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SMHarman 03-08-2005 12:31
Re: Car questions
 
The battery itself, is it holding charge properly? I recall having problems jump starting a car before because the battery was so discharged it required a charge before the car would think about a jump start.

If the car starts and runs for a while IMHO it is more the electrical than mechanical parts of the engine.

ZrByte 04-08-2005 13:32
Re: Car questions
 
Ok then so far the only thing I have managed to try is charging the battery. I gave it a full charge and noticed that the little status led is showing black (If I recall correctly Green = good, Red = Dead, Black = broken). I havent got access to a multimeter at the moment so theres nothing else I could really do asside form try it in the car.
Anyway I took it outside, put it in the car. The interior lights, dash electrics are working etc but when I try to start the engine the starter motor just spins, the engine doesnt even hint at starting (well actually it did once, a quick but louder click wich sounded much like the starter does when it actually works) sadly that was the most I got from it.

Also to answer a couple of other points, It has been standing for about 3 months, I haver been using it at least once a week to try and stop things like this happening and never had a problem (even last thursday wich was the last time it was used).
The only things I can think of that would have been drawing power from the battery all this time are the immobilisor and perhapps the blower if the contact isnt switching it off properly when the ignition is switched off (this was a fault when my dad bought the car but had been fixed and im sure this is still the case).

ZrByte 06-08-2005 11:04
Re: Car questions
 
Another update: We have replaced the starter motor as we found out it had knackered up at some point. We have changed the plugs, the battery is showing green on the status light. And now the car starts up under its own power, However, the car still wont stay on unless you give it some gas (even resting my foot lightly on the pedal was enough).
I know some people recomended checking the air meter but im not 100% sure how to check it or even how to take the ******* appart to check it.

marky 06-08-2005 11:20
Re: Car questions
 
that would be the airflow meter and you cant check it yourself another common fault is the map sensor it would be best to take it somewhere otherwise you will be buying parts for fun :)

ZrByte 08-08-2005 01:00
Re: Car questions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by markymoan
that would be the airflow meter and you cant check it yourself another common fault is the map sensor it would be best to take it somewhere otherwise you will be buying parts for fun :)
Ok, thanks everyone, I'm going to check it in tomorrow if I can, Any Idea how much this will cost? Ideally I would like to take it to the proper lookers garage as it is over the road but If its considderably cheaper I would be willing to take the car elsewhere.

EDIT: This is just for the diagnostic BTW, I plan to do the repair myself once they have identified the dodgy part.

AndrewJ 08-08-2005 01:09
Re: Car questions
 
As temp measure why not increase the tickover RPM so the car is useable?

ZrByte 08-08-2005 01:16
Re: Car questions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Saxodriver
As temp measure why not increase the tickover RPM so the car is useable?
I dont think you can on this model of corsa, I could be wrong but ive heard its controlled by the ECU so no way to change it without hooking it upto a computer.

AndrewJ 08-08-2005 02:42
Re: Car questions
 
Aint there still a cable connection the throttle to the engine? just tighten it up a little too much to increase the rpm.

OLD Skool bodge

Acropolis 08-08-2005 09:40
Re: Car questions
 
To get the car diagnosed by a proper Vauxhall dealer will cost a small fortune normally, and even more to have the work done.

to check the air flow meter, simply remove the pipe from either side of it, and the electrical connector that goes onto the side of it, and thats it removed, you can then see inside it and make sure that nothing is blocking it, which is normally the cause of the problem with these things, when you put it back to gether make sure that the connections all go on nice and tight and especially make sure the elevtrical connector is seated properly, if you still have no joy then take it to vauxhall, but it would be cheaper to join The AA/RAC and get them to come out and have a look at it as they carry the compuerdiagnostics equipment now, or even call a mboile mechanic out as that would still be cheaper than going to the dealer.

SMHarman 08-08-2005 11:31
Re: Car questions
 
Any car place that can do MOTs will have the required equipment to do such diagnostics.

