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A few of my pics :)

I need to download the new ones from the other day...... that show the silver CD-Roms, and montiors etc...
Edit :: BAlls, ill resize em

Ill download the others tonight (hopefully) and post them :)

(some pictures may not show straight away, they are uploading as we speak ;))
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http://www.i-websolutions.co.uk/Case/10.JPG
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Hey KP...............do you have anything to do with the running of the server here? :disturbd: :p:


Nice pics btw ...........'specially like the case colour :tu: :)

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Looks like someone got the same RAM as me. :D

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Flipping hell. How tall is that case Ramrod?

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Almost..... its just the 4000 version (i think i saw your post, and it said 3200)
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mmmm all my drives are silver (floppy and opticals) its a nice effect...

Ive got 2 more drives to put in it (at the bottom of those 4) and then cpu and graphics cards :) ill download the other pics tonight (if i get a chance) and will post em :)

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bluddy hell , you could run a mission to mars with these things , makes my new pc ( soon ) look very woeful indeed :bigcry: :bigcry:

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55cm :disturbd:

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I have just had a peek at the mobo manual :Yikes: .........Easy does it.....It's time to draw on the wisdom in my sig below :disturbd: :D
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Just been browsing the dewson sheds catalogue :disturbd: :D
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My pc will be just about normal but KP's is utterly insane :D

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i wonder if there will be an admission if the things wont boot :disturbd: :D :D :D

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Ramrod forgot the PSU :D :D

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Well If mine doesn't boot you wont see me on the forum for a very long time as I'll have been locked up for KP's murder (he's the one who finally convinced me to do this....along with his accomplice Nemmy) :D
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Shaddup! oops:

In my defence m'lud, I'd like to offer up the plea of temporary insanity.......I just spent £1600 on bits that may or may not work when put together .......still, life is an adventure :disturbd: :p:

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Which reminds me, with a rig like that, would a surge protector be a worthwhile investment?

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reps are on the way :D
I'll pick up a surge protector at the same time as I get a new keyboard......

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Get a personal UPS.... much better, cost you about £40 for an "okay" one (give you about 15 minutes of power on a rig like that) speak to kelly ;) and it will surge protect it, and shut it down for you in the event of a power failure ;) just incase your not around :D

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Some pics for comparison with KP's mobo

edit.....the aerial at the top left is for the onboard wifi :disturbd:
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Linky? :)

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Theyre gonna look lost in your case :D

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Don't most PSUs have built in surge protectors? I know mine does :erm:

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Thats the idea....I'm fed up with squeezing into a standard size case when I want to fiddle with something in it :)

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http://www.dabs.com/uk/Search2/Produ...archphrase=UPS


Will do the trick :)

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my friends didnt, according to the smoke that come out of it when lightening hit his streets transformer

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You sure :confused:

Never something i have noticed :erm:

Which PSU you running now?
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Why are you climibing into the case, and more questionable, why are you "fiddling"???

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What about the speakers - monitor - modem - router - printer?

I'd always have (And I do for my pc AND tv stuff downstairs) a good surge protector :)

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......and it's made by Belkin....I like Belkin :)
.......I wonder if Kelly is working tomorrow?

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Tagan 480W, has over voltage + power + current protection, and under voltage protection which is what surge protectors are arn't they?

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No, shes next in on tuesday...
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or is she having time off next week :S :S :S I cant remember, but i think Iddris is in ;)
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Cant find any info about those features :confused:

Best link i have found is this one

http://www.rackmountnet.com/ps/tagan/tg480u01.htm

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Outdated version. I can't seem to find the one I have, but it has more features than the website I bought it off originally had, but it says it in my manual :confused:

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Anyway surge protectors are usually useless after a strike - as they rightly commit suicide to protect the equipment.

Personally I'd rather just have to buy a new protector - than have to get and fit a new psu.

