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I didn't say that.

No-one said it's fair. It is the way of the world though. Any decision is bound to impact on others, and there will always be a tradeoff between people's interests. Number of people affected will feed into that tradeoff.

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Not a Labour supporter however I do think that producing something as an end product of your work is worth more than just providing a service that does not improve peoples life.

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Very blinkered, sad and embittered view,

Firstly Fox Hunting does improve peoples lives as it gives them enjoyment, whioch is one of the most important commodities in living.

A life without enjoyment is a sad and empty life.

Now doubt you feel the same way about:

Dance instructors
Actors
Comedians
Artists
Atheletes
Footballers (all sportsmen in general)
etc,etc,etc

Let alone all the people that workm in the countrys various service industries.

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True, but I interpreted that you stood on that side of the argument.

This is the issue though.

The peoples interests weren't taken into account.

The government for their own reasons wanted to ban fox hunting, I don't think the vast majority of people in the country cared.

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http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/im...ons/icon14.gifNow thats what I call, talking sense.....

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An end product does not need to be a tangible physical object.

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Precisely! I and my friends certainly didn't.The only people who were worried were those who indulge in the most widely practised sport of Angling because they were wondering if they would be targeted next.It is very noticeable that the fishing community have been left alone for all this time so I still maintain it was a vote against 'Toffs' much more than it was about protecting the foxes.:erm:

When a government starts out by banning something we should all worry because once they get a taste for it,it's not long before they are looking for the next issue to ban.

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You're right although I think they've always got one eye on the electorate. I doubt if labour would lose votes by banning fox hunting but the poplularity of angling has a far less distinctive social divide.

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It always make me laugh, when people mention, by killing animals it ' murder ' Foxes are vermin they spread desease, they kill other animals, l suppose when l worked for a deep cleaning company and was killing vermin l am a murder, have some sense and come into the real world, fox hunts gets rid of foxes, it is as simple as that, this has been going on for donkeys years, so why get aggreaved at it now.

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They've been killing donkeys!

Barstewards

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You have never heard the expression 'donkeys years'

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Hi foreverwar, For the first time ever, you have me stuck for words, what were those piictures for

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don't worry Arthur it's just Forever's sense of humor getting the better of him again

still quite funny Forever ;)

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I deliberately used the term improve someone's life when referring to the service industry. Even staff in a supermarket make life easier for people by providing the things we need.
Dance instructors - keep us fit (life improving).
Actors - Provide escapism keeping us sane (life improving)
Comedians - Make us laugh (life improving)
Artists - Add richness to the mundane (life improving)

General sports people (not overpaid footballers) - give us something to aspire to (life improving).

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With an opinion like the above Arthur all I can say is thank god your not on my side of the arguement.

I take it you disagree with the banning of bear-baiting Arthur? I mean that too had been going on for donkeys years until it was banned, so therefore by your logic there was nothing wrong with it.
If you were to read the vast majority of the anti's posts you'd have realized that people don't have a problem with humanely dispatching "problem" foxes, what tends to irk is the fact that morons want to take pleasure in the terrorizing and killing of an animal.
How on earth can any compassionate person argue for such a barbaric practise? especially in the name of "sport".

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Yes I have always maintained it was a vote against the toffs, if they were generally concerned with animal welfare they'd have done some thing about battery chickens.

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Is bear baiting banned, bit pointless if it is, we killed of all our bears centuries ago, Arthur baiting on the other hand seems to be thriving :)

A statistic which caught my eye years back was on the first day of hunting after the ban was brought in more foxes we killed than in the entire years previous hunts.

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Dog fighting and Male Chicken fighting were banned ages ago and these were predominantly working class activities.

Wonder how many rabbits there would be without the foxes?

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Shooting, fish, barrel... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

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ROFL

NO it was to kill things

hunts were breeding foxes to chase because nature was all ready limiting their numbers

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and another predominantly working class activitiy, hare coarsing was banned recently

Wonder how many more cats there would be also.

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Not sure it was due to nature, more a historic practice I believe, either way it doesn't really help their cause though.

