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piggy 24-03-2009 19:57

Re: Homosexual couple sue Christian hotel owners for refusing them a double room
 
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Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo (Post 34761352)
Is religion not about faith and believe? If lucy believes that her marriage was approved by God, even though it was in a registry office, then i think it's extremely hypocritical for a christian to say thats not the case.

yes extremely, and not very christian at all!!

nomadking 24-03-2009 20:03

Re: Homosexual couple sue Christian hotel owners for refusing them a double room
 
So all the various odd and perverted marriage arrangements from around the world should be catered for and allowed to proceed in this country?

Marrying animals, 8 year old girls etc.

Saaf_laandon_mo 24-03-2009 20:05

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Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34761374)
Putting words in my mouth.....

Russ, rather than take this easy option out you should have a look at what you've posted. Its not just me who drew that conclusion. We can't all be wrong now can we.
Anyway i don't want am argument, the morphine should kick in soon and i'll be in the land of nod.

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 34761379)
So all the various odd and perverted marriage arrangements from around the world should be catered for and allowed to proceed in this country?

Marrying animals, 8 year old girls etc.

I don't think anyone has said that at all.

Russ 24-03-2009 20:08

Re: Homosexual couple sue Christian hotel owners for refusing them a double room
 
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Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo (Post 34761381)
Russ, rather than take this easy option out you should have a look at what you've posted.

What you've done, as per usual, is take part of what I've said and tried to sum it up in one sentence to try and make me look bad.

I've specifically not elaborated on my stance (hence my saying "we'll agree to disagree") in order not to drag this off topic in to the realms of the usual Christianity-bashing.

lucy7 24-03-2009 20:09

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This has all gone off topic......again!!

But hey ho....go with the flow.

I feel I must state that I am a Christian, a Jehovahs Witness infact.
I never argue, just discuss.

Whats the morphine for Saff?


Please read my above post!!! scrawl up.

Gary L 24-03-2009 20:09

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Originally Posted by lucy7 (Post 34761376)
IN EDIT........step away please folks, do not bait any one on here please.

I'm not even listening. I'm just propped up against the bar pretending I'm using my phone :)

lucy7 24-03-2009 20:13

Re: Homosexual couple sue Christian hotel owners for refusing them a double room
 
Russ, its really not Christian bashing surely?
All folks have a right to their opinion, its called free will ;)

Russ 24-03-2009 20:14

Re: Homosexual couple sue Christian hotel owners for refusing them a double room
 
Stick around a bit longer.....

Saaf_laandon_mo 24-03-2009 20:16

Re: Homosexual couple sue Christian hotel owners for refusing them a double room
 
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Originally Posted by lucy7 (Post 34761388)
This has all gone off topic......again!!

But hey ho....go with the flow.

I feel I must state that I am a Christian, a Jehovahs Witness infact.
I never argue, just discuss.

Whats the morphine for Saff?


Please read my above post!!! scrawl up.

I've got a fractured vertebre. Been in hospital since thurs night. Had cat scan today and consultation tomorrow. Hopefully be out very soon.

lucy7 24-03-2009 20:17

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Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34761402)
Stick around a bit longer.....

I may just do that!!

Never one to run away...........

dilli-theclaw 24-03-2009 20:18

Re: Homosexual couple sue Christian hotel owners for refusing them a double room
 
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Originally Posted by lucy7 (Post 34761400)
Russ, its really not Christian bashing surely?
All folks have a right to their opinion, its called free will ;)

Many of these threads end up the same way, which is why i don't bother asking questions or commenting in case i get (wrongly) accused ot saying or implying something I didn't.

I only ever had very bad experience with religion. I do realise that not all are the same so I just don't bother with it any more.

lucy7 24-03-2009 20:19

Re: Homosexual couple sue Christian hotel owners for refusing them a double room
 
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Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo (Post 34761406)
I've got a fractured vertebre. Been in hospital since thurs night. Had cat scan today and consultation tomorrow. Hopefully be out very soon.



Ooo, sounds bad!
All the best to you Saaf x

Hang on, and they let you have your lap top????

Saaf_laandon_mo 24-03-2009 20:27

Re: Homosexual couple sue Christian hotel owners for refusing them a double room
 
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Originally Posted by lucy7 (Post 34761400)
Russ, its really not Christian bashing surely?
All folks have a right to their opinion, its called free will ;)

I think russ thinks that ANYONE who criticises his point of view or opinions is a christian basher or has a personal vendetta against him. Although i'm a practising muslim i have a deep respect for christianity, as it's our duty to do so. I might not agree with some aspects of how its practised, in the same manner as i disagree with how certain people follow islam. But the nearest i've got to bashing christianity is when i've bashed the bishop ;)

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Originally Posted by lucy7 (Post 34761412)
Ooo, sounds bad!
All the best to you Saaf x

Hang on, and they let you have your lap top????

You are infact allowed to bring your laptop in but this is south london so mine is locked safely at home. I'm using the net on my phone. Thank god for free internet access on my contract.

Russ 24-03-2009 20:28

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Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo (Post 34761414)
I think russ thinks that ANYONE who criticises his point of view or opinions is a christian basher or has a personal vendetta against him.

I accept constructive criticism, I take exception to personal criticism. There's a clear and noticed seperation between the 2 on CF.

Saaf_laandon_mo 24-03-2009 20:35

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Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34761418)
I accept constructive criticism, I take exception to personal criticism. There's a clear and noticed seperation between the 2 on CF.

