Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

I've said this about alot of topics on the forum and the way they progress.

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At the moment the VOD and digital muxes are sent on differing frequencies to the modem D/S. So the D/S for the cable modems wouldn't be affected by this. When the analogue frequencies are removed there will be bags of space to do even more with, and also there will better ways of using the bandwidth to send the Digital/HD content to the customers STB like Switched Digital Video,(SDV) and many others.

E.G http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switched_vide

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

The new 50mb service with pre DOCSIS 3 equipment should be with us soon (hopefully). I cant see Virgin offering free swaps but a chargeable install (standard £30 at the moment) will probably apply.

Like a "digital migration" (from analogue TV) a technician is required to make the swap over, I can see the same happening for this service. Its a channel bonding modem not just a straight up cable modem so a technician will be required for the initial setup and to make sure that the signal levels at the tap are fine.

Eventually, self installs will be offered, the same way that V+ installs are handled now (they will be quickstart soon to).

(remember none of this is confirmed, im just speculating!)

Roll on 50mb!

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

I think you should note, it was a rumour about STM ever being implemented, something i said was going to happen, like it or not. i was right.

I also exposed the rumour about STM upload trials being run, and alas, i was right, now we're limited on upload as well as download.

Not everyone on here just randomly spreads rumours.

Mine are NOT rumours, the network planning dept @ VM are currently running STM trials on 50mbit, with the same STM limits as 20mbit.

And you know for a fact if they run trials, there is a 80/20 chance its gonna happen.

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

Self installs utter madness, again a way of chucking a product out and not thinking about the poor quality of service this will bring. Or is it a case of the numbers game, you'll be able to get more people installed this way, so this will outway the cost of installing them properly.

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Well done, at least thats one rumour that came true!! No one was pointing the finger at you personally, just a general observation, don't worry i'll send you a card for christmas!!

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

You also said this on the 27th of Nov

"There is no cap/STM on 50mbit, nor will there be."

Not having a go,but if that's changed in a matter of weeks then it's also possible that it may change yet again.

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

One problem, how do you remove the analogue signal and still provide tv when you havent yet to provide a digital signal such as in leics and southampton.

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

Yes i know you've got this problem, to be honest there are a few situations like yours that i know of and maybe a few more,(like the BT MATV network VM are currently using) What they have planned for these areas i can only assume that there will be a priority list of things to upgrade when it happens?

I know the analogue switch off will not happen over night all over the country, it will be certain areas at a time.

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

Yea, because that's what i, staff, and other people were *promised* by top people running the trials.

Then a few days ago they turned round and said, oh yea btw, we're trialing STM on 50mbit now.

VM aint a trustworthy company, and im not payin £47/month for a "traffic managed"" 50mbit, not a chance in hell, and i cant see many other people doing the same.

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

in relation to this and the fact its a rumour and we dont know as yet if this suposed rumoured broadband Tv trial is going to even be a true IPtv, or if its trialing/going to be trialed as a IP-unicast, IP-Multicast or IP-Broadcast delivery system.

i was reviewing some of the old threads and i think bringing some of that known info from spider-plant into the thread might spark some interesting tech understanding and chat (50Mbit will be great/stink threads get old real quick).

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/10...bandwidth.html
"
...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Web-Junkie http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/im...s/viewpost.gif
So what is the speed of the TV feed?

spider-plant:About 1.2Gbps. (31 multiplexes at 38Mbps each) But that is shared between everyone."

"
Quote:
Originally Posted by popper http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/im...s/viewpost.gif
... i didnt realise it was that low, so whats the max usable throughput on the current kit, 2.5Gbs/s ? ... ;)

spider-plant:Turn off analogue and switch to QAM256 throughout, and you get around 4Gbps. If that's still not enough, switch to broadcast on demand."

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

Erm, rumours or not, i was merely referring to a possible solution by using SDV, which i think is being used alot in America, so as we normally follow suit, give it another couple of years and we most likely be using the same technology,(maybe). As for rumoured Broadband TV trial, i know not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switched_digital_video

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

the arris flash presentation gives an overview of what can be done to increase the DOCSIS 1.0(pre-20B-)3.0 bandwidth per subscriber
http://www.bloobble.com/broadband-pr...epsession=true

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OHH dont get me wrong sollp , i agree with what you say, there are options available, and wouldnt you know it i posted about one elswere but cant find the reference now to refresh peoples minds.

im not sure about using SDV though as theres better options out there but then again we are talking VM and their tendancy to use their buddys in the US as the main point of contract signing (the V+ and liberate middleware being the prime contracts rather than the far more advanced options we need right now) to get cheap,end of line kit off the US shelves and on the the UK markets.

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

Obviously alot of this is going to come down to how much they want to spend. As VM have already said that they will concentrate more on the Broadband side i take it they know and are planning what system/systems and technologies they will use to produce the end product for future BB and TV.

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

CableLabs awarded the first qualification status certifications for DOCSIS 3.0 products.
http://www.convergedigest.com/DSL/la...?ID=23359&ctgy=
"
CableLabs Awards DOCSIS 3.0 Qualifications

CableLabs awarded the first qualification status certifications for DOCSIS 3.0 products.

Casa Systems received "silver" qualification while Arris and Cisco received "bronze" qualification for their cable modem termination systems (CMTS) headend gear.

The headends were tested under a tiered program that was created as a way to encourage CMTS makers to submit gear for testing earlier than they otherwise might.

CableLabs also offered suppliers numerous informal interoperability events where vendors work together in CableLabs’ facilities to test and evaluate their implementations of the specifications.

[img]Download Failed (1)[/img] DOCSIS 3.0 specifications enable downstream data rates of 160 Mbps or higher and upstream data rates of 120 Mbps or higher. To achieve these higher data rates DOCSIS 3.0 describes a methodology for channel bonding in both the upstream and downstream directions. A minimum of four channels, each with throughput of 40 Mbps, is specified.
...
"
it might take a while to see 125 DS channels though :p: 5Gb/s download
(3.75Gb/s upload)

id settle for 24 DS channels though to tide you over 960Mbit/s
download and around 720Mbit/s upload before overheads


http://www.bloobble.com/broadband-pr...epsession=true
slide No 14

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

Problem is,(well one of many i see) is the Access network in alot of places will need up grading to be able to achieve more bandwidth in the upstream. Many areas only have the 5-40mhz to play with on the upstream and mainly all areas only use from 18-44mhz approx. So the network architecture can vary immensely depending on the legacy companies it originated from.

So again the potential is there buts its going to cost eventually, initially it won't be much of a problem but with more channel bonding for the upstream, it's going to be tight in that small space.

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

probably be questioned already but suppose new 50meg with new modems would be at customers cost for new modems, cannot see VM missing out on asking for upgrade fee on new modems (again) aka 10meg to 20meg

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

They didn't ask any money for the modems....if you fitted it yourself it was free,if you needed an engineer too fit it you paid for that...not the modem.

