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Matty_ 17-08-2009 20:19

Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 34856148)
It appears from the news tonight, that Jermaine Defoe was nick again last night by the same force that nick him a few days ago.

Sounds like they have taken a real disliking to Defoe, which is not really surprising as he is taking them to court (i think!). Also whenever i`ve seen him interviewed, which was a while back he came across as a bit of a "Don`t you know who i am" type.
Wonder if there having a bet down at the pig pen :)

arcamalpha2004 17-08-2009 21:14

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Originally Posted by Matty_ (Post 34856094)
When will Senior Benitez come to the conclusion that zonal marking is absolute rubbish, the number of goals Liverpool concede due to poor play at set pieces is ridiculous. Surely the players would prefer to mark a man each then they know where there at.
Stop anyone from getting a run at the ball, John Terry stops attackers getting there head to the ball by pushing, shoving, holding, etc, surely someone like Carragher would be the main man for this, in this zonal system he is wasted imo.


Matty, I think the league table from last season proves a point.
Liverpool conceded three more goals than Man Utd and Chelsea.
I think Benitez hears all the critisism of the marking system he uses but he wont change his mind, because lets face it, at the end of the day, he survives or fails by his decisions.
I look at it this way, it was the draws that cost Liverpool last season, the system of marking is way down my list.
And lets face it, if Carragher was used in the same way Terry is, Carragher would be off the pitch more than on it, he would not be so lucky to get away with it.

Arthurgray50@blu 17-08-2009 21:36

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Hi Matty, it would make matters wosre for Defoe, if the coppers who nick him again were Arsenal fans:D

Derek 17-08-2009 21:41

Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 34856148)
It appears from the news tonight, that Jermaine Defoe was nick again last night by the same force that nick him a few days ago.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/8205992.stm

Being stopped for a roadside check is hardly the same as being nicked. Besides as a footballer he was probably driving like a tadger anyway. :)

arcamalpha2004 17-08-2009 21:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Derek S (Post 34856235)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/8205992.stm

Being stopped for a roadside check is hardly the same as being nicked. Besides as a footballer he was probably driving like a tadger anyway. :)


I think his reason for sueing the police is the constant times he is stopped by police, apparently the police apologised saying it was a data inputting error :erm:
So all footballers drive like " Tadgers " Derek?
Why bother with the court system? just hang them hey ? ;)

NO ONE 17-08-2009 22:18

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Saints Score on Was Bad we Shude of won that Match:o::td:

Arthurgray50@blu 17-08-2009 22:42

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I think that Harry, will be getting nervous, he has had two players stopped Bentley and Defoe, probabley Harry will make them catch the bus.

nffc 17-08-2009 22:51

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Originally Posted by NO ONE (Post 34856260)
Saints Score on Was Bad we Shude of won that Match:o::td:

Not As Bad As Your Grammar :rolleyes: :erm:

Derek 17-08-2009 23:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by arcamalpha2004 (Post 34856241)
I think his reason for sueing the police is the constant times he is stopped by police, apparently the police apologised saying it was a data inputting error :erm:

Going wildly off-topic he has been stopped twice.
Once because he was shown as being disqualified (which he is, the disqualification suspended barring an appeal, not about him speeding, he did do that but one of the people involved once coughed at the wrong time or some other random event having sod-all to do with the facts)
The second time he was stopped due to an on-going operation targetting specific cars.

Hardly harrassment.

Quote:

Originally Posted by arcamalpha2004 (Post 34856241)
So all footballers drive like " Tadgers " Derek?

In my experience a large number of them think they are better than normal and do drive in an exceptionally arrogant manner.

Anyway back on topic. C'mon Arsenal. :D

Damien 17-08-2009 23:27

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The thing is, the police in the car that pulled him over would not have known it was Defoe. In order to do so it would require them to have been furnished with the information before hand.

Now Police with a grudge maybe, but the organisation itself planning to harass him while they are being sued for harassment. Very unlikely.

Matty_ 18-08-2009 13:07

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Just came accross these stats for last season, you may have allready seen them but some interesting tit-bit`s,

942 - The final goal tally was the second lowest in Premier League history.

14 - Manchester United set a new Premier League record of 14 consecutive clean sheets between November 2008 and February 2009.

167 - There have been 167 headed goals scored this season.

22 - Liverpool have recouped the most points from losing positions this season.

23 - Sunderland dropped the most points from winning positions this season.

31 - There were just 31 goals scored at White Hart Lane - fewer than at any other stadium.

59 - The Hawthorns saw more goals than any other this season.

117 - Kevin Davies conceded the most fouls this season. He has topped this ranking in five of the last six Premier League seasons.

5 - Danny Murphy has scored five Premier League goals this season - all penalties.

37 - Cristiano Ronaldo has scored 37 goals in his last 33 Premier League games at Old Trafford.

100 - Kanu made his 100th appearance as a substitute in the Premier League when he came off the bench away at Blackburn on 9th May, becoming the first player to reach this landmark.