Well let me point out that i have not criticised you personally. I'm criticising the view you made, and that i thought its not very christian like. The same as i would have if someone else said it. If you take exception to criticism of what you say, and think we are personally attacking you. then a public forum, which has posters of all opinions and backgrounds, is surely not the best place to make your views.

Russ 24-03-2009 20:37

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Move on. Agree to disagree.

fluffychick 24-03-2009 21:08

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"Why should a couples sexual preferences be respected more than a couple's religious belief? Both are a matter of choice, so either both should be protected, or neither!"

People don't choose to be gay any more than they choose to be male, female, black or white. What a ridiculous thing to say.

Chris 24-03-2009 21:12

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Originally Posted by fluffychick (Post 34761448)
"Why should a couples sexual preferences be respected more than a couple's religious belief? Both are a matter of choice, so either both should be protected, or neither!"

People don't choose to be gay any more than they choose to be male, female, black or white. What a ridiculous thing to say.

But the heart of this issue has nothing to do with what the couple are - whether by choice or not - and it has everything to do with what they chose to do.

The hoteliers did not tell them they couldn't stay. They didn't tell them they didn't want people of that sexual orientation under their roof. They simply made clear what behaviour is and is not acceptable under their roof.

And such human behaviour is a matter of choice.

Saaf_laandon_mo 24-03-2009 21:26

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 34761457)
But the heart of this issue has nothing to do with what the couple are - whether by choice or not - and it has everything to do with what they chose to do.

The hoteliers did not tell them they couldn't stay. They didn't tell them they didn't want people of that sexual orientation under their roof. They simply made clear what behaviour is and is not acceptable under their roof.

And such human behaviour is a matter of choice.

I'm also assuming the hotel gave them the option of a twin bed room. These guys could have simply moved the beds together and snuggled up nice and close. I do think that after listening and reading all the facts the gay couple involved are stirring this more for personal gain and making a name for themselves as opposed to any equal rights issues. If you know that a hotel is a christian run establishment, and you know what sleeping arrangements it lays down then turning up expecting something different, in my opinion is just making trouble. There are other ways to complain about your rights, its not like these two got an unknown suprise when they got there.if the courts do find in favour of the couple i only hope that any compensation they receive covers the cost of petrol at the most. 5k? You're having a laugh.

lucy7 24-03-2009 21:43

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As said in my first post on this topic, the case is not about money, it is about gay rights.

They are making a stand.

Welshchris 24-03-2009 21:43

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 34760970)
I don't think that's very similar. Having said that, how did the B&B owners know they were gay?

some people r obvious via their manorisms

Hugh 24-03-2009 21:55

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Originally Posted by Welshchris (Post 34761493)
some people r obvious via their manorisms

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2009/03/28.jpg ;)

Chris 24-03-2009 22:46

Re: Homosexual couple sue Christian hotel owners for refusing them a double room
 
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Originally Posted by lucy7 (Post 34761492)
As said in my first post on this topic, the case is not about money, it is about gay rights.

They are making a stand.

They are definitely making a stand, however they are also trying to give the hoteliers a good kicking. Nobody demands £5,000 compensation when it's not about the money.

danielf 24-03-2009 22:55

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 34761564)
They are definitely making a stand, however they are also trying to give the hoteliers a good kicking. Nobody demands £5,000 compensation when it's not about the money.

Well, presumably other hoteliers will think twice about barrings gays from sleeping in the same room if they get awarded £5,000.

Saaf_laandon_mo 24-03-2009 23:37

Re: Homosexual couple sue Christian hotel owners for refusing them a double room
 
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Originally Posted by lucy7 (Post 34761492)
As said in my first post on this topic, the case is not about money, it is about gay rights.

They are making a stand.

So why ask for 5k? Why not 500 quid. Don't you think 5k is a bit excessive?

Russ 24-03-2009 23:41

Re: Homosexual couple sue Christian hotel owners for refusing them a double room
 
I think their solicitor might have had a say in that.

And of course, I'm assuming if they win they'll ensure it all goes to charity.

nomadking 24-03-2009 23:49

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Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34761620)
I think their solicitor might have had a say in that.

And of course, I'm assuming if they win they'll ensure it all goes to charity.

But only to a gay charity no doubt.

RizzyKing 25-03-2009 02:06

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Putting aside the sexuality and religious aspects i think all we have here is a couple of chancers looking to use their sexuality to make a big row and profit from it. I seriously doubt that if they win any of the money will go anywhere but in their pockets and certainly won't be going to any charity any of us have ever heard of.

They were not told they couldn't stay at this establishment they were not refused service they were simply limited in the type of bed they could have and thats it. This should be thrown out of court at first hearing it really is that stupid and the way that their sexuality and religion have come to the fore is more to hide the fact they are simple chancers then anything else.

rogerdraig 25-03-2009 02:12

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 34761713)
Putting aside the sexuality and religious aspects i think all we have here is a couple of chancers looking to use their sexuality to make a big row and profit from it. I seriously doubt that if they win any of the money will go anywhere but in their pockets and certainly won't be going to any charity any of us have ever heard of.

They were not told they couldn't stay at this establishment they were not refused service they were simply limited in the type of bed they could have and thats it. This should be thrown out of court at first hearing it really is that stupid and the way that their sexuality and religion have come to the fore is more to hide the fact they are simple chancers then anything else.

that about sums it i think too :tu:


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