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NTL rock:disturbd:

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Now ppl sould phone NTL and ask about the DATE GO GO

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NO! DO NOT! Customer sevices will know no more than you guys do on this thread. It hasn't been announced internally, and I really think that CS and the customers calling in for other customer service queries/probelms would appreciate the lines NOT being busy with stupid calls like asking about the upgrade. :rolleyes:

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Only the "Bloke in the Pub" knows that, and he said September or was it October, I'm sure he said it was September, subject to the work having been completed or something.
Whoooooooooooo I'm all excited, that's what comes of having a boring lifestyle :dunce:

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Just to back up what OB said. Please don't ask Customer Services about this.

They don't know any more about this than has been released to the public, and if everyone floods the CS phone lines asking about the upgrade date, you may actually stop people with legitimate problems getting through.

You'll get the upgrade when it's ready and not before.

Just to re-iterate: Please don't ask Customer Services about this.

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I'm worried about the unlimited download charges. How expensive will they be:disturbd:

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Can anyone techy hazard a guess at what the uploads will be? What would be required to make a 10mb pipe work? orm could they do it without increasing the upload?

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Just wondering, do you think it will be a secret increase like the last one? :rolleyes:
If it hadn't been for the "Bloke in the Pub" letting the cat out of the bag I could have easily missed a few weeks of 3Mb. :dozey:

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:sniper: :sniper: :sniper: :sniper: waits for the "we're not happy" brigade to start finding problems with this excellent news.

Oooops, one or two slipped through already. :)

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If there is an unlimited option (all guesswork at the moment) then surely there is no download charges (other than the set monthly fee) ?

I'd hope things stay as they are now - those on the top 3 meg tier can occasionally go over the top with no penalty.

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A faster connection will not encourage me to download more at all, so what's the problem? I'll just appreciate quicker download and online gaming responses.

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Well, we carried news of the 3 Meg upgrade, and it certainly wasn't from the bloke in the pub.... It was from NTL themselves..

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Same here.

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True but if I hadn't have been an active CFer I wouldn't have known, wouldn't have called NTL, wouldn't have got my upgrade there and then instead of weeks/months later. So thanks for that :)

I can't see anything bad to say about this move, assuming there is no degradation of reliability as a result (my email can still be a bit iffy). I'm coming around to the fact that NTL is getting its act together. Which is nice.

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Probably the finer points still have to be decided, shareholders won't be interested in those, all they will see is Simon Duffy waving the 10Mb/s flag at todays meeting.
They did say they would have something for everyone, ntl isn't just for Christmas you know, although I keep looking out to see if it's snowing.
Happy days are here again, come on everyone join in.

News item:
Tony Blair is to stand down to make way for ........... Simon Duffy.

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Yeh but the "Bloke in the Pub" was the only source with the date spot on. He must be Simon Duffy, probably seeing how the other half live, and Oldham's the place for that :D

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so increase to 10meg but lower cap ratio - unless you are going for more expensive uncapped (unconfirmed) tier?

3meg=30gig
10meg=75gig when is should be nearer 100gig?

not that i'm too bothered anyway, but just wondering why such a low cap (if implemented)

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But surely the ratio doesn't enter into it seeing as it's a free upgrade.
So long as we get more of everything for nothing we have to be on a winner.
At least new customers won't get first bite of the apple this time, or will they? :erm:

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A little bit more including 20mbit trials currently underway at http://www.ntl.com/mediacentre/press/display.asp?id=797
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Apparantly a turbo button is to be introduced to temporarily speed up your connection.

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75gig/month transfer allowance as standard? Nice :)

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Any1 know when this will be happenin?

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Betcha people still complain about it though. :rolleyes:

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Not sute if it's been posted already but here's ntls press release.

oops - just noticed it in the forums news section :dunce:

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According to the Press Release, the upgrade will happen by the end of this year for existing 3Mb customers, and during next year (2006) for current 1Mb and 2Mb customers.

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There are a couple at it already.

As I've posted on a similar forum, I still havent upgraded from 300Kb, not because I'm worried about caps but because I'm a lazy sod at heart and the threefold increase didn't seem like much. A thirtyfold increase however...

First post, first typo :)

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End of this year.....nothin to get excited over then....still half a year to wait.

