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and what does it have on the back cover, excellent award winning football coverage, the most in depth match reports, interviews and transfer gossip sometimes months ahead of their rivals, just because the news desk doesn't have a reporter worth the name amongst them doesn't mean the sports dept is the same and btw it isn't them that's saying it, it's your own manager and he sounds pretty worried, your right though no one wins the title in August, these days though it can be lost there, you can't just rely on a late run anymore, look at Chelsea last year

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Not a patch on the Telegraph sports output. Quite apart from the better standards of journalism , todays Telegraph's dedicated sports supplement has 32 pages, 11 pages of premiership match reports and analysis including a full page match by match comprehensive stats breakdown. A further seven pages of football news including a match report from every single English league game plus Scottish and non league reports. A further 14 pages of sports reports covering at least 17 other sports and a results page for more than 24 different sports worldwide, if you want gossip, rumours and half truths read the Sun, if you want real in depth reports and sensible commentary look elsewhere.:cool:

Jim.

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Ok I'd have expected you to have a little more insight towards football psychology, evidently I appear to be wrong.

SAF is a master of mind games. Usually he (publically) aimes it at other rmanagers but is known to use it against his own players. SAF knows that 2 points from the opening 3 games is by no means a disaster and has overcome it in the past and undoubtabley will do it again.

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I think even at the start of the season he would have said it would be tough to retain the Premiership, it's never going to be easy to win the premiership, i'm sure Mourinhio, Benitez and Wenger will say it's going to be tough to win the league, so imo this isn't much of a story and it's just a way of motivating the players for the coming weeks.

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Not sure what is mean't by this report about Jol, the heading is "Spurs chiefs 'lose faith in Jol' but the report really doesn't say anything
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...em/6954968.stm
I think Jol overall is doing a good job, this season is only 3 games old after all :rolleyes:

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And yet Jol's position at Spurs is under threat and they have one point more, perhaps we should see if any more players are brought in, to see whether he is worried, after all when it looked like the Carlos deal had stalled he said 'we have no plan B', interesting to see of he has suddenly come up with one or is just panic buying.

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You're not seriously comparing Spurs to United are you?? :spin:

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Of couse not, they have had no success in years and have spent less money, yet they have more points and their managers job is on the line

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Not sure if this was your intention but you've helped reinforce my point. SAF has a history of winning. He's helped the team overcome the odds so why should he be too worried now?

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Jol's job isn't on the line. 2 brilliant seasons, best in decades, isn't wiped out by losing two games in a row. Sunderland were lucky, it should have been a draw. Everton was a deserved loss, and we won against Derby 4-0. Disappointing, but we're not going to dump Jol because of it.

As Jol (good friend of Ferguson) says, its far too early to draw any conclusions on how the league will end up. People just like to gossip and stir.

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This typifys EVERY thing that is wrong with the SKY era of football. I'm not a spurs fan, but did Jol not deliver two consecutive ffth place finishes ?

The guy spends £40 million on the team and potentially could be sacked after three games

madness, utter & complete madness

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And we lost out on 4th place because we drew one game instead of winning it. And that Arsenal had been playing with their chemistry set.

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Your manager is concerned enough to go to the press and tell them they can't afford anymore slip ups and you don't think he's worried

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Also took 4 years for Ferguson to win a trophy and 6 years for Ferguson to deliver the league. Jol has only been there 3 seasons, with 2 x 5th place finishes, and semi-final of UEFA cup.

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Don't be so sure, if it were one paper I'd agree whole heartedly but for it to be in every paper and on the tv every day, there is more to it

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None of us know what has gone on there, if he doesn't have the confidence of the chairman or they have fallen out for what ever reason he is a dead man walking, look at Jose last year, could he have come any closer to losing his job?

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Thats all well and good however it's a totally different era now !!

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Well, i'm not worried. One person misreads a asignal and everyone wants to be on top of it... Plus Spurs have a reputation of going through managers quicker than most people go through hot meals.

TBH, if we sack Jol, certainly this early in the season, then i'd probably just give up on supporting football altogether.

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Or one person at the heart of it leaks it to suit their own agenda :shrug:

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That's all well and good too, but you missed my point. Managers need time to bring success. Ferguson wasn't an overnight success by any imagination. Nowadays managers are only dismissed after a season or two, they don't stand a chance.

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I think we're in agreement but in a roundabout way :D It's not about football now, It's about money :( and teams are demanding instant success

As i have said before with SKY it's a double edged sword.

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So you don't think he uses mind hands to motivate his own players and get other manager over-confident? Do YOU really think he's worried after everything he's achieved?

