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As I'm rarely in a McDonalds/Airport/Starbucks/Hotel etc., if I had an iPhone, I'd have to put up with EDGE most of the time.

And EDGE sucks.

Really, really sucks. :(

Was on the train to London last Saturday... 3.5G icon on my phone went at one point, to be replaced with GPRS/EDGE. Such a difference. :(


WiFi *is* very good when you have access to it, but isn't exactly something exclusive to the iPhone (I've had WiFi enabled phones for ages...).



Apple should have delayed things a bit & released a proper UK/Europe iPhone, with all those things that us Brits & Europeans now expect to find as standard in a phone...3G, decent camera, video recording, MMS, custom ringtones, etc. etc.

And a less mickey-taking tariff would've been nice too. Probably wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for Apple's slice I guess.

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£35 with unlimited data seems ok to me...

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Not including the price of the handset of course....

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Exactly - Not including the price of the handset.

You have to pay the kind of inflated tariff some charge for a free/cheap subsidised phone, yet you *also* pay for the phone.


And even then, the allowances are poor.

200 minutes & 200 SMS for £35?!!

OK, so it has "unlimited" data (they have admittedly dropped the 200MB/month hard limit), but it is still subject to the FUP (IIRC... reasonable use, no P2P, no streaming, no modem use, etc...). [& you're stuck with EDGE... if you can actually get EDGE, otherwise it's the even more slow GPRS].


I pay T-Mobile £37.50 for Flext35 + Web 'n' Walk.

£180 allowance (1800 SMS, or 900 minutes, or any mix thereof), plus 1GB/month data.


Even a normal non-Apple-finger-in-the-pie O2 tariff is better than the iPhone tariff IMO, & you can always add the £7.50 Web bolt-on (which AFAIK is still 200MB/month unfortunately).

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Interesting thread:


http://forums.ilounge.com/showthread.php?t=207692

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I think it will be much more attractive once the iPhone has 3G.

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If/When.

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It depends really, The problem is that the likes of Nokia target the European market and hence their phones are quite advanced and have 3G etc. Apple have obviously targeted the American market and in that sense they are behind and less attractive in Europe since no 3G in a £300 phone is quite a ****-take.

On the other hand they have also made quite a few leaps forward ahead of Nokia in terms of interface and use. The iPhone is very nice. If they just improved the connection and dropped the price they would have a excellent product. I hope they fix these before I am due for a upgrade on O2 ;)

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So anyone got one yet??

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Just been down to carphone whorehouse and the o2 shop. Both have copious amounts due in. The o2 shop is closing at 2pm and opening at 6.02pm whilst the carphone whorehouse is staying open al day and launching the phone at 6.00pm and staying open until 10pm (CPW also say they are getting 40-50 in).

So I've got the dosh, I'm in the area, I've cleared it with the other half what is there to stop me getting one :-)

I like the phone, I will get an ipod either way, I like the interface, I like the unlimited data and free wi-fi. I'm not fussed about the minutes as its more texts than I have now and don't go over them. I was also considering getting a usb dongle so My tariff was going to be £30 plus £10 a month anyway.

O the torment.

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Does anyone know if it works with a current 02 sim card?

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You get a new sim card in the iphone. You then have to plug your iphone into your computer and use itunes to sync it and migrate over your number.

Your old phone sim will not work.

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Only thing putting me off is the £269 price tag, 18 Month Contract, no 3G and also the fact that I'd be stuck on O2.

Other than that I really want one :) Might just get an iPod touch instead.

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£269 not putting me off, 18 month contract I'm 18 months into my current contract so thats no issue. 3g aint a bother as have the wi-fi and as for being stuck with o2 then I've been with then 6 years as it is.

Of course I might just get a Lg Viewty stick a big card in it and get a Jawbone headset. Or a Sony P1.

Off to the o2 shop in 10 mins to see :-)

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Let us know your thoughts Handyman.

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Well if I am being tied to an 18 month contract at £35 a month I don't think I should still have to pay £269 for the phone.

Give it a few months and it will probably drop.

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funny clip on the beeb website ... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7085643.stm watch the Geek Test

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£689 and then any extra charges is a bit of con...

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I'll admit the iPhone is very overpriced. But the way people keep adding the cost of the contract onto the total price is dishonest imo. All phones cost more when you factor the contract price in.