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The BBC is now reporting it:- http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4749987.stm

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You sure it wasn't from the NTL employee drunk in the pub ;)

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I can already see how this server gonna cope with all the ppl refreshing and posting whether they got it or not or could any NTL employee look at their MAC addy and upgrade it straightaway ;) I think the Mods should be preparing for it now.

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I picked the right time to leave the company then ;)

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Anyone thinking of upgrading to 3MB to be "first in line" for this? *prepares to beg wife*

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:welcome: to CableForum scone2.

I'm alright. Already on 3 Meg.. :D

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So there's a 75gb limit for £37.99. Any ideas how much lower it will be on the £24.99 tier? Bearing in mind UKonline offer 500gb a month for £29.99 I hope it doesn't turn out too low.

(Cue angry people shouting about comparing to another ISP)

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You can't really though. Due to NTL insisting you have a phone with your TV, you can never look at the three in total isolation. I wouldn't mind Digital TV with NTL, but I don't want their phone and object to being forced to have pay for a phone service I will never use, so they lose out on my TV custom.

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I look forward to seeing more detail from NTL on their proposed packages/pricing structures.

They have to be commended for moving to 10MBit ahead of the pack and they have now thrown down the guantlet to ADSL ISPs and providers, who I beleive will be unable to respond until such time as ADSL2 is widely deployed.

For the first time in a long time I have to say "Well done NTL."

*EEK don't beleive I just said that :)

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As there is no charge if you don't use it and no set up charge it's a transparent cost. You get a box on the wall to use or not at your choice. Admittedly the cost is bundled into the TV package, but as it can't be unbundled I can't see what difference it makes, unless another package with a different telco is cheaper.

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Erm, that's like saying you can get a free pack of crisps when you buy a can of fizzy drink from your corner shop... except the price of the can is £1, whereas the can on it's own at your supermarket is only 50p. If you don't want the crisps, do you still buy the more expensive drink? :rolleyes:

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All I can say is excellent move NTL :D :tu:

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I don't understand why anyone wouldn't want the phone service.It's been far more reliable than BT ever were.In fact I only wanted the phone but had to have the full DTV to get it. :rolleyes:

Oh well I guess I'd better upgrade from 300k to 1MB then. ;)

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Obviously, that's why you can't order the TV service without adding a £10.50 telephone service then eh?
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Well, I'd like caller ID, but NTL can't provide me with that. Plus, I've never had a fault with my BT line.....other than the fault caused by NTL cocking up the transfer back to BT. ;)

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No, it's saying if you can find a cable/satelite service for less than ntl then fine, but the bundled cost is irrelevant as it can't be unbundled. If the example was a packet of crips and a can of pop for £1 it only becomes an issue if anyone else is selling the can for less because the shop , in this case, isn't selling them seperatley.

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?? You don't have to have DTV to get a phone line only... :confused:

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Sounds good.

75GB a month is nice. Shouldn't have to worry about my, erm... Linux distros so much... anymore.:disturbd:

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Yes, because its ****! I never had a '30gb' cap then, heres hoping to I don't know or the bill is going to look like the days of dial-up.

Anyway, heres to hoping 'the bloke in the pub' slips up some more ;)

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So, if every car manufacturer suddenly decided to group together and insist you bought a caravan with each car and pay £5k more, you'd wouldn't think that stupid? You could argue, I have a house, I use hotels when I go on holiday, but you'd still have to buy the caravan. The logic doesn't stand up.

NTL will give you their phone service on it's own, their broadband on it's own, but not the TV service. I'm pretty sure they are missing out on customers here. I don't want the phone. It's no use you arguing I should take the phone, the cost is hidden, because I know it's there. I have a BT line for ADSL which I don't really use except for incoming calls only, because I use my mobile for calling out. Maybe one day they will get rid of this stupid idea and I can start handing £40 over to them, until then, I'll settle for freeview.

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No, the issue is that you are forced to buy one item because you actually want another completely different item that the vendor is selling.

Other industries are legally prevented from doing this - you don't have to buy insurance from your mortgage provider, nor rely on printer cartridges from your printer manufacturer, etc... Personally I'd like to see the Fair Trade Commission investigate this. Just because NTL refuse to unbundle them does not make it irrelevant.

