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Perhaps the reverse should also be true - anyone who wants the right to live in this country should be prepared to die for it. That might focus a few minds :D

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8014265.stm

As always, the decent people who try to go about things according to the rules are penalised whereas all manner of illegal immigrants come here and are allowed to disappear into the system.....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...g-country.html

Perhaps the Gurkhas should come here in the back of lorries and claim asylum. They'd probably be better treated and have a much better chance of remaining here.

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Good. I would rather fund all 100k personally, than 1 illegal immigrant or asylum seeker.

Our government angers me in many ways but the way they treat these people who put their lives on the line for us makes me absolutely livid.

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So we might have to find the accomadation for 100.00 people that care about this country and many of them that served and were willing to die for this country and thats a problem. Remind me labour how many people have come to this country in the last twelve years you've been in power you hypocrites.

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I have a very strong feelings on this matter, the Gurkas should NOT have to seek or fight for anything in this country, they should be given everything they ask for, they live and die for this country, and stand by there fellow countrymen/women to the death.

The Gurka's have always been loyal to this country are treated with utter disgrace by all the governments that we have had, We have foriegn people that come into this country and get the red carpet treatment, housing, benefits, NHS treatment without any problems, for what have they done for this country, absolutley nothing, apart from taking it for all they can get, what to the Gurkas get, for dying for this country NOTHING, utter disgace, and Gordon Brown and his fellow pen pushers should hold there head in shame.:mad:

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Just shows the contempt that Brown has towards the Gurkha's. He has had the chance to step in and make sure that the outcome of this was in there favour but no his true side towards the armed forces is there for all to see. :mad:.

For that one reason alone i would never vote for anyone from his party as long as i have a (Well you know the rest) :).

Brown has no back bone and this shows that all the more. His party if they have any honour should tell him to right this wrong, But alas they are probably more interested in how they can order porn movies without getting court again, or how they are going to fund that second house they own and rent out. :rolleyes:

Labour send our troops into a war by using lies, Then fail to support them after when they need that support the most.

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I for one have to agree that the treatment meted out to these gentlemen is shabby and extremely mean spirited.:mad:

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Lib Dems will challenge the ruling:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8019745.stm

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First time i have ever said this.

Well done the Lib Dems :clap:. They have more backbone than the Labour party.

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Good to see them actually do something useful and right.

Our current government is happy to turn a blind eye to thousands who have given nothing to this country and come here illegally and simply for financial gain.

Nick Clegg has it exactly right in my opinion. If you are prepared to put your life on the line for this country there is NO question that you have earned the right to live here and be supported in your old age.

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How funny it is that we want the 100.000 Ghurkas and dearly want to get rid of one man in particular and cannot do it. I have and never have had anything but contempt for GB and each and everyday he gives me more reasons to continue with that feeling. These men deserve all that we can give them and certainly more then brown is getting and he can't even be bothered to help them one bit complete moron as far as i am concerned give us the election brown let us all show you how much we regard you.

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The irony is that the true figure is around 5000 to 6000 according to Joanna Lumley, the number of 100,000 is a red herring.

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I think the number of 100,000 relates not just to the soldiers themself but their dependents as well Froggie either way whatever the number i have no problem with any number of ghurkas coming here as they are committed hard working people that contribute wherever they go. Apart from anything else they have a fantastic sense of humour that cheers everyone up something we really could do with in this country right now :).

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8023882.stm

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Now all we have to hope is that the rest of them will see what the right thing to do is and if GB isn't happy about it he can go back to number 10 and continue having the splinters taken out of his backside. Just vote to let them in and be done with it do at least one good thing before you sod off.

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Good on them. It shows some of our MP's have morals

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i second that ,lost.

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Brown defeated over Gurkha rules

:clap::clap:

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Right now lets work on getting that down to "Brown Defeated" and we can all be happy.

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Excellent news.

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:woot:

Didn't know they were voting today! Well Done to the Lib Dems! :clap:Also the Tories and the Labour MP's who rebelled

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Now the fun begins in watching how this government try to find wiggle room...:rolleyes:

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Just to add

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8023882.stm

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Does anyone know how i check if my local Labour mp voted for or against on this vote.

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Is your MP amongst this lot

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8025587.stm

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No she is not

Therefor she is about to get a piece of my mind in a email. :mad:

Typical Labour Mp happy to use the Gurkhas to defend this country but not to let them live here.

