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no he hasn't and as i stated the earliest is going to be 14-15 nov

All this debate does tend to raise one question though .If the BNP is forced to allow non indigenous races then what is the point of the party?

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Circular reasoning FTL !

As was stated earlier.... The fascist Richard Heads for the BNP may be willing to change their rules, but who from a minority group would want tp join.... Even if they did, they just rejest the application on some spurious ground.... :dozey:

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So. Flaming. What?!

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Update:

Link

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Good for him. :clap:

I wonder if Hain realises that all he's achieved here is to ensure a bigger TV audience for someone he would prefer to have no audience at all.

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I'm no expert, but as far as I can understand it, the fact that the court was adjourned to give the BNP time to implement changes, and the court did not specify that the BNP wasn't a legal political party, then at least until the 28th January (when the court reconvenes), then the BNP has all the rights and privileges of any political party. Including the right to airtime.

I would be surprised if Mr Hain didn't actually realise that.

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He was ordered to sign an undertaking that he would propose the amendment. As far as I am aware he hasn't done that yet.

The undertaking was an agreement with the high court that he would put the proposal before the EGM. As far as I am aware, as he hasn't signed the undertaking, he has not committed to do anything.

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So he's not just a racist, he's a very slippery racist. I don't think that's a surprise to many people. What relevance, if any, does this have to his appearance on QT this week?

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Only time nick griffin comes off remotely reasonable is when he is allowed to dominate and be unchallenged. Everytime he is challenged and is not able to dominate he comes across very badly and thats exactly how i expect him to come across this week on QT. Lets remember this is not a case of nick griffin being some kind of genius in a panel of idiots there will be plenty of people there to push him and expose him and if the past is anything to go by it won't be that hard.

We have to get out of this mindset that seems to have set in in this country that by banning\ignoring something it goes away or ceases to be a problem because that clearly doesn't work. Also i do not believe most who voted for the bnp are beyond reason in fact i think they feel seperated ad desperate in this country and what they want is to feel they are being listened too and taken heed of and that is something the bnp have made them feel they are capable of doing.

For too long in this country a large and growing section of our society has felt disenfranchised from the country and no longer feel part of it and that is a problem that has to be addressed by whoever wins the next election. Also those people have to realise that the bnp is merely playing on that feeling and were it to get power would do nothing beyond the cosmetic to remove the problem in fact they wouold become the most insular and non listening government the UK had ever had.

Bring the bnp out from the shadows let everyone see them and get to know them and then you will see people turn away from them because despite what they claim they do not represent the values that the people of this country hold dear and never will do.

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Another member list posted online... LINK

WIKILEAKS

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Link not working, or has been taken down.

EDIT: Must have been oversubscribed, it is back up now.

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These membership list leaks is just ridiculous and should not be published

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Both links work for me...:erm:

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It must be a very popular subject, it is taking ages to download.

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altho not a fan myself they have a right to their opinion . NO SHARIA LAW IN BRITAIN !!!! are white working class and black christians and all other denominations and atheists not entitled to free speech anymore , where are our rights , enoch powell was right .

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Stay on subject. We have ENOUGH threads discussing racism, religious discrimination, sharia law et al. THIS IS NOT ONE OF THEM

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lol

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6882306.ece

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As there are claims that the latest leaked list is not genuine, the list supposedly comprises of parts of the original leaked list and new names that Griffin claims are not members.

It would be a shame if someone on the list was not a member and lost their job as a result.

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Not sure if this has been posted, but if you want to know where and who your nearest BNP member is then enter your post code here....

http://www.localgibson.com/bnp/

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Interesting, one listed 385 yards from me. He is a local business proprietor, I believe also a member of the Rotary club.

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Does anyone have a reliable link? I don't seem to be able to open the one on Wikileaks.

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Seems like the BNP might put their foot in it on Question Time:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8317353.stm

Alluding to the Generals being Nazis and mentioning their hanging? Way to be concerned about the Army

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All this week I'm staying at Kym's place in Leicester and am enjoying her company but seriously I have to make sure I watch QT this week, I get the feeling it's going to be a classic :D

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In all seriousness, it would be very interesting to get her perspective on this whole BNP thing. How does it feel to be accused of not being properly British?