However, this is going off topic, so maybe we would be better discussing this in a separate thread.
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Nice analogy, Charlie_Bubble :tu:

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The FTC have had years to comment on the bundled servicesand they haven't. There's nothing to investiagte. ntl own their network and can do with it as they see fit.

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I would imagine NTL insist on you having the phone line with TV is so that they can offer free installation. If they were to offer free installation with just TV and kept the package prices the same as Sky they would lose money on every customer who decided to end their TV contract after the initial 12 month period. There is far less profit on TV than there is on phone and broadband (taking the BB abusers out of the equation).

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Agreed.


People, the topic is NTL's speed increase to 10Mb. Can we stick to it?

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Speeds any faster will require the coax cable to each house to be replaced with fibre cable as coax can only cope with speeds up to 12mbps.

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why cant people open new threads if they want to discuss other issues such as unbundling etc - I'm coming to this thread to see if there's more breaking news on the 10m subject but having to wade through lots of unconnected discussion.

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That is so wrong it's just not funny. Mods please delete this? :)

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:-) that's funny, I was thinking the same thing!! There's just so many to choose from, and I keep losing those pesky DVD's....

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You sure? According to that link, NTL appear to think that they can squeeze up to 50 Mb from the cable network using DOCSIS 3. And, I suspect, as more efficient encoding methods are introduced, the network will have the bandwidth available to surpass that..


:welcome: to CableForum BTW.

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VDSL is yet another option amongst many.

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Why delete it?
I'm interested to know what the actual capacity of the infrastructure is, would you like to explain why you think it's wrong?

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any mention of a cost or if the cap is a hard limit one?

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Certainly, cable downstreams are a broadcast architecture, that bit of coax is simulataneously carrying 27+Mbit of DOCSIS traffic, even if some of it is padded empty frames, along with all the DTV, analogue, and out of band.

Existing ntl network build specs up to 860MHz, with the range between 5 and 65MHz being used for upstream traffic, that leaves after a guard band of 20MHz the 85-860MHz band to be used for downstream cable traffic.

At nominal 64QAM 6 bits per symbol and assuming a symbol rate of 0.8Megasymbols/MHz just for the sake of argument that gives 775 x 0.8 x 6 = 3.72Gbps capacity, this can be increased further through 256QAM, 8 bits/symbol.

That's just an approximation with regard to Msymbols/MHz, to illustrate.

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On one hand this news is great, and it's very exciting, the prospect of having 10mb, something that parts of Europe have had for years, and i've always been jealous of.

But, on the other hand i'm really not sure that very many of us could actually USE that much speed. 10mb will roughly be about 1250k/sec.

How many ntl customers could actually use up that much bandwidth? And if they do find things that take advantage of it, it's really going to bugger up any ideas of a low cap. If people start using things like streaming live tv, concerts, online dvd rentals etc, they'll soon run out of useage for that month.

I'm not knocking it, i am excited about the upgrade, and i'll be on here like everyone else waiting for the details of when it starts, and how to jump the queue etc. But i just wonder in reality, will many of us actually get to use it in a way that we really experience a difference.

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I'm not knocking it either, but I'm really concerned about the Proxies, Poplar can't even handle 3 meg, what hope does it have with 10mb ?

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So when can I as a 300k cutomer get 10mb? and what will the cap be? 5gb/month? I'm sure it would be something ridiculous like it is on 1mb lol.

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Virtually all customers could use the 10 mbps and more if you think about it. Streaming tv such as live football matches and films may quickly use up your allowance but the cost of that extra bandwidth may be less than the cost of subscribing to watching the same football match or the cost of online renting of the film. NTL could make a range of events and films available online through something like broadband plus that you pay for in "over the cap" charges rather than not getting any profit out of third party online video rentals that would be the case if they had a much larger cap.

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Read the news article on the front page. ;)

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My take on it, (i'm sure i'll be corrected if wrong) by the end of 06 all will be on 10M, but each will have different levels or caps, you can buy higher bandwidths has you need it, i think. :shrug:

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hmmm, do we have to have this thread now for another two/three how ever long months :D...