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I have found a list of who voted here http://www.publications.parliament.u.../11.htm#hddr_3

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Well Helen Southworth has lost 3 voters in my house over this. Not a lot you can say but it all adds up as her majority is not that good.

Good ranting email also sent.

Smith, Geraldine
Smith, rh Jacqui
Smith, John
Soulsby, Sir Peter
Southworth, Helen
Spellar, rh Mr. John
Starkey, Dr. Phyllis
Stewart, Ian
Stoate, Dr. Howard

From the list of those who tried to sell the Gurkha's down the road

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Glad to be of service mate.;)

She took no part in the debate either. http://www.publications.parliament.u.../05.htm#hddr_4

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Glad to see my MP Peter Viggers did vote Aye..I'm not normally in such charity with him..:)

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My MP voted NO :dozey:email on its way

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Lazy cow

Wonder if she is claiming for being in London today.

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I didn't actually vote for her in the last election, but 'my' Labour MP voted against the Government, so good for her :tu:

I've sent an email to thank her :)

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Mine voted yes, hurrah!

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Mine is a Tory and of course voted yes. Good on em.

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I have every sympathy for the Gurkhas but let's face it, the Government doesn't exactly look after our indigenous troops perfectly does it - whether that be in terms of equipment and back-up in theatre or pay/conditions/ welfare out of theatre. Thankfully, due mainly to public pressure, that situation has started to change for the better but there are still too many veterans left on the scrap heap all too often with mental health issues and/or disabilities.

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My Mp is Labour and she did the Labour thing.

Voted No

Just shows what my Mp thinks of our Armed forces.

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My local MP is a Lib Dem - David Howarth - & voted Yes.

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It looks like my local MP has lived up to his name and voted with the government..David Lepper(Lab)
This gutless wimp has one of the most "loyal" voting records in the house since 97, on the "they work for you" website he has the glorious comment "hardly ever rebels" and where's it got him?
A bag carrier for some under PPS, zooming up that ziggeral eh Dave.:rolleyes:

I don't often say this but, thanks to the Tories.

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So it now looks like Brown and his Government has rejected 4 out of 5 claims by the Gurkhas. what a bunch of low life's.

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Right now the words that describe this current government are not suited for a family forum and this whole episode has shown just how incapable of leading this country GB is when he walks into the most blatant trap set for him.

His inability to really get control of this is embarassing for us as a people and a truly disgusting way to treat some of our finest servents and supporters for over two hundred years and while every ghurka can still hold their head up this government should hang theirs.

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Rizzy it sounds better if the last word in your post is removed.

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Gordan Brown is gutless. He has no honour and considering that yesterday he said HE would take control of the situation it shows exactly how he has done it. A gutless wonder who needs to be removed from office sooner rather than later. Even better put him in a room with a few Gurkha's.

Meanwhile the Government is possibly going to allow Illegal immigrants amnesty and let them live here. Having done absolutely nothing for this country but be a drain on our taxes. Labour supporters i hope you can sleep at night knowing what a bunch of low lifes you support.

You can bet there will be those that still defend what he has done to the Gurkha's and will try there damnedest to blame the Tory's

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Agreed

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"You can bet there will be those that still defend what he has done to the Gurkha's and will try there damnedest to blame the Tory's" Should such a person appear i am sure we can campaign for them to recieve the right medical help they need. There is absolutely no reason why this is happening and this governments handling of this has been a complete and utter joke. If anyone in the government had a tenth of the honour and integrity of a single ghurka this country would be a lot better off. I suppose we shouldn't expect some of our politicians to recognise the quality of the ghurka's when they don't have any of the same qualities to be familiar with them.

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What stuns me even more is that he has picked this time to show what a tit he is. June 4th is looking to be the worst ever local elections for Labour if you look at some of the indicators. So Brown has shot himself in the foot and good on him. Hopeful some more of the cretins that are in his party will be down the road after the 4th of June.

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Being honest Sirius m8 i think what we are seeing now is the true GB a man completely unable to respond to anything that isn't scirpted or foreseen and a person devoid of showing even basic emotions in a positive way. He is completely out of his depth right now and is struggling to cope damaging all of us in the process.