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I'll give you my wife's perspective on it if you like. She's white and has been a British citizen for quite a few years now but was born in one of the more recent EU entry countries. She's always been conscious of being different especially when she speaks and her accent is evident. In recent years of course accents similar to hers have become far more common but when she first came here she felt a very obvious foreigner as people always commented on her accent and where she came from in one way or another. She has a pragmatic view on the subject as in her home country foreigners/ethnic minorities have traditionally been treated with suspicion and even hatred. I guess it's for this reason that hearing others say that people like her shouldn't be here isn't nice but doesn't bother her unduly. She knows and is proud of her roots, had made her choices and doesn't feel at all apologetic for doing so but does feel very grateful for being given that chance and is proud to be a British citizen.

Although she's felt very aware of her accent she'll tell you that she's never felt the victim of any real discrimination. Quite the reverse in fact, she finds the fact that she's been able to enjoy free educational courses and healthcare in the UK from the day she arrived here quite remarkable. Conversely, she felt very awkward when on my first trip to her country and we booked into a hotel, I was forced to pay a higher rate for my room than she was purely for being foreign! All in all, she's very happy to be here and feels this country has been very kind to her over the years. The fact that so many of her friends have come here and done similar would seem to bear out her experience.

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Good Post! An example of why I feel this is an awesome country.

It's a shame that such a culture of fairness and equality is something which the BNP and it's ilk treat with contempt and anger rather than pride :(

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Did you see the Panorama Hate On Your Doorstep episode? I think the most obvious thing it shows is that the buzz-words like diversity, multiculturalism, tolerance and equality are very much enforced rather than followed. That is probably the foremost thing feeding the BNP at the moment.

The nazi-generals comment shows quite well why the BNP need to be given airtime and need to have a wide reasonable mainstream audience instead of just the usual far-right and the UAF lot.

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All I can say Osem, is that your wife has been extremely lucky. As a "white foreigner" myself, I have experienced some of the most awful bigotry and racism you could think of. When my family arrived here, we were faced with refusal of service in shops, openly refused accommodation and employment because of our race. We suffered verbal and physical abuse, some ignorant bigots would even spit at us in the street, especially after a terrorist incident.

So, it is not all warm and friendly in many places in Britain, it never has been. It's just that some areas are better at hiding it than others.

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My family and I came to the UK in 1975. I was almost 6 at the time. We lived in Southfields, south London - a pretty nice area. Growing up I do remember being called a paki, at secondary school some older kids even tried to force bacon down my mouth. The bacon incident was a common thing happening to a lot of the asian pupils in the school. This was in 1982.

Between 1984 and 1990 my parents bought a corner shop. My mum ran this on her own following a divorce, and I can honestly say that we were subjected to racist incidents every week. The work paki was a common insult, by the way all my sisters were born in Mozambique, our parents born in India.

Following the gulf wars I have been spat on on a crowded tube (no one said anything) and I have walked into a pub with some friends, only for drinkers to say, "we dont want any arabs in here". There have still been occurences in recent times where I have been called a Paki - but to a lot thats ok because "its only an abbreviation of Pakistani". Last week my aunt and uncle were telling me they were about to board a train in Horley (Surrey), and a young white guy with some dogs on a lead pushed infront of them and muttered "its dogs before Pakis" My uncle is 70 - he spent 20 years working for Scotland Yard.

I would say that recently the racist element has been funnelling their hatred principally towards muslims. Even more worryingly this is not always as open as the BNP, but also subtly done by other main stream, elements.

For me this is the most worrying thing. A common consensus amongst a lot of disillusioned young men I talk to is not "Is it because Im asian?" but, "Is it because I'm muslim?". Before anyone steps in to say "muslims dont integrate etc etc and are bringing this upon themselves", I would say all the muslims I personally know are either working professionals or have their own businesses. They all contribute to the UK in terms of employing people, paying taxes, helping in the community, being involved in local and higher level goverment.

I love this country, I pay my taxes, my daughter was born here and as far as I'm concerned she is English. I have held a british passport - been a british citizen - since 1980. I, nor my family, have never claimed any handouts even though we were penniless when we arrived in the UK. I am not a unique case, the majority of muslims I know are the same. It's just a shame that recently we as muslims are made to feel that we have no place in this country unless we abandon our faith/culture.