Surly those of us on 3mbit are surfeing at pretty much flat out for web pages, they cant appear much quicker.. my 1 - 3mbit uprgrade was great, but this whilst I welcome it and look forward to using it for mutimedia etc... I can wait it will happen, it will be great when it does... just be cool :D

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Really am looking forward to this, I wonder if telewest top dogs had say in this as to ensure NTL have products to please telewest customers when merger happens.

I would expect a mass of people upgrading to top tier when the news hits of first batch of 3mbit getting the upgrades, and is there any indication that the 75 gig is still a soft cap or will be a hard cap? I am hoping it stays as a guideline that NTL only enforce when congestion occurs.

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According to the press releae you will get it sometime before the end of next year. We will have to wait for details to be released for further information so it's no use asking on here or by calling NTL customer services. Just keep an eye open on this site and you will be amongst the first to know. The current "cap" on the 1 mbps is quite sufficient for the majority of customers so cannot be called ridiculous. Same as with most things in life, if you want more, you pay more. :)

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Does anyone know what the upload speed will be?

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Unlimited packages at 10 meg mmmmmm poor giganews will not know whats hit them :D In the middle ages everybody used leeches as medication.Im a leech for medicinal purposes :D :D

All depends on pricing.Ive got 7 meg coming into the house and I do use it,5 meg pipe on one machine browsing newsgroups (not for linux distros btw im not gonna lie) 2 meg on another for browsing and gaming so in reality it wont make a huge difference to me,mind you 1.25 hours for a dvd5 download :drool:

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I think NTL having something else up their sleeve with this, possible streaming of TV channels, would be good for areas where no digital tv and can get digital channels over the net.

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Heres what I think would be nice - 5-10gb on bottom, 20-30 on middle, and nothing, 300gb or guideline for the top. Then everybodys happy, and they possibly get a load of people upgrading.

Those in the know - do you think the network as of now could cope with just all 3mb users moved up?

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If that happened I would upgrade to £37.99 and be fairly satisfied. For 75gig I would feel hard done by at £37.99 as I feel content amount is more important then burst speed. I dont think the middle tier will be below 30gig it will more likely be static or have a small rise so possible 30-40gig.

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Just a shame that NTL don't offer the same number and type of newsgroups that giganews do, eh ;)

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The 37.99 package should not have a cap at all. This would encourage the people on the 2 bottom speeds to upgrade and ntl wud b leeching in the money! If that happened they could also advertise 10mbit for 17.99 with a cap which noobs would be droolings over and i think that is the main reason for this....to attract new customers.

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Unless they can guarantee me a stable connection, I won't be one of them.

They couldn't before which is why I left. No point in 10Mbps if it doesn't work ;)

Indeed, and those people are capped at 75Gb anyway so unless they're desperate to download a particular piece of music or movie very fast, it's little benefit as the only other bonus to them is they can download more in a month... but they can't because of capping ;)

It would be of benefit for video streaming, but NTL already has VOD and that's done through DVB I believe, not broadband, and for DVD quality via MPEG-4 you only need half of the 10Mbps speed.

You can increase the speed between ISP and customer to whatever you like but there's always going to be a limited resource somewhere, and if they let everyone do P2P downloading at 10Mbps 24/7, it will be unsustainable and they have to do what most other ISPs are doing and traffic shape if they want to have uncapped packages.


No need for fibre to home. NTL have got the copper phone network which will support ADSL2+ and with distances to the equipment likely to be no more than between house and street cabinet, this means speeds up to 24Mbps without much extra investment. Future DSL technologies may increase this further, and the phone copper is a dedicated connection which avoids a load of unpleasant noise and reflection side effects you get with the local neighbourhood coax.

They could even do a combined system using coax and phone copper.

Fibre would mean a lot more investment as a lot of digging up would be required as well as new equipment.

Not sure what would be involved with DOCSIS3 though, but if it still uses coax, I'd be happier if they concentrate first on ensuring everyone has a solid stable signal rather than just dumping a modem on the customer and saying "tough" effectively if it doesn't work.



The big question though is what the upstream will be.

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Incorrect - the USB port is 11Mb and older boxes with only 10Mb ethernet have issues, but modern CMs and STBs with 100Mb ports can theoretically go up to whatever EuroDOCSIS spec is valid for 256QAM downstream channels, which is 52Mbps or so, or a bit less with overheads taken into account. I'm not sure any modems would be particularly reliable at such a rate, however.