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Odd, www.tagan.com has the exact same info about the 480w PSU as that site i linked to.... You sure, and that you didnt read it somewhere else...... I hope your not running without a surge protector :Yikes: :disturbd: :disturbd: :disturbd:

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I always have my expensive stuff running off surge protectors, and always will ;)

I don't understand why my PSU has more features, for one it has 2 seperate GFX card connectors, one for AGP and one for PCI-E, and instead of 2 SATA connectors it has 4. More features added aswell, just can't get them off the top of my head :erm:

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2 GFX card connectors :S :S :S :S The card doesnt change power supply because its a different board, all the big beasty boys take the standard 4 pin (same as your CD-ROM) some dont even need it, so not sure what you mean by that (do you have a picture as an example so i can see the plugs?)

Your PSU, maybe just a different revision, and they havent bothered updating their site... some peeps are lazy like that... Those guys over at I-Web still havent updated their support page to reflect the new support center :shocked: :p: :dunce:

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Really stupid question time............I have twinned ram.............which slots do I put it in? Blue/blue or blue black? pic here

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As long as its in the same colour, makes no odds, i.e. put them into the blue ones, or put them into the black ones, dont put 1 into a blue one, and 1 into a black one as you wont get the full ability

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The one is just the standard 4 pin molex, but shielded and covered in rubber on it's own, and the same for the PCI-E one. The PCI-E one has 6-pins, shield and rubbered just like the 4-pin one.

I bet it is a new revision, because the connector to the motherboard has a "slider" to slide an extra 4-pin connector so it will plug into most server boards.

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Iddris?........pm me her number plz :nworthy:
Iddris.........don't they make 'Old Jamaica Ginger Ale'? :D
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Thats what I assumed, tnx :)

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A 6 pin for PCI-E :confused: :confused: :erm:

The Gefocre 6800 Ultrat PCI-E 256Mb have 4 pins..... my current Geforce FX5900 Ultra AGP has a 4pin...... you sure the 6pin is to provide power to a GFX card???? (im just trying to picture in my head) Didnt the old AT boards have 2 x 6 pin plugs??? :erm:
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Sending now :)

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Well it's classed as a GFX card power connector on the front of the box and in the manual, so I'm not mistaken :erm:

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Another question............
I am going to connect to the internet via a wireless router. Will there be any difference in my data transfer speed between the PC and router using the mobo's inbuilt LAN versus the mobo's inbuilt wifi connection (IEEE 802.11g 54Mbts/sec) :dunce:

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Weird, any chance you could take a snap of it, or scan the manual or anything, eager to see which plug it is....... as i am HIGHLY confused :D :D

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Blasted camera won't work, will see if I can find an image on the net :(

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Well the LAN i think is 1Gb connection, (will depend on if you have a 1gb port router, probably not - probably only 100mb) so your Lan connection will be 100Mb connection, but your wireless connection is only 54Mb so half the time, but your NTL connection is maximum 3mb, so even if you were pulling all of the NTL line, you wouldnt get anywhere near either. The other thing to bear in mind is how far away your wireless router goes (signal weakens with distance) and will cause a slow down of speed. Caspar's entire network is wireless i believe, and he has no issues at all, my PC is the only one connected to my router by cable, the rest of my systems (xbox, PS2, 2 x laptops, iPaq) connect via wireless with little problems, but sometimes when the missus goes on her laptop, the wireless connection lags my ethernet connection :( (so i just tell her to get off whilst im gaming :D)

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http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_cont...ookie%5Ftest=1

Bottom image.

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ooooh..... thats kinda weird :S it takes 2 x 4pins to create that, jeeeeeezus that must suck some juice :Yikes:

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What ever it is, my PSU is up for the job :disturbd:

EDIT: And the Asus V9999GT 256MB DDR3 which I am getting in a couple of months time uses 2x 4-pin connectors :Yikes:

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Probably like having a built in radiator :)

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Exactly the same setup and problem here :D

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lol... the really annoying part is, Caspar doesnt suffer these issues :(

What kit do you run???