The irony is that even those brown faced people who were once practising muslims and have abandoned Islam for the English culture that a lot of non muslims say we should adopt, - who drink, who go to bars, pubs & nightclubs, who eat pork, who change there names to English/westernern variations - even they wont be accepted by the racist element.

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When my family and I arrived in this country we were helped at all, least of all by the government or local concils. We faced prejudice and bigotry nearly every day. I doubt very much you have ever encountered signs on windows of shops saying, "no dogs, no Blacks, no Irish." My kid sister passed out in the street one day. My mother went in to a café to ask for a glass of water for her and was told, "get out, we don't want your sort in here."

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Other than isolated, often mis-reported, stories in the papers is there any actual statistical evidence of this trend? It seems to be a common refrain from people but one which they never back up or provide concrete examples of.

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How long has it been now since all that stopped?

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I think you would have been better asking when did he arrive in this country rather than talking about statistical evidence of this trend.

You are only 23 and therefore quite obviously unaware that such things as this used to happen in this country in the none to distant past.

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The trouble is anecdotal evidence isn't permitted for obvious reasons and the only examples we get in the media are the more extreme cases. So you can't win.

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You will never be accepted by the racist element, that's why they're the racist element.

I'm sorry to read about the extreme minority that have acted shamefully towards you and your family.

But they are the minority, the same way Islamic extremists that preach hate and death are the minority and not representative of the majority.

I'm certain that any non-white person in the UK will have been subjected to some form of racial mal-treatment at some time. All we can do is keep trying to eradicate it.

A woe is me approach doesn't achieve anything.

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Yes I am younger than some people. Thankfully it was not with my birth that record keeping and statistics began.

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Again I'm sorry to hear that, but that is not representative of this nation as a whole. I'm sure many of thousands of people of all religions, race, sex, sexuality, size, ability and looks get abuse and discriminated against every day.

Should we just sit around and wallow in our self pity? or give them the finger and get on with it and ignore them for the insignificant retards they are.

Gettitng on with it, is what the British are best at.

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It hasn't stopped at all, it has just shifted to another race.

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Anecdotal evidence, either personal or from the media, is worthless and it only shows a single case. Often exaggerated or fabricated. Who gets social housing would be a matter of public record however. If it is true that immigrants jump the queue then their would be evidence of such:

• A substantially higher rate of success for immigrants in applying for these houses. Proportionate to the make up of the waiting list.
• A government/social policy decreeing that those granted asylum should have priority access to council housing.

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Yes but what he says did actually happen and if you had asked the question he could have told you when.

Statistics do not come into it as it is a part of our history that we like to brush under the carpet.

We were never as bad as the United States but that is how some of our immigrants were once treated by people who are probably the forefathers of our present bigoted members of society.

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Hang on. I am talking about the immigrants get all the houses stuff. Not racism..

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If ignoring it was the answer, why is this thread so long? If we were going to ignore Fuhrer Griffin, we wouldn't be seeing him on Question Time, would we?

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I agree that they are the minority. I don't think that the majority of people in the UK are racist and I also see that there are groups and elements within the UK camapigning against racism.

What I am seeing is that Islam is now an easy target in this country, and it's one that's growing. The other thing I will agree with is yes, we have to accept that the racist element is a minority that doesn't represent the people of Great Britain as a whole, but similarly non muslims should accept that extremists/fundamentalists do not represent Islam as a whole.

Just have a look at any 'anti Islamic' thread on this forum. It only takes someone to post a link to 200 muslims marching to Westminister wanting Sharia Law in the UK, and within seconds the thread deteriotes into "Muslims should leave the UK","we support terrorists", "we hate the army","if they don't like it here they can get out" blah blah blah. If the views of people like Ginge51, Escapee aren't representative of the majority, then surely the same should apply to views of those particular muslims too.

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It has stopped. the other thing is something else.