This issue was a no brainer from the start the ghurka's have always had the majority support from the british people hell we love them as much as they love us (hopefully that is still true despite how our government are treating them) and this should never have turned into the mess it is. Fact that it has really has shown us more about our government then many other things to date and it isn't good and it isn't what we as a people want representing us.

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To be fair I think it's obvious the letter that were sent out this week were a result of actions taken before they lost the vote and before Brown said he would reconsider the change.

Have to give credit to Joanna Lumley though

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Yeah that might be the case Damien but i am sure that someone could have found out what the decision was and notified the campaign thus avoiding that cringe worthy performance put on by wooly yesterday. He should be sacked immediately because never has a government minister been made to look suc a complete and utter prat as he was. I was absolutely stunned at what i was seeing when he was told what to agree to.

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People are incompetent, not really a surprise is it :p: I thought that confrontation was excellent, Lumley did well and knows how to get the job done it seems!

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Joanna Lumley has my total respect but it doesn't change the fact that only incompetent morons would have allowed themselves to be in the position she put them in in the first place and thats why we need to get shot of this lot now. I fully support the ghurka's and have always believed that any man that is willing to fight for this country has an automatic right to live in the place he volunteered to defend.

This government day by day is becoming a disgrace to the people of this country and making us another laughing stock nternationally with the incompetent way basic things are being handled and GB is still trying to tell other leaders he knows what they should be doing yeah right.

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Has everyone signed the online petition at http://www.gurkhajustice.org.uk/ over 210,000 people have signed so far.

The goverment really need to know how upset people are and out of touch they are.

JJ

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I'm pretty sure they know only too well.

Trouble is they are all extremely preoccupied with, what they consider, more pressing matters than The Gurkhas at the moment.

Namely that their Expenses Gravy Train looks like ending and their Expenses Frauds are being exposed to public scrutiny. I would like to hope that at least some of them are sick with worry about it but I suspect that they are so brass necked and divorced from reality that they are not even losing any sleep over it. :mad:

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My MP voted no, I sent him an email and I finally got a reply back 7 days later. My MP voted No the reason being, no-one seemd to know the answer to a vital queston that was asked!

"What impact would this proposal have on the Gurkha's homeland of Nepal, which is the 12th poorest country in the world?

My MP was worried that that a mass exodus of former Gurkha's and their families from Nepal to the UK, could have a devastating impact on the Nepalese economy, and provoke the PM of Nepal to put an end to the tradition of Gurkhas joining the britsih army, which he has the power to do

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My MP Helen Southworth voted no and has not replied to my 2 emails. She will NOT be getting my vote at the next election.

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That sounds like a crock of turds to me. The sort of excuse offered by someone who wants to toady up to the Party leadership but without looking like they're toadying up to the Party leadership.

Funny how nobody else seems to be raising that as a concern.

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Excuses and mp's are like night and day one always follows the other.

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It's very much looking like, if an MP, or the Government collectively, cannot make a profit from an endeavour then said endeavour is doomed to failure no matter how strong public opinion is.

Unless of course we are on the run up to an election.

I have a sneaky feeling that the Gurkha proposal will be sidelined until such a time and then brought out and passed in a blaze of publicity about how much this Labour Crew is concerned about Human Rights and fair play. :rolleyes:

Of course "Do The Right Thing" will still be the words they chortle over while they get legless quoffing their "paid for by the gullable taxpayer" tipples in the Commons Bar. :(

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This Goverment should hang its head in shame. Yesterday Cpl Kumar Pun, from the 1st Battalion The Royal Gurkha Rifles, died in a suicide attack protecting us from a fanatical terrorist organisation. How much more does the Labour Party need to be reminded of the dedication we see every day from the Gurkha's and everyone in the Armed forces. There is more honour in a Gurkha's little finger than in the whole of the Labour Party.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8041765.stm

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That must not be allowed to happen. We all must keep this in the public eye and not allow Brown and his gutless wonders to get away with treating the Gurkha's the way they have done.

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BBC breaking news ... all Gurkhas with more than four years' service will now be eligible to apply to live in the UK.

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All gurkha's now have the right to stay in this country. The Government had to be forced into this but at least they have finally allowed this to happen.