I have (linksys) WRT54g router, connected to a D-Link Modem, the card in my HP is a built in one (not sure of make) and the card on gemmas laptop is a WPC54g (linksys), the 2 adapters for the consoles are Linksys 54g bridge thingies (cant remember their model number, and cant be arsed to google :D) and the iPaq is built in too.... I have 2 wirelees range expanders too, but i had the issues without them aswell.... I bought a new all in one linksys adsl modem, router and wap, but made no difference, seemed to cause the network to slow down, so contemplating a change of brand..... not sure....

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I have a Netgear WGR614 wireless router connected to my PC via an ethernet to usb adaptor. The laptop is connected via a pcmcia card made by Corega (cheap and nasty)

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Only really notice a problem if the au-pair is streaming video :D

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You must have a crap router then.
My router "routes" traffic based on demand so my Linux box can be downloading updates while I am playing UO online - no probs here. :)

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The repeaters halve the available bandwidths (AFAIK) as the repeating doubles the traffic on the network. This could be your problem.
Perhaps Phoenix mansions needs a WLAN redesign. Two separate WLANS that dont / only just overlap on different frequencies IP ranges that are both trusted to all computers on the current WLAN.

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The next time I get a router I'll make sure it does that as well :)

Edit--maby if I was to upgrade the firmware it might be better but I can't be bothered and it's not much of a problem anyway. :)

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You just need to make sure something called "QOS" is set up in your router. :)
WinXP has this built into it but it doesn't really work AFAIK.

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Thanks for that........can't find QOS anywhere in the routers software......nevermind :)

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My QoS is configured, to have my mac address as high priority, and everything else is set to low.... but makes sod all difference

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Right, one mobo fitted..........who would have thought that the manufacturer would place so many tiny delicate parts right next to screw holes? :disturbd:

Question.......as you can see, I have plugged in the SATA cables.......do I need to plug in any other mobo to hdd cables or is that it? :dunce:

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Nope, you've plugged in all the data cables you need.
Now plug the SATA power cable to the hard drive from the PSU.

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:shocked: Those tiny little things are all I need? Wow, they look like they could come loose really easily!
Still waiting for the PSU............less said about that the better :D

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Erm, bit of advice - it would have been a good idea to fit the CPU before installing the mobo. :rofl:

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I have always fitted my CPU's with the mobo already in place..........nice solid anchor point for when the heatsink goes on:shrug: :D

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Yeah i tend to fit the ram and CPU into the Mobo before i put it in the case (more space to work with).......

But with the size of that case...... and the easy enough to use FX-55 heatsink i dont think he will have any issues at all :)

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When I built mine, I left plugging in the SATA harddrives until last because the connectors on them looked fragile and that they could snap easily. So I would leave them unplugged until you have placed the other components on the motherboard just in case you accidentally break them.

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Yeah they do seem quite loose dont they. Thats the thing with those SATA cables, they are quite fidley and can break easily.
Good luck with completing your system.
The most worrying time will be the first switch on, but its also a great time as you experience what you have built.

A few quick things to remeber whilst you are building:

- Remember that anti static wrist band !
- Make sure you connect up all the fans and cables.
- Use cable ties to neatly arrange wires and keep good space for airflow in the case.
- Make sure no screws or rubbish is left touching the motherboard and that the motherboard is not touching the case panel.
- Dont over tighten screws.
- Get a pack of rounded cables for your DVD drive and floppy for about £5 from overclockers. It will be easier to position them and not take up so much space.
- Leave space between the graphics card and PCI ports so it can breathe.
Put in your PCI cards slightly further down if you have several slots.
- Read your motherboard book thoroughly and check your connections twice before you power up.

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Believe me, you're going to regret it - the Athlon 64 heatsinks are a "female dog" to fit.

BTW - do you not need power cables to your hard disks too? I can only see the data cables.

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#199

He hasnt received his PSU as yet.

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Good idea! :tu: :)
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Can't be any harder than fitting a zalman flower cooler on a socket A mobo..........now thats a b*tch :disturbd:
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Got it today, which is why I installed the mobo :)

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socket a mobos have always given me the shivers every time i attatch a heatsink,god rest my little flat ended screwdriver and welcome cam fitting heatsinks lol

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Lets talk about rounded cables............. :)
The HDD's don't need them 'cos I'm using the sata cables. I'll get one for the floppy drive..........do I need any others? :dunce:

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Yes, for the DVDRW, CD Drive, or any other optical drive.

