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The are people on here,myself included ,who work for NTL in whatever capacity (i'm a feild tech) who are aware of this post,i also put it up on NTL Hell where a few employees have been very interested in the fraudulent abuse by simpsonfan.
All i can say is,it's been looked into!
Spike

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/didn't think anyone used IE anymore... it's so easy to get your pc pwnd if you do...

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Shame that :angel: I know it got reported to AUP at least twice here. Maybe Mr FAN will learn a lesson from this.

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Be sure to keep us updated if you can :)

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Funny been using it for 6 years and still not got my pc pwned

firefox fanboy

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Well all the time I used IE neither did I. It IS a fact that at present, it is easier to use IE to pwn a PC than FF though.

And I take the FF fanboy remark as a compliment. FF and proud!

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*cough* off topic *cough*

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Agreed

If you wanna tell me how much my pc can be pwned because of IE then pm me

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For a start IEs dodgy activex implementation..

But, ah yes, this thread is for everyone to judge how bad I am, sorry, carry on;)..
-Chris

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You seem proud of your actions

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Not for long. :)

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So wish I could be across road seeing your face when NTL come to your door with a few questions.

I bet there won't be a grin then. :D

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There are SO many levels on which what you are doing IS bad.

I pity you that you can't see it - or don't care.

With luck NTL will catch up with you and sort you out.

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Sadly you will not get that satisfaction, NTL will just cut off his connection, then send a letter of pending prosecution, i would love to be in court on the day tho. :D

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Im sure it will make the local rag if he does go to court, i can see the headline now. Neighbour Rips of Pensioners.

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I would presume that the money he robs off the pensioners is declared to the IRS;)

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If this is true could this thread please be stickified for history :D

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I deserve rep for this :D
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Someone should email the sun with the url to this thread

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Nah the daily sport :naughty:

Ahem.

:)

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You got it :dozey:

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Well the sun will print anything :D
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Please don't discuss reputation comments in the topic, Thanks. :)

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To put it another way,not only is simpsonfan stealing of the OAP's he is extorting,he is also stealing not just from NTL,but also the employees,like me,who rely on 'honest' customers to pay our wages.Not to mention the people who want cable in their area but because of thieves like him (and yes,thats all YOU are!!!) & others, NTL/Telewest.ect cant install cable services in these areas because of the lost revenue these theiving ******* create!
Spike

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Oh the shame......














....I misspelt necessary! :rolleyes:


Sorry Paul :angel:

Back on topic, it'd be nice to see what Ntl do about this mess :erm:

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:clap: :clap:

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Lets hope they do the right thing

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Indeed :tu:

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But will he prosecuted for defrauding his 'customers'?Or will he just get prosecuted for misusing his BB connection under the T&C's?Just what would he be found guilty of?

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I am sure its theft

He is selling a product that does not belong to him

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It's an inevitably emotive subject, although the thread now reminds me more of a witch hunt and is several pages of the same thing, pretty much telling the K-A P fan what a complete ***** he is.

Point of this is besides being a venting stream is?

Think we've already established it's wrong on so many levels, may well be worth just closing this thing :(

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Yes there is widespread concern being expressed, and there have been few recent on topic posts that continue to develop the thread. However there is a desire for the few who cannot post in a civil manner to not ruin things for the many, hence we will try to keep threads open as long as practical.

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I feel we should leave this open as it will keep people aware that such activites are illegal and who knows, some other couple being conned like has been conning may find this thread, and it could help them out.

End of the day CF was setup to help people.

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I am now recieving abuse emails that are being sent from a anonymous email. I think its because of this thread and i have a few ideas who it is

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You could try posting the message header so we can try and track them down.

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I don't really think this is the place to be discussing e-mails you may be receiving - I suggest you report them to hotmail. BTW - you left your e-mail address in the above headers, I have removed it for you. :)

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URGENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Guys!! check this out!!!
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/07..._driver_fined/
spike

With thanks to the poster on www.ntlhell.co.uk who's name i've forgotten!!!!!11

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But he only just got done? is this another case or same guy?

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Another case

I doubt NTL would let him back on after whats happened

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I don't know more likely I would guess a period time ban.

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Already being discussed at http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...hlight=driving, and it is another case. Our legal system does not work that fast.

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Sorry,Did'nt know but i thought it might be relevent.

PS,whats this opera browser like?I use Avant.
Spike

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:notopic:

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Well I for one hope NTL cut your connection simpsonsFAN, I also hope that they rip you to shreds in court :( Taking advantage of elderly people is inexcusable and shows just what sort of person you really are.
Angelus, if you are getting abusive mail I would report it to Hotmail as they may be able to track the IP address that it is originating from, if the IP address matches the one you think it is then that is another report to AUP.

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Its a strange one this.

Just read the whole thread.

He's not ripping off the pensioners as such.
He has told them for £10 a month they can share his connection and he will support them as much as he can.