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According to the Sporting life rumour mill Jol is almost certain to leave.

I wonder if it was Daniel Levy, making this alleged huge punt. :erm:

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I don't think he was using 'mind hands' in that interview, more like cold hard facts, laying it on the line for everyone to see and I would imagine the success he has already had means he is worried, he'll want this title just as much as he wanted the first and as he said it'll be a struggle now

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I heard that Jol is being forced out by one of people who was on the apprentice who did interviews for Sir Alan Sugar in one of the later episodes with the contestents who is now actually quite high up in the Spurs board. Apparently he has fallen out with him and now the majority of the board is against him, they are just using the start to the season as a cover story to get rid of him.

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Well I guess that just illustrates the difference between someone who supports United and someone who is rather cynical toward the most successful British team over the last 20 years!

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That made me laugh, but wasn't it later proved to have been a stomach bug?

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Good, it's what that traitor deserves, i hope we just let him rot in the reserves for the remainder of his contract.

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Sorry, he can see his chances of first team football being limited, if he has any ambition it is understandable he would want that. He has always given maximum effort and is still a top notch fullback, Evra is good but Silvestre is a poor substitute, it may be to late but I for one hope that Fergie can convince him he has a future at OT.

Jim.

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We stood by him when he was out injured for about a year and how does he repay us for that? Wanting to move to the scousers, yes he was a good player but i for one hope to never see him in a United shirt again after what he's done.

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I'm sure that if Chelsea, Arsenal or any of the top half dozen clubs made an offer he would be interested, he didn't initally ask to go to Liverpool, he had a clause in his contract allowing him to go if the price was right, personally I think it is morally wrong to prevent him going to any club that matches the asking price, I am also sure that if he was getting a regular game he would not want to go.

He is still under contract and would be hard to replace.

Jim.

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Cambridge Utd 5-1 Farsley Celtic

I can't believe this good start.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...es/default.stm

:D

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Whose being cynical? All I did was repeat his words, you can say it's mind games, mind hands or mind over matter all you want, the fact is imo his statement isn't meant to motivate anyone nor upset any of his rivals, it's meant as a cold hard warning based, on the way the last few League seasons have gone

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First of all there is no such thing as 'mind hands' - the 'hands' bit appeared as I was posting from my phone, I meant to say 'games' but predictive text got carried away... :spin:

Secondly you've just summed up my point! Your opinion is that it's not meant to be mind games - you're hardly a United fan, you want to see us fail so it's obvious how you'd view it. But SAF is a master of mind games, he uses them on other managers, he uses them on his team. It's as clear as day to those who aren't cynical to United! You've repeated his words but it's not exactly unheard of for him to say one thing and mean another!

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I don't want to see you fail, any success is largely irrelevant to me, in fact if it came to a choice of you or Chelsea I'd be rooting for you guys, I don't think mind games work on managers anymore, sure it can upset people and get you involved in annoying feuds but the days of keegan and his little speech are long gone and if he is using them on the players as you say, it's a pretty basic attempt from the 'master', he doesn't need to get in their heads to tell them what the experience of the last few seasons should make them fully aware of

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Mind hands, lol ;)

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You reminded me of it and i can't stop laughing. 'I will love it if we beat them':rofl:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW8p8xppxwA&NR=1

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[QUOTE=yesman;34380618]Cambridge Utd 5-1 Farsley Celtic

I can't believe this good start.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...es/default.stm

:D[/QUOTE

will they play as well for the rest of the seson.
Farsley where not a good side.
good start for us thought

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Link

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Nice result for the boyos tonight :tu:

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Apparently he's gone for 8million. Not bad, we stop him from going to the scousers and get an extra couple of million for him than we would have got if he had gone to them. Good to see he's gone quickly so the scousers can't complain about the decision not to let him go there.

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Anyone going to mention the action tonight then? :D

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omg Wales won a game Russ ;)

didnt see the england game...couldnt be bothered but losing against Germany isnt too bad its a good team still and its rebuilding.

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Well Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland the the Republic of Ireland all won.

Oh and some pub team got beaten by the Germans. :D

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Ah yes, 'rebuilding'. Wasn't that the same word used to describe the English rugby team? :D

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.....and Boro have reportedly sold Yakubu to everton for £11.25m.

http://www.mfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/...097592,00.html

yeah he's gone.

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Think he was actually talking about the Germans rebuilding but dont let that get in the way :rolleyes:

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Good result for Norn Iron. We are 2nd in the group, 1 point ahead of Spain and 2 behind Sweden. Some big games coming up!