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

Is DOCSIS 3 going to give us good speeds with 50mb? e.g atleast 40mb...?

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

That is the point, whilst the current EuroDOCSIS standard can deliver up to 55Mbps download, the new DOCSIS 3 has a much higher DL/UL so could easily handle 50Mbps.

VM will obviously need to upgrade their CMTS at each headend, and supply new modems for their customers.

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

OC it depends on the CMTS and firmware installed in it at the other end, but im pritty sure the official spec for Docsis2.0 (the default freqs etc that Docsis (2.0B-)3.0 is using states that a single Eurodocsis channel uses a MAX of 50Mbit before overheads.

take a look at the ARRIS PDF for a chart
http://www.arrisi.com/product_catalo...Technology.pdf
that shows for QAM 64 on US docsis with 2 channels,so id assume the kit can do a max upto 60 Mbit per channel before overheads with a higher QAM (is that 256 max currently ?) and a future firmware if needed.

with the current minimum Docsis 3.0 spec of 4 DS bonded channels allowed, thats 160Mbit down and 120mbit up, 40Mbit download per channel and 30Mbit upload per channel.

its all in the No.s, so...
24 bonded channels give you 960Mbit/s download and 720Mbit/s upload.

and although (if ever)it might take a while to see 125 DS channels :p: the currently highest spec for 3.0, thats 5Gb/s download and 3.75Gb/s upload

its strange they didnt just TOP spec for max 10Gigabit of bonded channels Download though?...

lets just hope the 3rd party network card venders get off their backsides and start producing 2/4/6/8 and/or 10gig NCs for the home users markets.

or at the very least, (actually it might be the far better option in the SHORT TERM) microsoft provide a free generic bonding interface driver ASAP, so we can bond our NCs together to get higher throughput to the likes of freeBSD/linux home made NAS servers (and even MS machines if they supply the bond driver), and later, multi gigabit hardware devices such as any bonded cable modem above the 24 channels (1 gigbit)it would take to fill that pipe

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/10...l#post34456487

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BTW, increased security for DOCSIS 3.0 comes in with Silver certification.

some of the more vital specs per certificate:
Bronze mandate: Multicasting, IPv6, downstream channel Bonding.
Silver mandate: QOS multicasting, Enhanced security AES,Upstream channel Bonding.

FULL :with all the spec certifyed.

as for seeing at least 40Mbit on the initial 50Mbit/1.5 or 5Mbit (10/1 ration) perhaps, package once it becomes available, id assume it to supply 48.5Mbit real download on internal throughput and external routes to/from good servers, and the upload rate at 1.45/4.95Mbit servers permitting OC.

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what is the general consensus here with the VM techs etc for growing that space (as layed out in the general docsis3 upgrading/todays Best Practices Preperation advice 33) within the VM network?, is it currently layed out something like the
http://www.bloobble.com/broadband-pr...epsession=true
slide 25 and 26 of the ARRIS flash presentation?, and at what % of current filtering kit within the whole UK CABLE network can take the redeployment for freqs.

in effect it seems to use the redeployment of the analogue freqs to get max benefits, is there currently enough unused freqs for use in every area of the UK cable network to start deploying docsis3 in the baguley and other headends...

perhaps a simple laymans terms document can be produced to help understand the while thing and the way it interacts for readers...

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

Anything that can give us a better service, and kick the ******* cloners off and freeing up more bandwidth and not clogging up the system as much is fine by me, will that get rid of the tv cloners aswell?...cos that would free up even more :D

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

TV cloners don't use up 'space' as such - tv is sent out down the wire regardless currently, all they are doing is decoding what they shouldn't be able to.

(this is not taking into account on demand)

event still, all cloners should be removed and / or forced to pay for the service they get :)

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

I bet 1/2 of the cloners are people peed off at not getting what they pay for. Also how long can this docsis really keep them out its silly if you think they cant get round it. I hope this is where throttling is removed forever!

i am on 4meg so i am looking forward to the next speed upgade :D. i get my max speed now at my home but when i am in center of a city at uni the speeds are crap.

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

Are the 50mbit connects due out more to the end of this year? Or earlier?

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

I'd say mid to end of year.

There needs to be a considerable upgrade to the CMTS's, and a new modem model to negotiate.

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

And a lot more than that

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

When I was on the phone ealier cancelling my v+ the person on the other end assured me I'd be upgraded to fifty meg in two months. I don't see it happening to be honest though. Still it would be nice.

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

Yep it would be nice and hopefully it will work better than your V+. We will find out in due course but in the meantime I'm not holding my breath. :(

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

lol, got that right.

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

Hmm that sounds like you spoke with one of our "lesser informed" colleagues.

50mb cant be an upgrade for nayone, as a previous poster stated it will require a new channel bonded modem to operate. The trials are still underway and no information at all has been given out to the front line staff apart from that.

Its going to be Q3 or Q4 this year before we hear anything more sunstantial about the new speeds i would suggest, but remember nothing has been confirmed by Virgin.

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

there doesnt, or at least i cant currently find, an ETA for the consumer part of the ARRIS Docsis3 modems.

ARRIS did get its Bronze qualification from CableLabs and reported same on Dec. 20 , but i dont know if that includes the EUE (End User Equipment).

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/st...2007,+09:00+AM

bronze is more than good enough for deployment as its speced for a far higher single upload channel rate than VM will deploy, so silver bonded upload isnt really a vital requirement as yet.

if the ARRIS EUE isnt already in manufactoring production in the next few months, then VM could i suppose, go for any of the other Bronze certifyed kit.

such as the new Cisco Docsis3 Cable Modem, but that would be more money per unit id expect ?.

thats got an ETA available sometime this spring ATM.

http://www.xchangemag.com/hotnews/81h7142235.html

at this rate, the US at least, might get to see the new WiMax Modems out before the Docsis3 EUE, shame VM didnt see fit to extend their reach with these things , you can get Docsis over WiMax BTW...

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...echnology/home

so we will most likely be behind that if VM are going to do the usual and source their kit from the US vendors they like signing their largest contracts with.

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

Popper, i have briefly looked at the wireless solution in the US, but what i have seen is CATV amplifiers in certain areas with a wifi-max solution fitted to them. This would obviously work due to the CATV networks being on Telegraph pole, well most i have seen anyway.

Now we know in this country the great opposition to Mobile phone masts being erected, so im not sure, due to these 2 facts that it would be a viable solution in this country to have wifi-max,(im assuming this is what your on about). Or are we on about wimax from mobile phone masts already in situ.

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

agreed.. Never got near the 20 i pay for...

