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Moqueet you dont have to copy the whole of the rumours pages of the bbc football page ;)

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ive just done some

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Athletico Madrid say that Chelsea target Sergio Aguero is not for sale, despite reports the Blues have made a £43.75m bid for the Argentine striker. (1556 BST, Agence France-Presse)

That's a lot, even for them

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...ty/7445528.stm

Silly silly boy!!

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Barcelona striker Samuel Eto'o has ruled out a move to Spurs - and hinted that Inter Milan remain an option. "Tottenham, and I hope the English fans will forgive me, are a club in mid-table and I need more," said Eto'o. (Fox Sports, 1220)

Forgive you, you get a big thumbs up from me lol

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It says here that Arsenal want to double the average age of their squad with the £4m capture of 31-year-old Werder Bremen man Torsten Frings.

Brilliant player.

Cesc Fabregas has said he would love to see his Spain team-mate David Villa playing at Arsenal.

He's not the only one!

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Just heard on BCC that Chelsea have said Scolari will be manager next season.

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Barcelona have joined Real Madrid in the competition to sign Hibernian forward Steven Fletcher. (The Sun)

Stories about Real being interested in this guy have been going round for months but Barcelona to! How good is this guy?

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Roma are stepping up their bid for West Ham United midfielder Freddie Ljungberg. (Tuttosport 1342 BST)

Good, lets hope it's true

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Cristiano Ronaldo has again teased his Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson by saying: "I just love playing in all white," after Portugal's victory against the Czech Republic on Wednesday. (Daily Star)

OMG what a comedian, seriously sell the ungreatful little ****, after the club and fans stood by him whilst he was a show pony and the winker incident, to show such disrespect is mind blowing.

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Fergie will soon sort him out when he reports for pre season training ;)

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I seriously doubt it's true that he said that, it's only the star who have reported it so it's unlikely.

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Didn't Wenger say at the end of last season he would be bringing in experianced players because that is what they were lacking?

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Yup and i really hope he does because we need two or three.

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If he wants to go, he wants to go. Im just grateful for everything he has done for the club in his 5 years at Manchester United. And if he does go, good luck tot he lad.

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If the press is to be believed, then I say "let him go", just so long as we can have Sneijder in return, then buy Berbatov with the cash left over I would be happy.

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Real Madrid are waiting for Cristiano Ronaldo to publicly say he wants to leave Manchester United to join them. "As soon as he says he wants to play for Real Madrid there will be conversations between the two clubs," says Real's director general of the presidency, Miguel Angel Arroyo. (Spanish sports paper Marca, 1045 BST)

Getting more than a bit bored with this story now, heard on the radio that the winker has told one of his international team mates that he loves United, loves Fergie but hates Manchester, wonder why he stayed for four or five years then :shrug:

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Inter Milan are to bid £6.6m for Chelsea midfielder Frank Lampard within the next 48 hours. (The Sun)

Not much for Fat Frank. Maybe Chelsea dropped the price when this picture got around lol

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It's probably because he's in last year and can probably buy out his contract for a lot less. Judging by what you pay nowadays for decent midfielders I'd say anything under 10million for Frank would be a bargain.

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Deal as long as the papers can be believed of course

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Things aren't looking good:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...td/7463439.stm

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I would take that, but try and push up the money a bit more.

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He won't go. Ferguson has already said he'd rather ruin his career leaving him to rot on the bench than sell him to Spain. He's that spiteful too, so I do believe him. Certainly in a battle of wills between Ronaldo and Ferguson, my money is on the bully.

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There's a good article in the back of today's Sun on the Ronaldo transfer saga. Quite a balanced view in all honesty and even those who dont read the Sun and have some interest in the whole saga would be recommended to read it.

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Someone really does hate Ferguson lol

The fact of the matter is that he signed a new contract not even a year ago and is under contract to stay at the club for another 3 years, so really it's not Ronaldo's decision whether he wants to go or not at the moment.

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And I can't see the Glaziers allowing Real to win this battle.

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I heard that real madrid were willing to sell robinho sergio ramos and some1 else + 40 mill for him now they bidded 75 mill

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I think he's going to be honest. The fact that he's under contract is irrelevant really, if he doesn't want to play for Man United then they're better off getting rid of him. The threat to leave him in on the bench is just an idle one - a club who are in as much debt as Man United just can't afford to do that.

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I suppose it depends on your definition of hate. I just really dislike him, personality-wise, attitude-wise, methods-wise. Its not really irrational. I know what you're saying. Its a fair point, but you've got to be a real spiteful piece of work to sabotage one of the world's best and most promising talents on principle. Its things like this that really don't endear me to him. Even if its rhetoric, its just not needed. Be profesionally and the bigger man.