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I know what you are talking about but I am refering to your previous post regards anecdotal evidence and supposition nothing else as this did happen in this country in the 1950's as per this link from the Commission for Racial Equality http://www.journeyfolki.org.uk/Commu...S/Default.aspx

Where it states on the bottom left

Prejudice and overt discrimination are the daily experience of Gypsy and Traveller people. In an era in which it would now be unthinkable for landlords to use the No blacks, no Irish, no dogs signs of the 1950s, No Traveller signs are a frequent occurrence, despite constant challenge by the CRE.

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Ok. Still kind of confused because I am not saying that there was not discrimination against ethnic minorities in the past. Just that at the moment there is not a (racist) discrimination against Indigenous Britons which some claim there are.

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Apparently not. Damien is saying that reports of favourable treatment for immigrants are anecdotal. Not that reports of racism are anecdotal.

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:tu:

Good Stuff. I would link to the report from a more credible source but the report itself (although I haven't read it) seems to be from a credible place.

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I am confused here. Are you trying tell us that racism, bigotry and prejudice has ceased in the United Kingdom?

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Only the extreme examples that you mentioned earlier.

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What? Being spat at in the street? Being told, "get out, we don't want your sort in here?" Refused jobs and accommodation because of race? Are you seriously trying to tell people that no longer exists?

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Why don't you try my time machine. go back in time, and then come back to the present to compare the two.

Or you can stay where you are and just dwell about the past.

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These conversations are much more productive if people try to not get angry or emotional about it. Just avoid replying on impulse, remember the other person is a person and not a blob of text and be rational about it.

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Racism is just one preserve of the thug and if racism was eliminated tomorrow the thugs would move onto something else because they are thugs and look for any excuse to exercise their natural tendency. Where the bnp are having success is the younger generation who seem to have no idea of self beyond the "woe is me and everyone else is to blame for my problems" and that number seems to be growing. What worries me most is the way amongst a growing number of youngsters values which have long been held dearly in this country mean nothing to them they see no benefit to themselves in having them or upholding them.

While racism is predominately a white to other colours thing it does go the other way and more then many would like to believe or admit and until we can discuss racism without labelling one group as being responsible for it we will never really address the problem or solve it. While personally i would love to live somewhere that valued all as people first and race\culture second i am not that optimistic of that happening anytime soon.

We are dictated too when it comes to racial matters many will not be honest about their true feelings on the subject as they are afraid to be labeled or judged by their views and again we need everyone to be able to be honest and then address the root to solve it. Media has a part to play and hate rags like the daily mail are not and have no intention of helping in this or many other areas of social discord as that doesn't make for good headlines.

I often wonder how much of an agenda there is with some of our media much of it foreign owned and maybe there is a campaign of sorts amongst their owners to diminish the true values of this country and get us at each others throats.

Racism needs to be bought to the fore and be openly discussed without condemnation or judgement on those who hold views others don't like we have to address the immigration situation which is currently not under control and we simply don't have a clue about how many people are actually in te country. That is not to say any immigrant should suffer ill treatment or deserves to be treated badly they have come here for a better life and cannot be personally blamed for that.

As with many things the system is at fault and those who control the system immigration has been too rapid and on too large a scale in some areas and has massively contributed to the rise in support for the likes of the bnp.

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I agree with this.
we should have a nationwide survey, questions as to why you 'don't like them'

1: I'm a Kid/yob/thug that will call someone a paki, and throw stuff at them in the street just for the hell of it.
2: I think they get priority over the British people.
3: I own a Rover because I'm British.
4: They come here and want to change this country.
5: I grew up into the racist thing.

and then we should decide which ones warrant being called a Racist.

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Gary - a bit of advice.

Set your time machine coordinates to pop all the way back to June 17th 2009 and have a little look - you'll find that just because you think it no longer happens does not mean it no longer happens.

Ignorance is not bliss.

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I'm not ignorant. I know racism exists. but not at the extent of what it was in the 60's where someone describes, and to what I was referring to.

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So...is that a yes, or a no?

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And that gives them the excuse to act as racist thugs?

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If, as you say, it's not as extensive as the 60's then perhaps you'd care to explain to me how the UK now has democratically elected members of the BNP?

There is a difference between the openly racist window signs of the 50's 60's & 70's and the current racist mindset. Not too many people in today's age would be inclined to express such feelings via a sign in their living room window.