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

I take it, you didnt take the time to read this thread then?:rolleyes:

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

So far as the rumour mill is concerned what is the upload rate for the up and comming 50mbit? I hope it is more than 1.5 mbit.

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

i take your point about opposition and indeed thats how/what i thought at first too.. but over time as i like to try and think differently were possible , the 'how might it be done' as apposed the 'it cant be done' so the end user gains or losses out.

i came to the same conclusions long ago, just as several of the private companys in the EU and the US are just now thinking.

that being, use the current existing private customer land and buildings on your edges to grow your new cheaper wireless docsis networks, by offering a product they cant get elswere and incentives and price points they would like for long term use of their space etc, hell free even, if it helps grow the thing.

also its possible to use state housing estates if you stick within certain rules and come to an understanding with the local council.

that still didnt really give you a garanteed good long term base to grow your new mobile wireless Docsis network on the back of your cable network as such.

at least that is , until commercial grade wireless mesh products took off, (now you know why i kept going on about community wireless MESH networks LOL).

this is the kind of thing im talking about
http://docsis-it.blogspot.com/search...eless%20DOCSIS
"

Did you know that BelAir Networks offers a complete family of wireless mesh products optimized for cable operators?
Now you can take advantage of BelAir's DOCSIS 2.0 strand-mount solutions to extend your cable plant beyond "hotspots" to capture those hard-to-reach residential and commercial customers.


BelAir's DOCSIS 2.0 family includes the 100S and 50S, which support both Wi-Fi unlicensed and licensed WIMAX radios. The BelAir100S is a two-radio wireless multi-service node designed for strand-mounting on existing cable infrastructure.
Advantages include:

• Superior coverage
• Single and dual radios
• 40 – 90 VAC cable plant powered
• Environmentally hardened
• Carrier class design
• DOCSIS 2.0 termination
• Support VoIP, video, and Internet
• Security and manageability

BelAir enables cable operators to leverage their existing infrastructure and expand their market opportunities with business customers, city-wide Muni Wi-Fi networks, hotels and resorts, multiple dwelling and multiple business units, and campus-wide networks. BelAir's unique carrier-grade multi-service architecture supports the "quad play" - voice, video, data and mobility - to increase operator's service revenues. And, by reducing both the cost and time associated with deploying broadband infrastructure, BelAir increases the operator's competitive advantage.


BelAir's leading-edge radio technology will allow you to grow your wireless network in a more cost-effective way by offering equal coverage with ¼ the number of nodes of its competitors. In a recent independent study by Novarum, the Toronto Hydro wireless network powered by BelAir was chosen as the top performer.

http://www.capella.ca/images/logos/belair_150w.gif
BelAir Networks offers Wide-Area wireless networking solutions optimized for large hot zone and high-density metro deployments. Designed specifically for outdoor carrier-class deployments, BelAir's patented Wide Area Wi-Fi networks deliver the highest capacity at the lowest cost for data, voice and video services - in days, not weeks. BelAir's multi-service wireless switch routers integrate easily and transparently into existing network and physical infrastructure of downtown business districts, hotels and resorts, and college campuses.

• Detailed product information is available at the BelAir Networks website"

------------------------------------
it doesnt need a lot of thought to realise that once your outlay for the base MASH kit , you can migrate these wireless units to any end users roof install without any real problem, perhaps an extra hour is lost at most on todays wired cable pull and fitting/checking levels etc.

and if theres ever a need to move it down the road to your next user as your old one has canceled the BB contract or whatever, not a problem as its MESH so no reconfiguring required if theres any other units within range already.

any current cable customer within the edge of the current network can be signed up for this and have the kit installed very quickly as just another bit of kit.

you could even save masses of electricity costs if you install for free as an extra on top of a wired cable package incentive.

as these will mesh with their nearest maching units in range and you get your new wireless Docsis network grown for a very good return on investment, and OC the long range mobile wimax power output is FAR lower than any current mobile phone mast.

you could as you say, just use these phone masts, but it might work out far cheaper and far better transient coverage for everyone over the long term if the end user is considered and asked to contribute in all this.

after all, you as an end user dont mind powering all the current wired cable kit installed inside your house if it gets you what you want do you, so the same can perhaps be said for that little outside wimax Docsis box and wire pull to the roof perhaps.

i dont know if theres a certification for any planed wireless docsis 3 but the option is there some time soon i assume, after all 1gigE wireless is virtually generic today, wimax is just another version/conversion/upgrade of that.


one last point, if they did this and it turned out that their choice of edge location didnt become finantially viable over a set time, then they could just up and move the portable MESH units to another trial location and start again, once they have a viable place to grow just stuff in a fiber or two to that area and take the load off the long reach meshed part of the install.

over time thats got to be far better for the new pottential end users prospects, and good for longer term growth without paying out hand over fist for speculative cable runs, looking at it from the company POV for once ;)

those other options are the old
http://www.winetworks.com/module.php?m_id=4&sm_id=62
"
http://www.winetworks.com/winetworks...Technology.jpg

The WiN-Max™ WiN7100 Compact Base Station connects directly to the HFC infrastructure via a compatible DOCSIS coax interface, allowing the extension of services to areas where the DOCSIS/HFC infrastructure were not previously available.

The WiN7100 connects to the DOCSIS network in a completely standard way, exactly as a DOCSIS cable modem, while supporting DOCSIS 2.0 and PacketCable 1.x specifications. The WiN7100 uses the DOCSIS backhaul interface to deliver WiMAX services to served subscribers and complies with the 802.16e-2005 standard, supporting Fixed, Portable and Mobile network deployments. A unique feature of the WiN7000 is the support of all PacketCable and DOCSIS protocols and interfaces required for multimedia support over DOCSIS.

This unique capability allows smooth integration into the already deployed cable network, which is based on CableLabs specifications, without a need to redesign the network, applications and services.

© 2005 WiNetworks Inc. | Terms of Use"

and this
http://www.wimax-industry.com/ar/16w.htm
"Vecima Broadband Wireless Internet Network Systems Operational in 12 Countries

Other Topics: WiMAX Forum Support, WiMAX CPE Deal, 4G Technology, WiMAX Distribution Network, WiMAX ROI Planning Tool, WiMAX Test Equipment Demonstration

Vecima Networks Inc.
August 22, 2007

Vancouver, Canada -- Vecima Networks Inc. (TSX:VCM), leading Last Mile Solution(R) provider for broadband wireless and wired networks, today announces unit delivery and deployment milestones for its Broadband Wireless Internet Network (BWIN(TM)) product series. Based on proven Data over Cable Service Interface Specifications (DOCSIS(R)) technology for triple play services and first released in 1999 where it was available only in 3.5 GHz, Vecima's BWIN(TM) line of base stations and CPEs has expanded to offer complete system solutions in 700 MHz, 900 MHz, 1.9 GHz, 2.5 GHz, 3.5 GHz and 5.8 GHz. To date, BWIN(TM) deliveries exceed 50,000 units and have been deployed within 12 countries situated throughout Asia, Central America, Africa and North America.Targeting underserved rural and economically developing regions where broadband access had traditionally been unavailable, Vecima generated strong demand for its Canadian manufactured BWIN(TM) product family offering a cost efficient and rapidly deployable solution relative to laying cable infrastructure. Additional benefits fueling service provider's demand for BWIN(TM) included low-cost market entry, scalability and portability.

