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on ntl:hell and ntl employee has posted http://forums.ntlhell.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=7280

this is exactly the same as on this forum but the caps are
1M - 3G/month
2M - 1G/day
3M - 1G/day

can anyone confirm this
i would rather have the 30gb because then at least if one day i download more than 1gb and other days i do nothing :(

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tbh its all about profits, cut this cap that...

I could live with a cap but 40Gbit is way to low. Ill probly be off to adsl as well i nice isp like ukonline :angel:.

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My view is that most if not all UK Broadband providers will eventually submit to using caps to control the usage.

ntl are no different to those that already hace caps, be that soft or hard, BT do, plusnet, etc etc.

The "carrot" is to advertise a Cap free service ..... and then in the not too distant future Cap it ..... you see ....:D

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i personally think that if they want to introduce a capped service they should have another service which is uncapped. for example for 2mb £24.99 30gb cap
but for 2mb unlimited £30.00 or something.. (cheaper preferably because then theres no competition between other providers such as ukonline and lots of others who are providing unlimited 2mb for £29.99. .

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1mb 3gb/month
2mb 30gb/month
3mb 40gb/month

:)

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Maybe they should have an uncapped service, but at a price consistent with the cost of providing and running it which certainly isn't £30 if you average out the usage of all on that service.

Let's get back to reality. An ISP provides an internet service as a service that generates a profit for them, they are not charitable institutions. Would you object to your first suggestion of £24.99 for a 2Mb service capped at 30 Gb per month then a cost per Gb over that at say the cost of that 1 Gb to NTL plus say a 10% profit on top?

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I would have to say that, whilst I sort of agree with your principle, it's very wrong to say that someone is *automatically* an abuser just because they download a lot. Quite a few are, but by no means all. Some people just have high needs.

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Sounds like Metered BB

Though I suspect it will be closer to £2 per GB.

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Who knows? ;) The point that I am trying to make is that ISPs are not charitable institutions and need to charge at least what the service is costing them to provide. Some users seem to think that £2 to £5 extra covers the cost of whatever they want to use, it nowhere near covers the cost of what some customers use. Can any user object to paying just a little over cost price?

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Does anyone have any figures of exactly how much profit NTL will be making from the 1mbit/3gbyte service? They must make a fortune from that kind of service.

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That's one of the problems when users are complaining about speeds, caps and what other ISPs are doing. They have no idea of what costs are involved and whether a particular service is profitable or not. They assume that because one ISP can provide a cheap service that anyone charging more is making obscene profits. They never think that the cheap ISP may be selling way below cost to buy market share. NTL have done and still are doing a lot of upgrades to enable them to offer the forthcoming services. How much do you think all that has cost?

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the metered broadband model appears to be the way things are heading (for some ISPs) - plusnet are talking about an ADSL product which will give you the max speed possible on your line (upto 8mb) with costs per GB after you exceed 30gb per month. I think the price was around £22 for your initial monthly cost.

Then there are other ISPs such as ukonline which are going down the route of 'unlimited' GB with a high speed upto 8mb but for £40 a month.

So if you dont lke NTL's offering it looks like there will be an ADSL product alternative for all tastes. Assuming you can get ADSL!

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Don't tell me you don't believe they will be making an obscene profit on that tarif. 3gb bandwidth must cost NTL well under £1-2 at the bulk they buy it in.

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Do you seriously believe ntl are making obscene profits?

They aren't making any profits at all.

And quite apart from that, you have to factor other costs in like labour, overheads, etc.

You're not one of these people who sees a tin of beans in a supermarket for 50p, finds out that the cost of the ingredients is 5p, and then assumes the supermarket is making 45p profit? Because business isn't that simple.
__________________

Why don't you write to Simon Duffy and tell HIM how much profit he 'must be making'?

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Yes I do seriously believe that they make obscene profits from that tarif (I did just post that didn't I?).

And, no, I'm not one of these people who sees a tin of beans in a supermarket for 50p, finds out that the cost of the ingredients is 5p, and then assumes the supermarket is making 45p profit.

If they can't make a profit from the 1gb service they really shouldn't still be in business.

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ntl, in common with many other service providers, doesn't make a profit, obscene or otherwise.

I daresay that if you examine a particular product in isolation, there may be a paper profit out of it. But this has to be offset against parts of the business that make a loss.

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Maybe they will...................