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Excellent technology but wasted on a phone. Great if you like showing off etc though.

But it would take a lot for me to get one, and to be honest I don't think I'd consider it because it's a phone. I like to put something in my pocket and forget about it and not pay something so over priced that I'd be worrying about it all the time.

I did see a comical advert where it was the N95 vs the Iphone, and in the end they preferred their own oldie types because it's basically all you want is a phone and a much more simpler thing to use at the end of the day.

Imagine 2 weeks after paying out "Oh my God !! I've got a scratch on it".

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ok, this does not look as good, but i think kills the ipod feature wise!

Price: £485.86 sim free


http://www.portagadgets.com/uk/produ...roductid=25434

yes its the new N95 i have been keeping an eye on the progress of nokia's phones, notorious for rushing phone releases then creating a follow up soon after :p:

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I read that the plastic used in the iphone earbuds is toxic, there's a bit about it in the latest micro mart. Remember kids the earbuds are not sweets :erm:

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that clip was on the beeb website ;)

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I've just got one and I'll let you know what it's like after I stop drooling. :drool:

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come on then its been 20mins!!!:p:

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trouble is, it is difficult to use an asp & a touch screen phone at the same time ;) :D

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I'll have you know my wrist action is second to none ;)

Anyway, it's great. Browsing full webpages on a bog standard O2 connection is a bit slow but any of the mobile pages seem to fly and once a page is loaded (BBC News etc.) actually reading them in full is superb.
Getting it activated wasn't too bad, a bit slow on the O2 side but now it's done.

Wi-Fi, iTunes, video and everything else is so easy to use it makes normal phones seem a bit bland and boring.

It would of been nice to have 3G on it and possibly GPS but right now I'm very happy.

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whats the virtual keyboard like......easy to use?

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Got one also, just got back in as we went to o2 at 6.02 and they don't take solo, so we then went to Carephone warehouse who's chip and pin systems crashed.

*cry*

So we where going for a Chinese any way in Kendal so we had it and I convinced Claire we should nip back and it went straight through.

So I-tunes is installing.

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Yep, dead simple. After a couple of goes I've found it really easy to use. And the SMS is a bit like Gmail with a conversation instead of standalone texts.

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the wifi is it a 802.11g or 802.11b network? if G then I might be tempted soon ish

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G. Safari is very nippy on Wi-Fi as well.

The more I use it the better it gets. Zooming in and out of webpages is dead easy after a while and it's by far the best mobile browsing device I've used. Just a pity it's not 3G...

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loving it :-)

Posting from it now.

@bopdude- I'll be in teesside on Friday I'f you want a gander.

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If your already on O2, Do you need to buy via O2 over the phone or can you get an iPhone at an apple store and simply transfer to the new contract via iTunes or over the phone?

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During the activation it asked if you wanted to swap over an existing contract so I assume you can just buy the phone and do that.

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At that stage do they do a credit check?

Do you even have one if your moving a contract over?

How you have had it for a while, how are you liking it?

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Whats the texting like on this phone, heard nothing good about it.

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It's good apparently, but you knew that didn't you?

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It can't do MMS though which is a bit behind the times.

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Sorry worded it wrong, I heard the texting was ****, but apparently its good, Ill have to go to the apple store to find out.

:shocked: ur joking me, how all my ladies meant to send me nudes :confused:

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Texting is great and it shows texts in conversation style so you can keep track. I find it as easy as the keyboard on my xda mini.

As for picture messages, just get them to send them to email, or perhaps o2 will send you a text containing a web link to go view the pic.

At the end of my first day with it I'm finding it a superb piece of kit, its a joy to use just about every feature on it. I think I could rotate the phone and watch it rotate the pictures for hours. I don't think the sign up did a credit check but then I was an existing o2 customer.

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OK cool, does it have GPS?

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Nope but it has a turn by turn fake gps done through google maps.

Not that I'd use it, I prefer my tom tom on the xda mini. I'm going to look to see if it is better to keep the xda for sat nav or sell it and get a dedicated tom tom unit.

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ok thanks, no doubt it will be hacked to use it one day.

