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yes but you cant use a different encryption on a CAM that isint that type of encryption.

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You can if its re-programmed! They are embedded CAMs within the STB not a seperate device. Re code the box and the CAM.

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im surprised that they even said that they were going to collect the STBs with most pl they dont even care enough to say that.

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while it maybe possible by law you cant mess with CAMs whether they are embedded or not. also whats the point when the only system that hasnt been hacked is Videoguard & VM aint part of News Corp so even if they wanted to use it they wouldnt be allowed to. so it aint gonna happen.

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buy a MacroMaster Gold & some good quality gold plated scart leads & then like me you too will be able to record VOD & PPV :o) btw im using a VHS/DVD Recorder & it works grand.

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They seemed to care a little more 18 months ago. The boxes must be really obsolete now.

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from what ppl have been saying on other forums the older the receiver the easier it is to hack them.

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Absolute codswallop! By law! Who's law? A magical international law!

Simulcrypting is built into the DVB spec, LOL.

I'll say again nobody has hacked any encryption system. Backdoors have been found into some cards.
NDS are clever people who spend a lot of money fiercely protecting their technology. They also change the encryption every now and then. Sky are on whats known as the p2 or phase 2 encryption. The smartcards were all changed when they made the change. The law which prevents them making changes to their embedded CAMs must have been overlooked, LOVL!

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it was the smart cards that were changed not the CAMs/hardware. i rest my case.

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The Police are clamping down on people mugging, so because you see it happening you dont help the police and just let them get on with it?

Ok thats a very poor example, but the point being people are coming on here saying they steal cable services. If they are or are not, that is their problem, why let them do it and a chance of them getting away with it, which also could be affecting our cable services?

I really think were we can help, we should be and not just leave it up to virgin to sort it out, when surely even if its just 1 person we can catch, its worth it.

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LOL, if the encrytion didn't change then whats the point of changing out the smartcards?
Every NDS installation is different - no two sites ever use exactly the same encryption method, thats why smartcards used in America are useless in the UK for example.
When NDS decided to change the encryption new software was put into the STB's, ntl at the time also had to put new software onto all of their digital recievers to cope with the Sky encryption system change. NDS certainly changed the Sky encryption system, and no doubt will do sso again at some point in the future.
Also you said earlier NDS only supply encryption to News Corp companies, again thats wrong have a look here at their customers - http://www.nds.com/customers/customers.html

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Eventually they do, however people who use dodgy boxes generally take out the cheapest subscription to Virgin TV they can in order to keep their connection alive. In fact it's even easier now VM are giving away TV with a phone line.

They really aren't helping themselves.

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The CAM is just an interface to the encryption system, it's the smart card which is the key so to speak so that's why the cards got changed.

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As you said, that's a very poor example. Stealing service does not affect us all - mugging does. We are set up to give help and support to cable customers. I'm sure there are plenty of websites that are set up to catch criminials (or whatever you want to call people getting services they're not paying for) and would welcome infomation on these people. But that's not why we're here. We are not going to do VM's job for them. We do not receive any payment from them. I'm not saying that if we did then we would pass on the information. But we are idependant.

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It was an example that still stands though. It wouldnt affect me if a person was getting mugged as I wouldnt be getting mugged.

Anyway lets forget about that. If people are addmiting to stealing a service which can affect other peoples services on a forum about the services we use, surely we should be helping Virgin trying to fight these people wether thats what we are here for or not. Why turn a blind eye to it. Its not as if it would make much more work either as once people know thats what you do, they will soon stop talking about it, so either way, Im guessing it benefits us either way.

You are not doing Virgins job for them, you are helping them and other people with cable services. Just like when you phone the Police and go out to help the person been mugged, you are helping the Police and the person been mugged.

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Nope, the smartcard contains the master key which is easily changed (Virgin are changing their master keys a number of times a day now). A key change does not require a new card. NDS fundamentally changed Skys encryption, hence the need for new software in both Sky STB's, and in the Proffesional receivers in the super and regional headends, and new smartcards. Escapee or Stu038 may remember the big job ntl had with upgrading the professional receivers for Skys P2 change.

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Just an update for all those that want to know.


Those that are stealing cable are still having a hard time and some are whinging like mad :LOL:

Info from reading the OTHER forums

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As has been demonstrated in this thread, VM don't need our help.

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Every little helps, surely.

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If they were in a position to need our help, I'm sure they would have already approached us for assistance. I can catagorically confirm that VM have never made any such approach to us.

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thing is most of this problem is the cable companies fault.

They hardly ever collect there boxes after a cancellation and the boxes start circulating.