After paying off all their debts............ 1Q of 2073 :D

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anyway as i said before in a previous posting. I hope that it will stay as a monthly download limit. If it is capped at 1gb per day that won't allow much room for gamers who play beta's or download from fileplanet as they can be way over 1gb each. I love the service i get from NTL i'm on the 1.5mb and look forward to the new speed but i must admit i'm praying for aa monthly allowance rather than daily as i think this would apeall to more consumers eg gamers that the higher speeds like the 1.5-3mg line is marketed at. please let NTL come out with an official statement soon confirming what the hell is officially gonna happen!!!!!!

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:LOL: I always laugh at the folks who reckon they can download 30 gig per month of legal data! :LOL:

:LOL: "I want unlimited BB because I download Linux distros" :LOL:

How often does a Linux distro come out? I'd be surprised if there were 30 gigs worth of Linux distros released each month! :p:

:LOL: I want to download game demos & they're over a gig each!" :LOL:

I personally believe the people that D/L over 30 or 40 gig per month are just leeching warez & should be big enough to admit it instead of the old "Linux Distros" chestnut.

And for those who say "But I up/download pictures & large documents to my work"-get a business connection & pay the relevant price for the privilege.

@ Martikus-My post wasn't aimed at you directly, more at the point you made about people who download "arge game demos"etc. :)

:welcome: to the site btw. :D

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I have to say that I also hope the cap is per month rather than per day. I use well under 10GB in a month, but if I'm downloading something from MSDN, I could easily go over 1GB in a particular day. Hopefully, we'll get a definitive answer in the not too far distant future.

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Neil

Have a big green rep from me. That is a bang on post. NICE ONE

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I just want to point out I've never counted my bandwidth so I don't know if I use over 30gig a month, I was just pointing out some legal uses for high bandwidth caps.

Although when downloading from fileplanet the download would fail a few times so i must have clocked up about 7gig before giving up and getting my friend to dl it.

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Dial up, why could people not stay online 24/7 ??? Cos there was only so many racks of modems so they forced a 2 hour cut off so people had a fighting chance to connect when they called. Fast Forward to Now, All ISP's want to impose a Cap, to restrict your useage - reason (there is a few) not enough bandwidth to manage the number of people connected to one point. Sounds familiar - so can we say then the Model of Cable Modem / ADSL has been outgrown yes??

The workd of Data is growing, Game demos which used to be small now come in at a Full CD Almost, MMORPG clients are DVD Sizes (WoW etc). Everytime someone mentioned they download a lot, Immedialty people jump on the "you are a Pirate" Bus - I have No idea whatsoever how much I download a day never mind a month, any Utils are rendered useless as Im on a LAN - so that gets clocked up too.

Maybe in XX years time we will look back at Broadband the same way we look at Dial up now. When a Leased Line got installed for a company I worked at they never dug up the road from Bradford to London, yet they felt the need to charge if i remeber £45,000 a ayear (was some time back).

Im sure someone mentioned its fibre most of the way on NTL, the last bit been copper, is it not technically possible to somehow replace that copper bit with something else? Did they not wire (close to NTL I will admit) a 155mbit line as a test?

The Plusnet model I can understand (capping) as the cost to BT is factored in on the cost - NTL on the other hand do not pay BT for such things - why is NTL / Telewest not the leading edge rather than keeping up with the rest?

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ahh I see now so this isn't about quality of service it is about policing the internet.

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Yes that's all well and good Neil, and I've no doubt what you say is true in most cases. However do you agree that the reason for imposing limits is to enable ntl to increase the number of people on it's netwok and not in any way due to concern of breach of copyright on other people's material? The only people who should be concerned about this are the copyright holders themselves, yet for some reason there's loads of people on here who are also bothered.

I only use about 5 GB per month yet I'm not in favour of caps. Apart from the fact that I may want to change my habits in the future, this is the thin end of the wedge. People are going to require more and more bandwidth in the future as files sizes get bigger. I'd expect people to be either against the caps or apathetic, not actively in favour.

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It's nothing of the sort.

People burning pirated CDs is an illegal use of the company's bandwidth. Why should the company fork out to allow people to do something that's illegal?

They just want people doing stuff like that to get off the network. They aren't interested in having them prosecuted or anything, just in getting rid of them.

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In a previous post I think I remember working it out to be somewhere around 60:1 contention.

