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Maggy 05-08-2005 13:46
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Damn! A break question even I could answer

Bifta 05-08-2005 13:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Graham
Ok, here's the results:

1) Bifta
2) Raistlin
3) Incognitas
4) MetaWraith
5) Bifta
6) MetaWraith
7) gazzae
8) Bifta
9) Bifta
10) Angua
11) gazzae
12) Bifta
13) Bifta
14) Raistlin (bonus for gazzae)
15) MetaWraith
16) Angua
17) MetaWraith
18) MetaWraith
19) homealone
20) Bifta
21) Angua
22) Incognitas
23) homealone
24) MetaWraith
25) MetaWraith

7 - Bifta
7 - MetaWraith
3 - Angua
2 - gazzae (plus a bonus)
2 - Raistlin
2 - Incognitas
2 - homealone

We seem to have a tie for first place, and neither of them tripped a booby trap, so here's a tie break question *ONLY* for MetaWraith and Bifta - first right answer gets the winââ‚Âà ‚¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¦

TIE BREAK - What was the name of the stone that Jean-FranÃÃâ€*’§ois Champollion deciphered that helped discover the meanings of Egyptian Hieroglyphs?
Rosetta stone?

MetaWraith 05-08-2005 13:47
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rosetta stone

Graham 05-08-2005 13:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bifta
TIE BREAK - What was the name of the stone that Jean-FranÃÃâ€*’§ois Champollion deciphered that helped discover the meanings of Egyptian Hieroglyphs?
Rosetta stone?[/QUOTE]

CONGRATULATIONS! WINNER!!! :cleader: :cleader: :cleader:
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MetaWraith
rosetta stone
Missed it by a fraction! :bigcry:

ian@huth 05-08-2005 13:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ian@huth
14 there was somethong on a break in a cricket match the other day when they were saying you could get 5 penalty extras for tampering with the ball but I thought you only got a warning for this.
Wasn't that the first valid answer to the question? :mad:

Graham 05-08-2005 13:49
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Originally Posted by Incognitas
I'd rather have the oompa loompa's.
I believe you can get treatment for that :D

MetaWraith 05-08-2005 13:49
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WTG Bifta :)

Graham 05-08-2005 13:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ian@huth
Quote:
Originally Posted by ian@huth
14 there was somethong on a break in a cricket match the other day when they were saying you could get 5 penalty extras for tampering with the ball but I thought you only got a warning for this.
Wasn't that the first valid answer to the question? :mad:
gazzae did get in first with his "throwing your hat at the ball" answer which is why he got the bonus, but I was looking for "ball striking a helmet left on the field" which AFAICS is the only one that's mandatory.
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Congratulations to everyone, it's Bifta's turn next week... :)

ian@huth 05-08-2005 13:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Graham
gazzae did get in first with his "throwing your hat at the ball" answer which is why he got the bonus, but I was looking for "ball striking a helmet left on the field" which AFAICS is the only one that's mandatory.
Fairy Nuff but you didn't ask for the only mandatory reason. Gazzae should get the point then rather than a bonus point as he gave a correct valid answer. :)

MetaWraith 05-08-2005 14:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ian@huth
Fairy Nuff but you didn't ask for the only mandatory reason. Gazzae should get the point then rather than a bonus point as he gave a correct valid answer. :)
In any quiz show its the answer on the quiz masters answer sheet that we need to guess. Any others accepted are discretionary. Heck we did well in that Graham was willing to do a search during the quiz and found other possibilities and awarded a bonus point.

ian@huth 05-08-2005 14:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MetaWraith
In any quiz show its the answer on the quiz masters answer sheet that we need to guess. Any others accepted are discretionary. Heck we did well in that Graham was willing to do a search during the quiz and found other possibilities and awarded a bonus point.
The quiz master should ensure that his questions are worded in such a way that the only possible answer is the answer he has got on his sheet. There have been many instances of quiz shows on TV where a contestant has been brought back because they gave a different answer to the one on the quiz masters sheet but it was later found that their answer was also correct. An answer is either right or wrong, not right but not what I am looking for.

gazzae 05-08-2005 14:22
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EEK, didn't mean to cause an argument.

