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I was wondering when somone would post that ;)

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Zut alors! :p:

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I really hope the Italy v Holland match is more exciting than the French match, very dull and boring from the French, showed nothing to make me feel they will get through that group.

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For the sake of football, I really hope I've just seen the two losers of that group.

France v Romania truly awful. :disturbd:

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Shocking decision for that first Dutch goal, is the linesman blind???

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Holland winning 2-0

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What a game! :clap: :clap:

( Not France - Rumania ;) )

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i want p[ortugal to win the tournament, but i do have holland in my fantasy footy sweepstake and look set to win 80 quid :)

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Fan bloody tastic :D :cleader: :cleader: :cleader:

One of the best games ever!

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totally correct.... was deffo the best game of the euro2008 sofar

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Before this game you could have put a bet on Holland at 12/1. It's 5/1 now. :shocked: :D

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I wouldn't get too excited, the term peaking too soon comes to mind and has happened to the Dutch many a time ;)

3-0 was extremely flattering for the Dutch, especially when the first goal shouldn't have been given, could have been a totally different game...

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I can't believe Van Nistelrooy cheated for that first goal, he was never like that when he played for United. ;)

The second goal was pure class, perhaps a United player will get his hands on another trophy this year. :cool:

Funny how the teams who play in all blue are coming up short, nothing new there then this season. :D

Jim.

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Credit to him though, he could have gone down for a penalty earlier...

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Well, some people are saying that the Italian that was behind the goal line played RVN on-side, as he left the field without permission from the ref. Personally, I'm not sure. Anyway, it was a fully deserved win. No-one can argue with that ;)

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The guy was flat on his back behind the goal!?! Are these "some people" just Dutch people? lol

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Nope, I'm just reading 606. Many people there are saying it. Even an Italian bloke. Apparently, it's not up to him to leave the pitch. anyway, as I said I don't know the specific rules. You can't argue with the win though.

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'Left the field without permission', he was splattered over the line by Buffon, I don't think he had much say in wether he left the field or not.:D

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I knew you had to have permission to go onto the field after injury, why would you need permission to go off the field?

Holland deserved the win.....just.

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Well, he did make a remarkable recovery afterwards, so it was doubtful he was injured. Anyway, I'm not going to have a brilliant evening ruined. Holland outclassed Italy. They deserved the win :)

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To prevent people from going off the field to play someone offside, apparently :)

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Quite right!


Linky

It is, however, a grey area, I think.

But well done to the Dutch, great result. :tu:

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Dutch looked top notch.

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You don't nor do you need permission to come back on in such circumstances, the linesman blew it, he'll be lucky to get another match this tournement.

A great result never the less, a triumph for decent football over the depressing Italian game

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From what i've read he actually got it right. Someone posted this somehwere else, he's Dutch and obviously could have made it up but it looks legit.

11.11 DEFENDER LEGALLY OFF THE FIELD OF PLAY
A defender who leaves the field during the course of play and does not immediately return must still be considered in determining where the second to last defender is for the purpose of judging which attackers are in an offside position. Such a defender is considered to be on the touch line or goal line closest to his or her off-field position. A defender who leaves the field with the referee's permission (and who thus requires the referee's permission to return) is not included in determining offside position.

If thats the case the rules wrong and needs changing, it's stupid if a players injured and goes off the pitch himslef he's still active and playing people onside. He was clearly not just jumping out of play to get players offside. Surely we want no/fewer stoppages in the game and going off yourself would help, obviously not though, you need to wait for the referee to tell you to go off which would just waste more time.

Also i thought the Italians played some excllent football last night and deserved a couple of goals, they had more shots on target than the Dutch ;)

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It was good to see those diving Italians Torpedoed by the Dutch :D

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Its one thing to criticise officials for making the wrong descision, but another thing to criticise them for making the right one.

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You know where I got my info from, Graham Poll, yes he who gave some one 3 yellow cards during the world cup finals, so he could well be wrong again, what was I thinking listening to him, although I remember a liverpool Everton cup final when Stuart McCall scored Tony Cottee was of the pitch, shouldn't he have been given offside according to that Dutchman :shrug:

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I'm dubious about this one. According to the letter of the law (have a look around the web, the rule was applied correctly), RVN is onside, and it actually makes sense. If you can play someone offside by leaving the field, what's there to stop the defenders lining up on the goal line and stepping outside just before the free kick is taken?

I do think RVN is offside according to the spirit of the law, as the defender did not leave the field in order to play RVN offside. I think this rule needs looking at, but as it stands it's a valid goal.

BTW: The penalty shout: If RVN would have gone to ground, it would have been a stone wall penalty. He didn't but he clearly was denied a goal scoring opportunity, and didn't get a penalty. That's a bit silly as well isn't it?