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What's wrong with the that? The company isn't a charity, and if removing people doing illegal stuff makes room for people who aren't doing illegal stuff, then so much the better.

The arguments in favour of unlimited use are starting to look weaker and weaker as people are now resorting to trying to justify illegal activity.

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LOL whilst I disagree with him the way he laid out the post has made me laugh.

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I'd say the case it getting stronger and stronger as more high bandwidth LEGAL options are comming availiable.

5 years ago nobody would dream of sending a 4 gig beta file over the internet.

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I would like to see proof there is no operating profit (excluding debt payments)

NTL Would have to be be paying well over the going rate for £17 a month to not make a profit on 3 gig traffic.

Or have I forgot how much india call staff wages cost? and the redundancy payments for the sacked engineers?

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You may be right, but I'm talking specifically about the arguments presented in this forum, which have now basically degenrated into 'what right have ntl got to act as internet police and stop me doing illegal things on my ntl connection?', which I'm sure you'll agree is both lame and unconvincing.

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What part do you disagree with?

Whilst the post was (obviously) humorous, the point I was making was totally serious.

1) How many game demos are 700 meg each?

1B) How often do/have they come out?

2) How many games that are DVD sized are available for download?

2B) How often do/have they come out?

And regarding my views of what people download-I really don't give a monkey's puffhole what people download (legal or otherwise), just don't leech 50 odd gig per month & try to BS us that it's all legal. :nono: :D

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There's nothing wrong with that Neil, I just wanted to get it clear. Do you not agree with the 2nd paragraph in my post?

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I can see the libertarian point that the content of the bandwidth is no concerns of ntl. ntl have a right to limit there service, but I'm sure that they are doing this purely for cost reasons than for hurting the warez industry. The whole issue of legal conduct seems simply to justify the well u don't need that much bandwidth anyway argument. Suppose someone downloads the same demo over and over again, or leaves a radio stream running, perfectly legal just a bit of waste.

I have to admit 30 gig a month sounds quite generous, but as I've never bothered to add up my bandwidth usuage I can't tell how it affects me.

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I know. ;)

I have no idea as I don't work for ntl, but I would suspect it's a data capacity/cost issue (same as most ISPs I would think)

That depends on the legal teams & who they hold initially responsible I would suspect.

Warez monkey! :D

Horses for courses really, but I think most people's problem with ntl's cap, is that it was forced upon them quietly on a Friday afternoon, rather then them signing up to it knowingly & willingly.

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I'd just like to point out that's it's not only the people that go over 30gb a month that are opposed to the cap.

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While this thread allegedly is supposed to be about the speed increases, and as so often has degenerated into a cap discussion ;) With sarcastic comments aplenty. And the rights, (And obvious wrongs) of illegal or otherwise use of your NTL connection, I just feel that I would say this:
I am happy with NTL, have very few problems, I admit I occasionaly go over 1gb a day and this is what worries me that the cap will be a daily limit rather than monthly, as there are many legal downloads that are over 1gb.
No I dont download Linux ISO's or game demos on a daily basis, nor am I constantly downloading.
But nor do I feel I should be penalised financially for downloading a large file when the one off occasion I do so means I pay extra, when my overall total per month is far below 30gb.
And to bring it back to speed I cant wait for the upgrades :tu:

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Well I think that now it is going to cost me so much more in blank media, per month, that NTL should cut the price, when they put the speeds up, or send me a cake & some sleeves with each bill. :jk:

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Sorry to dig up a slightly older post but I haven't been online much the past couple of days.

There have been quite a number of posts about not wanting to have to monitor internet usage and not wanting to have to watch what the kids are doing on their PCs. How would those people fare with the Plusnet offering? Suppose you move to Plusnet when the 8Mb speeds are available and you live close enough to the exchange to get the 8Mb.

Plusnet gets activated on your line and away you go. First job is to do a speed check. Yippee, you're getting the full 8Mb. Right, lets get to work. What can I download overnight? Yep, got it all worked out, a few linux distros and all those massive game demos, but I will have to stay up till 1 am to start the downloads off so I don't use up my peak hours.

A couple of days later you decide to check your usage. What!!!!!!!, I have less than 1Gb left of my peak hours and there are still 28 days to go this month. What's gone wrong? Check usage logs. Drat, the overnight downloads were only coming through at 1 Mb not 8 Mb for some reason and most of them were completed in peak time. B***** kids, they've been maxing out the connection during peak time as well, will ahve to have words with them and keep an eye on what they're doing. Who said this b***** Plusnet was a good deal with hundreds of gigs a month for so little? Only time I can use it now is during the night. F****** ****** ****** *******!!!!