I still feel there is no honour in a Bunch of Mp's that had to be forced to change there minds

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8060607.stm

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Another rearguard action by a dithering, incompetent Government. I'm glad the Gurkhas have finally got what they should have had years ago. And I hope that if any good comes out of this whole debacle, that it will turn out to be another nail in Gordon Brown's political coffin.

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Another U-turn? Who would have thought it...

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Fantastic news, and once again shows how completely out of touch this government are with the wishes of the citizens of the UK.

Joanna Lumley has been a wonderful representative, she really humiliated the minsters involved.

A great day for the Gurkha's :D

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I've never seen the issue with this. If you are willing to fight and die for this country then you should be rewarded with citizenship.

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Possibly the only thing worse than denying rights to the Gurkhas, was to do a humiliating u-turn on it. Key rule is make a descision and stick with it. I really doubt that anyone would was dissauded from voting Labour over the Gurkha issue in the first place would certainly start voting for them now.

Reminds me of something one of the Marines said in The Rock "So we're not gutless, we're incompetent?". Except its in reverse. Our government is incompetent, and now its gutless.

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The Gurkhas should never have been put into this position in the first place, they should always have been welcomed into this country. Any countrys government that treats illegal migrants better than people who have proven time and time again to be ready, able and willing to lay down their life for a country thousands of miles away does not deserve the pride and courage of the Gurkhas.

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We the people in this country do deserve the ghurkas and welcome them with open arms our government on the other hand right now doesn't deserve the loyalty of people in the Uk much less the ghurkas. Just yet another shambolic episode in a long list of this government and not only should they now get as many in as want to come but apologise for their treatment of these fine people in the first place.

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Congratulations to Joanna Lumley and her fellow campaigners :clap:They can feel very proud of themselves today.

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Shame no one has put as much effort in on behalf of our own ex service men, after all the majority of these men never expected to settle here after finishing their service, where as we have over 5000 mainly ex army sleeping rough every night, most with psychological problems brought on as a direct result of their service.

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Hopefully TheDaddy she will turn her attention to that, one thing is for sure though she has become a formidable force in terms of campaigning and won't be taken as lightly in the future as this government took her this time.

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This does not go far enough, IF you are a Gurkha, then the citizenship is there automatically, You fight and die for this country, then you have FULL rights to stay.

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Yep hear hear, you die for this country, you can stay as long as you like...

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So this treacherous Government and Gordan Brown are now backtracking on this.

Live on BBC news 24 now

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8593061.stm

Then you wonder why i have such a disgust of this Goverment and its leader.

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Actually my disgust is for Whitehall and the MOD who are the real back stabbers..They always renege on decisions like this agreed to by all parties.

Sir Humphreys the lot of them.

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The sooner this collection of pedantic individuals with seemingly personal agendas called nulabour is kicked into political oblivion the better.

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Agreed

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I like Sir Humphrey though :D

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How unlike New Labour to try to mislead us, smear opponents and backtrack on promises... :rolleyes:

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God help the local mp from Labour who calls at my house asking for my vote at election time. He or She will be told to leave my premises in short jerky movements. ;)

If this is how they threat the Gurkha's how can we trust them to treat anyone else in the armed forces with the respect they deserve.

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I was only thinking the very same thing about New Labour candidate this morning. Last time around one of them turned up on our doorstep expecting a pat on the back he got a very terse lecture on some of his party's more notable failures. Oddly enough he didn't seem to have any answers...... :rolleyes:

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I have just sent a formal complaint to the Labour party about the way they have treated the Gurkhas and Joanna Lumley and the team that has supported them. I said in the mail that i feel what they have done today shows that they cannot be trusted to support our armed forces in the past, present or future.

how i wish i could speak face to face with Brown, He would be certain of how i felt after i had finished with the idiot

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Given your son's situation, I'm sure my anger with him is dwarfed by yours but I'd love the chance also...

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She said that Gordon Brown HAS kept his word, it is Kevan Jones who she pee'ed off with.

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Brown is his Boss and ultimately to blame, Brown should show he has a pair and sack Jones for what he said. Soon we will have the chance to sack Brown anyway considering the way he and his Government treated the Gurkha's until they were forced in to a humiliating defeat :)

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Yes odd how they rarely seem to practice what they preach.... :rolleyes:

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Everybody does gordons talking for him when he kows it won't be liked so yes he is responsible and he should get off his backside and get involved in this but i won't hold my breath.