100 - Nicolas Anelka, Frank Lampard and Emile Heskey all netted their 100th Premier League goals this season. A total of 16 players have now reached this landmark.

11 - Chelsea set a new Premier league record of 11 consecutive away wins between April and December 2008.

248 - Chelsea fired in the most shots on target this season.

566 - Hull committed the most fouls in the Premier League.

73 & 5 - Stoke City picked up the most cards - 73 yellow and five red.

24 - Manchester United kept the most clean sheets.

50 - The champions also had the best home record, picking up 50 points.

44 - Chelsea had the best away record, winning 44 points.

57 - Frank Lampard had more shots on target than any other player.

10 - Frank Lampard and Robin van Persie were joint-top of the assists ranking.

167 - Lee Catter***** made 167 tackles during the season - a league high.

14 - Marouane Fellaini picked up the most yellow cards in the top flight.

7 - Seven Premier League players were sent off twice in this season's Premier League.

80% - Mark Schwarzer of Fulham was the league's best shot-stopper, saving four of every five shots on target faced.

149 - Bolton's Jussi Jaaskelainen made more saves than any other goalkeeper.

6-0 - Man City's win over Portsmouth at home was the season's biggest winning margin.

7 - Peter Crouch scored more headed goals than any other player.

18% - Headed goals scored of all strikes this season.

1 - Middlesbrough scored fewer headed goals than any other team.

7 - Bolton conceded more headed goals than any other side.

19% - Arsenal goals conceded from outside the box - the highest proportion in the top flight.

20 - Hull took 20 points from their opening nine games but just 15 from their last 29 matches.

22% - Bolton scored the highest percentage of goals in the opening 15 minutes of matches.

36% - Middlesbrough scored the highest percentage of goals in the final 15 minutes of games in the Premier League.

10 - Hull scored the most goals from corners in the Premier League.

9 - Newcastle gave away a league high of nine penalties in 2008-09.

8 - The Magpies also had eight red cards shown to their players - a division high.

34 - Manchester City have used more players than any other team in the Premier League this season.

21 - Aston Villa have called upon the least amount of players in the league this season.

7 - Blackburn won a joint-high seven penalties along with Man City.

3 - Blackburn missed three penalties - more than any other team.

10 - Bolton scored 10 goals from free-kicks - the most in the Premier League.

51% - Hull scored the highest percentage of their goals from set plays.

20% - Spurs scored the lowest percentage of goals from set pieces.

12 - Hull conceded 12 goals from corners - a league high.

38% - Everton conceded the highest proportion of goals from set plays in the top division.

21% - Fulham conceded the lowest percentage of goals from set plays in the Premier League.

11.5% - Around one in every nine goals scored was netted by a substitute.

9 - Spurs, Manchester United and Liverpool all had nine goals netted by subs - a joint-league high.

61 - Aston Villa used the fewest substitutes throughout the campaign.

109 - Hull, Stoke and Liverpool made the most substitutions.

6 - Cristiano Ronaldo scored six goals from outside the box - more than any other player.

26 - Premier League champions Manchester United have used the most number of players as substitutes.

4 - Bolton have had more players featuring in every game of the season than any other side.

3 - Liverpool have the most players who have accrued 10 or more goals this season.

5 - Newcastle used the most penalty takers.

5 - Sunderland only had five players who netted more than once this season.

7 -Liverpool had more opponents sent off than any other side in the top flight.

29 - The opposition hit the woodwork more often against relegation survivors Hull City than any other team.

345 - English players scored 345 goals in 2008-09, accounting for just 37 per cent of goals.

15% - Aston Villa were the league's most clinical teams scoring with 15 per cent of their shots.

8% - Wigan had the worst conversion rate in the top flight.

81% - Chelsea were the most accurate passers in the league this term.

337 - Stoke took the most long throw-ins this season.

267 - Rory Delap took 189 more long throws than any other player this season.

9 - Stoke scored the most goals from throw-in situations this season.

33% - One third of all goals scored this season came from set plays.

8 - Eight different Liverpool players scored with shots from outside the box this season.

0 - Liverpool were the only team not to suffer a home defeat in the Premier League this season.

13 - Spurs picked up the most points in London derbies this season.

8 - West Ham picked up the fewest in all-capital clashes.

30 - Liverpool garnered 30 points against their North West rivals.

1 - Bolton won just one match against another team from the North West this season.

8 - Sunderland took the most points in North East derbies this season.

77 - Liverpool were the league's top scorers with 77 goals.

83 - Shaun Wright-Phillips made more successful dribbles than anyone else this term.

4 - Anton Ferdinand and Hermann Hreidarsson both received four yellow cards for dissent, more than any other players in the year the FA's &lsquoRespect' campaign was launched.

10 - Stoke have collected only 10 of their 45 points on the road this season.