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Grrr I don't like foxes but I dislike the amount of parlimentary time that's been wasted on the issue over the years even more (over 700 hours IIRC) and now when the issue has finally been put to bed Dave Cameron wants to see the thing put back to square one.

"My own view is the hunting ban is a bad piece of legislation, it hasn't worked, it has made a mockery of the law, a lot of time was wasted on it, and I think we would be better off without it

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...nting-ban.html

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on the jeremy vine show bbc radio 2
he was discussing iner city fox hunting the other day..
this involves chasing down street foxes with packs of dogs such as pit bulls /rottweilers etc ,dogs that have been turned into vicious killing machines so people can indulge in yet another "sport" .

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Read upto page five of this thread and living in the country most of my life a couple of things struck me. One foxes do not just kill what they need they will kill everything in a given area i have seen it with chickens and even lambs when there are a couple of them. Foxes are not the cute little fluffy things many people believe them to be in the nice big towns and citys they are a nuisance and can be a big problem.

Two fox hunts didn't always manage to catch a fox and that wasn't strictly the point of them. Main point was to put caution into the fox population making them wary to go beyond a certain area and keep them from spreading something that since the ban they have done in many many areas. Where i live i can look out my window any night and see at least two foxes roaming and when they can killing cats. They have a little routine which seems to work well for them.

Opposite my house is a secondary school with a nice big gate and everynight the foxes will come out walk across the little car park and hide behind the pillars and wait for a stupid cat and when one comes near through the gate it goes and the fox walks back to it's home with a fresh cat. This issue did not need to be addressed in the way it was but labour has a simple mantra "if we don't like it ban it" and this along with a few other things was a victim of that.

Personally i would prefer the hunts to start up again so the foxes would bugger off out of the town taking with them the killing of people's pet cats and the mess they make everytime someone doesn't put a binbag in the wheelie bin and i wouldn't miss them at all.

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Too true.

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Well, the ban only got through parliament because some of the crusty old Labourites are still waging a class war against the 'toffs'. Perhaps someone should point out to them that hunting foxes with dogs is now an acceptable working class pastime. I bet they'd repeal the ban in a instant.

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the hunts wont stop that and fox migration in to urban areas was happening long before hunting stopped and could arguably been because of the less likely hood of being hunted

as to foxes killing everything in an area lol what do you expect if you herd together a load of food whether it be a fox ferret or dog that got loose in a hen house not much would survive

as to lambs that's what we used to have shepherds for ;) again if you put a plentiful food source in an enclosed area then its likely a predator will kill many

fox hunting isn't the way to solve any of those problems and in any case often they had to breed foxes to hunt because the area was being used mainly for crop farming

going back to a barbaric way of hunting for pleasure for that is all it was is taking us backwards and gives us less moral grounds to opose other countries maltreatment of animals

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Well Roger when we had regular hunts where i live we had no foxes in town and it isn't just my opinion that the hunts stopped them it is the opinion of many of the local farmers and land workers who i speak to quite often. As to your point of foxes being bred for hunts i don't know about where you live but it never happened here as there was always plenty of them to be hunted though not nearly as many as there are now.

Also most animals in the wild will kill what they need and having 200 chickens in a 2 acre field is hardly what i call squahed into a small area either. This issue like all issues will have those that support it and those that do not, i support it you don't and by the sounds of it we both have differeing experiences supporting that stance.

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As already mentioned any predator will kill what it can & come back for the rest later but they are usually denied the opportunity. All I can say on the cat subject is that you must have some really weedy cats in your area. There is a cute fluffy cat that lives near me & the Foxes won't even pass her if she is blocking their route, they take a long detour.
Personally I find the behaviour of many so called 'civilised' humans far more repugnant than those of wild creatures whose only aim is survival.

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Sorry Rizzy but there has never been a hunt round here and we've been infested with urban foxes for 40 years.The reason we get foxes here is the way in which we live cheek by jowl and there is always a bin or rubbish bag for them to raid and even saps on hand who feed them.The result is a bunch of mangy animals that are a threat to anyone trying to keep rabbits or hens or any kind of pet.

I'm also bemused by one friend who feeds the foxes but sets out a trap for his local squirrel?Weird!