Now yes T&C's say you must not share out of your house. What if you have a home office in an out building and a PC in the main house, thats acceptable but your still going to breach T&C's

He says neighbours, now if its wireless he's only gonna be realistically sharing with neighbours either side (and he did mention that he was only next door)
So what he has done is slightly enlarged his network, provided a hassle free connection for the pensioners and re-coups some of this initial outlay. Thats 3 PC's on one connection and within T&C's with the exception that its involving 2 other properties. Now to me thats NTL saying you cant do it because it screws them out of screwing others out of money. Not because of any affect it may have on the network.

I dont find too much wrong with that, I'm not certain that I find it acceptable but I'm not quite as against it as others, I know of lots of people that share with neighbours via wireless routers in lofts.

I dont think NTL will do too much, not in regards to this specific part, about his web hosting etc if it is indeed on his residential ntl connection maybe.

I doubt he will get more than a written warning.

And before I get flamed, I am not defending the guy just trying to look at it in a realistic way.

His charging £10 a month for internet access and unlimmited support is good I think, I know of shops that charge a £25 call out and then labour and parts on top. Talk about ripping of customers, well NTL is not going to offer them better by taking £10 a month and offering no onsite support is it?

Each to their own I guess.

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Charging someone for something they could get for themselves for a few £'s more? (not only that, but they would get dedicated ISP support) I call that a rip off.

Immoral & Illegal.

But that's not the case here, & so it's not relevant.

What happens when the OAP needs help & he's not around? & I weould guess he's more than recouping his outlay too.

One connection per household-simple-perhaps BT would be happy if one person had the free calls 24/7 option, & let all the neighbours (who didn't have BT lines at all) use it?

That doesn't make it right though.

I think you're wrong. ;)

See above.

Then be reasistic, & realise that he is trying to cover his BB costs at the expense of OAPs who know no better. :td:

And you think that's acceptable do you? :erm:

But they could get a basic 256k BB service from an ADSL provider for literally a few £'s more, & get proper support-not when Simpsonsfan is available.

Sorry-but there's no getting away from the fact that this is illegal & immoral, & I hope ntl take him to court.

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Also, if he is hosting a free images site on his own connection, there is no way the pensioners will get 256K speed from him..

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Thing is though, he isnt just supporting their connection, he's supporting everyhting they do on a PC. If you had a virus on your PC and couldnt remove it, how much would PC world charge?
If you wanted more ram how much do PC world charge to install it?

What I am saying is that he isnt really ripping customers off, he is offering something other than an internet connection for 10 quid a month.
Do NTL do on site support for PC's?
It would be impossible for the pensioners not to know what NTL charge, such is the advertising at the minute, My guess is that they are fully aware of what they could get but prefer this arrangement. Therefore he is not ripping them off.

As for my comments about the outbuilding, it was intended to show how easy it is to break T&C's and be doing somehting that is acceptable, therefore it IS relevant.
And no because other do it does not make it right, but we shouldnt be organising a witch hunt against someone that does whilst we are probably aware of others doing exactly the same.

The other thing that amazes me is that many people on here have condemend this guy for "illegal" activities, yet how many on here file share? How much of an effect does that have to other users, or is it a case of this is OK because everyone does it?

Yes he is WRONG. But what I was trying to say is that many of the accusations thrown at him about detrimental service to other people in the area are not realistic. I dont know exaclt whats going on re web hosting on his account, but if he wasnt charging £10 a month I doubt many people here would have batted an eyelid and regarded him as helping the elderly.

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You obviously didn't read the bit where he said "I give out my 3MB NTL Broadband connection to people at 10 pounds a month each, but I put them all on the lowest QoS bandwidth management setting my router has, so that way I can still use WinMX and surf digitalspy while my neighbours enjoy their supposed "broadband" internet."

Admittedly he said that on DigitalSpy, not on here, but we have quoted him in this thread more than once. Not only is he defrauding NTL by operating outside the terms and conditions of his service, he is defrauding the pensioners because he has clearly told them they are getting Broadband. The details of his setup however, shows otherwise.

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Not really, because if you were using your own BB connection in your own outhouse/garden via your own wireless connection, then you're breaking no T's & C's whatsoever.

So you see, it was irrelevant after all! ;)

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I give up, I'll go collect the firewood so we can burn him at the stake. Perhaps we could find some others and hound them out and have a bigger bonfire :rolleyes:


I only hope that everyone on here has never downloaded something illegally or allowed a file to be shared or done anything such as uncapping a modem (cough) because if you have you have no right to the moral high ground here.
I reckon theres people on here with more than 3 PC's sharing one connection, perhaps they should be burned at thge stake also? or is that OK because they arent making money from it or taking pensioners money?