"Our growth into the wireless space has been very positive because of the success of our BWIN(TM) solutions," remarked Sumit Kumar, VP Corporate Strategy. "To carve space for Vecima in this highly competitive market, we relied heavily on our technical ability to customize client-specific solutions while utilizing our in-house manufacturing to deliver systems in rapid turn-around time. At the same time, we capitalized on positioning our sales and marketing team to focus on specific niche markets. We are very confident in reemploying this strategic outline to maximize our market space in the WiMAX space moving forward."

"Although historically a wired broadband technology, DOCSIS(R) is a robust platform from which Vecima built its BWIN(TM) product family. In fact, as the next generation broadband wireless standard, WiMAX leverages the advantages of DOCSIS(R) by employing much of the MAC technology from the wired predecessor. Vecima's intimate knowledge of DOCSIS(R) gained through years of experience supplying the cable industry with DOCSIS(R) upconverters and QAMs continues to be of significant strategic importance to both our BWIN(TM) and VistaMAX solutions."

Vecima, a Principal Member of the WiMAX Forum, currently has shipped WiMAX compliant gear for trial deployment to 27 customers in 15 countries. Building upon the success of its BWIN(TM) systems, the company has continued to invest heavily into research and development and sales and marketing of its WiMAX line and is poised to deliver market leading WiMAX systems with mass market adoption."

---------- Post added at 02:18 ---------- Previous post was at 02:01 ----------

ohh the news services as if they were reading this thread;) have answered my other points about EUE, ill post it later as this single post is growing far to long.

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

lol, 'that once your outlay for the base MASH kit'was infact ment to say '...MESH kit has been payed'.

as i said above regarding the current ETA for any ARRIS docsis3 EUE, now looks like at least 'Jan 24 to mid-April', so its going to be longer than that before its geared up for mass manufactoring assuming its at the end and passes the Bronze tests OC....

http://www.multichannel.com/article/...dustryid=47202

"
Arris Intros 'Wideband' Voice Modems
DOCSIS 3.0 Modems Still Need CableLabs Certification
By Todd Spangler -- Multichannel News, 1/9/2008 10:24:00 AM

Arris announced the availability of modems that support Data Over Cable Service Interface Specification 3.0, but the equipment has yet to be certified by CableLabs.

The Touchstone TM702 embedded multimedia terminal adapter provides voice features and data service with speeds up to 160 Megabits per second, using the channel-bonding features of the DOCSIS 3.0 spec, also known as wideband.

Arris also offers a family of DOCSIS 3.0 data-only cable modems, the WBM750, the successor to the pre-DOCSIS 3.0 WBM650 family.

Last month, Arris's DOCSIS 3.0 cable-modem termination system was awarded "bronze" qualification status by CableLabs, meaning it supports downstream-channel bonding, in the first wave of wideband gear submitted for testing.

The 3.0 modem submitted by Arris, however, did not pass the certification testing. CableLabs' next certification wave runs from Jan. 24 to mid-April.

Arris is providing sample units of the DOCSIS 3.0 modems to "lead customers" for trials and testing, while it proceeds through the next round of CableLabs certification, spokesman Alex Swan said.

...
"

i wonder if that 'next certification wave ' will include silver certification, not that silver (bonded upload channels) really matters if VM dont see fit to massively increase upload rates way above even the hints in this very thread (kippa), as there wont be a vital need for it other than the already mentioned updated security and the QOS part of Multicast etc.

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

the threads been very quiet for a few days, so i thought i'd post this Docsis 3.0, CMTS pricing related news item from a few weeks ago.

BTW, what is the majority of current CMTS kit that VM use, and are their units half empty and so able to take these new higher density cards as this URLs seem to imply?.

at the very least , will this Plummeting price drop help VM buy more kit to install and releave the over subscribed Baguley/NW+ areas and kit...

http://www.lightreading.com/document...&page_number=1
"CMTS Downstream Prices Plummethttps://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2008/09/22.gifDECEMBER 28, 2007
Timing is everything.

Just as cable operators prepare to test and launch Internet services with speedier downstream capabilities, the top three providers of cable modem termination system (CMTS) gear -- Cisco Systems Inc. (Nasdaq: CSCO - message board), Arris Group Inc. (Nasdaq: ARRS - message board), and Motorola Inc. (NYSE: MOT - message board) -- have developed, or are in the process of developing, new downstream-heavy modules that snap into their widely deployed CMTS chassis. Along with denser downstream footprints, these new cards are also having a profound effect on CMTS pricing.


CMTS downstream port prices are "dropping like a rock," says Patti Reali, an analyst with Gartner Inc. In the early going, much of that trend, she notes, is being driven by Cisco and its development of a special module/linecard. That card, dubbed the Shared Port Adapter (SPA), fits into Cisco's flagship CMTS, the uBR10012.

But the story doesn't start and end with Cisco. Although the CMTS market leader can already point to trials and deployments for its downstream-heavy module, Motorola is gathering steam with its entry, the TX32. Meanwhile, Arris, which is making a run at increased CMTS market share, tells Cable Digital News that it has a new, specialized CMTS card in the making.

While the minimum configuration for Docsis 3.0 calls for the bonding of at least four upstream and four downstream channels, most operators are expected to begin their migration to 3.0-based services by bonding downstream channels.
...
"
....
"
Cisco goes to the SPA
Although Cisco has different types of SPA products based on a common footprint, the one that matters in the case of denser downstream capabilities and channel bonding is its Wideband SPA.

One Wideband SPA can support 24 downstreams. That compares to five downstreams (and 20 upstreams) in a traditional Cisco CMTS linecard.
..."

" Motorola's TX32
Unlike Cisco, Motorola did not supply a CMTS for the first Docsis 3.0 test wave, but, like its CMTS competitor, the company is making progress with a new module for its flagship CMTS, the BSR64000, that aims to beef up the downstream and shrink costs on a per-port basis.

Introduced in June, the company' TX32, as the name implies, supports 32 downstreams. That compares to just two downstreams (and eight upstreams) in a traditional linecard for the BSR64000.

Much of the tech development behind the TX32 can be traced to Motorola's acquisition in early 2006 of Broadband Innovations, a startup that made high-density, low-power Docsis 3.0-compliant upconverters. (See Moto Deals Downstream Module and Moto Buys RF Tech.)
..."