Edit: UEFA supports decision

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I read what Graeme Poll said in the paper as well, it doesn't suprise me that he doesn't know the laws of the game. I think the rule should be that the decision should be down to the referee and linesman as to whether the player leaving the field is doing so to gain an advantage or whether he is hurt/injured and then make the decision whether the offside should be given or not. The linesman made the right decision last night but the rule should be looked at because of circumstances like last night.

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Keith Hackett thinks it was a goal but I tend to treat his comments with the contempt they deserve, as do all hammers fans

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...08/7445476.stm

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It's a shame really that the discussion over this goal dominates what was a great match, and a fantastic display of attacking football by Holland.

I think this link, which includes Holland's second goal, is more entertaining. That Sneijder goal gets better every time I watch it.

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Sneijders goal was just pure class cant say much about that...nearly as good as van Basten's goal in '88

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so the 1st HAT-TRICK goes to DAVID VILLA.....

poor ruskies and they even beat England before

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IKEA are leading 2-0 against the defending champions :)

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What they need now is to pack the defence with a flat back four ;) (all called Billy? ) :D

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just hope the 2 non footballing nations (romania and Greece) dont get through at all.

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Their key player is called Allen, allegedly :D

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are you posidriv about that ? :D

- sorry, didn't mean to go too far off topic, but couldn't resist the IKEA snipe - :)

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Hope you enjoy your new swivel chair... :erm:

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Good grief man... IKEA sell a £13.99 swivel chair called 'snipe' and you know this, and you about it on a public forum by way of a pun? Have you no shame? :erm:

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Clumsily GIMPed screenshot, it's actually SNILLE :D

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Oh dear. You know the IKEA catalogue front to back don't you? (Or is it just the really cheap items?) :p:

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Isn't everything in IKEA really cheap? ;)

You could probably put a football team together using catalogue item names, a new thread anyone? :D

A - Z catalogue here...

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Some things are good value for money, and will last a life time (Billy bookcases comes to mind). A lot of their stuff is really cheap tat. :)

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Are ITV paid by Ronaldo to talk about him ALL THE TIME or something?! wow.

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Croatia are looking quite tasty. They're 1-0 up against Germany at half time.

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2-0 to Croatia :D

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Croatia 2 Germany 1, and the first :redcard: of the tournament goes to Bastian Schweinsteiger.

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CROTIA BEAT GERMANY :o:

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Umm, yes, and that's what it says in the post immediately above yours...

(He didn't SHOUT either) ;)

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Does this mean it will most likely be Portugal v Germany in the next round?

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Yes, if I'm not mistaken head to head results count before goal difference, so a draw against Austria would suffice for Germany.

So: Portugal - Germany QF, Germany lose the semi to Croatia :)

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You're assuming we'll beat what looks like the Czech Rep. I'm not so sure.

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Are you supporting Croatia? I agree, that match is a tough one to call. Czech Republic haven't really impressed so far, but Croatia weren't exactly firing on all cylinders against Austria either.

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Are you assuming Germany will beat Portugal? We will beat the Orange army to win it.

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No, joking more like. I think Portugal are better than Germany. Then again: never write off the Germans.

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Not quite sure what all the fuss has been about really with all this "shock win" malarky. Croatia are a very good side and Germany weren't exactly stellar against a very poor Poland side: they really didn't play as well in that first match as the tv lot are trying to make out.

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True Croatia normally do ok and the Germans were terrible. We can never write off the Germans.

I wonder if Italy will finish 3rd or not

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Yes.

Don't also forget that Eduardo's out, he really is about the only goalscorer in the side.
Yes, and they're a much better side with Eduardo, I still worry where the goals come from.

That said Modric and Krancjar create a lot (looking forward to Modders in the Prem) and Olic isn't a bad finisher.

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Romenia - Italy 1-1. Fantastic penalty save by Buffon.

Holland - France next...

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What a save from Buffon! Keeps their hopes of qualifying alive.

I fancy France to win in the next game.

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Holland 1-0 France :D

Great Kuyt header from corner, terrible marking by the French.

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I am so glad I picked Holland in the sweep stake..... What a goal by Robben. !

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Brilliant piece of skill by Ruud for the second Dutch goal :D

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And that was bettered by Schneider's awesome strike!

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Yes it was.... i want to see Portugal meet Holland in the final.

Its only a shame that Italy & France aren't out after that earlier penalty save.

I love seeing Henry not get anything go his way through most of that game!

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hup holland hup laat de leeuw niet in z'n hempie staan

4-1 against the french, beaten the italians 3-0 who would've thought that? :D :D :D :D :D


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bit tongue in cheek moment... http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=b9uzkCHJAPw

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I honestly thought v.Basten would throw Johnny Heitinga on into the centre of the park to settle things down when the French had that good spell at the start of the 2nd half but he thought, nah sod it we'll just attack them! brilliant stuff.