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Unlock your iPhone

http://www.iphoneunlocked.eu/

http://www.iphonesimfree.com/iphones...eetutorial.pdf

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Please bear in mind unlocking your iPhone will result in voiding your warranty, problems upgrading to newer software updates (it will disable the hack and you would need to wait until it's hacked again!), and possibly bricking your iPhone

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Seems the iPhone launch event wasn't quite as busy as expected.. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/11/11/iphone_uk_flop/

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I think it sold quite well, its just it was not going to sell out so no sense queuing

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FYI, If you recieve a mms you get a link to the o2 website to view it on. simply enter your phone number and a 4 digit pin to view it. Fairly simple especially on the iphone to view the web page.

Going to work out a way of sending them , quite suprised there is not the option on the o2 iphone web home page to do this with a pin. I'm guessing it should be able to access the pix on the phone and simply charge the regular amount for sending them.

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*waits for thread on the second generation iphone next year :D

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I want one but not prepared to go on a contract for one, import from France I think It will have to be

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You'll have to keep your eye on monysaving expert - I'm sure there will be some offers on there eventually ;) :)

I've certainly found it a very interesting read.

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2nd Generation will either be higher capacity and more expensive or it will be the iphone nano (the one I've got my money one) which I don't want.

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Hopefully the 2nd generation iPhone will actually have 3.5G, MMS, decent camera, multi-recipient SMS, video recording, etc...

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As the iphone runs os x it should only be a software update to add in mms and video recording and multi-recipient SMS.

3.5g well its got wi-fi which is much faster. The camera is never going to be as good as a proper camera anyway.

argh I'm turning into an apple fanboy....

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EDGE is not too slow tbh. (i gave in and got a iPhone) I got some questions btw:

1) How do you get Visual Voicemail Working mine isnt

2) Where do we find out the cost of using the iPhone in France for calls and Data?

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Erm I'm not sure on visual voice mail as it just sort of happened for me. It's really god as it stores your vm offline on the phone :-)

Costs of roaming will be the same as your normal o2 contracts so should be on the o2 website somewhere. As for data roaming there is a function on the iphone settings to turn this off so you don't rack up mega bills.

How are you finding it so far?

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It should, at least, be as good as cameras in other phones though. As for having wifi. This is good, as long as you are within range (theoretically 100 metres, but usually a lot less) of a compatible Wifi network. I get 3.5G coverage on my MDA Vario II over most of London.

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Ah, hopefully they will do that then.

However WiFi is only any use if you're at a WiFi hotspot.

No WiFi... you're stuck with EDGE. And if you're really unlucky, you don't even get EDGE, & have to put up with the even more painfully slow speeds of GPRS.

Camera...no, never as good as a standalone digicam. But could still be far better than 2MP.

Once you start down the Apple path, forever will it dominate your destiny. Consume you it will!

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People really should pay attention to that.

Also, be prepared for postie going on strike next month at having to lug 300 x A4-sized page bills about. :)

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Loving it :D

Just worried about the contract stuff. I moved from another O2 contract and I am worried that there might be a mistake which could involve me getting billed for the old contact and the new one. Also, I had O2 Europe thing which got me cheaper calls and am not sure if that works anymore.

So nice though, EDGE is speedier than I though it would be and I am loving the browser, mail client and iPod.

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I think it's online only in UK for billing.

The data thing worried me so I double checked before I got it in a Apple Store to ensure it's possible to switch it off.

It's under Settings > General > Network. Then side Data Roaming to 'off'

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And if the providor of said hotspot has enough bandwidth and/or the hotspot doesn't have a lot of other users.

This isn't always the case, as a lot of businesses who provide hotspots go for the slowest broadband connection they can get away with. Combine that with the presence of other WiFi users, and you get a slow connection.

Not to mention the fact that if the WiFi hotspot isn't provided by The Cloud (who, IIRC, have tied in with O2 to provide network access), then you could end up paying a lot of money for something 3g customers get as part of their tariff.

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That's another thing that concerns me. A large percentage of the people the the Iphone will appeal to won't have the technical knowledge to find out something like that, so they could end up running up huge bills while doing nothing, because they didn't know the phone was accessing the network regularly.

It should be OFF by default.

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Not sure how much they would run up. The most it will do, if they do nothing, is check their e-mail. It wont download attachments unless you select the,

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Yes, but roaming charges for data are always horrendous.

Even just a small amount of data from downloading email headers.