"As designed, the TX32 removes the upstream, and uses block upconversion techniques to cram 32 downstreams in the same space as its typical 2x8 linecard.

In the block upconversion scenario, operators will be required to free up a contiguous slice of spectrum. This means that channels used for downstream bonding must be physically next to each other along the spectrum.

Although this could be considered a drawback because operators don't necessarily have that much free spectrum bunched together, the saving grace is that Docsis 3.0 modems can tune above the 860 MHz threshold. Those devices, therefore, could use 6 MHz channels that are produced from an upgrade to 1 GHz or more. (See Cox Makes 1 GHz Moves .)
..."

"Arris getting down with denser downstreams
Arris, meanwhile, is answering the call with a higher-density card that packs in 16 downstreams. That card, which hasn't yet been announced formally, is in the "early trail stages," according to Stan Brovant, Arris's senior vice president of business development and marketing.

Arris has not pinpointed a commercial launch date for the new linecard, but the module was an "ingredient" of the CMTS the vendor supplied to CableLabs for the recently completed Docsis 3.0 Wave, Brovant says.

Brovant declined to assign a specific dollar amount to the effect the new card will have on downstream port pricing, other than to say it would be "substantially cheaper" than what's offered by the legacy cards found in the C4 CMTS, which are configured for 12 upstreams and two downstreams.

Those cards can be repurposed as upstream receivers for the emerging modular CMTS (M-CMTS) architecture.

"The installed base is very important. We want to make sure the C4 is upgradeable to Docsis 3.0," Brovant says.

"The interest in higher density and channel bonding is worldwide," he adds. While Verizon's new symmetrical 20 Mbit/s has gained the attention of U.S.-based operators, MSOs abroad are trying to match the speeds offered by networks fed by both fiber-to-the-home and VDSL technologies. (See Verizon Offers 20 Mbit/s Uploads.)

On the pre-Docsis 3.0 channel bonding front, Arris has scored some early wins with Virgin Media (Nasdaq: VMED - message board) and Japan-based Jupiter Telecommunications Co. Ltd. (J:COM) . (See Arris, NTL Try 100 Mbit/s and Japanese MSO Moves 160 Mbit/s.)
...
"
The path to the M-CMTS
Despite the early traction expected from this new breed of downstream-heavy modules for legacy CMTS chassis, their development marks just a step along the path toward a more advanced M-CMTS architecture.

Under that scenario, several components of the traditional CMTS -- including downstream and upstream -- will be separated out so they can be scaled independently and, as the theory goes, more cost-effectively.

While the "core" CMTS will handle the upstream, a new breed of edge QAM devices will supply the downstream capacity. Those "universal" edge QAMs are also being designed so they can share capacity and resources with other applications, including digital broadcast video, video-on-demand (VOD), and switched digital video (SDV). (See Universal Edge QAM Market Heats Up.)

"Operators are taking a pretty sophisticated approach and identifying which architecture makes the most sense," Brovant says. Arris customers that have underutilized C4 CMTSs have been among those most interested in the company's new 16-downstream linecard, he adds.
...
"

and heres a url for your basic Arris Edge-QAMs
http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6463304.html
"
...
As part of its switched-digital-video initiative, Comcast selected Arris as a supplier of equipment that can dynamically allocate bandwidth for multiple unicast applications.
The value of the deal was not disclosed. The Arris products covered under the contract are known as universal edge-Quadrature-Amplitude-Modulation (edge-QAM) systems.
Such universal edge-QAMs can provide bandwidth for multiple services, including switched digital video and video-on-demand, whereas traditional QAMs require channels to be dedicated exclusively to one service, like VOD.
...
"
"
http://messages.yahoo.com/Business_%...frt=2&off=1#-1
"Re: CMTS prices 13-Jan-08 10:11 am
More to the pricing story than falling prices. EdgeQAM unit sales will more than make up for the price drop in CMTS chassis. Remember that Arris also shipped allot of chassis that were only 50% full and that leaves the door open for the higher margin cards to be sold into the installed base in 2008. D3 CMTS software upgrades will also aid in the revenue numbers come Q3. I'm thinking that D3 Touchstones will begin to be seeded in the field come Q2

http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp...

While the "core" CMTS will handle the upstream, a new breed of edge QAM devices will supply the downstream capacity. Those "universal" edge QAMs are also being designed so they can share capacity and resources with other applications, including digital broadcast video, video-on-demand (VOD), and switched digital video (SDV)

"

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

This is hilarious. Some people can't lie to save there own life. *sigh*

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

?, what do you mean lie... what lie or lies are these?.

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

Given that Virgin Media intend to upgrade the network to provide a 50Mb service, do we know more precisely when work will start and do we know which areas of the network will be upgraded first?

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

They're still in testing so no fixed dates have been set. I would think that the newer sections of network would be done first as it is less likely to go wrong. Thats how they usually do it.

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

Thanks for that, lostandconfused. Looks like those of us in Manchester will have to wait.It'll be interesting to see what happens.

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

Don't know if your referring to a specific area of work but the network is being constantly upgraded to meet demand as and when certain criteria is reached. You may not believe this but that is what happens.

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

good point sollp, did they ever get around to finishing the old April 2nd 2007 announcement yet?, will it now take the 100Gig kit too..., if they see fit to order that as well!

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/10...e-network.html
"
Quote:
SUNNYVALE, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Juniper Networks, Inc. (NASDAQ:JNPR) today announced that the Virgin Media Group, the UK’s largest cable operator, has deployed Juniper Networks T-series core routers, including the multi-terabit TX Matrix, to upgrade its IP backbone network.

As a central component of the Virgin Media next-generation IP network architecture, the T-series will enable the delivery of bandwidth-intensive multiplay services such as IPTV, video on demand and voice over IP.

The agile and open core network will also facilitate and simplify the integration of many new customers and network assets, which are joining Virgin Media as the result of the merger between ntl, Virgin Mobile and Telewest Global in 2006.

More at:
http://home.businesswire.com/portal/...86&newsLang=en
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http://www.businesswire.com/portal/s...86&newsLang=en
"
...
Virgin Media provides high quality digital TV, Internet and telephone services to nearly 3 million subscribers throughout the UK.

In addition to supporting all of its own broadband customers, Virgin Media also leases capacity on its core network to several of the UK’s leading ISPs, so the Juniper Networks T-series will be supporting an expansive network capable of delivering Internet-based communications services to more than 12 million UK homes (more than 50 percent of the total households in the UK), and 85 percent of UK businesses.

“Service reliability, throughput speed and scalable capacity are the main criteria that will enable a successful roll-out of next-generation network services in both the immediate future and in the long term,” said Rob Sim, Head of Network Architecture at Virgin Media. “We wanted to put support for 40G in place now, and both the T640 and TX Matrix platforms from Juniper enable us to support 40G as soon as needed.