I know they cant watch them but even a vast amount of vm engineeres are selling or doing peoples boxes for them.

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But surely again, if you can point out someone is using there service illegally, it would not only help them but also potentially help Virgins customers, some of which use this site. I dont see why anyone would sit back and let people openly admit they are stealing Virgins services, especially one a site such as this one and especially as a lot of people moan about these thats teal the services.

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And how would you know if they are really stealing it and not just saying they are shawty? you just can't wander around shouting things about people.

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And what proof would we be able to offer?

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...and how do you know they are "just saying they are" ??

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Isnt that their problem in the first place for being pretty stupid? Then again, what if they are. Its not like you would be doing anything wrong. You would pass on information to Virgin with evidence of the person stating what they were doing.

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The part when someone admits to stealing cable or the hackers saying they are hacking it.

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Wouldnt that be their own problem for being so stupid? You would just be passing on information to a potentially illegal situation, were if it wasnt true, they would only have themselves to blame. You wouldnt even have to pass on personal information, just pass on the post made and let Virgin decide what they want to do.

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What information do you think should be passed on...?

You have to consider that it's almost likely that a chipped STB user is also using a cloned modem, so an IP address from such a user on here, is not going to be useful information to pass on to Virgin.

Great thats a confession - now what's needed is the identity of the poster, which will be hard to trace, as per what I was saying above.

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We don't know whether they are or not.

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As such, we could end up passing the IP of an innocent person to VM..

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What 60 secs to update a file 2/3 times a day.

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Why would you want to do that? I dont have to do that, so what are gaining from it? The threat of facing jail everytime you wake up?

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well said its the smart cards not the CAMs.

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mate you clearly dont know how cable works. at the head ends the channels are received (from Sky in VMs case) & then rebroadcast on VMs network. for what you said to work we would need two CAMs both Videoguard & Nagravision & what would be the point in that ? it would make more sense if we only had Videoguard CAMs in that case.

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What could it be? Free cable, maybe? Personally, I find it hard to see what anyone gains from watching cable at all. Virgin's offerings are really quite poor compared to Sky.

Heh, let's not get hysterical, shall we? :) I don't think anyone has ever faced a jail term for stealing cable. It's a lesser offence than speeding, which I imagine most people around here do, or have done at some point or another, and you're unlikely to get more than a small fine, probably in the region of what 2 or 3 months worth of paying for full cable might have cost. Now, if you go around selling chipped boxes, though, that's a different story.

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also dont forget that some ppl use proxies when they browse the web so their IP address could say that their in America for example.

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exactly you can get more channels for free on Sky then you can on VM XL TV eg True Movies, True Moves 2, Zone Thriller, France 24, Russia Today, BET UK etc

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in the respect of 'losttheplot' I would be be very surprised if he didn't know how it all worked - In your case I would be much more sceptical, sorry ;)

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to be fair we have noway of knowing either way so while ppl shouldnt go bigging themselfs up saying that they are. you cant go shouting the odds at someone unless you have facts & have seen them getting services for free.

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ok so according to you & losttheplot we have two CAMs in our STBs lol mate do a search on yahoo or google it'l tell you all about it on there ;)

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here is an example of how it works (note that although this page refers to american cable the basic principles are the same):


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cable_television_headend

<edit Rob: Cut & Paste text deleted - Do not breach copyright of other sites. Link and paste small sections only, not the entire article>

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For argument's sake if say VM were to read these posts and saw the ones of people openly admitting to stealing cable, if they wanted to would it be possible for them to find out who the "said" person was by using the technology they have available to them?:confused:

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& here is some info about the Samsung SMT-2110C STB (official page):


http://www.samsung.com/global/busine...b2b_prd_id=116



The Standard Digital Cable Set-top Box uses Euro DOCSIS Cable Modem for return path, enabling users to enjoy various Interactive Services.

* MPEG2 MP@ML Decoder
* DOCSIS 1.0/1.1, Euro-DOCSIS 1.0 Cable Modem
* Network I/F (10/100 BaseT Ethernet)
* NTL iEPG Application Software
* SeaChange DTV Navigator 1.2.7(Middleware)
* Nagravision Conditional Access System (H6 Level)
* ISO 7816 CA Smart Card

CPU CONEXANT CX24153, 225MHz
DRAM 32MB
Flash Memory 4MB
Video Codec. MPEG1/2 MP@ML
Audio Codec. MPEG1/2 Layer I/II, AC-3
Copy Protection Macrovision
CAS / DRM Nagravision
OS VxWorks
Middleware / Browser Liberate DTV Navigator
Audio Interface SPDIF Optical
Video Interface TV SCART, VCR SCART
I/O Interface Ethernet, RS 232C
Network Interface Cable Modem v 1.1
Dimension (unit : mm) 310(W) x 225(D) x 53(H)

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no, I'll stick with ltp - as a legitimate subscriber the stealing of services shouldn't concern me, too much, but I do support any effort to ensure it is kept within 'acceptable' limits that don't impact on my overall service ;)

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i would of thought that if they could prove that the IP address was indeed that persons, then they maybe able to, but that might require them going to the persons address. does anyone know if they can do this remotely at all ?

