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Or I could go from 1.5 Mb for £37.99 to 2.0 Mb for £24.99 - 33% increase for £13 per month less!
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*Looks at BT, Wanadoo, A+A et al </I told you so type smug> 40GB is extremely low? You'd love Cogeco.ca, 10Mbit/1Mbit, only 30GB/month total transfer limit. A mere 6 full length DVDs. Last I checked contention on BT's Office products was 20:1. 20:1 share of a 2Mbit circuit is ~30GB, 20:1 of 3Mbit is 45. Hardly mean doing a 20 - 25:1 contention and it's well above what vast majority use. 3Mbit doesn't require anywhere near 256kbit of upstream to support ACKs generated, 256kbit is good for 10Mbit or more, depending on number of sources for a download that are being used simultaneously. |
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To be honest, I am pleased at the news - My once 512K priced at £24.99 some 3/4 years ago went from 512K to 600K at no cost - then it went from 600K to 750K at no cost and now with this news its being significantly increased (More than doubled) to 2MB and still for £24.99 per month. I will happily pay £25 admin fee for this. Small price to pay for such a huge difference IMHO.
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NTL supercharges broadband
NTL's entry level 300k service will be supercharged to 1Mb while still costing £17.99 a month. Its new 2Mb service will cost £24.99 while 3Mb will cost £37.99.
The speed increases will be rolled out to new customers during the first three months of next year, although existing customers must cough up a £25 "administration fee" to make the switch. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/11/03/ntl_q3_04/ |
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I have to say the timing is great on a personal level...
We are looking at cutting costs, as we are expecting our first child in May/June next year.. One contention was the £38 for BB - I felt I needed the higher B/W for when I work from home (although I could go BT and get it paid for, that would mean new phone lines etc :( ) so I can now save money and get even more speed (2M for less than 1.5M :D ) :beer: :beer: - cheers NTLb- :beer: :beer: as to the £25 to get the new speeds, if they do enforce it, I think it's a bit cheeky - making existing customers pay for something new customers get by default, but if they are going to start charging installation again to new customers, then its still cheaper... |
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I too would be prepared to pay the £25, however this doesn't mean I won't play the "25 pounds! This is proposterous! Please cancel my telephone, TV and broadband packages immediately, etc." game with customer services first.
It would be rather shortsighted of them to loose nearly £100 of guaranteed revenue a month over one £25 payment. BTW, I live in central London and do have plenty of alternatives, even if it would cause me some inconvenience. |
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Hmm, most interesting. Any speed increase for next to nothing, has to be welcomed. A one off £25.00 admin fee could be well worth it, assuming that you knew you would get close to the new service speed. However this admin fee, from the 300 to 1 meg service speed effectively is a payment upfront of say 3 months value.
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3-4 years ago we were paying £25 for a 600k service that was less than 100% reliable, and when it went wrong, took a long time to fix. Next year we could be paying the same money for a 2M service that (if the support does not suddenly go back to its old self) is reliable, and when it breaks, gets fixed in good time. (I never thought I would say such a nice thing about NTL's BB service :angel: ) |
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A few thoughts on the subject:
Is the £25 admin fee just a way of jumping the queue and getting the upgrade faster than waiting for it to be applied across the board? With 2Mb and 3Mb speeds being available will STBs be able to handle those speeds? There must be a lot of customers on the 750k tier who have a Pace STB and all those will have to be supplied with a cable modem or Samsung STB, that is if the Samsung can handle 2Mb. My bet would be on moving everyone to SACM which would take a long time to do. If NTL cap its customers as suggested it will mean a significant lowering of what you are able to download in a month taking into account that you can download as much as you want for a few days a month under the current advisory levels. My own view is that the new "cap" will largely affect the 24/7 warez merchants until such time as very high bandwidth streaming media is available. I hope that if NTL are considering more strictly applying this "cap" that they provide some means of checking your usage and document the consequences of exceeding. Excellent news from NTL that can only be seen as positive, but as usual some will find something to complain about. |
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Samsung comfortably does 2Mbit, and just to point out no-one has to upgrade. Note the charge BT apply and ISPs' customers pay to regrade their bandwidth...