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It was a bit ambiguous really but still, in 'smug celt' mode things can easily get mixed up :D

Still, England have a very real chance of winning Euro 2008 of course. And McClaren is the man to do it.

Well done to all...erm most of the home nations :D

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Bring back Sven :blush:

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Apparently Cambridge, Leeds and Notts Forrest are the favourites to be taken over, it's an interesting concept

http://www.myfootballclub.co.uk/

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It's a load of tosh. Whoever has the money to buy the club would then not be able to run it.

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I don't know much about it, only what I read in an article about them yesterday, seems that the members will chose which club to go for and vote on all issues except ones during the game, which is probably why Leeds and Notts Forrest have the most votes amongst their members, being to clubs with big support in the lower leagues, imo they shouldn't go for either, they are to big, money wise though they have a budget of 1.3 million for the first year, to buy the club and run it

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That wouldn't be enough to buy us let alone sign new players which the fans constantly demand.

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Exactly what I meant when I said you and Leeds were to big for this, 1.3 million though could do wonders for a div 2 or conference team, it would finally give fans the chance to show they should be listened to by chairmen as well

Edit: It's 1.4 million nearly now

Here are the top 15 clubs, Arsenal 9th Man U 12th :rofl:

TOP 15 CLUBS
most voted for so far

• 1 Leeds United
• 2 Nottingham Forest
• 3 Cambridge United
• 4 Accrington Stanley
• 5 Brighton
• 6 Barnet
• 7 QPR
• 8 Brentford
• 9 Arsenal
• 10 York City
• 11 Torquay United
• 12 Manchester United
• 13 Oxford United
• 14 Woking
• 15 Dagenham & Redbridge

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I actually signed up for this a while ago and voted for one of the lower clubs. I think it would be intersting to see if it actually works even though i'm not too sure it will.

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Benitez..........
:confused:

I think Benitez is having a laugh

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...ol/6962016.stm

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Man Utd eyeing Berbatov
Bad news for Spurs fans if it goes ahead.

BBC Sport

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I give up........

BBC Speculation Department

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No because the actual registration of the transfer, once we'd all agreed on the deal was completed in no time, where as Liverpool had to receive special clearance for the deal to go ahead due to the transfer window closing tbh though he is making mischief because if 'that' clause wasn't in Tevez contract with Man Utd, why would there be a delay

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QPR's Ray Jones dies in car crash

I don't know the player at all, but sad news, at such a young age.

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what Rafa is forgetting is that he had played in Brasil for Corinthians, plus he had played for West Ham. Under FIFA rules a player can sign for three clubs during a season but only play for two.

Due to the fact that his games in Brasil was actually for the season before, although due to the way the league is run those dates were only a few months ago, they had to run this past FIFA and to get clearance.

Tevez was signed during a new season so we had no problems with this rule

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He was quite talented apparently, Sheff Utd, Charlton and Wigan were fighting over him in January, very sad :(

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Boro 2 - 2 Newcastle

It wasn't a bad game, shame fat lad scored for them though.

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What is the capacitiy at the Riverside, pathetic sub 29,000 attendance for a local derby.:rolleyes:

Jim.

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35k if I remember.

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cambridge drew again close call goal 90 min we hey

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Yep, the U's seem to have a habit of scoring in added time of late.
Just watched the Stevenage - Oxford match, and Stevenage on tonights performance look a very good side as did Oxford really, it was a good game.
This is a better league than people give it credit for, having said that, I would rather see United back in the football league.

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SOLSKJAER QUITS - REPORT

End of a great career, for a great striker, I for one will miss him. :(

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I really hope that is not true :(:(:(

A great player, a true legend, thanks for everything Ole :tu:

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The beeb have picked up on it too :(

A true Old Trafford legend - we will never forget THAT goal :tu:

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it's a sad day but I think it's for the best. I know he got 10 goals last season but all of those were tap ins and open goals. he never was the player he was before and it would be a shame to see him come on and not be good enough.

True legend for the club, hope he gets offered a coaching role for the club as he's been a tremendous servant.

Now means we have Rooney, Tevez, Saha and Dong as our strikers this season. Wish he still had Rossi or Smith

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Link

Very sad :(

RIP

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i was just reading that myself. Wonder if there is more to this case like performance drugs or anything.