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It's still the same as I said earlier. only the extreme examples that you mentioned.
you changed the question of is it black or white, to can you get it in black though.

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No.
maybe they should fill out my nationwide survey.

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Because it's there to be elected?

Pfft! call themselves real racists?

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Now you are showing your ignorance Gary. The question was how, not why, they have been elected.

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I don't know, how?
because there's so much hate for another colour, or there's a lot of resentment to events that have occured or are occuring?

people want the right to be able to put signs up in their shop window saying non whites are not allowed?
or is that just a false generalistaion of a BNP member that we tell each other?

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Because of this governments apparent policy of uncontrolled immigration for the last 11years, and the previous government too.

Immigration is fine, but it has to be at a rate were the new immigrants can be assimilated into the population without throwing everthing else out of kilter.

What you have now are areas where white people are in the minority, they see their identity slipping away.

It's not the immigrants fault and it's not the populations fault, but it's a fact. There is no balance, and the major parties failure to address this is what has let the BNP get a foothold.

It's no good berated these people for voting BNP, 90% of these voters are not jackboot wearing skinheads. They are normal people, who are deparately concerned about their future and deparate people do desparate things.

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It's a thing called the "electorate", something most democratic countries have. They do a thing called "voting" during a thing called "elections" where they pick a party candidate whose manifesto is most closely suited to their way of thinkingâ„¢ (broadly speaking).

It would seem so, yes.

Well you see, they don't have to aspire to that now. What the big boys do nowadays is vote for people (see above) to express that sentiment on their behalf through constantly re-hashed , revised and amended manifestos and constitutions together with the occasional soiree with known right wing racist bully boys during their traipses to Brussells.

No Gary, most BNP members - certainly at party level, present company excepted, are too "dim" to either care about or know what they are supporting. That is a statement of fact which will doubtless dawn upon you and many of your fellow travellers (no pun intended) come Thursday night.

Prepare for enlightenment.


Thinkingâ„¢, when used in reference to the BNP and its membership, should not in any way be taken as suggesting rationalization.

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Reality is we have had too many immigrants come in too quickly without proper infrastructure to support them and in some areas services have gone to hell. Now if you had been a resident in those areas for 10-20 years seeing the decline in those services in your area who would you blame ??. I am not saying it is right but IT IS understandable and thats what has to be addressed either by the current lot in power or the next but what cannot continue to happen is to make out we are one happy little multicultural society and there "ain't no problem here guv".

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One that's there to be elected, then. just like I said.

I take it I'm an official BNP member then?

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Gary, you need to understand that there is a very distinct difference between the "methodology" and the "rationale" in this particular context. Such wisdom will come with age.

I don't know Gary, I would have hoped that if you were you'd have known.

Mind you, if it turns out that you find out that you are then my earlier reference to their members being particularly "dim" will have proven itself true.

On that basis I'd wager you'd qualify for free membership.

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https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2009/10/1.bmp

We
are
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worthy.......

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On a slightly more serious note, whilst browsing the ARmy Rumour SErvice website, I found this link asking Veterans to sign up for a petition on the lines of
Go on - you know it makes sense. ;)

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At least some one in this thread is talking sense

living in Newcastle upon tyne for the last 25 yrs i have witnessed a lot of changes mostly in the last 5yrs or so due to the large influx of migrants to the area .Probably the most obvious is the growth in open support for the BNP.I know many BNP supporters (i hasten to add i am not a member)who do NOT go around "paki bashing"or spitting at muslims or any other type of racist behavior ,they have simply lived in areas like Cruddas park or Benwell all their lives and cannot understand why a family from Poland or india or Afghanistan gets priority over them or their family in health or housing matters.In truth, i can't either.These people,and yes i openly admit to being one,look for a way of expressing their frustration at being ignored by our own government and at the moment ,for some ,the BNP is offering more than the tories ,libs or labour in matters that really worry them.
I am not a member of the BNP ,BUT i do support some of their beliefs,I believe all imigration should be stopped now to give the country time to build up a infrasructure capable of supporting more migrants
I do not support the idea that non indigenous people should be deported,i find that idea both stupid and unpractical for any number of reasons
I also find people who think that all BNP supporters are knuckle dragging thugs both ignorent and stupid .You don't have to be racist to support some of their ideas
I also know many pakistani people whose fathers and mothers emigrated here in the fifties and sixties and are just as worried about the immigration issue as we "white indigenous people are" because they can be just as racist as us white people

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I've always wondered if there was a party that wasn't anything like the BNP one we have, but just a party that was for the people who felt that other people were getting priority over them, would they be classed as a racist party, and would it's supporters?