ZrByte 12-08-2005 14:26
Re: Car questions
 
Ok now we have had it diagnosed, According to the man at the garrage the computer is reporting that the Airflow meter is at fault, however he also said that the engine seemed a little underpowered (even for a 1ltr). So he ran a compression test on it and apparently it is running at an average of 110PSI and the last one he had was running at about 170PSI (I think those where the numbers quoted).
He said that the low compression on the cylinders could account for the computer thinking the Airflow meter is at fault.

So what do you guys think? is he feeding us some grade A bs? or is it true we are likeley gonna need to falk out about £500 to have the top end rebuilt and cleaned out?

Roy MM 12-08-2005 14:32
Re: Car questions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZrByte
Ok now we have had it diagnosed, According to the man at the garrage the computer is reporting that the Airflow meter is at fault, however he also said that the engine seemed a little underpowered (even for a 1ltr). So he ran a compression test on it and apparently it is running at an average of 110PSI and the last one he had was running at about 170PSI (I think those where the numbers quoted).
He said that the low compression on the cylinders could account for the computer thinking the Airflow meter is at fault.

So what do you guys think? is he feeding us some grade A bs? or is it true we are likeley gonna need to falk out about £500 to have the top end rebuilt and cleaned out?
Take it some where else see what they diagnose.

marky 12-08-2005 14:38
Re: Car questions
 
£500 i'd find an engine at a breakers its less work

+ get a second opinion but dont tell them what you have been told :)

Flubflow 12-08-2005 16:47
Re: Car questions
 
There will be an acceptable range of cylinder compression and it will be specified in the workshop manual (its in the Haynes manuals).
I can't find on google what your compression is supposed to be on that model but I did find out that the ratio is around 10.5:1 which, if you assume atmospheric pressure is 14.6psi, then the actual compression spec could be in the region of 10.5 x 14.6 = 153 psi (more likely much higher in reality).

It would be better if you quoted what your test result was for each of the cylinders rather than an average plus the one highest.
On your car the 170psi one sounds fine but if you are stating an average overall compression of 110 psi or less then you must have one or two cylinders that are extremely low indeed (or the garage man faked the test to bill you for work that doesn't need doing ;)).

Make sure the test is being carried out consistently on all cylinders and to the manfacturers spec (usually throttle wide open, all spark plugs out, starter motor spinning at best speed on a fully charged battery, and engine at normal operating temp).
A simple test to determine whether there is a problem on the bottom half of the engine or the top is to repeat the test with a teaspoon of oil in the cylinders that are under spec. Generally speaking, if you then measure a brief marked improvement immediately after adding this oil then you have worn/broken piston/rings or worn cylinder bore (and that could be confirmed, but not always, by blue smoke from the exhaust and/or oilled up spark plug during general use). If there is little difference with the oil test then that indicates a top end problem and you have leaky/burnt/cracked valves/valve-seats, weak valve spring(s) on the bad cylinders or a blowing head gasket/warped head (this could be confirmed, but not always, by slight misfiring under load).
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Quote:
Originally Posted by markymoan
£500 i'd find an engine at a breakers its less work

+ get a second opinion but dont tell them what you have been told :)
or you can get a recon head fitted for £230 here..
http://www.cherrypicked.co.uk/engine...lacement.shtml
There's probably similar companies more conveniently local.

Gareth 12-08-2005 16:51
Re: Car questions
 
Yep, I agree with Roy MM - a 2nd opinion is always a good idea when you're unable to tell if someone's trying to baffle you with BS.

ZrByte 12-08-2005 20:34
Re: Car questions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flubflow
There will be an acceptable range of cylinder compression and it will be specified in the workshop manual (its in the Haynes manuals).
I can't find on google what your compression is supposed to be on that model but I did find out that the ratio is around 10.5:1 which, if you assume atmospheric pressure is 14.6psi, then the actual compression spec could be in the region of 10.5 x 14.6 = 153 psi (more likely much higher in reality).