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lol i love it how ppl are unable to admit that they are wrong when they have the facts placed in front of them.

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'facts' - i'm still with ltp :)

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read the info on page 9 theres the facts.

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Hello mate!
I'll try to keep it simple for you.
Virgin use some Tandberg TT5020 IRD's which have some Videoguard CAMs and Sky cards. This gives Virgin the un-encrypted transport streams from Sky. Are you with me? The videoguard has been stripped off at this point.
Virgin then remultiplex the services into their own transport streams and finally add in the Nagra encryption.
When NDS updated Sky's encryption, ntl had to put new software on the 5020's, and on each of the CAM's within the 5020's. ntl also had to update the software on all the TT1220's and the 3000 series IRD's in the regional headends around the country which provide the analogue cable feeds of Sky channels.

Any of the Headend Techs working in 2003 should remember the upgrade of the IRD's and ringing Sky to get the new Sky cards enabled!

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Surely somebody can see the irony in that post?

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Yes, and I think it was discussed 7/8 pages back :D

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Yeah, I saw that as I read on! Ha ha. Was just going to delete my post. Ho hum! :angel:

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as i said a few pages back VM get the channels from Sky & rebroadcast them on their network.

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And what if they are just boasting? People do that sort of thing.

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Yes and to do that they use TT5020's with Videoguard CAMs, which needed an upgrade when NDS changed Sky's encryption.
Like I said, when Virgin do change the encryption they will send new software to the STB's which will enable them to work with the new CA, very likely to be a new iteration of Nagra. Hopefully this time they won't use the same cards available in other parts of the country. From memory I think it was Nagra ROM10 and ROM11 which were first opened up in Spain/South America and people in the UK used the same methods on the same cards in the UK.

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\uugh
On the other hand, if VirginMedia weren't so damn expensive.. But then of people didn't steal, they wouldnt have to be so damn expensive. never the less they are still too damn expensive. They must know where the boxes are, unsubscribed boxes, more modems with same clone.. ho hum.. Hello.. go on a wee hunt. And start with them bloody students, they are the worst (i know, coz I used to live with some).
/uugh

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people r going to have to start paying for it expect virgin media phone lines to be jammed

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Jammed - because their dodgy box doesn't work anymore?

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Just out of curiosity, have any of the people who object to others "stealing" cable ever "stolen" MP3s or downloaded "illegal" movies or TV shows off the internet?

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Doesn't matter how much it costs, some people would just steal just out of principle

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People only obey laws which are reasonable, the length of time a copyright runs for is seen as unreasonable to most working people who only get paid once for a days work.

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Once upon a time, this forum would have closed topics like these but goodness things have changed.

If people are stealing cable, then to me that's up to the cable company to find them, cut them off, sue them, and brand them with a hot branding iron

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So how bad is this stealing services with rogue boxes. Anybody got some numbers to the severity of this problem.

What effect is this doing to us who have purchased services legitemately.

However on side note we do have differentiate what is serrious offences such as chipped dodgy boxes and not paying for it to VM I would say this the main issue many would be angry.

I would think if some perpetrators just use TV tuner card to computer. That would be to me minor offence if they already have suscribed service and want those subscribed channels on the tuner card or even be part of media centre.

I have DVB-C tuner in my TV. I would love this to tune to subscribed channels and work in tandem with the freeview box with channels what are not broadcasted on VM (sky three) etc.

To me this would be convenience but it would be technically illegal if managed to do it. But again I consider this a minor infringement as you already subscriber.

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Can't speak for anybody else, but I object to people stealing cable services, and I've never illegally downloaded anything :)

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Yeah, but you read the Mirror, so we don't believe you anyway.

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Actually, I think you'll find that I only look at the pictures :)

Anyway, at least I paid for it :D

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We went down to our local market today and as we were stood near the computer spares stall a bloke came up complaining that his 'box' wouldnt work,the bloke on the stall gave him 2 codes and said they were working this morning but if they aren't working now he would have to go on the internet and get the newer ones.