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It's still running up bills, while the user is doing nothing. If the user switches on the option (as other phones require), that's fair enough, they've made the choice, they should pay.

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Nope. It runs up a data bill even if no data services are used, like people using it as an iPod.

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I said before, and I'll say again. While I am happy to pay (and have, in the past), the kind of prices charged for the Iphone itself and the contract, if the phone is advanced enough to justify it, I don't consider the Iphone to be advanced enough.

Take away the software (which other manufacturers are already starting to emulate in more advanced phones), then the only advantages the Iphone has over the N95 are the multi touch screen and the battery life (although the figures I saw were manufacturer figures, so I'm taking them with a pinch of salt).

The web browsing is nice, but having used Safari on an ipod touch, I am not convinced it is a useful way to browse the web (in the zoomed out view, the text is too small, so unless you are looking for a particular area on a page, it is pointless), and, as with the other software features, if people like it, other manufacturers will find a way to do it (I believe Opera Mini already does).

The photo viewing is nice, but I don't tend to store my photos on my phone unless I took them with the phone.

The Multi Touch screen is nice, but I am not convinced it is useful in a device as small as a phone. On a laptop, it might be good.

The N95 has the advantage of GPS, a screen that is nearly as good as the Iphone's, expandable memory, a proper keypad (having had to use a touch screen keypad on my Vario, despite what Jobs says, I *did* miss having actual buttons to press, the touch screen doesn't give the same tactile feedback) and easily replacable sim and battery. So, if battery life is a problem, you could carry a second around. You also get 3.5G to go with your WiFi connection.

Apple/O2 are charging top dollar for some nice looking previous generation hardware running some nifty software and a touch screen. If they bought the prices down to a level competitive with the likes of Nokia and Samsung, then I'd be interested in the Iphone.

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@ Stuart you should try one, I sat and viewed cf for an hour this morning on it and it was fine, certainly better than any device that small.

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thats why you need to turn off data roaming, otherwise it will check e-mails and stuff. I don't think it uses data if its turned off and you do not request any?

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better than a PSP, The web browser? is it fast aswell

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Can't comment on the psp as not used the internet on one. but it is not as fast as a desktop but not as slow as a pda. Certainly it is different in a good way.

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I tried the ipod touch, which uses the same version of Safari. The zooming didn't add anything to the experience.

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Cool, enjoy surfing the internet on your n95 or whatever then.

What is better than it for browsing on a handheld?

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Well, I have an MDA at the moment (which I did say in the post above). Browsing using Opera (or Minimo when I could get it working) works better, in my opinion.

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I have to admit the zooming and moving of the page making browsing on the iPhone really nice. But each to their own

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It doesn't if its turned off, but that's not what I said. If its on and you don't connect to the net in anyway, the iPhone still will and bill you for it.

Given how some people in the US have been caught out, its always worth a mention.

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Oh yes. It does. Checks your e-mails and maybe some other things...

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Really?

I've found browsing on both the mda vario and the xda's to be a last resort where as the iphone is so much easier.

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I've found that it is quicker to double tap to zoom a seqment of web page (perhaps even rotating the iphone for an extra zoom in) then double tapping to get the whole web page again a bit faster than pinch zooming and scrolling then pinch zooming out again.

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yeah, thats cool too. Have you insured yours?

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At over £30 a qtr I told them to go shove it. I guess they have been told that they are making zip all on the handsets and to upsell like mad which is the impression I got at CPW.

If it was £5 a month I might have had a shot at it at least for the first 3 months.

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It will cost quite a bit to replace, that's the problem. I might insure it but not sure where. Maybe O2's insurance

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Using Internet Explorer, I take it.

Not saying Safari is a bad browser, it's just I didn't find the zooming thing as much of a revolution as everyone is claiming.

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Using both IE and Opera.

Its not the zooming in thing that's perhaps the revolution, its the smoothness and speed that the whole things runs at. Its also the fact you don't have to have a pointer stick and when you click a link it gets it bob on most of the time.

For instance when navigating a thread on CF it takes a steady hand to click next or page 3 of the thread etc. With the zoom its a quick pinch or a double tap then click you link with confidence.

I have to say I was sceptical about the device and bought it becasue I was going to get a nano or a shuffle and my contract was up and this had what I needed. I did not expect it to be this good.