As Russ (sort of) said, the comment i'm alluding to was made jointly with the Glaziers, so they also share their fair share of it, not just Ferguson (although I imagine he was a driving force in it).

I dunno if the fans will stand for it though, benching Ronaldo versus something like £45m + Sneijder can't sit well with many, even with Ferguson's record.

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I don't think he's even said that he will put him in the reserves if he wants to move. All i've heard Ferguson say on the matter is that he was confident he wasn't leaving the club. If you want that to mean he will ruin his career by putting him in the reserves so be it, but i didn't read it that way, i saw it as he genuinely thought that he would want to stay at the club. Ferguson's been on holiday the past few weeks and the last interview he did was with Frost which was on ss1 and thats all he said, i don't know where this 'leave him in the reserves' stuff has come from (the sun???). If he starts demanding a move i'm sure Ferguson will see he thinks he's bigger than the club and will get rid of him.

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Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson says the club would rather put Cristiano Ronaldo in the stands than sell him to Real Madrid.
Ferguson has met the Glazer family, who own the club, and said: "Their attitude is 'To hell with them'. "They'd sit a player in the stand, I'm telling you, absolutely no doubt about it, just to prove a point."

Seems to be crystal clear to me what he said, even though he can't leave him to 'rot' in the reserves

United's threat to let Ronaldo 'rot' in the stands can't happen as Fifa rules state players can rip up their contracts if they don't play a certain amount of games. (Various)

What he can't pick up a phone whilst he is on holiday now, even the BBC is reporting those are his words and I doubt any other media source would want to miss quote him, what with his liking to refuse interviews

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Ok, thats the first time i've seen that. But thats more about Madrid and they way they have behaved rather than Ronaldo. He hasn't said he wouldn't sell him at all, just not to Madrid. And that's him saying whats the Galziers have said to him not his own words.

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From my understanding, Man Utd/Ferguson don't want to sell him at all. I thought Real Madrid were the only club bidding for him (AFAIK).

I actually am loving the hypocracy of a lot of Man U fans, and the manner in which the club are reacting. It wasn't so long ago they bought Rooney, a player who Everton had invested heavily on in terms of development (Similar to what a lot of fans are saying Man U have done to Ronaldo).

I was originally on the side of Man U in terms of that that I'd hope they would take a stand, so as to discourage other players leaving a club so soon after signing long term contracts. However the more and more I hear of the hypocricy from many Utd fans I just hope Ronaldo does leave.

I'd also say Ronaldo hasnt behaved well in this matter either, never once declaring his commitment to Man Utd, or saying that the stuff thats been written quoting him is wrong.

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Slightly different. What on earth was he going to win at Everton? I don't buy this rubbish about Ronaldo only winning World Player of the Year if he's at Real.

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I'm sure every top club in Europe will be after him he decides to leave. Ferguson has said theres been intrest from other clubs but they don't make a song and dance about it like Madrid have which is why he doesn't want to sell to them. Ofcourse he doesn't want to sell him at all, he's the best player in the world at the moment, which is why theres been numerous press releases stating that he's not for sale. I don't think we can really comment on Ferguson leaving him to rot in the reserves until the new season kicks off anyway because it's highly unlikely it will happen anyway.

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I dont see why its that different as most Utd fans I know are moaning about him going as "Fergie turned him into the player he is - and they (man u) invested a lot in him lah blah blah".

Everton could have won a trophy with Rooney there, ok, maybe not as much as Man U, probably never the premiership - but then how are the nearly clubs supposed to win anything if bigger cups dangle loads of money in front of their prize assets?

You (generally i mean)cant approach players under contract and then get in a huff when a bigger club does the same to you. Stinks of hypocricy.

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Saaf you hit it right on the nail there mate.... its alright for ManU to tap other players up but throw a stink when it happens to them.

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Ronaldo only wants to play for his dream club - as others have said when they joined man u..... its just a shame that for man u fans ronaldos dream club is real madrid.

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Yep, if he has said he didn't want to leave, all this speculation would have gone away, just like it has with Steven Gerrard but no he is actually fanning the flames himself, let him go I say, the grass isn't always greener and when it turns sour for him in Madrid I wonder if it'll come as a shock to him when the throw him to the wolves as they have done with past stars, Manchester wont seem like such a crap town then

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I don't know anyone who says SAF turned him in to the palyer he is - but I know a lot who say he stayed loyal to him during the whole 'winker' thing.