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Simple solution dont use aol software you dont have to use it even if they are your ISP provider.

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Surely, what plusnet are doing is going to cause more speed problems because they are now telling everyone to download within the same time period which is going to flood the network and people won't be able to max their connections :shrug: My understanding of the term 'peak time' is when most are using their broadband connection. Aren't they just moving the peak time from 6pm to 10pm to 12am to 6am :shrug:

Also, what happens when people don't use up their quota. Are plusnet going to carry it forward to the next month or perhaps give people a refund seeing as it is a usage-based charge and they haven't used their quota :scratch: I don't think so. Use it or lose it ;)

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Well the plusnet idea is good for people like me, I do most of my downloading when I go to bed anyway, for 2 reasons.

1 - Out of respect for gamers who like to play games in the evening.
2 - So it doesnt affect my own connection as I do a lot of stuff on secure telnet.

I can understand its not good for everyone, there are cases where you have to be at your pc to do your downloading but I think that type of downloading is usually for smaller files and within the 30 gig limit they give you, if not then yeah its a bad situation. But plusnet's idea certianly is better then ntl's implementation at least they are aiming to please as many people as possible.

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The point that I was making was that you still have to carefully monitor your use if you have a service such as Plusnet. The really heavy downloaders will try to cram as much as they can through in the off-peak period and if their connection goes slow for whatever reason during that period then a lot of the queued downloads will actually take place in peak time.

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Is there a timetable for the speed upgrade on the 14th? It be sweet to see Glasgow get the upgrade at like 9am.

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The changes are due from the 14th, not necessarily on the 14th

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Re the proposed 3 gb cap on 1mb, after testing throughput with net monitor i find that just having modem connected and computer running 12 hours daily without any surfing or downloading etc. approx 6oomb is used on a monthly basis.
So the cap is in reality 2.5 gb for my setup, if you are running 24/7 well then you can kiss goodbye to 1 gb.
One big con if you ask me.

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600Mb per month without browsing? Somehow I think you may find your figures are wrong. I take it you have made sure your system is clean and no background apps were running updates etc?

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That's 20 meg per day. :erm:

Are you sure you checking it correctly? :angel:

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I agree.

I personally would consider myself a Power User (play about with new software, linux included, games etc), and I doubt I have ever gone over the current limit.

The only time I even came close was recently when I was trying out various Linux distros (to see which I liked).

Also with Game demos, whilst it's true that game demos increasingly going over 1 gig, I don't download that many in a day (apart from anything else, it's not practical due to download speeds, and I like to spend some time enjoying what I download).

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Easy way to test your setup, run a net monitor (analogx, dumeter etc.) run it for an hour on your machine without accessing web etc also ensure no auto update progs are running and then after an hour check the totals, multiply by 12, then 7, then 4 and this will give the monthly idle total for 12 hours a day.
I think the calculation is correct but you try it and see.

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Looking at my daily stats, the lowest daily usage I have had this year is 6.78 Mb combined upload and download and that is with the computer running and online 24 hours a day. That 6.78 Mb day I checked my email several times and came on Cableforum for a few hours. My total January usage, combined upload and download, was 1.034 Gb. This was with 24/7 computer uptime and online connection and over 12 hours a day using the net.

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The calculation may be correct but if your figures are right then you have a serious problem with your setup because it shouldn't be moving 600Mb of data each month while idle ;)
At home there are 2 pcs on a router, we montiored both pc's over a 2 day period and even with browsing, downloading emails etc we were still within the limits for our connection speed.

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.... and remeber it's only the download traffic that *you* do, not any background noise ...

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just run netstat for an hour with machine idle and the only prog that would access the net is autoupdate for avast, as that is up to date there would not be a lot of traffic there, got 2.3mb of traffic in that hour. I have little process running and no spyware etc, disabled icmp in firewall, this is just incoming traffic,constant, average of 700bytes.

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The point still remains that it is possible to go over the cap legally, and not everyone is a pirate granted a lot of people are doing this but some of us genuinely are not. I would go on a business line without a seconds thought but at a 2 year contract needs some thinking about.