Get rid of those nasty grey/black ribbon cables for good.

You can get some here

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I am trying to figure out where on the mobo to plug the cables that come from the front of my case. I know what set of pins to plug them into, just not which pins for which plug. The mobo guide is b*gger all help as the terms it uses don't match what's written on the teeny, tiny s*dding plugs. :tired: :confused: :dunce:

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if you look near where you plugged the regular power switch etc there should be a yellow(normally) usb header 9 pins 1 row of 4 1 of 5 normally they run power - + ground in that order the ground near the end with the spare pin.As far as audio i wouldnt use them and if theres firewire you need a header for this too these should be highlighted in your manual

Im not sure but looking at the pic of your mobo some of these headers are not present with a bit of luck you should be ok lol

edit the usb header appears to be next to your first pci slot thats if you went with the asus and there blue lol lol

The other wires all ie switches ide active and power led are all 2 core plus minus normally asus boards are marked and the +pin so you cant go wrong if you use a magnifying glass or squint lol you will see the board is marked as to what goes where lol lol

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Right..........here are pics of the mobo manual/connectors and mobo.........please can someone knowledgeable see if I have connected this up properly :disturbd:
Sorry to be such a dunce but I'd hate to blow something up :D

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They do appear to be correct yes as you can see the ide was marked with a plus the power and reset are right and power led - is correct according to your manual wheres the speaker??? does your asus board come with voice error reporting at post??? if it does you need the speaker plugged in

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Tnx m8.
I assumed the post error reporting speaker was on the mobo :confused:
Is there one on the case? :dunce:

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there should be something with the case either a little speaker that sits on the 4 pins above the reset pins or one in the bottom of the case that should have its own lead the post error reporting is only for if you have a problem hopefully you wont have any worries ;)

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These are the sound leads that the case comes with..............sorry for the cr*ppy focus

edit--from the top: ground/r-out/r-ret/l-out/l-ret/mic-in/mic-power

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Rammy, your not going to be using the onboard sound, so you wont connect them to your mobo, if anywhere they will connect to your SB Audigy2

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There is this (speaker symbol) thing on the mobo (top left of pic)

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they appear to be for the front audio there may be some for usb too?? you might have been given a little speaker on its own normally black with a 4 pin connection

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Thats what I assumed...........but since this is a first attempt ever at connecting up a mobo, I can't be too careful :disturbd:

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Does your case have a speaker???? that symbol, should you wish to wire a speaker straight the the mobo, thats where you would solder it to......

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soldering onto mobo's :disturbd: :D :D

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Yep, there is a front audio (presumably for the mobo onboard sound). No loose speaker came with the case or mobo.
The case has 6 usb's on the front...........producing 3 usb plugs but there is only provision for two usb plugs on the mobo (one of which I have already plugged an extra rear usb plate/game controler into)
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Now wheres that soldering iron? :disturbd: :D

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by rights the case will have supplied you with a speaker either on the case or a seperate one would have been in your fitting kit?
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sorry you already answered that lol lol you wont need one usless theres a problem anyway and im sure you will be fine

looks like your close to first boot lol im excited for you lol lol

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I can't see a speaker on the case..............
The mobo manual includes details of a 'winbond voice editor' that enables you to customise the post error messages (if you want to) this editor appears to work from within windows so that implies that the post error messages use the connected PC speakers (or headphones) :confused:

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thats sounds logical ive only ever used one asus with it and i forgot to plug my keyboard in i nearly soiled myself when it starting saying keyboard not detected lol lol you have to get to post first though and you need drivers for sound cards to work? http://uk.asus.com/products/mb/postreporter.htm but it dont say where it speaks from lol

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Yep, looks about right. If you connect them wrong (i.e. the wrong way round) it simply won't work properly. I, too nearly soiled myself when I plugged in the power/reser switches the wrong way round and they wouldn't work. :p:

However, after a bit of switching around, I finally got it going. ;)

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if you had hit reset the pc would have booted lollol only message leds(ide and power) need to have the polarity correct the reset and power switch just closes a curcuit for a second which boots pc when ive had faults or older boards with no idea what lead goes where ive used a screw driver to find the right jump (dont tell anyone lol lol )

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Hi rammy, no this is not the case....