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Yes we have a family that puts out food for the damn things as well because they are cute :rolleyes:.

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Got news for you chaps, the country is in a right old mess and we the majority of the country don't want a seconds more parlimentary time wasted on this issue.

Hunt organisers have told supporters that the sport needs a decisive Conservative victory – Mr Cameron is expected to allow MPs a free vote on letting traditional hunting resume

Thank goodness such a decisive victory is unlikely then......


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...o-1929969.html

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Leaving aside the likelihood of a hung Parliament ...

Isn't it comforting that a simple free vote on the issue will put it to bed in next to no time, rather than the palaver we had with Blair eating up huge amounts of Parliamentary time on the issue as a sop to keep his lefty backbenchers under the NuLabour thumb.

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Good find though Daddy. This bit is quite telling:

This is what happens when democracy is used as a fig leaf to disguise naked class prejudice.

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will the fox population get a vote ?;)

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Only if my neighbour's chickens get one as well. ;)

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I am only sad that i can no longer see well enough to shoot the vermin.

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Will they fox! ;)

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the vermin as in foxes or as in fox hunt supporters?

a friend of my dads has just been cleared of manslaughter of a hunt supporter. He was monitored a drag hunt using a gyrocopter. A hunt supporter then followed to confront him when he landed and literally lost his head

At the end of the day there are humane methods of maintaining the fox population and hunting with dogs was never efficient anyway. Barbaric to say the least chaing an animal till it can run no more then a pack of dogs tearing it apart hmmmm sporty

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Well I only ever shot a fox when it was killing animals on the farm where I lived. Mind you if I caught a burgler or something I honestly don't know if I'd have shot them too. Most likely have just shot over their head to scare them off.

Mind you it's all different now so who knows.

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Why on earth will they even consider bringing it back? Has anyone actually asked the Tories if this is the case because I'ld be surprised if they would want to bring this vote up. It seems a step backward to re-introduce the practise. Effectively torturing animals for fun is barbaric!

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Population control and protection of livestock is one thing, using dogs to rip them apart, is another.

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Can't argue with that Damian.

Applying that as the reason for banning foxhunting, why is angling allowed?

Oh and horse racing, greyhound racing, pigeon fancying,crufts...... :shrug:

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well I do think your reasoning is flawed there. The last examples hardly leave an animal ripped apart do they. Angling has never floated my boat;) but I am told the fish does not feel pain but I do think its a cruel sport

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It saddens me how the mostly urban population of this country is so ready to legislate on countryside issues when the extent of their briefing on said issues amounts to a few dimly-recollected bedtime stories.

One carnivore tearing another to shreds isn't 'torture'. It's what happens. It's nature. Tell you what, next time one of the chickens in next door's run gets 'tortured' by Brer Fox, I'll post a photo of it for you, shall I?

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Well a load of psychos in red coats won't get my vote.

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Cheshire Forest Hunt point to point is at Tabley House 11th of April if anyone fancies it. Come along and support the hunt.

The Cheshire Hunts is the week following I believe, same venue.

See you there.

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so you are telling me the hounds do not get fed regularly and the only food they eat is what they catch in the hunts?

A fox sees a chicken as food they are wild animals hunting that is nature

The hound is a domestic creature no longer wild fed and looked after by the owners. Now if they used a wild pack of Wolves then the hunt would be survival of the fittest

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It's population/pest control for sport. I don't think I am wrong there am I? Also I don't think it was made illegal to kill foxes to protect livestock, just the manor of chasing them and then setting the dogs on them? The first is quick, the latter would distress the animal and then led to a slow death?

No you don't need to post a picture, but animals acting barbaric towards other animals doesn't give us licence to do the same to them does it? Dog's fighting each other is also nature but it's outlawed for humans to train and make them fight for sport, and rightly so.

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It is population/pest control, yes. It is also sport, yes. Two different aims that are met by the same process. As for 'distress', well during the whole debate over the Act, 540 members of the Royal College of Vet Surgeons signed up to the statement that:

"Hunting with hounds is the natural and most humane way of controlling the population of all four quarry species" (the quarry species being mink, deer, fox and hare).

http://www.vet-wildlifemanagement.or...d=30&Itemid=32

... so, it seems, a lot of people who have expert knowledge of the subject disagree with you.