Also, as the capacity demands on our network grow, we can easily upgrade the T640 to TX Matrix as required, whilst maintaining both operational and service consistency without an operating system change.”
...
"

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

Don't know about that, but will see if i can find out.

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

:Sprint::clap:

good man....

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

solp, did you ever find out about the above upgrades BTW?.

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/3...s-service.html
"
Virgin Media to relax traffic management on 50Mbps service?

Thursday 20 March 2008 15:51:45 by Andrew Ferguson

The Xbox may have lost out in the high definition storage media battle, but its Xbox Live Marketplace to some extent negates this as people can download HD TV shows and movies direct to the Xbox via Xbox Live Marketplace.

tech.co.uk has been talking to Virgin Media and Microsoft about HD movie downloads on the Xbox, and the estimate is that a HD movie will take just 15 minutes to download on the 50Mbps cable broadband service when it rolls-out.

This fits in nicely with a 50Mbps connection running flat out for the 15 minutes and the rough size of the HD content on Xbox Live Marketplace which is 5GB for the average film.

So how does this suggest Virgin Media are to change their traffic management rules, well the current ....
"

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

No sorry completely forgot that one!! Trouble is there is all sorts of routers ect the core network use so i might not get the answer specific to this, i will ask around though.

The UBR's are mainly CISCO, and i think there will be upgrades for 50Mb as i was speaking to someone last week about it, can't remember what manufacturer will be used for the new kit, again this will probably be in specific locations due to space ect.

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

http://www.virginmedia.com/customers...-broadband.php just for anyone who hasnt seen it.

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

Whats the point of 50 megs when they can't supply the 20 meg i'm paying for at the min. Seems like that 4 meg is the norm with Virgin media these days

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

Because they can charge more for it you see. They have seen other companies advertising X speed and only delivering half so thought they would get in on the act and do the same:erm:

If you have read the rest of the thread, the 50mb uses a different technology to the current tiers so is likely to get 50mb

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

Because you're not representative of the majority of 20meg customers and if you're consistently getting lower than 20meg speeds you should either cancel and go elsewhere or haggle for some kind of discount until your problem is fixed.

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

Originally Posted by showshifter http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/im...s/viewpost.gif
Whats the point of 50 megs when they can't supply the 20 meg i'm paying for at the min. Seems like that 4 meg is the norm with Virgin media these days

Just downgrade your package and pay less? At least you can do this with VM.

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

hmm, do we have a quote from Neil anywere about this ?
or even an internal intranet post might be nice.

in this upbeat news post it says this
http://www.lightreading.com/document...48737&site=cdn
Virgin Territory https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2008/09/22.gifMARCH 19, 2008
...
"Virgin is betting on speed to drive further growth against BT Group plc (NYSE: BT - message board; London: BTA) and independent ISPs.

The company now offers 4, 10, and 20 Mbit/s broadband Internet products, and plans to launch a 50 Mbit/s service to 70 percent of its homes passed by year's end.
....
"

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

well its not from neil or internal intranet but Director of Technical Strategy, Kevin Baughan.

http://www.ispreview.co.uk/news/EkpyVkFEylgbzAkwsh.html
"
26 March, 2008 - 9:19 AM
Virgin Media - Many Wi-Fi Routers Can't Handle 50Mbps

Virgin Media's Director of Technical Strategy, Kevin Baughan, has warned that many 802.11 based home Wi-Fi networks may be unable to handle the operators forthcoming 'up to' 50Mbps cable broadband products.
...
Baughan believes that 9m UK homes passed by Virgin Media in the UK will be able to access 50Mbps this year, rising to 12.5m by 2009....
"

the above news post just reiterates what iv said for a long time now, 'your real throughput 11g at 22Mbit, isnt going to be good enough for the upcoming 50Mbit. time to upgrade to 11N and the new Wimax when that finally arrives'.

BTW remember my other idea about VM cable buying some spectrum and using their edge fibre and users to make a brand new UK Wimax Docsis wireless network ;).

well..., it might not be UK VM, or exactly the same idea, but the large US cable companys are infact getting together now.....
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1206...ews_technology
"Comcast, Time Warner Cable in Wireless Talks"


will VM follow ?, perhaps not, or at least not until they get some competition gearing up, such as the manchester Wimax freedom4 and the 3rd party resellers Somerfield :shocked:

;) i wonder if they will be Phormed, perhaps we might ask them LOL.

perhaps VM would be wise to buy/rent and secure that Manchester Airport (baguley cable NW hub site etc) and its surounding airspace before someone else does...

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/communicatio...9353041,00.htm
"Somerfield trials WiMax in Manchester
David Meyer ZDNet.co.uk
Published: 28 Feb 2008 15:23 GMT
The supermarket chain Somerfield is trialling the long-range, high-bandwidth wireless technology WiMax.

According to the virtual network operator providing the service, Vanco, WiMax has already been deployed for Somerfield in Manchester.

Vanco claims to be the first managed services provider to offer WiMax for corporate wide area networks (WANs).

However, the service itself is actually provided by Vialtus, known until recently as Pipex Business, and "powered by" Freedom4, the WiMax company previously known as Pipex Wireless"

http://www.freedom4.co.uk/pg.asp?p=news110606

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

They might be only having 70% of all its homes with 50mbit by the end of the year as they might be including ADSL people with the Cable people. Perhaps the 70% only refers to people with Cable, and the other 30% might refer to people with ADSL that won't be able to get 50mbit, tis just a guess.

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

All it means is that there will only be enough time available to upgrade 70% of the network before the end of the year, the rest of the network will take until sometime next year.
70% may be just a theoretical possibility with the actual percentage upgraded by year end something else altogether.

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

The 70% figure comes from the basis that not all of the cable infrastructure will be upgraded this year, namely analogue only areas and very high cost upgrade areas. The 100% total they refer to is also a little misleading as it only accounts for the current digital network not analogue areas like parts of Southampton or Slough where decisions about their upgrade path are still being investigated.

I think even 70% seems to be quite an unrealistic target due to the amount of work that needs to be done but the company seems adamant this is possible! Seen as broadband is the companies new "hero" product then it would make sense to invest in infrastructure and get 50mb out as soon as possible!

VM are still remaining tight lipped over how the trial is progressing, vendors trialled and any sort of upgrade path they are following, the suspense is killing us who really want the service ;)

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

The trial is complete.

70%...no chance they can reach that as there is just too much work to do, i know upgrades are already being carried out ready for 50mbit but oversubscribed areas (you all know which ones i mean) wont see 50mbit this year...not until late summer 2009.

