to come.

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Opium War from 1856 to 1860. reality check please :)

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Why did he ever need to be evaluated as the is no prior medical records from any of the countries he has lived in saying that he was mentally ill, so any examination would only prove was that he was ill when examined not at the time of the offence.

If the was proof of mental illness then they were wrong but as the is no prior proof just his desperate family and friends trying anything to obtain his release by any means possible.

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Either way. Hes dead. So regardless of his "state of mind" hes dead. Serves him right. Regardless. I see no argument for this. We all know why they did it.

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That's a long time to hold a grudge. how long they been giving us the Made in China tat for now? :)

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reality check: check - It happened therefore real

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Of course it did 150 years ago.:D

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and long forgotten .

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Certainly - they only got Hong Kong back in 1997 and sections of the Chinese political elite are still smarting.

The Chinese use their history (specifically the opium wars) to frequently remind Britain that it is not in a position to dictate to them on the morality of their stance on drugs.

For those who think 150 years or so is enough to induce mass amnesia for the social devastation the Chinese suffered as a result of enforced drug importation they would do well to read the latter part of this link.

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Either way. He's dead. Who cares. I don't. Why should I? He ins't British. So I really dont care. I dont care, that China didn't give him a medical assessment. I really don't. They must of had their reasons, which we will no doubt never find out

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Not really as it's been brought up today ;)

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You've said your bit webcrawler and there really is no need for you to reiterate and keep repeating the selective "he isn't (which should of course be "wasn't") British" mantra. We all know where you're coming from thanks.

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because someone read it in a newspaper - who honestly knew anything about it before mr A brought it up -not i

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Especially as the thread title (presumably set by the OP) states

"Anger After British Man Executed In China"

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Hmmm..... Getting warm in here.....

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that'll be all the hot air :)

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Yes, its getting hot in here, & for once its not me turning the heat up. lets agree to disagree on this one. Whatever China does or doesn't do, like it or not, China is a much bigger world player than Britain. Their law, right or wrong. They do have one advantage with their death penalty though.

They don't get any re-offenders.:)

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Agreed.

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They should drop a nuke on china for killing that poor bloke. Personally I won't be buying anything made in china again and I think everyone else should do the same.

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Lol how you gonna manage that then lol

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Given how much is made in china these days i think your going to find that very hard lol. Also quite an over reaction to suggest dropping nukes you do realise the chinese have more then a few as well don't you.

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Then you best go through your wardrobe and everything else you own as the will be quite a lot of stuff that you own that has been manufactured in China.:p:

As for a nuclear war over a drugs mule, get a life.

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Yep, I hear they are cheap in China...

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lol. someone should make an award for your ignorance! that's pure unenlightenment encapsulated in a single sentence!! awesome.

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As I have previously said the person who was caught carrying drugs was duly tried and received the correct sentence.

As for life being cheap in China, if you mean the way they treat their own citizens, then that is up to their government.

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Well, it would be if they were democratically elected.

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Exactly and that is never going to happen as things stand over there, but even some parents will let a baby girl girl and dump them in the gutter.

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Just because you keep repeating something doesn't make it right, as has been pointed out they didn't even follow their own guidelines and what a blase way to dismiss the raft of human rights abuses that regime carries out, whilst conveniently failing to point out the people there have no choice in "their" government.

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He was a drugs mule and he was tried and executed and if other countries followed their lead we may have less drugs being smuggled.

Its as right as it gets for any drugs mule.

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For fear of repeating this whole thread once over, what is the point of having laws if they can just be ridden roughshod over, I wonder why they bothered with the trial at all....

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Because he was carrying over 4 kilo's of heroin and under Chinese law you get the death penalty for any amount over 50 grams.

No proof of mental illness has ever been shown prior to his arrest either such as any medical history or psychiatric assessments or even a single prescription for any medication, so no requirement for him to be assessed after his arrest unless they were trying any means to free a drugs trafficker.

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But they had an already defined legal duty, to find out if he was or wasn't suffering a mental illness, but they ignored this.

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If the is no proof prior then as far as they are concerned he was of sound mind when he crossed their borders with the heroin, anyone can be proved to be ill afterwards.

As I and many others have said throughout this thread it is about time that someone made a stand against this vile trade and in my mind they made the right decision.

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Yes but it would have been far easier just to take him outside and shoot him after finding the drugs, I mean who needs a trial if you're not going to bother following your own rules.

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You know in Medieval Britain we didn't execute the mentally ill, whether they were sick before, during or after their arrest, say's a lot imo.

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That would be better and it would rid us off one more drug peddling ******* with the need for a trial then I would be all for it.

As I have said already I do not feel in the least bit sorry for this specimen as he tried to smuggle drugs and that deserves the sentence he received, we and many other countries are far to soft on these people and therefore others are then willing to chance their arm smuggling this filth.

If China had executed this person and he had held a Polish passport no one would be in the least bit interested.

He was caught, tried and the sentence was carried out, job done.

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Or a Nigerian passport, or an Iranian one.

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Exactly if what China does is stop some of these traffickers then other lives may be saved that are unable to take the filth they peddle.

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Yeah that's a good idea aint it kill some poor sod what wouldn't hurt a fly and let the man at the top of drugs chain get away with it:tu:

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He was carrying enough drugs to kill 26000 people and if this stops other drug mules from carrying this filth then it has a positive effect.

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So they knew who the top guy was, had them arrested, but released them?

If they did 'know' who the top guy was, then that would have been based on the evidence of someone who was alleged to have a mental condition and therefore any evidence would have been worthless.

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Which they didn't recognise (the alleged mental illness), so using that reason to deny his testimony would not have stood up in court.....;)

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You believe that then you'll believe anything pal

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I feel no pity that a drugs mule was executed as it is about time someone made a stance against these *******s.

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Well unless someone has come up with a cure for death on here then i guess the lessons for everyone from this is A, if your relative has a mental condition don't let them travel to places that execute people, B, if your going to a country that executes people then don't carry anything that isn't yours and packed by yourself and finally C, if you do A and B don't expect much sympathy.

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Unless you're travelling from Slovakia, in which case all bets are off.