I looked up more info, what Graham said is right, only the ball hitting the wicket keepers helmet, while it is left on the ground, is a mandatory five penalty extras. With the others the umpire has the ability to award a five run penalty against them but he uses this at his discretion.

Raistlin 05-08-2005 14:28
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Okaaaay:

The orginal question:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Graham
What must happen in a game of cricket for the batting side to be awarded 5 extras off one ball?
So, we work backwards to find the answer.

We've heard about 5 different answers to this all of which could result in the batting side being awarded 5 extras off one ball. But Graham asked what "must" happen.

If we work backwards from the result, the only thing which could have happened which would definitely result in the 5 extras would be the ball hitting the keppers hemlmet (I'll say it again :Yikes: ), as that's the only certain event that leads to the result it must be the event in question otherwise we can't say that it must have happened.

Ergo, there is only one possible answer to that question, given the way that it was phrased.

Now.....if the question had been:

"What could happen in a game of cricket cricket for the batting side to be awarded 5 extras off of one ball"

.....

ian@huth 05-08-2005 14:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Raistlin
Okaaaay:

The orginal question:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Graham
What must happen in a game of cricket for the batting side to be awarded 5 extras off one ball?
So, we work backwards to find the answer.

We've heard about 5 different answers to this all of which could result in the batting side being awarded 5 extras off one ball. But Graham asked what "must" happen.

If we work backwards from the result, the only thing which could have happened which would definitely result in the 5 extras would be the ball hitting the keppers hemlmet (I'll say it again :Yikes: ), as that's the only certain event that leads to the result it must be the event in question otherwise we can't say that it must have happened.

Ergo, there is only one possible answer to that question, given the way that it was phrased.

Now.....if the question had been:

"What could happen in a game of cricket cricket for the batting side to be awarded 5 extras off of one ball"

.....
The word "must" implies that it is the "only" way which is obviously not the case. In the case of the only 5 extras in a match being the award of 5 penalty extras for something like tampering with the ball then it is obvious that the use of the word "must" is wrong. Whether you word the question with "must", "could", "can" or whatever you end up with a list of possibilities all of which are equally correct.

To be guaranteed that the only correct answer was the one that Graham thought it could be would be to ask the question
Quote:
What must happen in a game of cricket for the batting side to be guaranteed the award of 5 extras off one ball?
Thinking about it a bit more the only correct answer to the question asked as it was would be "any one of the following things must have happened" followed by a list of ALL the possibilities. Only giving one of the reasons or part of the reasons means you cannot use the qualifying "must".

Angua 05-08-2005 16:43
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Bit late but well done Bifta.[img]Download Failed (1)[/img][img]Download Failed (1)[/img]

Am chuffed with my 3 as I had to shoot off to hospital at 1.15 to get my daughters kidneys scanned, (all OK):cleader::woot:

Graham 05-08-2005 18:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ian@huth
Quote:
Originally Posted by MetaWraith
In any quiz show its the answer on the quiz masters answer sheet that we need to guess. Any others accepted are discretionary. Heck we did well in that Graham was willing to do a search during the quiz and found other possibilities and awarded a bonus point.
The quiz master should ensure that his questions are worded in such a way that the only possible answer is the answer he has got on his sheet.
I would point out that I very much *do* attempt to ensure this!

Especially if I'm putting in "booby trap" questions I look carefully at the wording to make certain that the "trap" goes off properly (eg the "how many *fighting* men did a Roman Centurion command" question)

The fact that I was willing to check and award a bonus point because someone picked up something I missed shows that I'm not going to be bloody minded and insist on *only* what I've got "on the sheet" as the right answer.

Quote:
There have been many instances of quiz shows on TV where a contestant has been brought back because they gave a different answer to the one on the quiz masters sheet but it was later found that their answer was also correct.
I'd be interested to see where you get this "many" from.

Even if I were inclined to change the result on that question, it's not going to make a difference to the final result and, as I said, gazzae did get in first which is why I gave him the bonus.