Hardly a hero product though when it has STM applied to it (at least, it did near the end of the trials)....i bet they change the upload back to 1.5mbit as well, just to keep to their unfair ratio scheme.

Too bad, i quite enjoyed the 5mbit upload.

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

this 50 mb line vm are going to be using soon will not be needed imo.
Who is going to need it seeing how there's going to be all sorts of restrictions to what we can/want to download soon?
I.e phom/3 strikes rule.
The line simply won't be needed.

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

50 Mb will seem nothing when 4G mobile devices arrive, 4Gb down and 256Mb up.

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

slow coach your data is in error.

the G in 4G is not Gigabit but rather Generation.

as any search will tell you.

Quote:

LTE might sound good to you but its a long way from being made available, and has a long way to go before it anywere near (mobile)Wimax...

infact the UK have only just announced a new G4 auction yesterday

Quote:

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

BTW the US comcast have just announced the first deployment of their 50Mbit down/5Mbit up Docsis 2.0b/3.0 service.

its not known what End User kit was used as yet and i cant be bothered to go find the trialists/end users threads.

yes they used mbit not Mbit, and say upto 160mbps download, and upstream speeds of up to 120mbps for docsis3.0, im about to post there asking them to correct it.

thats the Minimum Spec for Docsis 2.0b/3.0 using the basic 4 bonded channels in case you didnt know, the full spec can use upto 125 bonded channels (5Gb/s download/ 3.75Gb/s upload) max total, if some vendors decide to make the units in the future.

http://www.xchangemag.com/hotnews/co...-deployme.html
"Comcast Corp. has announced its first deployment of DOCSIS 3.0 technology, in Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minn., which it claims enables it to offer residential and business customers downstream Internet access speeds of up to 50mbps and upstream speeds of up to 5mbps — its fastest access offering. "

"In a separate but related development, Time Warner Cable is expected to begin deploying DOCSIS 3.0 later this month, according to a report released today by New Paradigm Resources Group."

"“This announcement marks the beginning of the evolution from broadband to wideband,” said Mitch Bowling, senior vice president and general manager of Comcast High-Speed Internet, Comcast Cable, in prepared comments. “Wideband is the future and it’s coming fast. We believe wideband will usher in a new era of speed and Internet innovation for today’s digital consumers.”

...
For current high-speed Internet access resident customers, as a result of the deployment, Comcast will nearly triple the upload speed of its 6mbps/384kbps Performance tier to 6mbps/1mbps and more than double the upload speed of its 8mbps/768kbps Performance Plus tier to 8mbps/2mbps, at no additional charge.
"

perhaps VM might also consider upgrading their current users Upload speeds as well, when the so called PR wideband 50Mbit is nearing rollout here?.

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

Its a nice little carrot to dangle in public I think.

But why not spend the money on making sure that people get 100% speed they pay for now?

Makes sense to me but I dont see things in numbers of customers paying " x " amount of money= very happy richard branson.

Forget that there are speed issues at the moment, lets crank the speed up higher, the mugs ( in all respect ) will come in their droves.

There should be no speed increase until they get their act together on what people are being duped out of now.

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

Need and want two different things.;)

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

Ofcourse :) why have a ferari when you can have a fiat uno?

No disrespect to fiat owners ;)

But to turn it on its head, if ferari were run by vm fiat dealerships would be busting right now.;)

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

It's quite possible that after VM have upgraded their networks people wont have speed issues. It is their stated intention to concentrate available funds on making their broadband product the best on the market by introducing Docsis 3 etc. For many people, if they are not in an oversubscribed area, it is already the best.
BTW Arcam, have you got VM broadband?

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

My bad for repeating what I heard on an an American tech news podcast. :dunce:

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

;) not your fault slowcoach, the American pod casts are fun,but many are no better than the tech write ups that always use mbit instead of Mbit, or the AVC/H264 writers that call it 'Mpeg4', instead of 'Mpeg4 part10' ,'Mpeg4' being the old DivX/Xvid in the spec OC.

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

Didn't Virgin Media have 5mbit upload rate in the 50mbit trials?

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

But for people in an oversubscribed area, vm could have sorted that one, its the proverbial 2 fingers but thanks for your money.

Yes I do have VM broadband, where was the sense in the question? :erm:

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

Over subscribed areas need new hardware to fix the problem - why put 'old' new equipment in when they know they'll be pulling in 'new' new equipment very soon - patch up the problem as a short term solution while they sort out the main problem by upgrading the whole network - sounds like a better answer ini the long term to me.

I'd certainly rather they went down that line, rather than upgrade twice - possibly cause downtime twice while work is carried out, and potentially need to charge us more for the extra hardware (that would become redundant fast as people are moved to the new hardware)

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

And I, like so many others, would like what I pay for now.

Then if they want to put " new new " equipment in and charge more for it I will have the option.

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

really analogue and over subscibed areas should be getting this first as they the areas that need the investment, but same old story they get brushed aside as its favourable and cheaper to upgrade the better of areas.

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

The sense of the question was that in spite of your deep seated hatred of anything and everything Virgin Media does you are still a cable customer. If VM can get even you to subscribe to cable broadband they must be doing something right.

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

:rolleyes:

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

I knew you would agree with me Mick. ;)

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

it doesnt state full (as apposed bronze/silver)cert, but its assumed at this time.

as for the model No.s, thats yet to be published!

http://www.lightreading.com/document...53444&site=cdn
"Modems, CMTSs Break Docsis 3.0 Barrier https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2008/09/22.gifMAY 09, 2008https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2008/09/22.gifDiscuss >https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2008/09/22.gifhttps://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2008/09/22.gifCableLabs on Friday awarded the coveted Docsis 3.0 stamp to three cable modem termination systems (CMTSs) and six cable modems, marking the first consumer-side gear ever to be certified for the new spec, following Wave 58. (See Docsis 3.0 Gear Launched.)
On the modem front, CableLabs certified models from Ambit Broadband , Arris Group Inc. (Nasdaq: ARRS - message board), Cisco Systems Inc. (Nasdaq: CSCO - message board), SMC Networks Inc. , and two modems from Motorola Inc. (NYSE: MOT - message board).

They mark the first modems to be awarded certification for Docsis 3.0, a platform that employs IPv6 capabilities and uses channel bonding techniques to produce shared Internet burst speeds of at least 160 Mbit/s downstream, and 120 Mbit/s in the upstream.

All of the 3.0-certified modems (we're checking for model details now) are believed to be powered by Texas Instruments Inc. (NYSE: TXN - message board)'s Puma 5 silicon platform. "

"

on the related US markets (and my long standing wireless DOCSIS Idea for Vm in the future, so expect new Wimax Docsis3 kit soon perhaps) theres more news.

http://www.lightreading.com/document...53154&site=cdn
"Cable Plays Clearwire Cardhttps://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2008/09/22.gif
MAY 07, 2008https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2008/09/22.gif

It's official: The cable industry is getting into the WiMax biz in a big way.