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Have you tried a different monitoring tool? There must be something accessing the connection. What gets listed if you do a
netstat /a
in a cmd box??

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Just did the same for 65 minutes and had total traffic, upload and download combined, of 136.8KB. Probably the difference is because I don't use p2p. :)

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netstat/a:

Proto Local Address Foreign Address State
TCP home:epmap home:0 LISTENING
TCP home:microsoft-ds home:0 LISTENING
TCP home:1026 home:0 LISTENING
TCP home:1338 localhost:1337 TIME_WAIT
UDP home:microsoft-ds *:*
UDP home:1025 *:*
UDP home:1072 *:*
UDP home:1073 *:*
UDP home:1074 *:*
UDP home:ntp *:*
UDP home:ntp *:*

Tried dumeter and another freeby net monitor all give same results.

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Just wanted to post a quick note getting this back on the speed rather than cap topic somewhat.

I have the 750K package through a Pace STB and realising I would not be upgraded to 2Mb without an upgrade to the STB I rang CS yesterday. The happily booked me in for a STB swap for the 10th March which was the earliest slot they had. I am in the Leeds area but would suspect these lead times are mirrored throught the country.

So the suggestion is to ring up CS now and book that PACE-> Samsung upgrade if you want 2Mb as soon as it is available.

:)

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Either: your PC has been compromised with some malware (or has P2P running);
Or: your network traffic recording application is incorrectly counting incoming broadcast traffic (e.g. ARPs, DHCP discovery) in its totals.

You should not count ARPs and DHCP broadcasts in your traffic totals if you are trying to emulate or predict an ISP's volume-related capping or charging.

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Unless you know what that is, it might be worth worrying a little.

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no p2p or malware but after further investigation using ethereal i find that all the traffic is ARP which apparently comes from local UBR looking for loads of addresses none of which are mine, incidently I believe ARP is counted as download traffic and continues even when pc is switched off.

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If anybody is interested I am using a programme called CS Fire Monitor which gives details about your computer set up plus logs bandwidth activity which is saved to a file on a daily basis.
It is spyware free and also free for home use.
Either do a google search for it or I can supply the url address.

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Well my bandwidth recorder program shows 10kB every 5 seconds being downloaded when not active, zonealarm doesn't show any activity so there is no problem with pc. I say the program is counting the unnecassary download from the DHCP

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All this traffic that some users are saying they get when nothing is running is probably p2p users trying to connect to them for their usual fix of downloads. :D

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Lies to be honest. I have no p2p program open, my connection is perfect, Zone alarm reports no activity but the program NetMeter is recording the downstream from the DHCP it seems.

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Only unicasts and multicasts would be counted, not broadcasts, as I mentioned to you several days and several posts on this issue ago.

Take that as officially as you want, broadcast traffic will absolutely not be counted under any bandwidth allowance.

BTW on a slightly different subject if you have been connected to a P2P network you can get probes from nodes on that network trying to find your client, open or not, days after you've closed the client.

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You say that you have no p2p program open which suggests that you do use p2p. Is that the case or have you never used p2p? Netmeter will not show you what the traffic is, just how much there is.

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never used p2p and never will use, have no need for it, don't use any of messenger crap either just surf and email.

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I use p2p, but haven't even had the program open today. Zone alarm states no traffic and there are no processes that would indicate any activity.

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You don't need to have used p2p today. Depending on what p2p software you use, other users who you have connected with in the past will know your ip addy and come looking for you to see what else you may have that they want.

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say u've just been assigned a new IP.. and the preivous user was a heavy p2p user... you could find people trying to connect to ur IP thinking ur the other person... probably more likely with ADSL where most people have dynamic ips tho...

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what program are you using.

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done, mine is gettin upgraded this saturday :)

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On my monitor, there is a constant background noise of 0.7Kb/s - no connections of any kind, no firewall reports - I just threw a "drop ARP traffic" filter on the interface (my lovely Intel chipset card with "Priority Packet" and it all went - now I must disengage the filter, or there'll be trouble!


And please can we steer back to speed upgrades in this thread, the only reason to mention caps here, is in their relevance to the speed, like "how quick can you burn up 3Gb at 1Mbit, or 30Gb at Mbit instead of 2Mbit, which is all you get for £13 more!