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using the ipod mode and then surfing the net at the same time, like I am doing now is great! So smooth

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The first 10 things we’re doing with our UK iPhone tonight

http://www.pocketpicks.co.uk/latest/...ght/#more-4955

i like the comment at the bottom some chap as made 11-12-13

Then head over to:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/11/11/iphone_uk_flop/

my monday morning read of all the new iphone stuff was basically very negative while everyone is more than happy to admit its "cool" seems people want more than cool :)

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well those of us that own one seem to love it :)

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as long as you are happy thats all that matters there is no right or wrong when choosing a phone :)

the mighty SUN posted:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...icle451486.ece

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£900 ?? Why add the cost of the contract into things. WTF would I want to use payg for. As for £35 a month I don't think that is bad considering you get :

1gb gprs/edge (Approx £7 - £10 worth)
unlimited wifi hotspot (up to £30 on freedom to surf for 20 hours)
200 mins
200 texts

Video on most mobiles is pretty crappy anyway and despite owning (at the time one of the most advanced camera/video phones the k750i) I only took one video on it and that was useless.

I fail to see how surfing on the n95 can be anywhere near as fast as on wi-fi on the iphone anyway. I think those that are knocking it are perhaps too tight to buy one and are jealous ;-)

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Handyman, I think it's more than 1GB, They removed the cap. Now it's just "Don't take the ****"

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Try using Wifi outside a major metropolitan area.

Also, bear in mind that the Nokia has the WiFi option *as well*.

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I should have mentioned that another deciding factor in buying a new phone was that there is bugger all sigal of any description in the Lakes so 3g is out of the window as it would always revert back to gprs. At least with o2 they will be adding edge to all cell sites in time. (I'm not sure what their 3g roll out plans are).

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I was wondering if someone could do me a favour.....

Can you post a picture or two of the iphone (in internet mode) looking at CF at maximum zoom, and one of it in coverflow mode would be nice.

I'm not that interested in the phone part - but I am interested in a ipod touch.

I'm hoping that I can still see the screen with my Mr MrGoo glasses on.


Thanks for your help :)

Dilli.

p.s. I know I can get plenty of pictures on the internet - but one showing CF would help me judge scale much better.

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Damien,

Can't you get it insured under your home insurance. Should be MUCH MUCH cheaper.

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I tried but I could not get the text in focus. Hopefully these might help a bit until someone with a better camera has a go.

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Mmm, O2 will replace the handset quickly though. Insurance companys might take longer since they will need to provide the cash and get the phone and then I'll have to phone up O2 and move it all across....

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That's brilliant - cheers :tu: :)

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I'd rather use a 19" monitor to look at webpages, I find it's just too gimmicky over practical use to view on a 3inch screen. Can't things wait till you are at a computer?

Sorry a phones a phone to me, give me the k800i over one of those anyday. (and yes I can afford to get one today if I wanted).

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No.

I'm quite happy with my nokia 6630 as a phone, but not as a mp3 player.

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Have you used one yet?

I find it highly practical to use and as JT is a proper geek he needs internet access to be available 24/7 regradless of location. I'll try take a zoomed in shot of the text for you JT. It does render the text very clearly at max zoom.

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I've seen one in use. If one was given to me I'd be grateful but there's no way I'd pay for one.

I ain't disputing the technical side of them, but I can watch a film on my k800i if I wanted to, I can listen to radio, mp3s etc etc, but often don't, it gets used to call people up and recieve calls, it's a phone. You are paying for a gadget and I respect that, if I got one I'd use it to browse online but I can honestly say it would be short lived.

It doesn't matter what anyone says at the end of the day, any one that pays for something like this IS going to big it up to justify their causes. And good luck to them, enjoy it. :tu:

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I have a short commute and the k800i is great for music or radio on the commute. The browser is good enough for when I am out and about as is google maps. The 3MP camera and proper flash mean that it is used as my point and shoot camera, battery life is great I can text almost blindfold as I have a tactile keyboard and it tenaciously holds onto signals. It also fits into my jeans pocket, can be sat on and is pretty tough. Funnily enough the lens cover has stopped it getting drowned in beer on a pub table so I could also say that is a useful feature.
The iPhone is nice but well my phone takes better pictures in good and bad light. My phone plays music and my phone makes calls.