It uses the onboard sound to play a voice in the event of a fault (my p4p800-e does it too.....) and because its such an annoying american voice, you can edit it ;)

Thats all, it tells you if you have faults such as graphics card ram etc.... its not a post beep system (similar function, but the speaker beeps)

You will only here the spoken version if you use the onboard sound (unless theres a way to pipe to the audigy that i cant find :S :(

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in that case in the unlikely event the pc wont boot just unplug audigy and plug speakers into onboard sound

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but that would mean it needs to be enabled in bios...... which means it will also be operative in windows etc........ There must be a way to pipe the damn thing......

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we are talking about problems at post are we not? if the pc wont post then bios has not detected the sound or anything,you only need a fault detector if theres a fault i would imagine its enabled in bios by default or it would be useless if theres a fault when first switched on

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No were talking about ramrod building his new machine, and his post speaker not being there etc...

But when he puts his audigy in, he will be advised by ALL on here to disable the onboard sound in the bios, to save conflicts in windows etc.

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yes most likely the onboard sound will disable itself once it detects the audigy. Im talking about first boot pc not been on before if it dont post then nothing is disabled by bios detecting anything.after the pc has booted the time for problems at post is over for now and at any point in the future if the pc wont boot he can just clear cmos and plug speakers into onboard again to find out why

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Really?? how many PCs have you built that have done this???

Thats really quite irrelevant, a PC can develop a fault at any time where the post beep could be required

But why bother??? i mean, clearing cmos...... jesus christ......

Why not just buy a PC speaker for £5 and plug it onto the motherboard connector like its meant to be.....


I really wish Bifta was here.......... this guy would be cut into tiny pieces and thrown to the lions....

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You m,ust not confuse the actual audio produced by a soundcard or onboard soundcard with the speaker in the case.
The speaker in the case should have a short wire that will connect to one of the pins near the others you havce been putting in, eg. reset, power, h.d, etc.
This is used to signify system beeps, however when you switch on there shouldnt be any beeps. Asus boards do not beep at all if everything has booted up fine.

The winbond editor thing is a thing bundled with Asus motherboards. In the event you have a problem, and that the Winbond speech controller is enabled in the Bios, a voice will alert you through your soundcards external speakers tha something is wrong. eg. CPU not installed, or No Graphics card detected.

The Speaker for the beeps is rarely used these days and is just there for the odd system sound thats generated now and again. There should be a speaker attached to the case and it will probably have a 4 pin connector labelled SPKR.

Now onto your front panel stuff...
If you have front panel sockets, eg, microphone, headphones, etc. connect them to either your soundcard or to the front panel audio jack on your motherboard to use the onboard sound.

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I have built a lot of pcs I own my own bussiness to only mine isnt on my profile.All I want is ramrods pc to be a success, it looks like he is near first boot thats all im worried about

And if i was fed to the lions for trying to help then they would be in trouble cuz of the high volume of saturated fat lol lol

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Well there will be one, just to say that the computer has passed the POST.

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I wasnt sure where the voice came from didnt know if it was pc speaker or not lol like i have said in other posts all being well the system will fire up first time.I only bought up the case speaker in the first place because of the chance of boot problems

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Not for all boards. My P4C800E Deluxe does not beep at all, and that shows its booted fine.


PS: Looks like you are near the switch on stage.
Make sure you've double checked all your wiring and that all rear connections are done (I forget the number of times I forget to connect a keyboard and mouse), and leave your case door open so you can check to see that all the fans are spinning properly.
Go get yourself a nice cool drink, flick through the motherboard book onelast time to check if you need to have anything ready, have your driver discs and O.S, ready, and then press that power switch.
Good luck.