Re: [Merged] NTL - New 1MB / 5GB Cap - should I subscribe @ 300k with NO CAP ?
 

Exactly.
You paid for 1GB/day and you've over-used the service. Therefore you must be charged for the extra data.

If you don't like it, go purchase the retail version in the shop.

I didn't say it was impossible to go over 1GB/day with only legal uses. Hell you can download that POS toy operating system called Linux a hundred times. Wouldn't change the fact that you are over-using the service and hurting civil users who use their Broadband connection reasonably.

Re: [Merged] NTL - New 1MB / 5GB Cap - should I subscribe @ 300k with NO CAP ?
 

Um no - if it was enforced to 1gb in a day then i'd split it over more days... obviously.

And the reason you'd do that is?

edit - you said WHY would someone NEED to do it... I gave you an answer.


I DO use my connection reasonably.

Re: [Merged] NTL - New 1MB / 5GB Cap - should I subscribe @ 300k with NO CAP ?
 

Just a 'slight mis nomer somewhere in here ;) .

If you wish to make any computer usage reliant on a 'remote' and under sole control of the purveyor then you are encouraging a monopolostic state of affairs with regard to software. This 'is' communisim at its finest example where one is controlled by another person/entity. :Yikes:

Not the way I and indeed many others would wish to work.

P2P is a lot more than 'warez monkeys' or to use your phrase 'theives', their are many legitamate uses for the P2P network, as a quick trawl of any cap thread in this forum will reveal.

Re: [Merged] NTL - New 1MB / 5GB Cap - should I subscribe @ 300k with NO CAP ?
 

So you think its ok for NTL to decide how we can purchase our software? If anyone wishes to purchase online software which they download, they can and should be able to - what gives NTL the right to dictate peoples shopping habits?

Could quite easily take NTL to court and state they are infringing on human rights (the HRA 1998 has been great for things like this!)

Re: [Merged] NTL - New 1MB / 5GB Cap - should I subscribe @ 300k with NO CAP ?
 

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

And here was me thinking this would be a boring Saturday. Big thanks for cheering me up

Re: [Merged] NTL - New 1MB / 5GB Cap - should I subscribe @ 300k with NO CAP ?
 

Re: [Merged] NTL - New 1MB / 5GB Cap - should I subscribe @ 300k with NO CAP ?
 

I'm going with the upgrade when they ask me, and if I get a letter from them saying I keep going over I'll ring them to get my bandwidth limit increased (or get something like that sorted) otherwise, if I get no messages from them, I'll use it the same as I was before. Probably the best option to do aswell, I don't think they will cut off my internet because I went over by a few MB ;)

Re: [Merged] NTL - New 1MB / 5GB Cap - should I subscribe @ 300k with NO CAP ?
 

Usually i find salesmen to be dishonest, all they are interested in is selling their product and getting their commision as they know somebody else will have to deal with the problems when you find out what you didn't expect.

Believe the investors report and not the salesman if i were you. The service will be capped if it said so. Though what you said was interesting..i think i'll have to see if the salesmen in my town are already selling the new deal.

Re: [Merged] NTL - New 1MB / 5GB Cap - should I subscribe @ 300k with NO CAP ?
 

Something else I would like to mention as well. ADSL capping that has recently came about is largely related to the BT Central change in charges that BT were forced to do to make datastream ADSL competitive basically they switched from capacity based charging to usage based charging so isp's are under pressure to cut down their bandwidth consumption or raise contention level's. For this reason we will start seeing ADSL ipstream isp's go towards metered products but LLU and datastream should be unaffected, I think NTL have piggy backed onto this and taken advantage of the situation, it is well known that with ADSL the isp's bill for BT central traffic is more then external traffic so as NTL own their own network I can only assume that the cost for their local traffic is less in proportion to what ADSL isp's have to pay, I hope what I have said isn't too confusing.

Re: [Merged] NTL - New 1MB / 5GB Cap - should I subscribe @ 300k with NO CAP ?
 

Look again as I replied to your post, mine is post 99 and please do not shout thanks. :)

Re: [Merged] NTL - New 1MB / 5GB Cap - should I subscribe @ 300k with NO CAP ?
 

I heard the other day that there's talk of movie studios legitimising downloading of movies in order to counter the current illegal P2Ping of movies.

They have seen what happened to napster and also the various successful ventures such as Apple's Itunes and the suggestion is that the same can happen with movies.

If/When this happens then it would become an incentive to some broadband customers to avoid metered products or seek products that dont have a low cap.

Re: [Merged] NTL - New 1MB / 5GB Cap - should I subscribe @ 300k with NO CAP ?
 

Unless i'm wrong, basically theres not enough bandwidth to go round if everyone starts d\loading Half Life 2 at exactly the same time.
Can there ever be enough bandwidth, ever? [Without NTL having to pay out stupid money to do so]
So theres little chance for those who would quite happily pay a bit more, so they dont become paranoid about limits.
Lets hope its not going to cost the earth if you go over.