Rooney wanted to go to United because was ambitious and wanted to win bigger trophies - the reason most players sign for bigger clubs. But what else can Ronaldo win at Real?

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And what else can Ronaldo win at Man Utd.

Maybe he is motivated by wanting to win the Champions League with his boyhood club. Maybe its not about winning but enjoying a different lifestyle in Spain.

Maybe he wants to play for a club which has more history of success than Man U - you know 9 european cups as opposed to Utds 3, and he doesnt want to stay at Utd just because they are the richest team in the world - as opposed to the most succesful.

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This might just be me but I'd rather play for a team whose success was ahead of them, not behind.

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He will have to go just to p**s Russ off ;) thats good enough reason for me , i cannot stand watching the man with all his flicks and farting about the sooner someone breaks his leg the better.

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Well that sums up the arrogance of Man U fans in thinking that they will remain the best club in Europe - assuming you are talking trophies and not financially. You are assuming Utd will win more than Real Madrid - maybe Ronaldo thinks otherwise.

I can see real dominating the Spanish league for seasons to come, I can't see any one team dominating the Champions League but I can see Real winning it in the next few years.

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What's wrong with assuming your club will continue to be successful? Isn't that what most supporters want from their teams? Well, not London clubs anyway....

I'm not assuming United will win more than Real so where you had that idea from I have no idea. You mentioned about Rooney going to Everton has similarities with Ronaldo and Real and I pointed out Rooney guaranteed himself the success that Everton could not offer.

Ronaldo would not guarantee any more success with Real other than possibly World Player of the Year.

You then mentioned Real's succesful history in europe - no-one can dispute that but how will Ronaldo benefit from Real's past when they've won very little in the last 5 or so years?

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I think most people want their clubs to be succesful and not assume they will be - Fine line between the 2, maybe people following clubs outside London can't understand that - although even I dont understand your logic behind that comment.

Where did I get the idea that you assumed Man U would win more than Real (or anyone else) from... I think it was when you said :

And in the post above you were responding to a comment I made specifically about Ronaldo i.e:

So from the above its easy for me to say that you are assuming Man Utd will win more than Real.

He would not be guaranteed anymore success staying at Man U.

I mentioned Real's history because we were talking about his motivation to leave. I suggested he might have always harboured desires to play for the club of his dreams, one with a history of a lot more success than Man Utd. I think its perfectly feasible for people to want to play for other clubs for that reason.

Real have convincing won the Spanish League this season gone, alot of followers of Spanish football can see them being a major force next season too. Maybe his motivation is joining a once great club to make them once great again.

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United have an awesome team right now. It does not take much logic to see that most can assume their success will continue.

I only made that comment when you said Real have won the European Cup more than United - like that has any bearing on where the clubs go from here. You're starting to sound like a Liverpool fan now.

Well yes I'm sure it's easy for you to say that but I'm sure everyone else will see that I'm merely suggesting that there's no reason to think there's anything at Real ahead of him which he won't win with United. They are fairly equal in stature and success so I see no motivation for him to leave other than childhood ambition.

Yes, they finally won something worthy after 5 years. One player does not make Real, as David Beckham found out.

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the logic comment referred to the need to bring in London clubs into an argument. From now on I will have to resrot to making things even more clearer in posts to you.


And whats wrong with pursuing childhood ambitions?


The way Utd fans are going on about it, it would be quite easy to say that a lot are worried that Ronaldo made your season. One man (i.e Beckam)certainly did not make Real - but most would say that his signing had a lot to do with commercial aspirations as well as football - but it seems like a lot of Utd fans are thinking one man leaving (i.e Ronaldo) will be the end of Utds success in the very near future.

Oh by the way I heard something about Utd wanting Santa Cruz to play for them. If true, isnt he under contract to Blackburn? How many years does he have left on his current contract?

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Normal rivalry football banter...ever heard of it? The fact that the 'big' 2 London clubs won...erm...nothing this year?

Not sure I said there was anything wrong with it?

Who on earth would be happy for their star player to leave?

You 'heard something about' it? That makes it true then? Have United commented on it like Real have about Ronnie? In fact have United commented on it at all?