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In response to above, I contacted CS. They referred me to Sales who told me no solution to the upgrade had been agreed. There were not enough Samsungs for all the upgrades and they may take the modem route and leave original STB's in situ.
They will contact customers in March and invite them to upgrade and take it from there

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Ntl will be updating there speeds so I understand .300k will be 1meg

but with 3gb monthly usage .

how can i find out how much usage that i have been using on average ,

is there a way .

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I use DUMeter, but there are others. Do a search on here for "bandwidth monitor"

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thanks for that ..very handy ..

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I use DuMeter too, but i've been having problems with it, crashing and getting runtime errors when i run certain other things, like Half Life 2, and a few others. It's still the best i've tried though.

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i could have sworn i was moaned at a couple of days ago for going off topic is it ok now some of the higher cf members are doing it

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I think that instead of increasing the d/l speed they should improve the u/l speed first. What is the point of Having 3MB d/l when u/l is only 300K

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Increasing download speed is far easier than increasing upload speed. Which would you prefer, 8 Mb down with 300 k up, 3 Mb down with 300k up or 2 Mb down with 300k up?

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I think NTL's upload is saturated on my ubr and many others so I am against increased upload speeds.

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Maybe the bulk of the public (and therefore NTL's customer base) don't really do much uploading?

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Must admit, upload has never been a concern for me, or most of the people i know.
There are many who always want to download faster, thats for sure. ;)
However having been on the internet quite some time [Compuserve dial-up anyone? :(] these days i would sooner have constant speed and reliability, something i cant knock NTL for in all honesty.

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as long as its over a meg in speed always on and cheap i dont care

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What is "broadcast traffic?"

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Traffic directed at a number of hosts, rather than just one. Just like the way a TV Broadcast is transmitted and lots of TV's tune in to it by "listening" to a frequency.

Phil.

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Cheers

Web radio is broadcast

But your selected Video from Broadband Plus would not be.

Have I got the idea

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sorry to go back to an old posting but i haven't been to the forum for a few days and wanted to reply. I actually did go over 30gb the other month. And yes it was legitametly with the beta of world of warcraft, a free trial of everquest, an everquest 2 beta, the matrix online beta and several other beta test. i also subscribe to official music download sites and yes i did download a few linux distro's as i have 2 machines and was looking at setting up an old 486 pc as a firewall box for the other system. Now i'm the first to admit this was not normal usage, it was a one off. most monthes i use about 9gb at the most. All my point was that i would prefer a monthly limit rather than an inforced daily limit as a daily limit of 1gb will not let me enjoy beta tests as much as i do. i think that the caps are a good idea it will get the leaches away from NTL, and improve all the other users service. Just want a monthly total cap thats all

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oh and i can't wait for the speed increases. especially the upload speed increase even if it is small, it's very welcome. Will give me that bit more of an edge in online games

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Both Web Radio and Broadband Plus are non-broadcast. Your computer requests data from a server (be it video or audio). Broadcasting is only really done on local network segments.

Phil.

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IIRC web radio is multicast rather than directed or broadcast. Don't know what that means in terms of caps, though.

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In the context, "broadcast" traffic means things directed at 255.255.255.255 - such as initial DHCP requests and replies, though my own test revealed that ARP (address resolution protocol) is the major component of the 0.7k background.

To pick up the on topic thread again, it looks like (if nothing alse changes, or turns out to be a false rumour).

1. 300k users have the choice of staying at 300k and "normal" limit, or moving to 1 Mbit / 3Gb per month
2. 750k users can have the upgrade to 2Mbit, but only with a hardware update if currently using a PACE STB for broadband
3. 1.5Mbit users go up to 3Mbit, but it's a poor value tariff compared to the 2Mbit, with no increase in quota

"Normal" limit - is still uncertain as to 1Gb/day soft, 1Gb/day hard, or 30Gb/month - and a rigidly enforced cap would represent a real-terms downgrade in quota over just picking on the gross abusers, and not that many of them, but the place for that is the other thread - point is, the proposed "upgrades" are not all positive - the most favorable deal goes to the £24.99 lot, but they may be getting nervous that the top and bottom tiers got bumped up by £3, and they did not.

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On the business lite package I got a phonecall back today, they answered many of my questions with positive answers.

But the key thing is I got agreement if I do go ahead with business lite they will put it on paper I am ok to use it in my home and not on business premises.

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Thanks Guys

I understand little more

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Any word on upload increases? I need to order for my new house and U/L + soft cap confirm could really be the difference between ADSL and ntl cable...

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