Re: [Merged] NTL - New 1MB / 5GB Cap - should I subscribe @ 300k with NO CAP ?
 

eh?? ever heard of a thing called the Movies on Demand??? Demo download sites, Distros, i could go on all day.. Subcription media sites etc etc... uninformed idiots like yourself need to get with the program, were not all p2P thieves.

Re: [Merged] NTL - New 1MB / 5GB Cap - should I subscribe @ 300k with NO CAP ?
 

I too read something a while back on this. For the majority, isn't the whole point is that you don't pay. I think they are wrong if they think it is because people find it is 'convienent'.

Besides, i wouldn't use the service if they are going to compress the films to cd size. I doubt it'll lift off though anyway.

Re: NTL - New 1MB / 5GB Cap - should I subscribe @ 300k with NO CAP ?
 

It's called the free market economy, its the world we live in and to honest its nice to find it working in the consumers interest for a change.

Re: [Merged] NTL - New 1MB / 5GB Cap - should I subscribe @ 300k with NO CAP ?
 

Read an interesting article in the online Chicago Herald Tribune last week on this. Covering Blockbuster dropping late fees (well kinda) , principally to compete with the netflix/screenselects of this world.
Went on to examine how the whole rental industry is falling apart in a market where you can buy many dvds for $10 (so why rent for $4).
Then went on to the future and the potential colaberation between the movie houses / tivo and netflix cutting out the postal system and delivering your next rental to the HDD of your Tivo box.
Certainly woudn't want to be on metered BB if I was getting an 8GB movie delivered once a week!

Re: [Merged] NTL - New 1MB / 5GB Cap - should I subscribe @ 300k with NO CAP ?
 

When the first CAP thread came up a LOT of people agrued to death with the Pros and the cons and how in the end anyhow nobody was CAPPED and the whole network somehow managed to carry on running regardless of the fact that there is not real CAP in place at all - just something written down as a guide line. In fact if you go back to them posts it sounded like the whole NTL network was in a state of collapse and anything greater than 1mbit was def not possible considering how bad the network was with all these Leechers using up all the bandwidth. Now we move on - NTL upped the Speed to 1.5mbit - Network still running fine. Soon it seems we shall have 3mbit but how can this be - the bandwidth is not enough the people say, cable was never designed for this - pure TV only surely..

ALso regarding any cap thread - there is those who are against (the End users) and those who cannot wait till we have 1 gig month cap on a 10mbit connection....do these same people also work at NTL I wonder?

My needs can change on a day by day basis, i dont wake up and think right, Ill download 10 GIG today do I.... Today for example I have not downloaded anything at all, just web browsing and Playing a couple games. Yesterday I was grabbing maps for CoD, Halo and BF1942. I downloaded a Game demo a few day earlier, only a mere 503Meg (the Proper Game comes on a DVD) - thats One game... All as you can see quite legeal and also nothing that the average Person might do if they are into gaming.

But what the "Lets have a CAP" brigade are saying is this is not normal at all - I am overusing my connection - what do you suggest I do? Not try any demos of games or patch the games I have bought up - while Im at it - lets not patch My OS or send any large email - Im abusing the network and costing NTL Money surley...

Re: [Merged] NTL - New 1MB / 5GB Cap - should I subscribe @ 300k with NO CAP ?
 

No they are not, they are saying that the 1Mb/64k/5GB contract is not for you and you should be on the 2Mb/128k/30GB contract. on that even downloading the 530Mb game demo only takes you to half your (averaged) daily usage. The new 30Gb a month works better with your usage patterns, so if you spend a day downloading games and maps and download 3Gb then the next couple surfing, then a weekend playing, on the current process you broke guidance once, on the new one it all averages.

The problem that this site is already showing is people will see a 1Mb contract for not too much £ and jump on it when realistically the bronze tier is no more suitable for them now than it was when it was a 300k contract.

Re: [Merged] NTL - New 1MB / 5GB Cap - should I subscribe @ 300k with NO CAP ?
 

Cap or No cap, we are being screwed either way, since the uk is Is the capital of Rip off.

Roll on 3MB

Re: [Merged] NTL - New 1MB / 5GB Cap - should I subscribe @ 300k with NO CAP ?
 

None of my points have been answered because I assume the NTL defenders know I am right, When the changes happen I will just carry on as normal and see how NTL react when I break the limit, this probably wont happen every month since my usage varies so much eg. I have only used 21 gig this month and it is the 19th already so I expect to not go over 30 gig as I will be away over christmas, but there will be month's I will use around the 50 gig mark, will NTL let this go? or will they send me a overage bill? or will they throttle my speed? how they react will depend on what I think.

If they let it go I bet there will be peope bitching saying its unfair and that I should pay for the extra 10/20 gig, why? so they pay 50pence less a month?

Re: [Merged] NTL - New 1MB / 5GB Cap - should I subscribe @ 300k with NO CAP ?
 

TBH nobody knows yet, much like nobody really knew about the first soft cap and thus Billions of threads all arguing about the pro's and the cons. Best option is basically Wait and See and hopefully like say Pipex they will list in a FAQ what happens. In the case of Pipex if you go over they throttle your connection for the rest of the Billing month or you can pay £1.95 I think it is for 1 GIG extra.