A party that we knew for certain were nothing like the BNP.

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Wasn't that called the Labour Party?

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that's the whole problem gary ,most mainstream parties simply will not address the imigration issues, so at the moment the only party i am aware of is the BNP,maybe if the tories or labour would address these issues then they would get a lot more support .
It's not racism to want to curb or stop immigration or put you're own country first or look after the tax payers of a country before migrants

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those were the days Forever sadly no longer :(

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Well, the BNP it'll have to be then! :)

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:rolleyes:

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What about UKIP?

They are anti-EU & anti-immigration, but do not have the racist policies of the BNP.

Nope.

Although "it's not racism to want to curb or stop immigration or put your own country first or look after the tax payers of a country before migrants", it *is* racist to restrict your party's membership to White Britons only, it *is* racist to want to "repatriate" certain British Citizens "back" to their "countries of ethnic origin" simply because they are not White, it *is* racist to want to "stem & reverse the tide of non-white immigration", and so on...

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Well, if you are leaving one political party and joining the BNP, you will be raising the average IQ's of both organisations. :D

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Those are the reasons why i havn't joined the party but i am looking closely at UKIP in the run up to next years election ,just feel they need a bit more fire in their belly though seems like they are always overshadowed by the BNP ,probably more to do with the way the media love to report any and all comments by Griffin

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That's the one I think a lot of people want.

That's the BNP.

That's the BNP policy (one which I don't agree with at all, cuz it means losing Ian Wright) :)

That's The BNP.

We don't need the BNP. we just need a party that doesn't make the British public feel second class citizens in their own country, without there having to be an issue made about why people want this, I think.

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I don't feel like a second class citizen in my own country - why do you?

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Well I'm not a member of any political party. and as long as they're all as dumb as you seem to be, I probably never will :D

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that's it Gary i'll start one myself ,i'll call it

"The like the BNP but not quite " party;)

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yep

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Well nobody will accuse you of being a BNP supporter then.

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If a dimwit like Nick Griffin can lead a political party, what's stopping you from setting one up? Is the concept of pro-actively achieving your desire, foreign (pardon the pun) to you?

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Who are the first, third, fourth etc citizens?

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:LOL:

No skinheads in braces and Dr Marten's allowed. suit and tie preferred :)

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You appear to have misread my post - I didn't say

Why, do you? (as in "do you?")

I said

Why do you? (as in "why do you feel you (you specifically, not the general public) feel like a second class citizen?"

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Unlike you, then....

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I don't think that, at all.

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Basil fawlty ...leader
Nick leeson....chancelor
Arthur Daley ...home office
this woman ....party whip




https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2009/10/17.jpg

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[QUOTE=foreverwar;34895021]You appear to have misread my post - I didn't say

Why, do you? (as in "do you?")

I said

Why do you? (as in "why do you feel you (you specifically, not the general public) feel like a second class citizen?"



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sorry Forever ,
i can't seem to get a doctors appointment unless i phone at 8am and hope there is a slot, a few years ago i used to be able to phone and make a appointment after work or before on the day it best suited
All the taxes i pay keep on going up ,wages don't
The gov i helped elect seem to pay more attention to global warming ,famine victims in africa ,fighting other peoples wars ect than helping ordinary working people
i could go on but it would get boring

should probably add that i lay all of this at the govs door for allowing to much immigration too quick

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[QUOTE=martyh;34895029]Basil fawlty ...leader
Nick leeson....chancelor
Arthur Daley ...home office
this woman ....party whip




https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2009/10/17.jpg

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Is this a **** take?

What does your doctor's surgery chosen choice of appointment system have to do with anything? My surgery runs that way, and has done for as long as i can remember - foolish me for not realising it's the epitome of "broken Britain".