There you go with the anthropomorphism again. It's so ingrained in your approach to the subject that you don't even realise you're doing it. One animal cannot act with barbarity towards another. That is a moral judgement on behaviour that simply cannot apply.

For centuries, humans have harnessed and used properly trained animals for a wide variety of tasks. Using a dog to kill a fox is in no way different than using a dog to round up sheep.

Dogs fighting each other is natural, yes, and within a pack of - say - hunting dogs, a degree of fighting may take place as a social order is established. Such fighting between dogs that are under human ownership is not outlawed, and nor should it be.

Fighting in a ring between dogs that have been deliberately bred and brutalised in order to force them to behave contrary to their usual nature is an entirely different matter and is rightly illegal. However you are going to have to do a lot more work to convince me that this sort of fighting is in any way analogous with the practice of hunting with dogs, other than the entirely superficial application of the label 'sport'.

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you are right Chris its not the animals that are barbaric its the Huntsmen

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I don't believe that harnessing one animal's natural characteristics to derive some benefit for human activity is barbaric.

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It is when doing so is inefficient, causes unnecessary suffering to other animals and there are far more humane and efficient methods of deriving said benefits.

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As posted above, a large number of experts disagree with the assertion that hunting with dogs is inefficient and causes unnecessary suffering.

And since when was the only legal means of achieving an aim the one that Parliament legislates to be the most efficient?

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what makes it barbaric is the human bloodlust. The very fact that an act that is meant to lead to death and is considered a sport says it all .

I do understand that fox's etc need to be controller to protect crops but I do not agree these types of hunt are the best way

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Your joking Cruffs has helped leave dogs in great pain for generations, taken years of their lives and generally made some breeds no than walking freak shows.

The BBC could stop showing Crufts after a documentary exposed the diseases and deformities suffered by many of Britain's 5million pedigree dogs.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ak-breeds.html

The RSPCA no longer has anything to do with them either

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle4761471.ece

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Nice use of emotive language there, most hunts last 20 mins and one dog kills it IIRC

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tippy toes away as fast as her feet can move...:tiptoe:

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I do not agree with that level of breeding although I so not see blood and guts and initiates wiping blood down their faces at Crufts but I do agree it is wrong

Just showing me that humans can do horried things isnt likely to change my opinion is it? its just likely to add to the list of nasty things I know mankind do

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I am not trying to change your opinion, I like the ban, more foxes have been killed since it started than at any other time in British history I'd imagine, for instance on the first day of hunting after the ban more were killed than in the entire previous years hunts put together, it's just a shame imo that we cant do some thing about the urban fox to.

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Fox's are vermin and should be culled, if people want to take sport whilst doing it, it's fine by me.

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i thought that was townies who move to the country..

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I thought we were supposed to be the rational, intelligent & evolved species on the planet but seems I am wrong after reading some of the comments. People seem to positively revel in the cowardly destruction of another species with overwhelming force. It says a lot about our inherent violent nature.

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Its the tory way , just look at some of the ways certain tory posters attack none tories even when then the story isn't about the forthcoming election, just a persons beliefs will have them straining at the leash against their views just because their political views are opposite :D doesn't surprise me one bit though, i know what they stand for and its not nice.

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wrong Chris ,one carnivore tears another apart to eat it ,thats nature
if your neighbour doesn't the fox to get his chickens then he should build a better chicken pen

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That's right, bjorkii - all Tories like hunting foxes, just like all Labour voters live in terraces and wear flat caps and keep whippets (when they're not out hare-coursing), and all Liberals knit muesli and wear home-woven clothing and sandals.

It must nice in your world of cliches and stereotypes, which mean you don't actually have to think about anything, just recycle diatribes and invective.;)

Have you thought of leaving the Labour Party and joining the BNP - that way, the average IQ of both parties would be raised......

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except the sheep dog doesn't kill the sheep

the fact is chris we live in 2010 now not the dark ages there are more efficient ways of pest controll ,30 dogs in a pack followed by 20 horses (which also get injured alot by the way)is in no way the most efficient way of pest controll .