It would be better if you quoted what your test result was for each of the cylinders rather than an average plus the one highest.
On your car the 170psi one sounds fine but if you are stating an average overall compression of 110 psi or less then you must have one or two cylinders that are extremely low indeed (or the garage man faked the test to bill you for work that doesn't need doing ;)).

Make sure the test is being carried out consistently on all cylinders and to the manfacturers spec (usually throttle wide open, all spark plugs out, starter motor spinning at best speed on a fully charged battery, and engine at normal operating temp).
A simple test to determine whether there is a problem on the bottom half of the engine or the top is to repeat the test with a teaspoon of oil in the cylinders that are under spec. Generally speaking, if you then measure a brief marked improvement immediately after adding this oil then you have worn/broken piston/rings or worn cylinder bore (and that could be confirmed, but not always, by blue smoke from the exhaust and/or oilled up spark plug during general use). If there is little difference with the oil test then that indicates a top end problem and you have leaky/burnt/cracked valves/valve-seats, weak valve spring(s) on the bad cylinders or a blowing head gasket/warped head (this could be confirmed, but not always, by slight misfiring under load).
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or you can get a recon head fitted for £230 here..
http://www.cherrypicked.co.uk/engine...lacement.shtml
There's probably similar companies more conveniently local.
Sorry I worded my post poorly, I meant that 170PSI was the average result from a working car he had tested earlier last week, not one of my Dads was that high. Unfortunatley we didnt get a printout or anything to show us what the results for each cylinder where, the only thing he noted was that the center cylinder was particually lazy (this is a 3 cylinder engine), though we couldnt really complain as he didnt charge us for linking upto the computer or the compression test since he couldnt give us a more specific answer.

I just find it odd really, it does almost seem like the typical copout that you always hear in the horror stories of repairs that never needed doing in the first place, the only thing is the guy at the garrage doesnt really seem to want to do the repair mentioned so it does seem unlikeley that he would quote us for repairs that we dont need doing that he wouldnt benefit from.

Another funny thing is that even though he didnt do anything but test the car it now starts almost like it should, Just everytime you let it drop to idle the engine shakes a bit (apparently it still stalls when it gets warm but we havent managed that yet).
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Quote:
Originally Posted by markymoan
£500 i'd find an engine at a breakers its less work

+ get a second opinion but dont tell them what you have been told :)
Allready on getting a second opinion, though we cant book it in until monday.
The problem with getting an engine at the breakers is that apparently this is a common fault and as such it makes this particular engine harder to accquire (would it be possible to fit a larger engine to this car? such as one from the corsa 1.2 16v of the same age? apparently these are much easier to get hold of).

homealone 12-08-2005 20:46
Re: Car questions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZrByte

Quote:
Originally Posted by markymoan
£500 i'd find an engine at a breakers its less work

get a second opinion but dont tell them what you have been told :)
Allready on getting a second opinion, though we cant book it in until monday.
The problem with getting an engine at the breakers is that apparently this is a common fault and as such it makes this particular engine harder to accquire (would it be possible to fit a larger engine to this car? such as one from the corsa 1.2 16v of the same age? apparently these are much easier to get hold of).
you probably can fit the larger engine, but it could play havoc with your insurance - I'd look for a new car, myself ;)

Roy MM 12-08-2005 20:48
Re: Car questions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZrByte
Allready on getting a second opinion, though we cant book it in until monday.
The problem with getting an engine at the breakers is that apparently this is a common fault and as such it makes this particular engine harder to accquire (would it be possible to fit a larger engine to this car? such as one from the corsa 1.2 16v of the same age? apparently these are much easier to get hold of)
If the engine mounting is the same and enought room in the engine department it should not be a problem.

marky 12-08-2005 21:02
Re: Car questions
 
you can fit a larger engine but check the numbers on the bell housing of the gearbox near where the gear linkage goes in it will be (f10)(f12) or simlar the housings are different sizes:)


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