He said they will need to keep doing this until virgin get bored of changing them :rolleyes:

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yep im not having ago but it wasnt me that tried to say that VM STBs use both Videoguard & Nagravision (they dont).

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i was just thinking the same thing.

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mate most ppl who have dodgy receivers pay for the cheapest VM TV package, so from what your saying what their doing is ok cuz they'v paid a subscription.

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true

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You assume he meant the daily newspaper.. He could have meant a mirror.

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No effect whatsoever, which is why I personally have no problem with people doing it. I find it far more offensive that people smoke, speed or drive drunk, effectively putting other people at risk.

The cable companies even benefit to an extent, considering that most dodgy box owners appear to have a minimum subscription, so it might not even be in their best interest to drive them to Sky instead, which seems like the better option, if you're going to pay full price anyway.

From a legal perspective, if you somehow managed to only access the same channels you have access to on your legal box, it could be argued that you weren't breaking the law, just your contract with the cable company, which states that you can't connect unauthorised equipment to their network.

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roflmao

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by law your not allowed to do this as your contract with VM is a legally binding document.

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Oi! You've seen my face - why on earth would I look in a mirror :shocked:

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But breaking your contract would surely be a civil offence, not a criminal one.

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No effect what so ever? tell that to people who have had bills for PPV they have not watched, filmflex movies they have not ordered...all because some *aherm* has a cloned box and is ordering everything (including VOD purchases)

It also has an effect on the bandwith, so where you got ur "no effect" from is beyond me?

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The illegal boxes in question use software emulation, not cloning.

There's no effect on the bandwidth, except with VOD services, which these boxes have no access to.

Final verdict: No effect.

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This shows just how much you know of the VM network, even with the boxes that dont use softtalk (cloning) someone gets the bill for those PPV events, i have seen this happen and had the misfortune to have subscribers shouting at me because of it.

They have access to filmflex and PPV, some of that is HD, again if you say it has no effect on bandwith then your mistaken.

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mate most ppl who have dodgy receivers pay for the cheapest VM TV package, so from what your saying what their doing is ok cuz they'v paid a subscription.

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You miss understood If they are just using a tuner card to get the exact service they currently subscribe I would have less reservations. PPL who buying the minimum and getting more is hugely wrong.

Like I said if people just merely trying increase functuality of there subscribed service I would have less issue. Although again it does breach T&C of service.

However traxdata came up with very good point that our bandwidth is being pushed to the limit by those who thief. So we are therefore suffering by those who steal. It also must be losing VM tons of money which inturn would reduce there debt and make it so they could improve service and upgrade.

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mate its still illegal.

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There are some serious book-keeping problems at VM HQ if someone gets billed for someone else accessing a stream that's going into their house anyway.

Such instances, and the tiny amount of bandwidth a VOD channel uses, would be too insignificant to be considered a problem for legal subscribers or the network as a whole.

Final verdict: No effect.

Not true.

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true but its still illegal.

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lol there is an effect mate.

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Again you show you have no idea how the VM network works, but thats ok.

Insignificant? obviously you have no idea how much bandwith VOD/PPV/HD streams use.

Let me guess, your also one who believes people with cloned modems also have no effect on the network right?

To say they have no effect, if you worked at VM you'd know half the over subscribed area's are from people stealing the services.

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No chance of you going to jail, like someone else suggested.

In terms of bandwidth, too insignificant to be considered an issue for legal subscribers.

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true its very unlikely that you'd get sent down for it, however its still illegal.

not if your in an over subscribed area.

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agreed

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SD VOD standards average 2-3mbit, as far as I'm told. Very few pirate boxes are HD compatible, so not an issue.

No, that clearly does have an effect. Different issue, though.

It's up to VM to disconnect feeds going to non-subscribers. If someone has a minimum subscription, the bandwidth capacity used by a dodgy box is not an issue.

Final verdict: No effect.

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yes it is an issue cuz their using more bandwidth then they'v been allocated, even more so if they're using PPV & not paying for it.

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2-3mbit you say, ok say thats true, multiply that by about 30-40 people who are illegally recieving services in that street/area alone, the bandwith bill really adds up, so yes it does have an effect, let's not forget most of the stealers also have a minimum package (net/tv) as well adding up to it.

Funny, i've seen quite a few that can do HD...and watching h264 1080p chews up alot of bandwith that i can assure you.

They do disconnect them when they are caught, problem is some local tech goes and wires everything back up for a tenner, OR and i have seen this happen many times (and even reported it to the police) people have the keys to the cabs and wire themself's back up.