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Ahem! We won the league cup this year :p: ;)

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La Liga perhaps :p:

Not that awsome, without Ronaldo United wouldn't have won the league

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You keep on refering to 'alot of United fans' i'm not sure who they are but they don't seem to have the overall opinion of fans that i know. If you had the best player in the world playing for your club ofcourse you wouldn't want him to leave, you would be stupid not to, but when a player thinks he's bigger than the club it's time for him to leave which is the opinion of United fans i know. It's happened in the past when the likes of Beckham and Van Nistelrooy who were seen as star players left United and everyone claimed it was the end of United's dominance but were proven wrong. One player doesn't make a team and Ferguson has proven that time and time again. Ofcourse he would want to keep Ronaldo and so would the fans but saying that 'most United fans' think him leaving will be the end of the success is rubbish and totally untrue.

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If you bothered to actually read what I said I didn't say it was true... You know following up a statement with If True usually implies that the person making the original statement is not sure whether its true or not.

Anyway I bored discussing this - especially with Utd fans who can't see the hypocricy of their reactions to Ronaldo wanting to leave. .............

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He said big 2 not bottom 2 :p:

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For the first (and only!) time, he makes a post I can agree 100% with :D

It's hypocricy to not want the best player in the world to leave us...yeah right :dozey:

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I'm sure you would feel the exact same way if you had the best player in the world playing at your club and they wanted to leave, if not theres something wrong.

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You really havent been following this topic on this thread carefully have you. The hypocricy is nothing to do with you not wanting your best player to leave- its everything to do with Utd fans moaning at Real for luring / enticing / unsettling their star man. It's nothing that Man Utd haven't been guilty of in the past with some of their dream signings.

Maybe you need to take of those red tinted glasses you migh be wearing - its certainly affecting your ability to read, maybe even to understand too.

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No need to resort to insults just because you're getting nowhere with your point. I don't see any United fans on here making much of a fuss over Real - certainly not me.

I think you'll find it's the United staff who are kicking up the fuss.

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You've obviously missed a lot of posts from Shadow Demon UK!

Personally I don't see what all the fuss is about. Ronaldo has won everything at Man United it's not surprising he wants to go somewhere new, particularly in Spain as he's Portuguese. All this talk of loyalty is just nonsense. Is Ferguson loyal to his players when he decides he no longer wants them to play for his club? No of course not, he disregards the fact that they're under contract and gets rid of them.

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He's registered his feeling on the matter like any fan would.

So SAF wasn't loyal to Ronnie after the 'winker' incident?

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You said you hadn't seen any Man United fans making much of a fuss over Real. He clearly did, so one can only assume you missed those posts.
He was loyal to him then because he still wanted him to play for his club. Once Ferguson doesn't want people to play for his club they're gone regardless of contract. It works both ways.

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Well 'one' can interprit his posts any way 'one' wants to!

Isn't that how football works though? Once a manager no longer wants or needs a player he gets them transfered? Or does he keep them on staff, taking up money each week in wages?

Excuse me for stating the flippin' obvious....

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The point i was orignally making was before he made his intentions clear that he wanted to leave, in fact he said he was going to stay. Also it wasn't making a fuss over the fact that Real are intrested in Ronaldo, i was just making the point of how Real's pursuit of Ronaldo was different to that of United's in the past, other members escalated that after i made my point.

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Indeed one can 'interprit' his posts anyway they want!
Yes that's exactly how it works. And once a player no longer wants to play for a club they get transfered and leave. That's also how it works. There's very little loyalty in football anymore, outside of the fans.

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Gary Neville, Ryan Giggs, Paul Scholes, RVN.....

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Hmmm possibly. These all played for the top club in England though, so it's quite easy to be loyal then, and at least 2 of them weren't particularly loyal to their country. The only one I can think of in recent times who was loyal to their club, in spite of some massive offers, is Matt Le Tissier.

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Carrick, Hargreaves, Rooney, Ronaldo ..............

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So signing for United is considered disloyal?

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Yes Russ :rolleyes: you know full well the point I am making

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With Rooney and Ronaldo I think I can see what you're saying. Not sure about the first two though :confused:

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Carrick and Hargreaves both demanded moves after their clubs said they weren't for sale, which I don't have to much of a problem with per se, what really annoys me is when they are kissing the club badge one moment and demanding a transfer the next

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So they wanted to be transfered to a bigger and more successful club. Remind me again, this is connected to Ronaldo how? If a player shows ambition then you'd regard him as disloyal?

In any case, there's a quiet rumour going around that Ronnie's got no intentions of joining Real yet, but is pushing for an improved contract offer from United.

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Are Man Utd more successful than Bayern? And Real are a lot more successful than United, hell even Liverpool are more successful than United, not that it matters, the fact is the players were under contract and despite the fact their clubs didn't want to sell them a certain other club wouldn't take no for an answer and re your loyalty point, presumably you'd have no problem with him going then if that's your attitude

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Looks like Barca have made a move for Arshavin

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...ia/7470415.stm

A fair few premiership defenders can rest a bit easier tonight ;)

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Arsenal striker Emmanuel Adebayor is closing in on a switch to Milan, according to the Togo international's agent.