5 - Aston Villa have benefited from five own goals this season - more than any other team in the division.

6 - Jamie Carragher and Richard Dunne now hold the Premier League record for own goals with six apiece.

6 - Middlesbrough scored six own goals - more than any other team.

24 - Gareth Bale has now played 24 league games for Spurs and never been on the winning side.

86 - Liverpool's total of 86 points is their best haul in Premier League history.

2 - Liverpool became the first team in top-flight history to lose only two games and not win the title.

63 - Spurs have not won away at any of the big four since August 1993 - a run of 63 games.

86 - Liverpool's tally of 86 points is the highest of any team not winning the league in a 38-game Premier League season.

10 - Chelsea's Nicolas Anelka (pictured) collected the Golden Boot award after scoring 19 Premier League goals this season. It is 10 seasons (1998-99) since the Premier League top scorer last ended the campaign with fewer than 20 goals.

82 - Stewart Downing had more shots (including blocked attempts) than any other player who did not score.

110 - Liverpool allowed their opponents fewer shots on target than any other team.

141 - Arsenal caught more opponents offside than any other team.

141 - Hull were flagged offside more than any other team this season.

61 - Djibril Cisse was caught offside more than any other player.

6 - Six players scored hat-tricks this season.

4 - Andrei Arshavin was the first player to score four goals in a Premier League match and not end on the winning side.

13 - Mike Dean awarded more penalties than any other referee.

8 - Dean also sent off more players than any other official.

63 - There were 63 red cards shown this season.

13.5 - Mark Halsey was the league's most lenient official, showing a card on average for every 13.5 fouls.

5.8 - Rob Styles was the strictest referee dishing out a card for every 5.8 fouls committed.

Arthurgray50@blu 18-08-2009 16:37

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Hi Damien, the police would have known who was in the car, as they would have done a pnc check, before hand, otherwise they could have been dealing with a dangerous suspect.:)

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My pridiction for tonights game Celtic v Arsenal is and Arsenal win, The gooners will be too strong for Celtic.

Derek 18-08-2009 16:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 34856683)
as they would have done a pnc check, before hand

At the risk of sounding all panto like. Oh no they wouldn't. :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 34856683)
My pridiction for tonights game Celtic v Arsenal is and Arsenal win, The gooners will be too strong for Celtic.

If they show anything like the performance they had against Everton they'll quite comfortably win tonight and I can't see Celtic getting a win in London.
Hopefully tonight the fans remember the pitch is for players and not for them to wander onto.

Arthurgray50@blu 18-08-2009 17:20

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Hi DerekS, Oh yes they do, and l should know.:)

SB_07 18-08-2009 19:49

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Come on you Gunners! Just under an hour until kick-off!

Derek 18-08-2009 19:56

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 34856714)
Hi DerekS, Oh yes they do, and l should know.:)

:rolleyes:

*sigh* OK I'll just forget all my training and experience.

SB_07 18-08-2009 22:03

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Vermaelen looks top class. He was impressive at the weekend and he's impressive again so far tonight.

Damien 18-08-2009 22:39

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Oh yeahhhhhhh

Not a bad result for Arsenal :D

Derek 18-08-2009 22:44

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Celtic might get 3 in London. They do have an impressive away record in Europe. :D :rofl:

Arthurgray50@blu 18-08-2009 23:12

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Too me Celtic were poor, they gave away the ball far to easily, Celtic used to be a powerful side, and l respect them for quality football, When they play at The Emerates they to get these goals quickly, I think they need a kick up the backside, as they can play much better than what they did, and they need another manager Mowbray is not the manager they deserve - and no l am NOT and Arsenal fan.

Celtic have got to tighten up at the back and bring in some new players before the window shuts.

Damien 18-08-2009 23:14

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Credit to Celtic though, Mowbray was a class act before and after the game. Very diginifed in defeat. They got unlucky although Arsenal were the better team and it was pleasing to see them defending well, especially Vermaelen, who looks like another Wenger steal at 10 million.

It's not over though, despite the reaction of the press. 2 - 0 is a safe lead to take back to London but football is football.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 34856913)
Too me Celtic were poor, they gave away the ball far to easily, Celtic used to be a powerful side, and l respect them for quality football, When they play at The Emerates they to get these goals quickly, I think they need a kick up the backside, as they can play much better than what they did, and they need another manager Mowbray is not the manager they deserve - and no l am NOT and Arsenal fan.

Celtic have got to tighten up at the back and bring in some new players before the window shuts.

Celtic didn't play bad, What did they do wrong? Arsenal played well and got some luck. That's really all it came down too. I quite like Celtic but they were the underdogs and gave a good fight but Arsenal simply didn't relent to that.

Arthurgray50@blu 18-08-2009 23:29

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They did not play like they can do.

Damien 18-08-2009 23:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 34856924)
They did not play like they can do.