I dont see what he has done as right, but I think theres more pressing issues we should be concerned about.
Personally I'm no angel, but I am NOT a hypocrite. (that is not aimed at everyone, just those people that know they break T&C's yet continue to presecute those others that do.

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Ok, following a letter on my doorstep this morning from the ntl internet security team:Yikes:, threating to cut off my connection in 7 days time if I dont stop running a business and selling broadband using my connection...

I have decided to move to a proper internet webhost, and will be reclaiming my wireless ethernet bridges during the day.

Hope your happy cableforum,
-Chris

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To clear up a misconception here. The simple act of reselling of a broadband connection is not illegal as such, after all there are many legal resellers of such services.

When reselling is against the terms and conditions of the ISP, then it is a breach of contract by the reseller. The ISP is thus entitled to cancel the cotnract, and seek damages if it wishes. That is a civil law matter.

The web hosting of "free" servers is also an area that would come under scrutiny within the Ts & Cs, as a breach of contract rather than criminal law.

The criminal illegality bit will depend on how the reselling of the connection has been stated. We do not know what has been said to the pensioners. If he is selling a "share" of his connnection, that could be a reasonable statement. If he is selling a minimum speed, or bandwidth, that would be far more risky.

Now the real debate kickc in as to if he is not entitled to resell, as that is against his contract, does the act of reselling count as fraud - I suppose yes. It's got to be a little bit like handling stolen goods, you are not entitled to the item so making money from it is theft. Whether it is that serious that one could argue the cost being sold are so high relative to what is on offer as to be a form of extortion, I doubt we can currently say. We don't know how many are on this connection. One or two sharers might not be bad but 10, must be?

OK so he is offering some form of support service to thise pensioners. Nothing wrong with that. Indeed if he wishes he is entitled to charge somethign for that service. Again the amount that is charged woudl be the aspect of scrutiny.

Finally there is the aspect of the income from this. It would be regarded as taxable, so if it is not declared it is a form of tax evasion. We don't know that this is or is not happening and it would be unreasonable for us to make any accusation without more facts. That many (in all walks of lfe) no doubt do look on little bits of extra income as their own without declaring it is irrelevant as any defence or justification.

So what should really have happened is that each has their own direct connection with an ISP and then a reasonable charge is levied for support services.

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Totaly irrelvent now, (read my other post above yours).
-Chris

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Quite happy thanks, Chris. We'll make an honest businessman of you yet. Now, if you could revisit your homepage and do something about your atrocious spelling and dubious punctuation, I'm sure you'll be a dotcom millionaire by teatime. Good luck. ;)

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Now lets look at ntl's AUP, and the breaches of it so far ...

Anyone else want to try and defend this ???

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As happy as you are ripping off OAPs.

I hope you sleep well, & I also wonder how you would feel if it were your parents/grandparents getting ripped off in some way?

You think? ;)

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Clearly not...
-Chris

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And now your pensioners lose their internet connection without warning...

I hope you give a truthful explanation of why you are closing down your mini isp, and i hope your pensioners demand a full refund of what they have paid you so far.

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Good point. Chris, are you going to help your victims to choose a proper ISP now, and help them set their PCs up? It's the least you should be doing. Or would it expose just how badly you were ripping them off when they hand just an extra fiver a month to someone else and suddenly discover what broadband speed is meant to look like?

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Fraid so, I have been given 7days to remove the lot by NTL home, and I intend to have it all back by the end of the day as im not going to loose my connection, or pay 89.99/month for 1.5mb NTL business broadband.

I will tell them exactly why I am closing down my "mini isp", and I will pay back this months broadband charges to them, but somehow I dont think they will be demanding full refunds off me.

Now, on a different subject.. What on earth am I going to do with 20 odd linksys wireless ethernet bridges and a spare email server?
-Chris

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Nice one NTL for such a quick response :tu: Shame they didn't just cancel the whole account forthwith, but still, better than nothing.

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Maybe sell them to your victims...err customers so they have them ready when NTL put there proper connection in :rolleyes:

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HAHA PARTY TIME WOOHOO

:dunce: :dunce: :cleader: :cleader:

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20? If that's the true extent of your little business empire you could afford to take NTL's business package and carry on reselling to your neighbours, except legally (presuming NTL allow this on business). Were you raking in £200 a month, or were you using multiple bridges to reach each customer?

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20 odd? :Yikes: Either a nice little earner or a load of BS. I cannot see anyone in their right mind who has 20 odd people paying him £10 month advertising the fact and risk losing that income.

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That is one hell of a profit he was making! :shocked:

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I believe he did wrong but i think he is upping the number to gloat

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I know which of the options I think it is ;) Sorry simpsonsFAN but in my opinion (which you can feel free to disagree with) you are a fool. By the way that's not a personal attack against you, it's just that I consider what you have done and how you have subsequently bragged about it to be rather foolish.

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And on that note, the 15 minutes is up.

Ding!