Very sad as he was only 22

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He already is.......
:tu:

http://www.manutd.com/default.sps?pa...Profile&page=3

Nice compilation - tribute here

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A bit of news for The Daddy.....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...td/6967593.stm ;)

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Good news for United and Arsenal fans, they were both apparently intrested in signing him aswell :);)

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Well done to Liverpool - a well deserved 4-0 win :D

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I guess that you are not impressed with him then? ;)

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Your right, i'm not impressed by a fat, depressed, alcoholic that used to be a very good player and is now about 5th choice at Inter.
(He will probably end up top scorer now i've said this :dozey:)

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Come on you Villa :)

No disrepect to Wrexham, but I'm just hoping tonights results keeps confidence high for Chelsea at the weekend :)

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...up/6963502.stm

heh.

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I don't think its very funny :td:

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I said heh as in meh and blah or something as in "nothing to add". Not hehe.

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It looks as though Arsenal are to be bought out by a Russian....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6971124.stm

More on this story from the Daily Mail

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Champions League Draw...
Group F
MANCHESTER UNITED
Roma
Sporting Lisbon
Dynamo Kiev

Roma again :erm:

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/f...pe/6970924.stm

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Draw for the 2007/08 Champions League

British teams in bold and the top seeds in CAPITALS


Group A
LIVERPOOL
Porto
Marseille
Besiktas

Group B
CHELSEA
Valencia
Schalke 04
Rosenborg


Group C
REAL MADRID
Werder Bremen
Lazio
Olympiakos


Group D
AC MILAN
Benfica
Celtic
Shakhtar Donetsk

Group E
BARCELONA
Lyon
Stuttgart
Rangers


Group F
MANCHESTER UNITED
Roma
Sporting Lisbon
Dynamo Kiev

Group G
INTER MILAN
PSV Eindhoven
CSKA Moscow
Fenerbahce

Group H
ARSENAL
Sevilla/AEK Athens
Steau Bucharest
Slavia Prague

Info from BBC Sport online.

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Tough group for us, the one team i didn't want is Roma. Ronaldo and Nani going back to thier old club as well.

Why do Arsenal always get the easiest bloody group :rolleyes:

Good luck Rangers lol

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I think they will end up:

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dont know bout the group for Arsenal. Bucharest and Slavia are quite strong Sevilla or AEK are not easy either. but then saying that ManUre has got a lovely group and yes Chelsea and Liverpool are quite interesting as well.

really dont fancy putting bets on group A tho... besiktas (nasty crowd) Marseille (can be really good and dangerous) Porto (ouch again hard team to beat)

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We don't. This year is the first for a while where we've not got at least one tough team. 03/04 was as hard as nails. 01/02 was pretty straightforward.

98/99 - Dynamo Kyiv, Lens, Panthinaikos
99/00 - Barcelona, Fiorentina, AIK
00/01 - Sparta Prague, Shakhtar Donetsk, Lazio then Spartak Moscow, Bayern Munich, Lyon
01/02 - Real Mallorca, Schalke, Panathinaikos then Deportivo, Juventus, Bayer Leverkusen
02/03 - Borussia Dortmund, PSV, Auxerre then Roma, Ajax, Valencia
03/04 - Inter Milan, Lokomotiv Moscow, Dynamo Kyiv
04/05 - Panathinaikos, PSV, Rosenborg
05/06 - Ajax, Thun, Sparta Prague
06/07 - Hamburg, Porto, CSKA Moscow
07/08 - Slavia Prague, Sevilla/AEK, Steaua Bucharest

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I'm sorry but all of those are much easier than the group United have this year. It's probably more of a case of Arsenal making it hard for themselves rather than the group actually being difficult. ;)

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Boro won 2 - 0. Wheather and Downing scored. :D

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Well, the first half at OT was a good as the quality of the picture on Sultana.:rolleyes: :td:

Jim.

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Good reception for Keano's return to Old Trafford, however the game is a bit of a dud so far.

Tevez and Anderson look out of their depth. Nani, not too bad.

Only plus signs at half time is Scholes and Evra.

How we need Ronaldo and Rooney back, or even for Saha to appear in the second half would do.

Overall :( 2/10 for the first half

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Saha was definately what we needed, did very well for his first appearance in a long time :tu:

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Let's hope he lasts a bit longer this time and makes it to the end of the season.

Also, nice to see United catching up with the early leaders after a shaky start to the season.

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We may have gotten the 3 points, but the shaky start isn't over yet.

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I think you might be right there.

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We looked like a team of new players, who hadn't played together before... :(

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I think with Ronaldo, Rooney and Saha back in the side, which looks like it will be the next match, it will soon be over.

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2-0!!!!!

José and Abramovich weren't smiling very much today :D

:woot: :woot: :woot:

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Nice one :tu:

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Abramovich actually left before the game was over - sore loser!

Be interesting to see if Murinho will speak on MOTD2 after ;)