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Have you thought about people having opposite political ideas than yours rather than attacking them like a rabid fox hunter :D , nuts whole hazel nuts they get stuck in my teeth they do.

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:rofl::rofl::rofl::LOL::LOL::LOL::bump::bump:

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:clap:

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i think we need a new "touching forlock" smilie for when us "townies" are conversing with the upper class ;)

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Considering i am a Tory voter i should be a rabid fox hunter but i am not. In fact i was in front of the beck in my younger days for walloping a fox hunter :), And i would do it again tomorrow if i had the chance. :)

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Sure you are :), i believe everything a tory says.

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What ever, However that's fine coming from a liebour supporter :LOL:

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I would have thought hunting rabid foxes was a good thing, rather than letting them live and spread a pernicious virus.

Re nuts getting stuck in your teeth - may I suggest you crush your nuts with a mallet.

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Personally I can't see the Tories touching this issue with a bargepole if they win the election, they are well aware the majority of the public are against hunting and that most seem satisfied with the status quo.
I'd guess they'd use the excuse that there isn't enough parliamentary time to revisit hunting at present what with everything else we want to do.
Going back to what the hunters want would certainly be a step backwards in my opinion, irrespective of what any of the pro-hunting lobby say it "is" a barbaric practice, how can chasing down an animal with a pack of baying dogs in anyway be called sport?
There must be something missing in these peoples lives if their idea of pleasure is terrorizing and killing a living creature for fun.

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.22 rimfire works for me ;)

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The majority couldn't give a toss about hunting, it doesn't impact on their lives in anyway and they have much more pressing concerns to worry about.

Well let's hope so

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Theirs a lot of humans that are vermin buy we don't kill them by dogs ripping them a part, since whens killing a sport.

All fox hunting is for people with a lot of money to make themselves feel tough as they have little balls to actually do real tough things, up themselves, same here Sirius if I was face to face with a fox hunter he would get one right in the nose.

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Not exactly the same definition of vermin I'd use, I reckon you might get into trouble if you started laying down poison and traps for human 'vermin'
Plus it isn't really a sport is it?

I can't recall Sky sports broadcasting the world championships of fox hunting? Or beagles being transferred between hunts for multi-million pound deals.

It's like fishing, deer stalking, game shooting and all manner of other countryside pursuits that have been going on for years until people who don't know one end of a rifle from another (sadly) decided that mr foxy-woxy was too cute and cuddly to be a vicious killer and only needed a bit of direction in life to stop being naughty.

What happens to the fox at the end of the hunt is not pretty but thats life, a deer who doesn't get killed outright during a stalk isn't pretty, same as gamebirds that get winged or fish left wriggling after their heads get bashed in on the side of a boat.

I've never been on a hunt but I'm pretty sure the majority aren't swanning about in gold-plated range rovers. Instead they are people who live and work in the country and know how things work.

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That's certainly the case with the hunt that meets just down the road from me.
Most of them are customers of mine and in no way do they have a lot of money.

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You reckon? Welcome to the latest urban sport:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...y-streets.html

;)

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Pest control is usually more efficient than Hunting. Hunting exists purely for the "entertainment" of it's participants. Nothing to do with keeping fox populations down..

When was the last time you saw a rat catcher turning up with a many other people (all on horses) and a load of dogs?

I actually have no problem with pest control. Foxes *are* a problem in some areas, and certainly *aren't* the cute and fluffy slightly wilder cousin of dogs that the anti fox hunting lobby would have us believe. I've seen what foxes can do to other animals. What I do have a problem with is the barbaric spectacle of Hunting.

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:clap:

I personally think the only reason this act was passed was because the cutesy,wutsey brigade got together with the anti snob guard and got their way.

I'm against fox hunting only because it's a very inefficient and cruel way of culling animals.In the 21st century we don't need it to control animal numbers when we have so much technology and rather more humane and smarter ways to cull a species that over breeds it's food supply. Far better a few healthy specimens living within the food-chain than too many with mange and other diseases associated with over breeding. I certainly haven't got anything against country folk actually controlling fox numbers.Foxes are NOT an endangered species.