You haven't agreed, disagreed or even mentioned anything about the BNP's economic and tax policies, yet this is clearly a big issue for you. What are they? Or rather, why haven't you mentioned them?

Combating global warming and helping innocent starving and dieing people, instead of forcing your local surgery to make it easier for you to make a GP appointment. What a bunch of *******s!

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Is this a **** take?

What does your doctor's surgery chosen choice of appointment system have to do with anything? My surgery runs that way, and has done for as long as i can remember - foolish me for not realising it's the epitome of "broken Britain".

You haven't agreed, disagreed or even mentioned anything about the BNP's economic and tax policies, yet this is clearly a big issue for you. What are they? Or rather, why haven't you mentioned them?

Combating global warming and helping innocent starving and dieing people, instead of making it easier for you to make a GP appointment. What a bunch of *******s![/QUOTE]


you have to realise that most doctors surgeries run that way BECAUSE there are not enough recources to manage the thousands of immigrants that have suddenly decended on them .These are immigrants who have paid no tax ,no n.i contributions and you wonder why this bothers me

why would i want to comment on a parties tax policies when all parties tax policies are up in the air at the moment .As it happens the policy to stop foriegn aid is quite apealling but to give it a time line of "untill there is no more need among British people"is stupid

As for your comments on global warming ..have you never heard of priorities? it's no good giving millions to foriegn aid (however laudible)when the country owes billions in debt ,do that when we can afford it,and i'm sorry but global warming is the last thing on my mind when i have to worry about making this months mortgage or council tax bill

And yes i would like it easier to make a doctors appointment beause i pay my tax and n.i and have done so since leaving school

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Nick Griffin speaks some sense, but so do most politicians when it comes to wanting our votes. What they do when they actually get in power is talk a load of *******s, and break their promises.

I'm not going to be fooled by any of them ever again. You live and learn, you live and learn.

Anyway, this all won't matter come 2012 :D

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*******s. Most surgeries now run that way because of the amount of appointments wasted by people failing to turn up or cancelling at the last minute. You call on the day so it's almost certain you actually attend.
What difference resources wise, does pre-arranged or on-the-spot appointment making cause? If anything, it requires more resources with this system. To link it to immigration is pure logical fallacy.

None of their policies are up in the air. Read their manifesto.

We can already afford it, and every country is in debt.
Fortunately, not everybody is as selfish and short-sighted as you clearly are.

Then protest to your local GP and try and get them to change their system.

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No party will suggest any policy that is not politically correct. apart from the BNP of course.

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What's your political party going to be called?

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BNPC
British Non Political Correctness party?

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Only reason the bnp seem a credible alternative to some is because race and immigrastion in the Uk are the two big no no subjects for the mainstream partys as they don't want to be tarnished as racist. We have to start talking about it and sorting it out but in no way shape or form is the bnp the answer to either of the problems and the way they would deal with the two issues is completely unacceptable.

Many do not feel secure in their identity in this country and the sudden influx of immigrants and the problems that causes seem to further erode that feeling but that is not the problem of the immigrants themself rather a problem with the residents themselves and their lack of seeking in many cases an identity.

I do think education has a part to play that i am not sure it plays right now and from my own experience my kids were taught more about other cultures then they were about their own something that maybe needs to be addressed. What we need in this country is an identity that is easy for the natives to understand and be taught and understanding of other cultures but at a time when the numbers of other people of different culture is under control.


And when said people are secure in their own identity. Bnp represents hate and intolerence which is not the answer understanding is but it has to be done far far better then it has been done to date and people must be bought along willingly in that process not forced as many feel at the minute.

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You do realise that a lot of surgeries are only working because of the immigrant doctors that are running them don't you.....

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What this discussion has to do with doctors surgeries is puzzling

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Apart from the rest of your rather incoherently absurd rant; where do families from Poland, India or Afghanistan get priority in health and housing over you white folk? A recent survey produced evidence that no non British race gets priority over housing, in proportion to their representation. I can understand your misperception, regarding housing, because you presumably have been brainwashed by the British Nazi Party's propaganda, but I can't see how you think that other races are being given priority over health issues. Do doctors come out of their surgeries and say, "next non-British patient, please."