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exactly , they should be thrown out into the street ,they don't deserve our generosity


noticed the crimbo buttons nice touch :tu:

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So...how about those names and addresses, then?

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does being stupid come naturally to you or do you practice much ?

i'll give you a clue ...drug dealers ....dole cheats ....people who breed dangerous dogs from council owned property and allow them to kill their children any number of estates all over the country have people like these so i would suggest you get clued up reality

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Aah, so you don't have any real proof then. Just speculation, guesses and conjecture and perhaps a little bit of the old stereotypes thrown in.

Calling someone stupid doesn't make you big, it just makes you look a bit silly.

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so you think the local drug dealer deserves to be housed by the council ?

or the family who live in my street claiming dole and the wife works at the same freezer shop as my wife and they can get away with it because officially he doesn't live there

just have walk round your nearest council estate and you will find examples of all these and more ..it's called real life

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True. My cousin bought an ex-council house. where the council had knocked two semi detached houses into one. It did mean that although it was a large house, it had a lot of very small rooms though.

Still, we don't know both sides of the story. Yes, I agree that the council should not have placed them in a mansion *if* other properties were available, but the council does have a duty to provide accommodation for them (they have kids).

The problem is that (thanks to a combination of high property prices and the policies of both Tory and Labour governments), the councils don't necessarily have access to enough properties to house all their tenants.

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The LA does have a duty to house people but how is it that on the one hand we hear about poor families (both indigenous and otherwise) living on top of eachother in just a few rooms somewhere, whilst these people are living in such large houses??.. It seems as unfair as it is ridiculous.

Given the lack of available resources for all those in need, surely it's time it was made clear to people who're reliant on benefits that they can't just go on having children and expect the state to pick up the tab to such a massive extent.

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Yes, I knew a guy who separated from his wife and kids so she could get a house rent free, then what a surprise when she got the house he moved in. The guy also owned a business that was in his mothers name.

These are called scroungers, and an examples can be found living in most streets.

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But there not all from Afghanistan.

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whats Afghanistan got to do with anything ? :confused:

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This thread. :confused:

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I thought this thread was about excessive housing benefit.. :confused:

and, not that it matters much, the family highlighted in the original link are from Somalia.

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nobody mentioned Afganistan :confused:

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Oops, my bad. What I meant to write was, "asylum seekers."

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Easy mistake to make.

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Well I'd have started this thread if the family(ies) concerned were from Huddersfield or anywhere else in the UK for that matter. It's still taxpayer's money after all...

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And another ponce, this one a thief who avoids jail because of her kids, tuff I say, she didn't give a damn about them when she was ripping the country of to the tune of £70k, despite owning property abroad.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co....perty_in_dubai

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And she hasn't been deported why exactly ?

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EU citizen, she wasn't even Somalian....

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What we have here are examples of a system gone stupid and Flyboy it happened on your beloved labour partys watch so get over it and deal with it. There are people in this country in genuine need who simply cannot get the help they should be able to get while others less\more deserving or not seem to have it handed to them on a plate this is an inequality in the system and is breeding resentment both in other benefit claimants and working people.

Yet again one person has alluded to this all being the fault of the previous tory government such an easy copout to make and completely untrue this government have been in power long enough with a big enough majority to have overturned anything done in the past and have CHOSEN not to. This government is also the one that has told councils to raise rents to the same level as private housing associations by 2015 i think it is though may be wrong on the year. Meaning many of the lowest paid people in this country have seen their rents skyrocket in the last few years hitting them harder then any tory government has in the past.

But back to the main point it is patently ridiculous for any system to be paying these levels of housing benefit for so few familys and there simply must be a better way to deal with the problem. I do think that any adult who has more then say three kids has to take some responsibility for that and shouldn't be carried by the country and maybe it is time for a system whereby instead of money if you have a number of children you cannot suppoprt you get food vouchers.

I am all for benefit claimannts being treated fairly but there has to be a limit we cannot have a system whereby you can recklessly keep having children when you have no way to support them. There used to be an understanding in this country where those who worked had a reasonable assurance that those on benefit were in need and deserved to get it. If those workers hit hard times at any point in the future the system would be there for them. Under that no one had a problem with the benefit system but that has gone and people working now do not have that assurance in fact they have the opposite and the resentment is growing and rightly so i think.