There was, of course, the situation on University Challenge where one of the team members took Jeremy Paxton to task on a Picture Round because the picture was the Oak Leaf emblem of the National Trust but he had asked "What is it?" to which she replied "It's an oak leaf" which was correct according to what he'd asked, but not in the context of the question.

http://users.ox.ac.uk/~quiz/news/19-09-99.html

:D

Angua 11-08-2005 23:59
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So Bifta, [img]Download Failed (1)[/img] what time will the quiz be on Friday? [img]Download Failed (1)[/img]

Graham 12-08-2005 12:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Angua
Well if he ain't online in the next 5 minutes it's not going to be a 1pm quiz! :(

Bifta 12-08-2005 13:00
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Snowed under at work atm :(

Graham 12-08-2005 13:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bifta
Snowed under at work atm :(
So will it be an evening quiz...?

Bifta 12-08-2005 13:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Graham
So will it be an evening quiz...?
I wouldn't like to commit to that, Friday night and all. Perhaps someone else could jump in at the last minute this week in my place?

Graham 12-08-2005 13:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bifta
Quote:
Originally Posted by Graham
So will it be an evening quiz...?
I wouldn't like to commit to that, Friday night and all. Perhaps someone else could jump in at the last minute this week in my place?
Well not me, I don't have a quiz ready to go.

Dave Stones 12-08-2005 13:12
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i would, but we all remember what happened last time i ran a quiz :erm:

danielf 12-08-2005 13:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Stones
i would, but we all remember what happened last time i ran a quiz :erm:

All the more reason to have one. Go on then! :tu:

Angua 12-08-2005 13:39
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As long as we know the time, we will be prepared.

Maggy 12-08-2005 19:06
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Well it's 1905 so I'm assuming that is that for the Friday Quiz...Bring back Nemmy as Quizmaster.. :)

MetaWraith 12-08-2005 20:34
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If there is enough call for it I can whomp one up pretty quick.
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okay I have a 20 question quiz ready to roll.
Are there any victims,
errr make that players willing to participate?
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Okay since no victims enlisted, not even Graham, who i see is online right now I wont bother hosting it. Oh well c'est la vie. At least I have one ready now.

Graham 12-08-2005 20:38
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Originally Posted by MetaWraith
Okay since no victims enlisted, not even Graham, who i see is online right now I wont bother hosting it. Oh well c'est la vie. At least I have one ready now.
Err, hello? Sorry I was dealing with messages in other threads!

I think it's a bit short notice for a quiz now, you could run it eg tomorrow or save it for the next time you need one.

Monster Jedi 12-08-2005 20:46
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Bring back Dave stones he rocks. I'll just get my hat;) :Sprint:

danielf 19-08-2005 10:36
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Will there be a quiz today then?

Angua 19-08-2005 10:52
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I would be interested too

Maggy 19-08-2005 12:13
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But who will be organising it?It should be Bifta but...

I think we need a REGULAR quizmaster.This leaving it to the winner of the last quiz is too hit and miss.It's something that we've got it on Fridays but we need someone to commit to it properly.

Just my :2cents:

Nugget 19-08-2005 12:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Incognitas
But who will be organising it?It should be Bifta but...

I think we need a REGULAR quizmaster.This leaving it to the winner of the last quiz is too hit and miss.It's something that we've got it on Fridays but we need someone to commit to it properly.

Just my :2cents:
I trust you're not refering to anybody specific there Coggy ;) :p:

Bifta 19-08-2005 12:22
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It's not gonna be Bifta, sorry.

Angua 19-08-2005 12:26
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So any offers anyone?

Maggy 19-08-2005 12:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nugget
I trust you're not refering to anybody specific there Coggy ;) :p:
No.I'm just trying to get someone to commit to taking it on full time through thick and thin,rain and shine,flack and bad losing...you get the picture... ;)

I would but I can't be here every Friday afternoon during term time.In fact I'm just as likely to forget as anyone else judging by the number of times I have missed it since June. :D

Nugget 19-08-2005 13:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Incognitas
No.I'm just trying to get someone to commit to taking it on full time through thick and thin,rain and shine,flack and bad losing...you get the picture... ;)
Well, that's alright then :disturbd:

Graham 19-08-2005 13:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Angua
So any offers anyone?
Not me. I still don't have enough questions to run a worthwhile quiz.

And that would be the problem with being a "regular quiz master", in that I can usually come up with enough questions to run it on alternate weeks, but one a week wouldn't be possible (and frankly I'm amazed that Nemesis ever managed this unless there was a well thumbed quiz question book somewhere in the background!)