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Hunting in general, or Fox Hunting specifically Stuart ?

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Depends what you mean by hunting. If you mean one man, one gun and one animal, then I have no particular problem with it.

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I guess thats ok then, but I maybe should tell you that I've been paid in the past to hunt Big Game. ;)

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It's not so much the killing I object to (I eat meat, it would be hypocritical of me to object to people killing animals), it's more the show that fox hunts put on around it, which has sometimes resulted in the deaths of innocent animals (even pets).

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You obviously have never had a chicken coup attacked by the fantastic Mr Fox?

A fox will kill every chicken it sees, it may eat one.

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Not the kind of vermin I had in mind, but not a bad idea.

Hunting is sport, you don't have to get medals and run round a track. The sport is in the chase and possible outcome that the fox can escape.

Ah the haves v the so called have nots.

There is a whole industry based around the sport of fox hunting, I suppose the dog keeper is rich? the stable hands are rich? the people that work in the factories that produce the riding equipment, they're rich too?

I suppose we should ban Bentleys and Rolls Royces too, I mean they're only "for people with a lot of money to make themselves feel" superior? give them a Kia, rich b***ards

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The answer for -->

:dozey:

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Elephants? Tigers?

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Ever been to a grouse shoot? that's quite a big show.

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I used fox hunting as an example. The fact I did not mention any other living creature being hunted does not mean I automatically approve of it. I thought I was quite clear that I don't object to hunting as such, just the kind of hunting that requires many people, horses, dogs etc..

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then build a better chicken pen

i would imagine that the fox once he has managed to pick the lock on the pen will get pecked and attacked by the chickens so he will kill them to defend himself ,remember the fox is an animal do not credit him with the same inteligence and thirst for killing that we humans have he relies on instinct not thought and planning

Quote:

Hunting is sport, you don't have to get medals and run round a track. The sport is in the chase and possible outcome that the fox can escape.

not a very efficient way of culling a pest then if it has a chance of escaping

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Actually it's extremely efficient. It is the best means available for ensuring only the strongest foxes survive - thereby simultaneously controlling population numbers but also ensuring those that do survive have the best genes, which is in the long-term interests of the species and the ecosystem. You can't fathom all that out whilst looking down a gunsight.

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I used to go fox hunting when I was younger, loads of us would gallop after one fox but only one ever got the kill :( more if she was a proper tart :shocked:

Someone said 'one gun one animal' then someone said about Elephants or Tigers, If I was on Belmont moor hunting rabbit and a soddin Tiger jumped out then it would get one between the eyes, I would let the Elephant walk past as its clearly lost :rolleyes:

AS for fox hunting, I agree with banning the packs of hounds in the hunt but not with the whole hunting with dogs thing.
How else can a person go Dogging in an evening :angel:

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You don't need your own dog. you use somebody elses :)

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Chris with all respect i think you're grasping at straws ,farmers and landowners with chickens ,pheasants ,poultry in general don't care about letting the strongest fox survive ,they're the ones they want killed ,ten men with ten guns will do the job they want ,and isn't that why it's done in the first place ? to get rid of a pest to farmers

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

Do you need to understand exactly why green vegetables are good for you before you can eat them? Of course not. It's good to eat them whether or not you know about vitamins. It's the same with the point I made above. Population control by hunt is a better means of ensuring the quality of the gene pool than population control by rifle. That's a fact, whether the farmers know or care about it or not.

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

i understand your point ,but that isn't what the farmers want they just want the fox dead ,not worried about the fox gene pool ,don't want healthy fit and intelligent foxes just dead ones

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

I just think its sick and if you want to watch some animal ripped a part then your sick in the head imho, I don't see the need for it, why are the chickens left somewhere the fox can get them.

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They're not - they are usually kept in a coop at night, and the fox digs under the wire to get to them.

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thats what i keep asking how come a fox finds it so easy to get into a chicken pen ,no answer yet ,and as that seems to be the only justification for fox hunting i don't expect one

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

If the fox is really unlucky he breaks into this ONE