I am on benefit and will be for the rest of my life and although i am tired of being made to feel like a scrounging lowlife living free sometimes i understand where the anger comes from. It is why i feel that the system does need urgent reform we do need to get back to a situation whereby only those that need it get it and those who are able to get work and support themselves do so and are helped to do it. That said there needs to be money so that training is actually worth it and recognised by business and any claimant on JSA after six months should be compelled to attend vocational training.

We cannot go on as we are we all know that the system is failing those in genuine need whilst pandering to many who are abusing the system and the bill is simply getting too much for any country to sustain for any length of time. Whilst we should never close the door to this country to any person in genuine need there has to be an understanding by those we give safety and sanctuary to that once here it isn't a free for all and that they have to work for and earn that safety and security they previoulsy lacked and that is not asking too much of anyone.

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But why should the children be punished for her crimes?

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Quoted wrong post.

Should have been:

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Crimes? Whose crimes? I don't recall reading that the 2 cases I cited involved crimes.. :confused: IMO the main 'crime' here is a system which allows this sort of situation to arise in the first place.

If you're referring to the 'fake' Somalian are you saying that she shouldn't be severely punished because doing so might harm her children in some way? If so, at what point (if ever) would you deem a crime she committed so serious that it'd be acceptable for the state to impose a punishment which would, by your definition, harm her children?

Children should never be punished for what their parents do but real life isn't like that is it. All children have to live with the actions of their parents, good or bad. I'm not sure what your point is but if it is that the state should have no right to intervene what would you suggest it do in cases where people insist on having children they can't afford or can't/won't look after? Should it just turn a blind eye and continue to pay out more and offer larger and larger houses to people on benefits simply because they happen to want to keep having children? What size house should the unemployed mother of 13 have been offered had all her kids not been taken into care? How much in benefits? Should it be never ending so as to ensure the children don't suffer? If you do accept there has to be a limit then what do you propose to do about those whose personal choices cause their needs to exceed the available provision? Are the children in these cases not going to suffer in some way? The funds for all of this are finite and I wonder how many other deserving families are having to survive on far less and live in conditions far worse than these people are.

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As a convicted criminal I believe she can be kicked out of the UK, and then refused entry in the future.... So why hasn't this bitch been given the Spanish Archer?

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nobody wants to punish the children Flyboy ,that's a ridiculous thing to suggest ,even the most drastic solution of removing the kids and placing them in foster or state run homes will result in a better upbringing .Consider that in most cases of this type of extreme "scrounging" the family is involved in criminal activity so removing the children would be beneficial to them
I'm not saying this should be done in all cases just the most extreme and remember that it would be the parents fault

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That is exactly what has been suggested.

You have absolutely no idea that would be the case. This woman has been convicted of the crime and the court has decided not to punish her children for her mistakes. This woman poses no threat to the public, bar her misuse of the benefits system. If she posed a threat to her children, the court would have ordered a social services review.

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Oops, again. Twice in the same thread. :doh: Only excuse is that I should not be doing business and typing posts at the same time.

As I said, this woman poses no threat to the public. Her children are more likely to be adversely affected by her absence than by her presence. There is nothing in any of the reports to suggest that she is likely to be a harm to the children. There is no indication, apart from the offences she has committed, that she is a bad parent and these children are not living in a loving relationship with their mother. There has been no blind eye, the courts have convicted her, she has been punished, she has been given a prison sentence, albeit suspended, she has a supervision order and has been ordered to do three hundred hours of unpaid work. and it is highly unlikely she will be able to repeat her felony. What punishment do you think she should have received?

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I'm not arguing the specific punishment she received and that's not the subject of this thread - I only referred to this woman as a result of your post about her crimes which had nothing to do with anything I'd previously written.

The topic of this thread is benefits and to what extent the state should be able to intervene in extreme cases such as the 2 which were the original subject of this thread. Your stance seems to be the state should never intervene in such cases, people on benefits should be allowed to have as many children as they like and the state should accomodate them all accordingly because it's not the fault of the children involved.

Given what you'd written, I simply asked whether you'd extend that concept to mothers who've committed serious crimes and, if so, at what point (if any) you would deem them so serious that the need for custodial punishment would override any harm which may be done to the children as a result of that punishment. If you agree that there are circumstances in which that must, sadly, happen then you also agree that the state should and must have the right to intervene EVEN if that results in some form of harm to innocent children.