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Not that impressed with the news. I currently have 750k and a 1gb a day cap. Thats fine for me, I go over it now and then but overall I'm fine.
When these changes come into force, will I still have a 1gb a day cap ? or will I jump to the 5gb a month cap. Cos 5gb a month really isn't very much. |
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Oh you doubters and complainers, some people are just never happy :rolleyes:
Me - I will be happily parting with my £25 - to double my speed from 1.5mbps to 3mbps. :D |
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What benefit is there in having download speed which is twice as fast if you can only download the same amount mate. Its like racing in between red traffic lights.
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Like the majority of people - I never get even close to 1GB a day, so the benefit is obvious - twice the speed. :)
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the same reason why people buy a car capable for doing 180mph when the limit is 70mph surely?!?! |
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Yep, same ere. Let me know when they want it and i'll pay it!
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I suspect it wont be long before bandwidth is irrelevant as download rates increase to the max needed by the average punter - until we start getting applications which need all this bandwidth such as downloadable film rentals. the £25 charge is just a silly distraction from the main headline which is that broadband has just taken another major step forward. as for the 30gb/40gb limits - isnt that similar to the current 1gb guideline? probably enough for most people for the current internet usage. |
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Brilliant news this. Utterly fantastic. Anyone who says otherwise is wrong.
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No they aren't they just have a different opinion to you, thats the beauty of living in this country people are allowed to disagree!! |
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Doesn't it mean that as a 750k user I have to pay £25 unless I want to be restricted to 5gb a month ? I'm not really a power user and don't mind having a slowish speed. I just don't want to be constantly looking at my download limit and if its 5gb a month I'm gonna be doing that.
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Did I miss something - where are these limits officially stated ?
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Methinks that the £25 charge has more to do with introducing the cap.
Give everyone a free speed upgrade but introduce a cap and peeps will moan like hell. Let them pay to opt in to a deal that includes a cap and they won't - (as much). |
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Are these in line with the current "caps" ? Certainly 30-40Gb per month does not seem to be particularly low. without getting into the whole "cap/no cap" discussion, I play CS:Source, and work over VPN quite a lot from home, and the speed difference from 1-1.5M was noticeable, so from 1.5-3M would be even more so. I don't spend a large amount of time downloading (probably a couple of Linux ISOs a fortnight) and have never hit the cap - to me this is a no brainer... |
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I wonder if this speed increase will also apply to AOL users without a cap ?
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They are in line with the current guidelines which are 1gb a day, except for people who 1mb (which is why I have the vague notion if I stay on a tariff below 1mb I'll be subject to the same usage restriction) which is 5gb a month. Thats pretty low when you think about if you are downloading hl2 source and the games.
I think what atlis said may be on the money though. If people are actually paying and changing their broadband plans with a cap set in place, its alot more enforceable than when NTL just decided unilaterally to impose 'guidelines' I hope these caps are guidelines but they do seem rather prominent. |
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At least ntl have been a bit more open & upfront about their 'cap' this time around, it remains to be seen whether they amend the Ts & Cs to reflect 40 gig per month as a blanket monthly figure, or amend the current 'usage guideline' that they have in place. |
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The way I see it is this regarding the usage allowance - If someone consistantly goes over the limit and it is seriously effecting others service for customers in their region then you probably get a polite notice to alter your usage.