This is a team that finished 2nd in the SPL and where playing Arsenal. I am not too sure what you expect from them but however they can play, they were the underdogs for this match and 2-0 is not a reflection on a poor performance. It's just the result you would expect on paper (albeit achieved in a unconventional way)

SB_07 19-08-2009 18:33

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Unconfirmed reports that Rafa has walked....

Read it here; http://www.eurogamer.net/forum_threa...0&start=106560

Kymmy 19-08-2009 18:44

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Looks like Lescott might be on his way to Man City after he's been dropped from the side with Moyles reports as being very disappointed with Joleon Lescott's attitude

Sox 19-08-2009 19:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 34857348)
Looks like Lescott might be on his way to Man City after he's been dropped from the side with Moyles reports as being very disappointed with Joleon Lescott's attitude


There was a interview with him when he joined Everton from Wolves?(I think)
He said I want to spend the rest of my career here.

SB_07 19-08-2009 20:22

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Loyalty left football along time ago.

Sox 19-08-2009 20:27

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Originally Posted by SB_07 (Post 34857404)
Loyalty left football along time ago.

That's true
Liverpool found that out with McManaman and Owen when they went to Madrid.

Kymmy 19-08-2009 20:35

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If loyalty was an issue then simply the transfer market would stop working and everyone would have lifetime conracts ;)

Sox 19-08-2009 20:44

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Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 34857407)
If loyalty was an issue then simply the transfer market would stop working and everyone would have lifetime conracts ;)


Call me old fashioned but I believe a contract is a contract
Although it does work both ways when clubs try to get players to leave as well.

SB_07 19-08-2009 21:05

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haha Burnley 1 - 0 up against Man Utd.

Damien 19-08-2009 21:15

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Originally Posted by SB_07 (Post 34857423)
haha Burnley 1 - 0 up against Man Utd.

Whatever, United are gonna score 4.

SB_07 19-08-2009 21:30

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34857431)
Whatever, United are gonna score 4.

Burnley keeper just saved a pen.

Kymmy 19-08-2009 21:31

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Penalty to MU
[edit] lol saved :)

Arthurgray50@blu 19-08-2009 21:50

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Hi Damien, No disrepsect to Scottish football, The SPL is always a two horse race, Celtic or Rangers, What l am saying is that Celtic can play much better, than what they played and they have got to up there game at Arsenal.:)

Russ 19-08-2009 21:52

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Carrick taking penalties?!

Damien 19-08-2009 21:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34857454)
Carrick taking penalties?!

I bet he passed it to the keeper....Berbatov has been teaching penalty practise.

Russ 19-08-2009 22:11

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Carrick taking penalties, an ineffective Owen being taken off in place of donkey, and this is against Burnley.

We're not taking the premiership this season.

Kymmy 19-08-2009 22:37

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I think it's extremey early yet to make comments, the first few games are always a gamble...

But with a few minutes left it looks like MU are gonna be beat... But a side like Burnley will always fight in their first few games after promotion

SB_07 19-08-2009 22:39

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Man Utd have been awful, not good.

Damien 19-08-2009 22:41

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Liverpool will be happy, 3 - 0 win against stoke and back on a level pegging with United.

Kymmy 19-08-2009 22:42

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Originally Posted by SB_07 (Post 34857539)
Man Utd have been awful, not good.

As I said it's a new season gamble...

I'm a Man city supporter, have been since birth as I was born in Moss-side :)

But as usual I expect City to do good for the first few games then go into self destruct mode...but I have a feeling that this season might be different...only time will tell

SB_07 19-08-2009 22:42

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Defoe's bagged himself a hat-trick against Hull.

Russ 19-08-2009 22:43

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Maybe now SAF will pull his finger out of his behind and sign a striker who can actually score? Rooney was everywhere tonight but he was alone up front.

Damien 19-08-2009 22:44

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Hull are gonna be 20th.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34857547)
Maybe now SAF will pull his finger out of his behind and sign a striker who can actually score? Rooney was everywhere tonight but he was alone up front.

He has so far won 3 titles in a row, last year beating a very good Liverpool side to it. You have lost one game. Give SAF some credit...:erm:

SB_07 19-08-2009 22:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34857548)
Hull are gonna be 20th.

Hull & Pompey are going to struggle. Looks like Negredo is going to Sevilla instead of Hull now aswell lolll.

Russ 19-08-2009 22:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34857548)
Hull are gonna be 20th.

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He has so far won 3 titles in a row, last year beating a very good Liverpool side to it. You have lost one game. Give SAF some credit...:erm:

Credit for not replacing the firepower that helped get us those titles? :rolleyes:

kingbuxton 19-08-2009 23:12

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Absolutley inept display. Only Giggs looked like he realised who he is playing for. It was a Championship game, at least Burnley have an excuse for it.

We need a really decent central Midfielder and a Left Winger, and everyone bar Ferguson seems to realise it.

Only Ferguson can go 4-4-2 with no wingers in the side, he takes the biscuit at times with team selections.