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The benefit gained depends on the usage style. For people who generally web browse and read email they will notice nothing, people using p2p may notice a improvement but I doubt they will be bursting upto 10mbit, the upload bandwidth on p2p comes from other residental users and is shared amongst many leechers. People who are most likely to see nice download speeds are when downloading files of big sites like microsoft and bbc, downloading of 100mbit+ ftp's inside the eu, (transatlantic is normally 5mbit per download thread or 0.25mbit on some backbones), newsgroup servers, and home's that have multiple users.

One thing that I havent posted about yet, is the timeframe NTL have put together for this, I have heard of a few ntl bod's already that they have apperently prepared for this and are good to go, then I have to ask why is it schedule for end of 2005 for the first set of people and then the rest spread out until the end of 2006. That is a 12 month timespan quite a long time for someone who is supposed to be preprepared and is a possible 18 months since the PR announcement. I remember when my area got upgraded but it was very congested before the resegmentation and I assumed the upgrade wasnt for a future service but to solve the congestion caused by the at the time 1.5mbit upgrade. I dont want to be negative but I have a concern that if high latency occurs due to local congestion on the ubr will NTL upgrade it again to resolve it.

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:rofl::rofl: That has made my day.

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It's all very interesting, but I have to say that increasing from 600k to 2mb has given me a 80% increase in satisfaction with the service. But going from 2mb to 10mb may only give me a 20% satisfaction. The only real benefit is downloading large files faster.

I don't think I would pay any extra for higherspeed or uncapped downloads.

Before NTL get into this I really would prefer to see some big advances in the TV service, namely, HiDef and PVR, both of which I would pay extra for in the blink of an eye.

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I would imagine this is a commercial decision to ensure that they can stay ahead in the game. With ADSL2 round the corner they need to be able to upgrade at short notice. Also they will have scored points by going to 10MB rather than ADSL's 8mb. They have probably announced the upgrade for the 3MB customers first to preserve the revenue stream until the upgrade. Otherwise people may downgrade first.

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Its always so refreshing when someone can have the balls to say it as it is. Instead of hiding behind the Linux distro scam :) :LOL:

Nice one zingle have a greeny :tu:

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i dont think 75GB is enough, i know the upgrades wont cost more if you choose the capped services, but us NTL customers should atleast have got 150GB, thats more than ample.

i casually predict that an unlimited sevice will cost £69.99 per month.

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£70?!!? !? r u mad? I will be leavin them if its 70 quid!

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Id pay that if it was stable.Im paying £54 now in total and ukonline drops every night so I would happily pay £70

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£70 for consumer broadband is a bit over the top...any sane marketer won't put it above 50.

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Ok time for some serious cr*p cutting

Anyone wanting an unlimited account at 10 meg is a leech. Chances are they sell dvd's (I disclaim that im not refering to me) and chances are they dont sell them cheap so £70 plus say £15 for giganews so its £85 for something that will earn the pirates £100's is not a bad outlay

also those that are not pirates downloading say 100 gig of whatever can easily have £250 worth of dvds £1,000 + worth of music cds or rediculasly stupid amounts of software worth god knows

I do not condone this but lets be straight and not full of poop its why people want unlimited

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They should have the top teer being £40 unlimited. Capped Broadband is not the way to go....especially of they wanna do streamin tv. You would reach a 75GB cap in a day of streaming at full 10mbit.

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http://www.ntl.com/mediacentre/press/display.asp?id=797

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I used to pay more than that for 28k dial-up some years ago and that was when it took a fair bit longer to earn a £1. There are a lot of people out there who can afford to pay that amount and would pay it for a 10Mb uncapped service. There are many places that are cabled where you can't get above 2Mb ADSL and £70 isn't a lot if three house sharers are sharing the bill. They wouldn't make a 10Mb uncapped service so cheap that everyone flocked onto it.

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This maybe true....but wots to say that they actually sell it on and not use it for their own personal use?

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nope but NTL have to make money and bandwidth is not cheap (so they say)

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PURCHASE??!!

So the modem will be mine if an upgrade is required? does this mean that NTL are bringing back reductions for those that own their modems?
I thought that the price we paid included the RENTAL of the modem??

