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It is the 32bit Flash plugin but the browser is 64bit, Novell install the 32bit version of Firefox in the 64bit version, I think Vista comes with 32 and 64bit IE.
The UBUNTU way is much less clunky, and gives you the option of installing GNASH or FLASH.

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Novell? :confused: Novell own Suse, not Ubuntu.

That's what I'd heard as well, though as I haven't tried Vista I can only comment on XP x64, which also comes with both 32 and 64bit flavours of IE.

I see your point about GNASH, which I hadn't heard of before [thanks for that :tu:], but how is Ubuntu's way of having 32bit Flash in 32bit Firefox in 64bit Ubuntu any less clunky than having 32bit Flash in 32bit Firefox or 32bit IE in XP x64 or 64bit Vista?

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I was referring to SUSE, my bad.
Ubuntu has 64bit Firefox, all the applications are 64bit.
SUSE 64bit contains 32bit apps, off the top of my head Firefox and Open Office are both 32bit.
I tried Gnash but I didn't get any sound.

Strange thing with Ubuntu Gutsy, for the first time I can access all 4GB of memory on my system, previously could only access 3.3GB, but, memory usage is now showing over 1GB which works out at using more than the additional 0.7GB than previously, so I seem to have less memory available for apps now, weird.

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I must have had my nOOb hat in in my last post :dunce:
Gutsy isn't using too much memory, Linux takes all it can of course, doh!

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I just wish to add my try at 7.10 so far across a whole range of Machines to give an example of why it does not suit everybody all the time....
( I will only mention the main bits of Hardware that matter to this subject)

Compaq 9105
Nvidia 420 2 Go, Broadcom Wireless
Had everything working a Treat, 3D Desktop, Wireless - the works, shame Screen is only 1024x768 though - work laptop btw.

Dell 840
Nvidia 420 2 Go, Linksys PCMCIA Wireless Card, 1400x1050 Screen.
Struggled all the way with this one, 3D Worked but was Frame by Frame (very slow indeed), maybe do to Res and the card cannot handle it? Wireless tried many guides and in the end stuck a NetGear one in there, worked straight away.

Desktop - Core2Duo 2.4GHz
3D worked fine as expected as it has a GeForce 7600GT in there but the mouse was a whole different ball game. I have the Microsoft 6000 Desktop set which includes a 5 Button Wireless Laser Mouse. Button 4/5 no go and movement is VERY fast around the screen. Scrolling is so fast, I move my wheel on a web page - not matter how long and be at the bottom. Nothing in the way of built in stuff for the mouse to sort it, case of follow Many different "Terminal" guides to sort - gave up !!!

Desktop - Athlon64 3700
ATI X300 Car in there and this is where it hit a dead end in regards 3D Desktop, followed a lot of guides but it was a bit like the Dell, so slow it hurt to even move the screen - as above gave up.

Desktop - Dell GX620
This is probably the only machine out of all of them that actually worked as it should. The Graphics card was only the built in Intel 945G but 3D is fast and works out of the box. The mouse by luck is your normal 2 Button / scroll wheel wired - so again no problems there.

Summary
As you can see I use Linux all the time now on my Dell GX620 and the Dell Laptop but it cannot replace the desktop until the drivers for Graphics Card (mainly ATI) and Broadcom are sorted and a easier way to function with 5+ Button mice for example and why on earth does Backspace in Firefox go up the page instead of back one??

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You can please some of the people some of the time but you cant please all of the people all of the time..;)

Have you tried changing the res,easy way via Screens & graphics or the "terminal" way even???

What about without the beta bells & whilstles running????

Is the "Mouse" utility in the menus no good?...it as acceleration/sensitivity controls.

What about without the beta bells & whilstles running????

Persistance pays off.........;)

GFX,Wireless & mice are so easy to replace in a desktop,if you actually prefer to use Linux that is.
Back arrows pretty good for going back pages i`ve found;)
I`ve been using opera these last few months myself though.

Good job trying them all out though:clap:

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Does Gutsy support WPA/WPA2 out of the box yet?

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We use Debian as a back end @ work instead of Microsoft so using Linux is something I Just have to do anyhow, the main problems for the "home" user would be mainly then the 3D Graphics. The Situation given Linux from what I understand is both ATI who are only now starting to come through with some sort of Decent Drivers and Broadcom - Closed Source in an open source world type thing. As per the Ubuntu Forums though, I had more luck with 7.04 and bolting on the additional then 7.10 on many of the machine above.

Yes it does as the Compaq laptop there had all them choice's from a fresh Install.

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I'd guess it depends on your wireless chipset, rt2500 works for me.