Personally I like the "last winner sets the quiz" because it allows for variety in style and question types.

danielf 19-08-2005 13:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Graham

Personally I like the "last winner sets the quiz" because it allows for variety in style and question types.
I'll second that.

Graham 19-08-2005 13:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by danielf
Quote:
Originally Posted by Graham

Personally I like the "last winner sets the quiz" because it allows for variety in style and question types.
I'll second that.
Besides that, I'm going to be on holiday next Friday, so I was planning on PMing my replies in to whoever set today's quiz to let me participate without letting people down by not being able to post one next week :)

Maggy 19-08-2005 13:07
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Graham
Not me. I still don't have enough questions to run a worthwhile quiz.

And that would be the problem with being a "regular quiz master", in that I can usually come up with enough questions to run it on alternate weeks, but one a week wouldn't be possible (and frankly I'm amazed that Nemesis ever managed this unless there was a well thumbed quiz question book somewhere in the background!)

Personally I like the "last winner sets the quiz" because it allows for variety in style and question types.
Yes but that method means we have missed a quiz two weeks running..and now I suspect that unless someone volunteers we will have no quiz next week. :shrug:

danielf 19-08-2005 13:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Incognitas
Yes but that method means we have missed a quiz two weeks running..and now I suspect that unless someone volunteers we will have no quiz next week. :shrug:
I suppose there still is a chance that Bifta might do one next Friday (or at some other day of the week if that suits him better). I got the impression last week that he did have a quiz, but didn't have the time to run it.

MetaWraith 19-08-2005 13:24
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As stated back in post 127 i have a quiz ready to roll,
but as usual wont be able to host it until 6:30pm tonight.

If I was to host it, would there be any victims, errrrrrr willing participants. :)

danielf 19-08-2005 13:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MetaWraith
As stated back in post 127 i have a quiz ready to roll,
but as usual wont be able to host it until 6:30pm tonight.

If I was to host it, would there be any victims, errrrrrr willing participants. :)
Evenings can be a bit tricky for me, but I would if I have time.

MetaWraith 19-08-2005 13:36
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I guess i could host from 6:00, but was giving more time for people to get in work and do whatever, eg cook dinner, throw cat out, get changed, fix the first martini of the weekend etc

danielf 19-08-2005 13:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MetaWraith
I guess i could host from 6:00, but was giving more time for people to get in work and do whatever, eg cook dinner, throw cat out, get changed, fix the first martini of the weekend etc
I agree, 6:00 will probably be a bit early for many people.

Graham 19-08-2005 14:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MetaWraith
As stated back in post 127 i have a quiz ready to roll,
but as usual wont be able to host it until 6:30pm tonight.

If I was to host it, would there be any victims, errrrrrr willing participants. :)
I would probably participate (if I don't go swimming or go to the gym this evening) but I wouldn't be able to run next week's as mentioned.

Bifta 19-08-2005 14:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by danielf
I suppose there still is a chance that Bifta might do one next Friday (or at some other day of the week if that suits him better). I got the impression last week that he did have a quiz, but didn't have the time to run it.
I don't know where you got that impression, I don't have a quiz and I don't have time to run one and whoever came up with the stupid idea of the previous winner running the following weeks quiz needs stringing up. I say the winner should (as a reward for winning) be able to choose who he wants to land the thankless task on.

MetaWraith 19-08-2005 15:58
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so are there any takers for a 6:30 quiz or not ?

Angua 19-08-2005 17:43
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Yes please :tu::tu::tu::tu::tu::tu::tu::tu:

And I was hoping you would offer.

Thanks

cookie_365 19-08-2005 17:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MetaWraith
so are there any takers for a 6:30 quiz or not ?
Yep, up for that - I usually miss it :)

Chimaera 19-08-2005 17:51
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Yep - I reckon Paul and I will be about!

Angua 19-08-2005 18:32
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And.......................................?

MetaWraith 19-08-2005 18:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Angua
And.......................................?
see new thread

Graham 20-08-2005 01:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MetaWraith
so are there any takers for a 6:30 quiz or not ?
Sorry, I was busy :(


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