Arthurgray50@blu 19-08-2009 23:12

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Good old Burnley, thats certainly a kick up the backside for SAF.

Turkey Machine 19-08-2009 23:16

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I'm not gonna be able to live that down at Greenbelt. How the f*** did we lose to Burnley of all teams?!?!?

kingbuxton 19-08-2009 23:18

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Quote:

He has so far won 3 titles in a row, last year beating a very good Liverpool side to it.
I have no idea how we have won the last two, we haven't played good football for two years, we have the odd display, but for the most part we have been efficient with a good defence. But we are a bore to watch. How Liverpool didn't win it last year I will never know, they wont win it under Benitez now. Chelsea will walk it unless we buy two world class players.

This reminded me of the time he played the Youth team in the League Cup and some minnow did us at OT, he dumped them all on loan and bar Evans got rid of them all. Like there was this great feeling, but only Ferguson believed it. Same with this lot.

Even when everyone is fit, it will still be the same, great players up front, solid defence, and no Central midfield, last two seasons Rooney and Ronaldo and to an extent Tevez hid it from view by holding the ball and tracking back, now all is left is Rooney, who was totally isolated tonight and it is sticking out like a sore thumb where we are weak.

You would have thought the Barcalona game was the wake up call he needed, maybe this will, but I doubt it. If there is one down side to Ferguson it is he is a stubborn so and so, if he says this squad is stong, then that is all there is to it, he better hope at least five of them suddenly hit a level of form they have yet to since we bought them.

yesman 19-08-2009 23:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 34857575)
Good old Burnley, thats certainly a kick up the backside for SAF.

Yep, that type of result happens now and again, but I am certainly not going to worry yet, after all it is only the second game of the season.

SAF won't feel the kick up the backside, but I wouldn't mind betting the players will :D

Oh and well done to Spurs !!!!!!!!!!!

superbiatch 19-08-2009 23:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34857542)
Liverpool will be happy, 3 - 0 win against stoke and back on a level pegging with United.

It was 4-0 ;)

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Originally Posted by yesman (Post 34857595)
Yep, that type of result happens now and again, but I am certainly not going to worry yet, after all it is only the second game of the season.

Yes and no doubt the rumours will start, shame the season doesn't have a chance to get going before teams and managers are written off! :rolleyes:

yesman 19-08-2009 23:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by superbiatch (Post 34857603)
Yes and no doubt the rumours will start, shame the season doesn't have a chance to get going before teams and managers are written off! :rolleyes:

Yes, I wouldn't mind a bet that the usual four will be at the top come Christmas ;)

Russ 20-08-2009 00:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by superbiatch (Post 34857603)
Yes and no doubt the rumours will start, shame the season doesn't have a chance to get going before teams and managers are written off! :rolleyes:

It doesn't bode well though does it? Rooney worked his butt off and for what? Owen looked lost and if that wasn't humiliating enough he was subbed by donkey who wandered about like a zombie from a 50's B-movie. Fortunately it was only Burnley - had it been one of the other top teams then it would have been like watching Brazil against Wales.

SAF can spout off all day about the squad being strong,that another signing isn't needed and how "£80m was a great piece of business" but 2 games in and we're looking like a team that enjoys mid-table finishes. At this rate we're in serious trouble if Rooney takes an injury.

yesman 20-08-2009 00:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34857615)
It doesn't bode well though does it? Rooney worked his butt off and for what? Owen looked lost and if that wasn't humiliating enough he was subbed by donkey who wandered about like a zombie from a 50's B-movie. Fortunately it was only Burnley - had it been one of the other top teams then it would have been like watching Brazil against Wales.

SAF can spout off all day about the squad being strong,that another signing isn't needed and how "£80m was a great piece of business" but 2 games in and we're looking like a team that enjoys mid-table finishes. At this rate we're in serious trouble if Rooney takes an injury.

Russ, you of all people should know better.......Burnley are miles better than Wales ;)

Seriously though........
Owen is new and has to get used to his new team.
Hargreaves is due back soon.
There are some fantastic youngsters coming through.
Hopefully Nani will now take on the mantle of Ronaldo if he has any sense.

Like I said earlier, nothing to worry about yet

gazzae 20-08-2009 00:19

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Its a bad result but no need to over react. Utd have 3 points, in 07-08 after 3 games they only had 2, that season didn't go to bad for them.

superbiatch 20-08-2009 00:20

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I have to say, lovely volley from Robbie Blake!

Russ 20-08-2009 00:27

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Originally Posted by yesman (Post 34857622)
Russ, you of all people should know better.......Burnley are miles better than Wales ;)

Seriously though........
Owen is new and has to get used to his new team.
Hargreaves is due back soon.
There are some fantastic youngsters coming through.
Hopefully Nani will now take on the mantle of Ronaldo if he has any sense.