I've also seen techs get threatened by people stealing services after he disconnected them all, the whole street was out in a gang with baseball bats telling him to either put them all back on or face the beating of his life, it's really not a nice experience to be in, fortunetly when it happened to me there was a fair few other techs with me and the police turned up.

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HD PPV maybe, but the vast majority of boxes aren't HD compatible or have VOD access, so the effect on other subscribers is insignificant. Probably less of a problem than VM's own accounting problems or potentially illegal fees.

I would be curious to hear TraxData's views on how this all breaks down in terms of numbers, though, or yours, if you have any insight into this. How big a percentage of the illegal boxes do VM believe have HD or VOD access? And surely cloned boxes aren't affected by these latest efforts anyway?

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I will grant you the issue where people are leeching off a non-subscribed feed, but I maintain it's VM's job to make sure those are disconnected. It doesn't add to bandwidth usage if people have a minimum subscription, though. Anyway, like I said above, I would be interested in hearing your views on how many cloned/HD/HD compatible boxes are believed to be around? My impression is that most boxes are SD-only software emulated boxes.

Given the grand total of 20 minutes worth of HD that's available with Virgin (rough estimate), not an issue. ;)

How Virgin enforce their disconnections is a different issue, though.

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i havent seen any HD hacked receivers however iv seen standard ones. so your telling me that ppl using PPV for free doesnt effect the network ? ok then roflmao

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I'm saying the vast majority of boxes don't have VOD access, and the small amount that do isn't enough for it to be a significant issue. I'm not 100% up to date on this, but I believe PPV events like wrestling and boxing are broadcast on a "regular" channel, as opposed to the ones only activated for VOD. Is this not correct?

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I have been going to a lot of faults lately for missing channels .There chipped box has gone off and they have put there paid for box put in .We find that some customers do this as there feed has been cut by us when we have been cleaning cabs out .I have also been aproached by people in the street who have said there box has gone off :)How long until they all go back are VM going to keep this up

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most hacked receivers that iv seen can use VOD/PPV for free.

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lol bully for the hackers then init.

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It is my understanding that the boxes that were hit by this latest Virgin offensive were the ones using software emulators. Correct? These boxes have no way to initiate a VOD request, nor do DVB-C card based systems. There is still no persuasive argument that dodgy boxes put any significant burden on the network or cause problems for legal subscribers. It does, however, seem clear that Virgin may in fact benefit from all the people who at least pay for a minimum subscription to ensure they have an active feed going to their dodgy boxes.

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Nobody said VM use Videoguard and Nagra. However when Virgin do upgrade their encryption (most likely to another version of Nagra) then they will simulcrypt which means two encryption systems will be used at the same time, until all the old smart cards are swopped out.

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im not sure what receivers ppl use 2bh.

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for what you were trying to say to work we would have to use two CAMs.

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Nope, nothing of the sort. You think you know how it works. I used to and still do work with STB's and Professional receivers, encryption and compression. I have worked in two of the Virgin Super Headends.

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Isnt that their problem? Hang on while I go and boast to the Police that Im stealing cable, just wouldnt happen would it. So if they are thinking of saying it, then they might think twice before they do. Whats the point in reporting any crime because people might be boasying about it.

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thats maybe so but cable-guy checked his facts on google so he knows :erm:

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Wait, isn't that where islamic terrorists supposedly go when they've martyred themselves? ;)

That's what evidence is for.

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No they get Super Virgins in the end, thats something completely different. I can see why you mixed them up though! ;)

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Exactly, so someone boasting they have stolen cable is evidence, and their own fault if they were lying.

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I guess the lesson here is that you should always read the fine print. :)

No, that's not evidence, I'm afraid.

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I've heard they've released some patch thingy for some boxes, didn't take them long did it to fix.

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Of course it is. If someone openly admits to stealing something, that is massive evidence. If then they are found out they were lying and the matter went to the Police, they would be charged for wasting Police time.

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No. I think you will find that he has not admitted anything to the police, but rather in a public forum under an assumed alias, and that there is no proof a criminal offence has actually been committed. This is not evidence anyone would take seriously or care about.

Incidentally, I stole a car yesterday. No, two.

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This is a pointless thread.Those that abuse the system will always justify themselves even to the point of downright denial and hugely enjoy all the attention.Either stop talking to these persons or put them on ignore but stop feeding them with attention.


Coggy off to ignore and unsubscribe.:walk:

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I would also note people ARE being arrested just for using cloned boxes/emu boxes, infact 9 people have been arrested today alone in west yorkshire.

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For "admitting" to using illegal boxes on a forum? ;)