I wish all children could be safe and well cared for but they're not and many would argue that a benefit system which SOMETIMES seems to encourage or reward having children without requiring responsibility or restraint isn't the best way to achieve that ambition.

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She should have thought about those same children before she stole, they'll have to go and live with their father or another relative until she gets out, so what.

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How long should she be in jail? What family members should take the children in. Do you expect those family members to also be punished for someone else's crimes?

It is not the children's fault that he mother committed a crime, or do you really think that they should be punished because of it?

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she should go to prison for as long as the crime justifies

if the family members cant or wont look after the kids then they go into a home with the knowledge that it was their mother who put them there

It is not unusual for this to happen children get taken from parents for all sorts of reasons sometimes you just have to be cruel to be kind

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It's just yet another, in the very long list of cases where women get away with a crime.

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That's 'equality' for you eh??..... :rolleyes:

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or were women use children as a safety net

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So, the children should be punished for the crime of the parent, great. What respect for authority do you think these children wouild have when growing up in a home somewhere?

The mother was sentenced to prison, however it was suspended. If she commits another crime, she will have to serve that sentence. She has been punished in other ways as well, she has been given a supervision order and has to work for three hundred hours, unpaid.

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if thats how you want to see it thats up to you ,but if children have to go into a home or live with relatives while a parent is in jail then so be it ,its not the end of the world for them and like i said its the parents fault not society or the judicial system

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If we're going to start letting women off prison because they have kids then we really are on a road to hell because surely the proper way to look at it is if they have children they shouldn't do anything to risk being parted from them or their children suffering. Sorry but whether you have children or not you commit a crime you do whatever punishment and the children shouldn't be a consideration when being sentenced. Truth is what we have is a government that has completely failed to increase prison places meaning we have a myriad of scheme's to get people out many of them long before they deserve to be out because we don't have space.

Anyhoo all this is off the main topic which is about the stupidity of certain sections of the benefit system and how thats needs changing for the benefit of everyone in this country.

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Seems like I need to knock out a couple of kids and then it's safe for me to commit some crime.:rolleyes:

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Yep typical New Labour, all responsibility taken away from the individual, she knew what she was doing when she decided to steal from the country for 7 years, she didn't care enough about those kids not to commit the crimes. Oh and the hourly rate for her community service is about £230 per hour, the rest of us would have to become MP's for such saleries, better still this unscrupulous thief is better qualified for the position.

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another parasite that should be gassed.

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Another benefit cheat...http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/south_west/8391469.stm

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another *******. :mad:

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Because they're a benefit cheat or because they're not white and a benefit cheat?

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because there a benefit cheat. fed up with frauds that sponge and cheat whilst the likes of me works hard.

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I think gassing them is a bit strong though.

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Next week I will be working mon to fri, but also sat and sunday so that I can get some extra cash for xmas, whilst parasites like these sit on there arses and do nowt. it really makes me angry and bitter.

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But not the first tim it's been suggested on here before.

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I'm fed up being on housing benefit. I'd much rather be working.

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:td: :td: :td:

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The Daily Mail with another world exclusive.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...rackdown.html#

Oh hang on a sec. From December last year

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...ouse-family.do

Not that I'm suggesting in any way, shape or form the Daily Heil would recycle old headlines to further its aims...

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How is it recycling old headlines? The headline is that the situation is still the same as it was a year ago and that the government had said that things would change and(surprise, surprise) it hasn't. Therefore that aspect of the story is current and up to date. They are not claiming that this is a new situation.:rolleyes:

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A bit harsh on the Daily Fail... We're told the reason for the media is to scrutinise the government and hold them to account of their electorate. I think they have a fair shout here.

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Got to agree - of course I'm sure tough talking Gordon and his mates would much prefer this sort of thing were forgotten about. After all, his government has proved how easily it and enormous amounts of taxpayers money, are parted for no good reason....

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Agreed. While I am loathe to agree with what the mail is saying, the Government did promise to sort this out, and has seemingly failed to do so.

The problem is that some familys are large, and the rules still require that they have a house large enough. However, most houses are not large enough to house a family of this size. The only ones that are, are mansions.

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But the rest of us are expected to move somewhere cheaper(ie not Notting Hill or Kensington).

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The rest of who?

I have not been told about moving anywhere.

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In fairness, I doubt there are many 5 or 6 bedroom houses available anywhere that are cheap...