As expected, three major U.S. cable operators that serve more than 39.4 million subscribers combined -- Comcast Corp. (Nasdaq: CMCSA, CMCSK), Time Warner Cable Inc. (NYSE: TWC - message board), and Bright House Networks – are pumping millions into a new WiMax-powered "mobile broadband company" formed by Sprint Nextel Corp. (NYSE: S - message board) and Clearwire LLC (Nasdaq: CLWR - message board). "


"This transaction is attractive to us strategically and financially, and puts in place very attractive wholesale relationships for access to Sprint's existing 3G and Clearwire's 4G networks, giving us complete flexibility to introduce wireless mobility in terms of product innovation and deployment," said Comcast chairman and CEO Brian Roberts, in a statement.

Time Warner Cable president and CEO Glenn Britt called the deal "a financially prudent way for us to add mobility to our offerings when our customers demand it."

and theres still others trying to do it wrong and on the cheap (related to the VM BOD perhaps ;) ) and using outdated wifi only (not the new wifi/Wimax combined chipsets available off the shelf TODAY)tech before they even start

http://www.lightreading.com/document...53325&site=cdn
"Cablevision High on WiFihttps://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2008/09/22.gifMAY 08, 2008

Discuss >https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2008/09/22.gifhttps://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2008/09/22.gifCablevision Systems Corp. (NYSE: CVC - message board) has some big wireless plans in place, but none of them have to do with Wednesday's big WiMax deal involving Comcast Corp. (Nasdaq: CMCSA, CMCSK), Time Warner Cable Inc. (NYSE: TWC - message board), Bright House Networks , and the other folks linked financially to the "new" Clearwire LLC (Nasdaq: CLWR - message board). (See Cable Plays Clearwire Card and Sprint, Clearwire Create $14.5B WiMax Giant.)

Speaking this morning during a conference call to discuss the company's solid first quarter, Cablevision COO Tom Rutledge said the operator is embarking on a deployment that will throw a WiFi-powered canopy over Cablevision's entire footprint in New York and Connecticut.

The WiFi mesh network is two years from completion, but Cablevision plans to give its base of cable modem customers free access to it to, and offer it to non-subs for a yet-to-be-determined fee. As designed, consumers will be able to hook in using any WiFi-capable device. "

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

BTW, the US cableVision Wifi over cable are apparently going to be using those same Wireless Docsis2.0 units i pointed too after your post above.

silly doing that i think, as they could at the very least commission a new Docsis3 wireless unit for the upcoming two year plan they have set.

personally id advise they (and VM if they ever get into gear and follow them on this sometime in the UK)look to one or two of the combined Wifi/Wimax chipset SOCs available off the shelf right now for a new long term set of kit.

if not the far more advanced old tec of combining several freqs together (i forget the name but its linked in this thread somewere above by me ;) ) to improve overall throughput and Qos and far better Mesh etc.... ;)http://www.dailywireless.org/2008/05/08/7746/

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

so any news on the 50 meg service , whats the role out date anyone?

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

I am very eager to update to 50mb. Has anyone got any new info regarding this new service?

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

Without knowing exact time scales, the areas,(headend/hubsites) will be upgraded following set criteria and a rolling plan, i think over the following months.

Unfortunately it won't be switched on over night as most would like, so it's a case of waiting until it happens where you live.

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

50mb ?????? how? they can hardly supply the 20mb we are supposed to get. Be better to stay at 20mb and be sure of it rather that go to 50mb and maybe not even get 10mb.

I'll belive it when I get 50mb

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

well i for one, get the 20mb i agreed to and sometimes get more :monkey:

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

by using different technology and docsis 3 rather than docsis 1.1/2.0 which is being used now

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

1.5 Mb upload ... I really hope they increase that to at least 10 Mb. Seriously I have an Xbox 360, and I play on Xbox Live. Hosting games is almost impossible for me, with only 768Kb upload, many people lag on my host.

Then it comes to unfair connection advantage. I will explain .... I run up to someone and shoot them in the back with my shotgun ( Gears of War ). Now because my upload speed is so slow, he turns around and sees me, shoots me and because his upload speed is better, his shot counts before mine.

All because his data can reach my Xbox before mine can reach his.

Its complete Bulls***!

VM sort your damn upload speed out .... PLEASE!

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

Strange

None of the clan get that lag in cod4

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

Agreed - the other clan members turn round and shoot me because I am old and slow, not because of any lag ;)

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

but FW you are hardly on the server or never when I'm around...so cant even do a :ninja: on you.

ot: I hope that the 50meg will be nicely priced..or they give 20meggers a say 6 month period to try it out and then deside if we want it or not.

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

but they have to send you ne modem to use 50mbit? how much will they charge to upgrade?

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

Pricing not released yet, however I would say it's highly unlikely that XL customers will get a free trial.

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

true they wont give 20meggers a trial plus I can host fine on 768k

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

I will say that I will miss my upstream when I move from Be to VM shortly. It's weird how much different it makes having that capacity there :(

Download Speed: 8534 kbps (1066.8 KB/sec ) Upload Speed: 1668 kbps (208.5 KB/sec )

On wireless so excuse the slightly low speeds especially on downstream.

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Something else that does concern me about the pricing, where we have deals I hope that they would allow a supplement on top of the bundle for 50Mbit of a tenner a month or whatever, rather than having to pay for all services a la carte due to taking the 50Mbit.

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

I doubt the 50mb will be included in bundles for awhile

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

I really feel your pain brummyuk!
I have just (within the last week or so) really got into Halo for the PC, now I have tried to host games lots of times, going within the Halo recommedations for the upload slots (aparently 512Kbps for a total of 10 players) but I get complaints over a "laggy server" too and people quit left, right & centre.

I have tried hosting smaller games but the most I can do is including myself 4 (128Kbps) and this is less than perfect, so what I need to know is WTF is going on??


so how many people total can join the games you host and what bandwidth settings do you use?

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

normal setting and I have had around 6-10 people on my connection b4 private and ranked matches

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

i play ferrari challeng on the ps3 and tyr join rooms and host rooms for races but it keeps dropping connection from the rooms i barely managed to race for 5 seconds and it cut me off

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

I fail to see why I cannot host more than a 4-person game, I do not have any other internet programs running yet I still get people dropping out due to the lag.

Also when joining games others are hosting, the ping levels are small (80-150) but I still get a lag I am really fed up with it all

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

everythings perfect on my ps3 connection and i play wireless too, before i used to have problems then i changed the router channel from 11 to 6 and hey presto it works flawlessly apart from when cod4 server has problems :(

Re: Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.
 

don't let people who talk utter nonsense make you believe something that isn't true.. wait and see IMO