Wow.

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Wow, some actual transfer rumours :eek: ;)

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I bet there are plenty of Utd fans hoping Ronaldo would follow Adebayor's example below:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...al/7477527.stm

He's cut out all speculation by releasing a clear cut statement. Good on him.

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Oh really!

Now! You were saying?

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Well I stand corrected. I hadn't read anyything to the contrary when I made my original post. In that case if its true that he was still umming and aaahing an hour later then he is as much of a numpty as ronaldo regarding fueling speculation.

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Lampard In Milan To Complete Inter Switch

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Togo striker Emmanuel Adebayor said there was a good chance he could be leaving Arsenal to join Barcelona.

"Barcelona have made a good financial offer," Adebayor told the News of the World. "Yes, I am still under contract to Arsenal but it is up to the directors to satisfy my demands, otherwise I will leave."

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Deco to Chelsea

Link

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"verry happy to be here"

Wait until he starts getting kicked around against some of the premiership pub teams or, heaven forbid have to play in the snow ;)

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I think thats a good signing, he's still a quality player and a good replacement for Lampard.

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Chelsea owner Roman Abramovich has told new boss Luiz Felipe Scolari that at least one Russian should be at the club.
The Brazilian now faces a choice between signing one or more of the country's Euro 2008 heroes from a choice of Andrei Arshavin, Yuriy Zhirkov, Akinfeyev Akinfeyev and Roman Pavlyuchenko.

Intresting.

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Seen Arshavin a few times of which he's only really had that one bad game, looked a bit tasty when St Petersburg played Everton earlier in the season. The most consistently decent player out of the lot over Euro 2008 was definitely Zhirkov though

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Just seen the sports pages in the Mirror it says that Abramovich has tabled a 12 million bid for Arshavin. He would be a great buy

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It would be an intresting signing. He went missing in Russia's biggest game of the competition and he's already 27, if he's that good surely we would have heard his name before these championships? But if he plays to the standard he did agianst Holland it will be a good signing.

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I bet Scolari is wondering what he let himself in for. There was a brilliant, funny article in a paper (Express I think, can't remember) which was a spoof ad for the Chelsea manager's job, after Grant got sacked. Amongst other things it stressed the need to accommodate Abramovich's demands to play manager when he feels like it.

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When Grant took over there were alsorts of things written about reasons for Jose's sacking - one of them being that he (Jose) hadn't played Shevva enough for Abramovich's liking and that Shevva hadnt been given a decent chance in the team.

That didnt change when Grant took over. If what we read about Roman picking the team (or influencing the team selection) is true then there would have been notable changes in Grants line up.

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If you paid attention to last seasons UEFA cup then you would have heard of him, he had a superb competition

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Who was the manager when Chelsea signed Bosingwa?

Yes and you cut the last part of my post of saying that he has played well against Holland, i didn't say he was a bad player. Sorry for not following Zenit St. Petersburg's UEFA cup run :rolleyes:

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I personally think that Chelsea had already decided to appoint Scolari very soon after Grant was sacked. I don't for one minute think that a decision to appoint him was made during the Euros. I do believe that Scolari would have made some indication that this is a player he wanted. I also dont think that Boswinga would have signed for a managerless club.

The uncertainty surrounding the club around the Euros - for example with papers saying players are going because thye dont know who the manager will be etc, forced Chelsea to reveal Scolari as a signing.

All my opinion of course, but it does make perfect sense.

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So in one breath you state you hadn't heard of him before the Euro's and then try a berate some one who points out he was excellent in the UEFA cup the next, top use of sarcasm there young man and btw him playing well against Holland was irrelevant to my post.

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Arsenal have been given a 'take-it-or-leave-it' £30m offer by Barcelona for striker Emmanuel Adebayor. (Various)

Don't know about you but I'd take it

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AC Milan vice-president Adriano Galliani has said the Italian club have received a "huge" offer from Chelsea for Brazilian playmaker Kaka. (La Stampa, 1342 BST)

Wonder how much they have offered :scratch:

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...td/7513117.stm

Not heard anything about this from Tottenham sources (i.e the website or the press) but considering Fergie's displeasure at Real Madrid, the words kettle, black and pot coming to mind.

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i can see keane and barry at liverpool in the next 2 weeks as well
shame as they really need a sneaky winger as well