Like I said earlier, nothing to worry about yet

Yes Hargreaves will be back but will tear his ACL getting off the team bus and be out for another 18 months, Owen will take about 6 games to find the net which will be the point where he gets a hat-trick then does bog-all for the rest of the season (or in footballing terms, he'll "do a berbatov") and Nani will do a Ji Park Sun and be all over the pitch without actually doing anything.

Call me a pessimist but....not getting a world-class striker during the summer will cost us.

TheDaddy 20-08-2009 00:29

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Originally Posted by gazzae (Post 34857623)
Its a bad result but no need to over react. Utd have 3 points, in 07-08 after 3 games they only had 2, that season didn't go to bad for them.

Yeah I wouldn't worry, one of those nights, Utd could still be playing now and not score + Utd are notoriously slow starters.

kingbuxton 20-08-2009 00:53

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It's not so much the fact that it was one of those games, it is that our Midfield has been suspect for some time, and it would seem any Sports writer worth his salt has mentioned it. This isn't a one of, it's been on the cards for 18 months. Rooney/Ronaldo/Tevez played in a Midfield/Forward Line and it made it (Midfield) look stronger than it was. Now Tevez and Ronaldo did rock all against Barca and it was highlighted then how weak it was.

And unless Nani, Anderson and Park hit form and sustain it for 20 games (they haven't managed it so far) we are going to struggle. £80Mill for Ronaldo was good business, right upto the point you don't spend it, then it is worthless. He has calmed the press down, the transfer system has calmed down, now is the time to go get someone.

I will hold my hands up and admit I have no idea who, but as Russ said, if Rooney gets an injury I wouldn't fancy beating anyone at the moment.

And he should have gone Park/Carrick off - Valencia/Berbatov on. Rooney Left. Valencia Right. Owen Up front. Berbatov in front of Anderson/Giggs. When you play Owen you just pang crosses in and shoot on site, just make sure you hit the target, it's rudimentary tactics. Ferguson is as bad as the players when it goes wrong.

yesman 20-08-2009 01:33

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Originally Posted by kingbuxton (Post 34857641)
Ferguson is as bad as the players when it goes wrong.

WARNING:
You doubt Fergie at your peril
:eh:

arcamalpha2004 20-08-2009 04:54

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Well done Burnley good result, but two games into the season is not the time to make rash judgements.
Unless Ferguson spends some of the money United got for Ronaldo I still feel United will miss Ronaldo more than Liverpool will miss Alonso over the coming season
Ronaldo has that ability to create something when opposition teams are tiring towards the end of the game, looking at the game last night I was wondering where that would come from.
An interesting season ahead? time will tell.

Kymmy 20-08-2009 09:47

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Only a friendly but still a good result for Man City against Barcelona last night.

http://www.mcfc.co.uk/News/Match-rep...rcelona-v-City

sherer 20-08-2009 10:23

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Man U have no midfield and too many players who just aren't good enough. We have Giggs who is too old and can't play a full season, Anderson who has gone backwards since his excellent first season, Nani and Park who just aren't good enough and Scholes who is getting too old. Add in Fletcher who is just a squad player and it isn't great. We have Valencia but he didn't do much in the first game so impress me.

These are the players who will now have to play more games and they just aren't good enough.

Last season we had 14 games where we played rubbish but somehow won them, that is why we won the league, not sure if we can do that this time around

Russ 20-08-2009 11:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sherer (Post 34857707)
Last season we had 14 games where we played rubbish but somehow won them

I'll give you a clue how we won those games: he now plays in Madrid.

Damien 20-08-2009 11:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34857739)
I'll give you a clue how we won those games: he now plays in Madrid.

You really do need more faith in SAF instead of second-guessing him the moment you lose a game. He knows his team and he has been counted out before (remember your bad spell a few years back?) and proved his critics wrong.

Russ 20-08-2009 11:54

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You're missing my point - it's not just the results but also the performances - we should have destroyed Birmingham on saturday. Burnley should have lost at least 2-nil. We have a team which is using players in their mid-30s alongside unproven talent. Granted when Rio and Vidic return our defence will be a lot better but up front we've only got one real proven goalscorer and SAF seems to think that's enough - well no it's not. Yes he's the most successful manager in the country but the faith he's put in donkey has not been repaid. Owen cannot be considered reliable yet. As I said earlier, if Rooney takes a long term hit then I'll be surprised if we finish in the top 2.

Turkey Machine 20-08-2009 12:25

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Where's Scholes when ya need him.

sherer 20-08-2009 12:27

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the problem is we have too many mediocre players. We have too many players who are only good enough, or sometimes not good enough, to play against Hull and Birmingham and Fulham.

O'Shea had a great first season but has never once ever got close to playing like that ever again. He is rubbish in every position he plays and no where near good enough for us. Neither is Park and he's been with is for about 4 years.