I'm not bothered by the increase in speed in all honesty, I'm not sure I can see the point in having 10mb connection if it has a 75Gb limit, i'd be worried about hitting it unless NTL bring in a traffic shaping option where I drop to a slower speed when / if I hit the "cap". I CERTAINLY don't want to be charged per Mb or per Gb for going over and have to "clock watch" like the bad old days.

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thats irrelevent complaining about paying £70 outlay for vastly more value of product.Thinks its called Greed

For all we know they might want £100 for unlimited no one knows yet

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Nah think you'll find it's called being stingy. Not unlike the people who leech loads on 1Mbit because they are too cheap to pay out for 2 or 3 ;)

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i dont think anyone should be calling people greedy if they want 10mbit with unlimited usage if it is £69.99 a month, you get what you pay for.

however you use it that should be up to you and is in the users hands.

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I never said that I said complaining about paying £70 for vastly more value in product is greedy,not people wanting it

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I havent read the whole thread as I havent got long left online here in the internet cafe, but it is great news about this speed increase.

I do wonder however if the CAP will be increased for customors on the 1mb package will blow that away in no time. Anyone know ?

Its good news as here in France there are some companies offering up to 20mb connections so its about time we stepped up the speed.

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Its not greed at all....Seriously, what is the point in having a 10mbit connection when u can only use it for a day or 2 at nice speed? (the nice speed could come from streaming tv and not downloading illegal software). So after a day of good quality tv....They put you down to a lower speed because u reached the cap and therefore you get rubbish quality tv streaming? NO THANKS! :mad:

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it is pricey but it depends on what people are prepared to pay for an unlimited service, if there is demand for it, as ive said 75GB maybe insufficient for some on a 10mbit service.

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It wont be long before the tv companies are broadcasting HDTv. If you want the product you have to pay the cash. I think streaming tv will be subscription anyway an not subject to a cap if you buy it off NTL.Why is it that people moan about the costs even though there not known its crazy.
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exactlly if its tiered then people will choose whats best for them ,if they want unlimited they will have to pay and rightly so

I use loads but im prepared to pay at present its costing me 54 quid for what I want, ill pay more if I need and you wont hear me complain

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That's a good question.... :erm:

Taken from the front page as I am beginning to wonder if some people have actually read it........ :D

ntl has confirmed its strategy for the delivery of next generation cable broadband services. A press release informs us, the aim is to make 10Mb its standard broadband access speed. Broadband customers will be able to choose a 10Mb service with a usage allowance to match their requirements. ntl will also offer a choice of broadband services with unlimited usage.

New broadband portfolio

The new product strategy creates a set of †œup to 10Mb as standardââ‚à ƒâ€šÃ‚¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ÂÂ� cable broadband products with different bandwidth options to match usage plus a series of unlimited products at different speeds.

For the first time, a customer will be able to match speed, usage allowance and price to their individual needs. A new broadband user will be able to enjoy the same 10Mb speed as an experienced surfer and as their online expertise grows, simply move up to a higher allowance. Tools will be provided to allow customers to track their usage.

The first home surfers in the UK to enjoy speeds of up to 10Mb will be ntlââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢s current 3Mb Broadband customers. ntl will provide them with more speed and greater usage, at no extra cost per month. By the end of this year they will have a connection of up to 10Mb, while their usage allowance will increase from 30GB to 75GB per month.

†œOur broadband services will become amongst the most innovative in the world and certainly well ahead of anything else in the UK,ââ‚Âà ‚¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ÂÂ� said Simon Duffy, Chief Executive Officer of ntl. †œThis is a major step towards delivering Britainââ‚à ‚¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s digital future.ââ‚à ‚¬Ã‚ÂÂÂ�

By the end of 2006, the roll out of this new product portfolio will be complete. There are no plans to change monthly prices. However, some customers will need to upgrade their modem. Further details will be announced at launch.

Even higher speeds to come for cable customers

Moving customers to a 10Mb Broadband service is part of a wider progression towards services with even higher speed and greater bandwidth. ntlââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢s fibre-rich network means that broadband speeds of between 30Mb and 50Mb are possible through DOCSIS 3.0 (cable) or ADSL 2+ (copper). ntl has the flexibility in its dual local network to offer this type of connection in the future.