Network manager is a bit klunky though, I found this guide to ditching it & replacing it with wpa_supplicant. I'm going to try it this weekend...

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Well, I followed that guide except that as I'm using a desktop & not interested in roaming I only had one network entry in /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf & I replaced the wpa-roam term in /etc/network/interfaces with wpa-conf.

Working perfectly on boot... :)

Edit - I also changed the driver to wext as I'm not using a madwifi chipset.

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I'm loving this, I installed the previous 7.04 on this laptop before which didn't include the restricted drivers bit and I had to hack a driver together for my Broadcom wireless to get it to work. With this latest version, I installed it, installed the retstricted driver, and I got online today without even thinking about it. If the Ubuntu team carry on this way, I might ask for their hand in marriage (yes, all of them!) :p:

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I have to say it hasn't really got me in a polygamous mood. I've tried several times, & have had probs each time. With the last 2 attempts I keep running into the proverbial brick wall. I try setting it up to be 1024x768 on both monitors, with a dual monitor display, rather than the same thing on both screens, & I end up with 1 monitor just blank & the other a sort of orange colour with vertical green lines that looks kind of like a scratched still frame from an old celluloid movie. Hitting reset just gets me back to that again.

When I can be bothered I'll try reinstalling 1 last time, using a tip I saw on a recent ep of DLTV, which is to not install the protected drivers when given the opportunity. If that doesn't work then I probably won't bother with Linux for another year or so. Maybe it might be a bit less hassle by then [though I doubt it].

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Yeah I stuck with the old fashioned display driver, as I wasn't having much luck getting Compiz running with the restricted one (ATI X300 onboard here)

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I have to use the default ati drivers for an old ati(agp) card we have in a pc the girls use.It`s only some 64Mb thing and dosent require any restricted drivers although it does run compiz fine, out the box as it were.
It wont do TVout with those default ati drivers but it will using the vesa driver.

Which is still more than my own fx5500 will do, with it`s shiney restricted drivers.:)
It does do it`s dual monitors just fine though.

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AFAIK, the built-in Compiz Fusion won't work with the fglrx ATI driver, as fglrx doesn't (yet) support AIGLX.

To use Compiz Fusion with fglrx, you need to install XGL.

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I didn't even get as far as fiddling with Compiz, I was just trying to set my monitors both to 1024x768 in dual screen [instead of mirrored with both showing the same thing] mode when things went pear-shaped.

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Being using this for about a week now, and i must admit i rather like it... Smaba seems like it's taking the mess though, took me ages to add an account so i could share one folder with it... Yikes.

Compiz or whatever it's called feels clunky, and the desktop cube simply refuses to work correctly, displaying one desktop over and over, except with all apps minimised if it swaps to what you would think was another desktop, any tips?

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Install the compiz-config-settings-manager in synaptic for a start...if you dont already have it.
Your "cube" is possibly only set to two horizontal desktops so you wont see any cube.

Go into the "General section" of ccsm once installed and find the "desktop size" tab and set it to 4.

EDIT:Once installed,CCSM is in your preferences menu but is called Advanced Desktop Effects.

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I have it installed, these are the settings from the tab you said about:

Horizontal Virtual Size: 3
Vertical virtual size: 1
Number Of Desktops: 4

Can you see what's wrong from that?

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Set horizontal to 4(for cube) and the other 2 to just one.

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As of the October ATI release (8.42) fglrx does support AIGLX. Unfortunately it's 2D performance is absolutely abysmal. The driver can do all of the Compiz 3D effects flawlessly at speed and then some but can't drag a white window around the screen without tearing :mad:

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AH-hah, so thats why my cube never worked :p:

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Even with those settings the cube still shows the same desktop, just with the windows minimised, is this meant to happen?

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With those settings for me, it works OK...

See attached with Firefox open on one desktop & Amarok on another...

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Not 100% sure i follow.
Are you saying you do get the cube but any open windows(meant to be open)are minimized??
Can you use CTRL-ALT-Arrow Keys to spin the cube or indeed right & left mouse buttons similtaneously........OR even MMB possibly??

Do you have the "Desktop cube" and "rotate cube" plugins selected in the Desktop section??

Can you post screen shots???...just use print-screen and save(none of that copy-paste into MS paint first lark);)

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It seems to be working now, the settings didn't take for some reason and i was messing up. Plus i had 3 desktops, not 4... Gah.

Here is what mine looks like now:

Except, the quality is shocking!

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Cube fanatics....:rolleyes:

Attachment 15357

I was going to stick a Virtual XP on one of the other desktops but forgot i did`nt have an XP one at the ready:)