As per Point above by SMHarman (people jumping on 1 mbit) - thats a very good point and now it all makes sense in a funny sort of way. I suppose the main bone of annoyance is that a lot of use Arguing use our connection on a random basis and maybe we would never go over the cap but if they bring in something that is meteringf what you use, then you start to ask questions such as what are they metering and so forth. I just had a dig around the ADSL Lite option on some ISP's and a lot have a policy in where as 12-6am is free of metering as during these hours it does not normally effect people when you download stuff. As already posted by others, a lot have already done this to ease the burden on the UBR at peak time...

Re: [Merged] NTL - New 1MB / 5GB Cap - should I subscribe @ 300k with NO CAP ?
 

From the limited knowledge around, which we all hope NTL clarifies before it goes and does this.
1. If you do nothing you stay on the contract terms, speeds and soft cap you have now.
2. If you pay the £20 fee you switch to the new contract and the new contract terms, by paying the fee you are explicitly accepting the new terms (and hopefully the FAQ will explain the effects of those.

What NTL do when you go over has yet to be explained. Send you an email to buy more bw, throttle speed? Wait and see, but so far even with the guidance limit (aka cap) that exists on current usage I think we are hard pressed to find people that have been asked to curtail their usage.

Re: [Merged] NTL - New 1MB / 5GB Cap - should I subscribe @ 300k with NO CAP ?
 

pipex have unmetered options, and I am aware there is the option of staying as I am and not going to a new package but this holds no garantuee I will still be on the soft cap and also this option will only be avialble for a limited time, eventually the old packages will be phased out.

Re: [Merged] NTL - New 1MB / 5GB Cap - should I subscribe @ 300k with NO CAP ?
 

Not necessisraly, I'm was until recently on Talk 60 with Orange, they phased the plan out 3 years ago.

Re: [Merged] NTL - New 1MB / 5GB Cap - should I subscribe @ 300k with NO CAP ?
 

NTL offer a service which has conditions and set a price for that service. If you are happy with that service, those conditions and that price you contract to take it. If you are unhappy with any aspect you are quite free not to take it.

NTL are not dictating what you buy or where you buy it. As long as you work within the terms and conditions you can buy what you want, where you want.

What do you think your local bus company would say if you went to Comet and bought a fridge freezer and then tried to take it home on the bus. Would you take them to court for infringing your human rights if they wouldn't let you on the bus with it? :D

Re: [Merged] NTL - New 1MB / 5GB Cap - should I subscribe @ 300k with NO CAP ?
 

I wonder if the experience (apocrathal or not) when the 30mph limit in towns was first introduced will be repeated when the (hard) caps are introduced
When the speed limit was intorduced the minor accident rate actualy went UP because where as before people just drove at the speed the felt appropriate once the 30mph limit came in they all drove at that speed.

What I can see happening is that where as before people just "used" the net without any thought to total downloaded, once the cap is introduced people will start looking for excuses to download things so as not to "waste" their available downloads a month (e.g. "well I'm not realy interested in it but I many as well download it now whilst I've got some doenload capacity spare").
Therefore whilst the top say 10% of downloaders will download less because everyone else is downloading up to their limit the average usage per user will actual go up.

I know this certainly occurs with the "free" minutes on mobiles phones etc. oft times people make calls just to "use them up".

Of course even if this does come to pass and NTL scrabble to ditch the cap the genie will already be out of the bottle in all likelyhood people will continue with their (new) old habits.

I wonder if NTL "customer research" addressed this (probably not as almost certainly the people in charge of commisioning the research were also behind the hard cap idea and therefore had too much capital invested in the idea to get the "wrong" result from the research, or am I just being cynical).

Stephen

Re: [Merged] NTL - New 1MB / 5GB Cap - should I subscribe @ 300k with NO CAP ?
 

Where does it say on the bus though that you cannot take a fridge on board?

And that is actually a stupid example to use in this situation. How can the Government in this country expect users to get on the net and use it for what its meant - which is not downloading illegal wares and mp3's when there are companies like this around who are going to dictate what can and cannot be done.

I am not arsed what they think, if I wish to purchase gig loads of software and download them I am perfectly within my rights to do so - maybe NTL should change thier AUP regarding large programs as 100meg these days is nothing!

Re: [Merged] NTL - New 1MB / 5GB Cap - should I subscribe @ 300k with NO CAP ?
 

a large program in my opinion is usually 700meg to a few gig.

Re: [Merged] NTL - New 1MB / 5GB Cap - should I subscribe @ 300k with NO CAP ?
 

Exactly the point I was making. There is nothing in NTLs terms that stop you from downloading large legal software. The vast majority of users will never come anywhere near the caps but some users will. We will have to wait and see what happens when the cap is reached.

What it comes down to at the end of the day is that if you have something that needs to be carried you choose the carrier that can handle it. This applies whether it is fridge freezers, people or data. You don't order a taxi if you have 30 people to transport, you hire a bus. You don't hire the taxi and then when it comes along complain that it hasn't the capacity that you want and that it's infringing your human rights and the taxi company should be taken to court. If you want to transfer more data than your ISP says you can then you look for an ISP that meets your requirements.