Nani and Ronaldo had similar first seasons. Give them a ball in training and they can do keepie uppies all day long but neither of them could pay well in the prem, delivery a decent ball into the box, beat a man etc . Ronaldo adapted and learnt what needs to be done, Nani is no where near having any idea how to play football

TheDaddy 20-08-2009 14:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34857743)
Burnley should have lost at least 2-nil.

And on another day they may well have, Utd were all over them, missed a penalty and their keeper was Man of the Match + the shot for their goal would have ended up in the crowd 9 times out of ten.

Shadow Demon UK 20-08-2009 14:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34857741)
You really do need more faith in SAF instead of second-guessing him the moment you lose a game. He knows his team and he has been counted out before (remember your bad spell a few years back?) and proved his critics wrong.

It's funny isn't it, an Arsenal fan telling United 'fans' they still have good chance of winning the league, in most cases it would/should be the other way round. Some people need to get a grip, we lost one game, against a team that beat Spurs, Chelsea and Arsenal last season. In my opinion all the other big sides will struggle there as well like last season with Stoke if Burnley play like they did last night. How anyone can say a team is/is not going to win the league after two games is beyond me, it's the same as the weekend when people were writing Liverpool off, unbelievable at this stage of the season.

And for people to question Ferguson?!? Your right he should be sacked, he hasn't got a clue, he's the last person that will bring success to the club. He should have been sacked way back, he got lucky with that Mark Robins goal, he should have gone then!

TheDaddy 20-08-2009 14:45

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Here's a strange one, quitting football at 22 because he has fallen out of love with the game!!!!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...wn/8211586.stm

kingbuxton 20-08-2009 19:29

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Quote:

You doubt Fergie at your peril
I don't doubt Ferguson, I am saying that many times, when we cock up, he is as much to blame as the players. He has no tactical awareness and never has done, not sure how much input Phelan has, but last nights selection was a catalogue of errors. You can't play 4-4-2 with no wingers, Park might be classed as one, at a stretch. And nobody can tell me Park was playing better than Anderson. The substitutions baffled me.

Matty_ 20-08-2009 19:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 34857544)
As I said it's a new season gamble...

I'm a Man city supporter, have been since birth as I was born in Moss-side :)

But as usual I expect City to do good for the first few games then go into self destruct mode...but I have a feeling that this season might be different...only time will tell

Spoken like only a true blue could :tu: the good old days of the Kippax and North stand, Uwe Rosler, Georgi Kinkladze and all, good times!

Sox 21-08-2009 20:26

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The old Maine Road ground brings back happy memories as a member of the Liverpool Supporters Club in the 70s and 80s.We used to book ourselves into the Man City's Supporters club before and after the game and got on with each other we were like best friends no matter what the result was. :)

Kymmy 21-08-2009 21:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sox (Post 34858579)
The old Maine Road ground brings back happy memories as a member of the Liverpool Supporters Club in the 70s and 80s.We used to book ourselves into the Man City's Supporters club before and after the game and got on with each other we were like best friends no matter what the result was. :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matty_ (Post 34858009)
Spoken like only a true blue could :tu: the good old days of the Kippax and North stand, Uwe Rosler, Georgi Kinkladze and all, good times!

Hey I can go back to Colin Bell and Rodney Marsh if you wish ;)

Sox 21-08-2009 21:10

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Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 34858595)
Hey I can go back to Colin Bell and Rodney Marsh if you wish ;)


So can I Franny Lee :)


My 1st visit to Maine Road would be in the middle 60's around the time of the 66 World cup.
I had a relitive who lived about 2 or streets down from Maine Road so stayed overnight there sometimes.Just walked up a couple of alleyways and I was there. :D

Matty_ 21-08-2009 21:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 34858595)
Hey I can go back to Colin Bell and Rodney Marsh if you wish ;)

Just a tad before my time, i became indoctrinated during the Paul Power era (oh the hair :shocked:) and worked at one of the pie stalls for a couple of seasons, free entry, watch the match, free pies and got paid, probably the best job i`ve ever had ;)

Maine Road really was a complete hotchpotch of a ground, what with no two sides looking anything remotely similar, but for some reason it just worked, i wish they could bottle a bit of the old atmosphere and ship it to the new(ish) stadium, i dunno but it seems a bit soulless to me at times as if somethings missing. Maybe it`s just me being picky :shrug:

Sox 21-08-2009 21:52

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I got free admission once at Maine Road handing out paper caps when Liverpool Played Man United in an FA Cup Semi Final it finished 2-2 and we lost the replay at Goodison.It was when the Greenhoff brothers played for United.I got rid of them as quick as I could and got as near the front as I could.
The only other time I got free admission to a game was at Neuchatal Xamax in a pre season friendly in Switzerland in the 80's a freebie off Bruce Grobbelaar.