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The French were tougher than expected, and I certainly had a few more scares than against Italy, but at the end of the day the scoreboard reads:

Holland 4 France 1.

The group of death, after two games:

Holland 6 points
Romania 2 points
France 1 point
Italy 1 point

Holland scored 7, conceded 1, and are through to the QFs with a game in hand. No-one in Holland would have dared predict this. Great stuff...

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To throw on Robben and van Persie both on was a very brave decision. Credit to Robben, he rewarded his manager's faith in him, I think he was outstanding when he came on. To make one and score one was awesome.

I do like van BAstens style. I think he saw that the French were likely to stream forward looking for goals, and he exposed their difficulty to getback by catching them superbly on the counter attack.

Does Martin o'Neil not like Holland, he's comments after the game were a bit flat I thought.

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I didnt rate the hansen, shearer, lineker and O'neill comments at all....

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I think ONeil said something along the lines of "its easy to score when France are chasing goals" and they didnt really give Robben much credit for his goal, blaming the keeper. RObben was surrounded by 3 defenders when he hit the roof of the net, and Schneiders finish was top notch whether in teh 1st, or 91st minute.

I think they (the pundits) are still eating sour grapes over the fact that England aren't there.

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I would like to point out that Hansen is Scottish and O'Neill is Irish ;)

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have to say if it wasnt for the adds on itv I would rather have them commentating then that terrible 4 some ,at least on ITV they have a Dutch pundit in Boudewijn Zenden and another from the opposite side.

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And Shearer's an idiot ;)

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This one's not bad either :D

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=OW7aPU...eature=related

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It's going to be interesting to see what teams Croatia and Holland field in their final games, as both teams have already won their groups. The last thing they'll both want, is to pick up suspensions or injuries for the quarter finals.

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KNowing that a Romanian victory will knock out Italy and France from the tournament, I can see teh Dutch taking things very easy in their last game.

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Can you imagine the look on Platini's face, if the dutch team sheet has half a dozen name changes. ;)

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:D

I would love it if that happens, there would be more claims of teams cheating if it does lol

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wouldnt be suprised at all if the strongest side is going to get a rest.

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I can see Van Basten resting some players, but I don't see him fielding a deliberately weak team. What's he going to do, take off Van Nistelrooy and bring on Huntelaar? :D

Did anyone notice the ITV pundits going on over Ruud's 'offside' goal again last night? They showed some footage from the Spain game (IIRC) where a player was off the pitch and they were saying he was offside (according to UEFA's interpretation of the law). Thing was, it was an attacking player that was off the pitch, not a defender. Are they not aware that the offside rule distinguishes between attackers and defenders, or are they just blatantly ignoring that fact to 'prove' they are right in saying Ruud was offside? (I think it's the latter)

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Someone at the BBC still sore over the Koeman incident then? ;)

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That may well be, but this was ITV ;)

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Ahh I thought you were on about the incessant nonsense spewed forth by Lineker, Hansen and Shearer. I don't mind O'Neill he's mad as cheese and clearly there just to wind the other 3 up :D

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So tonights GROUP game against Turkey & Czech rep can go to pens?!

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Yes, if it's a draw in that game.

I wonder what would have happened if they weren't playing each other in the last game and they were level like they could be tonight. Would they have to meet up and have just a penalty shoot-out somewhere? Maybe a pub carpark lol

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I believe FIFA ranking will be the decider then (with the highest ranked team going through).

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Nice and fair from FIFA again i see :rolleyes:

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It gets decided on qualifying coefficients.......

Linky

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UEFA actually. :) What would you suggest then?

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A little off topic but Paraguay are beating Brazil 2 - 0 in their world cup qualifier.

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WOW@Turkey!

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Well done Turkey: What a fight back!

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Turkey v Czech Republic - Game of the tournament so far, incrediable!

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Agreed....well the second half anyway.

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That was a fantastic game, (for the neutrals of course) :)

After their second half performance Turkey fully deserved the win.

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Worth it to watch Petr Cech's face really :)

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Poor old Cech :)

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Great game..... I think the Turks will be feeling unbeatable going into the quarters.

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shame italy gone through but hey Holland beat Romania :D

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Group of Death, do me a favour, France were S****, Italy managed only one goal from open play and Romania were average to say the least.

Much as I would love to see Holland, Spain or Portugal win the competition I fear that Holland will burn out and Spain & Portugal will bottle it.

That leaves Italy and Germany to bore their way to the final unless of course dark horses Croatia surprise everyone.;)

Jim.

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I didn't expect VB to make this many changes. But, a convincing win (something Italy and France couldn't manage), and apart from Timmer (3rd Goalie), all players have now had their minutes. Nice touch.

Three games played, 9 points, 1 goal conceded, and 9 goals scored by 7 players. Looking good...