I'd like to know your fav player of all time

Mine was Emlyn Hughes

:)

SB_07 22-08-2009 17:12

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Quote:

West Ham footballer Calum Davenport and his mother are both in a "serious condition" after being stabbed at their family home.
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-...ious_Condition

yesman 22-08-2009 20:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34857626)
Yes Hargreaves will be back but will tear his ACL getting off the team bus and be out for another 18 months, Owen will take about 6 games to find the net which will be the point where he gets a hat-trick then does bog-all for the rest of the season (or in footballing terms, he'll "do a berbatov") and Nani will do a Ji Park Sun and be all over the pitch without actually doing anything.

Call me a pessimist but....not getting a world-class striker during the summer will cost us.

I see what you mean :D

Russ 22-08-2009 20:17

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Yep....

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But the final scoreline should not mask United's earlier deficiencies in front of goal as a better team than Wigan would have punished the champions for their failure to take their numerous first-half chances

yesman 24-08-2009 00:05

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You can't beat a Gerrard moment :D

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2009/08/5.gif

arcamalpha2004 24-08-2009 00:29

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_A6QHdWcXg

Even better :D

Shadow Demon UK 24-08-2009 14:28

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There's a rumour going round that United are going to offer £10million + Carrick for Modric before the transfer window closes, not too sure if there's any truth in it but Carrick has been left out of the squad twice this season already. It might just be a joke about Spurs signing another ex-player though...

SB_07 24-08-2009 17:21

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16.04 Manchester City have confirmed the signing of veteran defender Sylvinho on a one-year contract.

Free transfer i believe.

Matty_ 24-08-2009 19:35

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Not a bad signing if you ask me, the guy has a lot of experience with top class football and will be great back up for Wayne Bridge.
What`s this free business all about :confused: surely as it`s City they must have paid at least 10 Million for him....

@Sox->That`s a tough one! If where talking about a Man City player then i would have to say Kinkladze, one of them who gets bums off seats.

Emlyn was class but for me the best Liverpool player ever was Dalglish, that guy was a genius.

Kymmy 24-08-2009 21:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Matty_ (Post 34858616)
Just a tad before my time, i became indoctrinated during the Paul Power era (oh the hair :shocked:)

Can anyone remember what Paul Power's claim to fame is?? (slight hint..it happened in the 100th FA Cup) ;)

punky 24-08-2009 22:24

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Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 34860183)
Can anyone remember what Paul Power's claim to fame is?? (slight hint..it happened in the 100th FA Cup) ;)

Dunno, but I know what Ricky Villa's is ;)

SB_07 24-08-2009 22:51

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Liverpoolol.

Damien 24-08-2009 23:14

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Liverpool lost 2 games last season, they have now matched that tally! Although to be fair it was the draws that cost them the title, United lost 4 games.

Still, Losing away at Spurs is not ideal but not a real disaster. Losing at home to Villa and recording your second lost in 3 games is a bad start and if they lose anymore in the coming weeks they will do real damage to their title hopes.

Bulky 24-08-2009 23:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SB_07 (Post 34860223)
Liverpoolol.

didn't you mean to put a space in that , here you go

"Liverpoo lol"

;)

iadom 24-08-2009 23:23

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Lets put this in perspective, Villa beat Liverpool away, Wigan beat Villa away, United beat Wigan away, nuff said. :p:

Russ 24-08-2009 23:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by iadom (Post 34860242)
Lets put this in perspective, Villa beat Liverpool away, Wigan beat Villa away, United beat Wigan away, nuff said. :p:

I totally respect that logic :D

Turkey Machine 24-08-2009 23:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Matty_ (Post 34860110)
Not a bad signing if you ask me, the guy has a lot of experience with top class football and will be great back up for Wayne Bridge.
What`s this free business all about :confused: surely as it`s City they must have paid at least 10 Million for him....

He was taken on a free transfer. Don't know what his salary would be but I imagine it'd be in line with the other recent signings.

Shadow Demon UK 25-08-2009 01:11

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Bringing on Babel and Voronin to try and change the game...I'm not suprised they lost.

I thought Villa were brilliant though, Brad Friedel made up for the game last season at anfield and was superb tonight.

Kymmy 25-08-2009 11:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 34860183)
Can anyone remember what Paul Power's claim to fame is?? (slight hint..it happened in the 100th FA Cup) ;)

He was the first (and I believe ONLY) person to score for both sides in an FA cup final (he scored city's goal and an own goal went in off his shoulder)

Sox 25-08-2009 12:18

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To be fair Liverpool were very poor.Although they could have been 1-0 up after 30 odd seconds through Benayoun then between them Torres,Benayoun & Gerrard should have scored.Villa deserve all the credit for their win again costly mistakes by Lucas firstly giving away a needless free kick then bad defending in the 3erd minute of 1 minute added time from the corner and Stevie G's very rash penalty.Only Glen Johnson had a decent game for the Reds.
Congratulations to Villa

punky 25-08-2009 12:19

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If anyone's curious about Ricky Villa's claim to fame in that game is that his goal was voted Wembley's goal of the century by BBC viewers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R44tPArJIy4


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