If someone ocassionally goes over the limit and I am pretty much sure this applies to a signifcant amount of customers, then I am sure it will be overlooked, pretty much like its doing now. You only have to think seriously about how many customers have posted on any forum that they have been disconnected or are going to be disconnected. Since the AUP change last year I do not know of anyone who has mentioned on any site that they had their services removed or discontinued. This can only point to one thing that it is a very rare occurance when ntl does act. I am no fan of restrictions, personally it doesn't effect me one way or the other but I didn't particularily like the way ntl introduced them, one Friday afternoon, back in Feb 2003. But looking at the time factor since that time, when has ntl ever been seen to strictly enforce this? |
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There is a change because 40 gig per month is less than what is currently allowed. Most users will not hit the "cap/usage guideline" faster because they will still do the same things that they usually do. How can you say that NTL have been more open and upfront this time when they have not officialy announced any change to the guidline? :) |
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this is superb news just what i wanted, although the caps are not concrete i expect NTL to come down on people like a ton of bricks if they exceed future limits :(
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I an not a fan of capped broadband, as it seems to be a bit of a misnomer. But as my usage patterns do not cause issue with the cap, I have never really had issues with NTL having them. It will be interesting to see what happens - Maybe this is just a way of trying to get those "power users" to subscribe to a business contract in order to have unlimited downloads. Does anyone know whether the upload will change or not - I know it has been asked, but I do not see an answer.. ;) |
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Unfortunately, it makes sense on ntl's behalf, that they drastically reduce the cap on the new 1MB service, to discourage current 750K users from "downgrading" to 1MB next year.
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I'm happy with the speed but worried about how caps may be enforced, at the moment I have a 40GB a month USENET account which I use up every month, now with the current guidelines they have left me alone (no usage letters) but if it is stictly enforced then I'm buggerd as I've got my normal browsing and online gaming usage on top of that. Yes they could say 40GB is an incerase but it is avery small incerase and at 3Mb that could eaten up very quickly. Hopefully if this a move to come into line with telewest then the caps wont be enforced as they dont have any caps at all at this time it just depends on which way they go after a merger i.e. capped/uncapped.
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Its a reduction really, although it looks reasonable similar. The current guidelines allow you to download say 70gb a month and stay within the rules. On the basis that you download alot on the 4 days a month you're able to exceeed the 1gb cap.
Not that thats very reasonable use of the service. Personally I don't think I go over the guidelines much. Most days I only download 50mb from basic surfing. Just abit concerned with a 5gb cap that I'll be constantly looking at what I've downloaded instead of being rather carefree. |
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Capped Broadband is the way everyone will go sooner or later.
As more and more people get Broadband be it ADSL or Cable, Its a choice, either let bandwidth hogs using fileshare drive our connections to 14k speeds. At least the 1Mb service isnt as pointless as the 1GB cap services certain DSL ISPs (cough BT, Wanadoo, Tiscali) are offering.............these days you turn frigging Windows on and it downloads some rubbish service pack and a gazillion patches which right royally srews your computer and its about 200mb! |
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I personaly feel that a 2GB a day (i.e. 60 a month) cap on a 3Mb connection would be better, obviously it would suit me anyway lol.
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I wonder if this will actually lead initially to a drop in revenue for NTL as people view this as a chance to get an upgrade and a drop in price? In other words, will people change from the existing 750K for £25pm to the 1MB option at £18. I would think that the vast majority of users will not be troubled by a 5GB cap...so NTL will lose £7 per month, per customer.
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in my view NTL will enforce its rules whatever they may be, they have more to lose now interms of trying to keep heavy downloaders minimal and turning over revenue to keep bandwidth bills down, so its good in the sense speeds are to increase, but bad for people such as myself who argue against caps.
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All the news about the speed upgrades is great.... it sounds like NTL is actually being sensible for a change :shocked:
Now if they do bring in the caps as mentioned why dont they also add extra tiers for BIG downloaders..... 300K 1MB †“ £17.99. (5GB* usage) + £5 for unlimited usage 750K 2MB †“ £24.99. (30GB* usage) + £7.50 for unlimited usage 1.5MB 3MB †“ £37.99. (40GB* usage) + £10 for unlimited usage As I have said before I'm more than willing to pay extra money for extra usage. Why not even charge a little more for more upload too!!! Give poeple more choice for more money and poeple will either choose to pay it or not!! And I for one will pay!!! How about 8mb/1mb for £75!! gimme gimme!!! :D |
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Will you change tier with extra speed?
With speeds being at least doubled next year will you stay on the same tier as you are now on or change to another tier?
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Yes ... or I would if I wasn't moving house off the network :cry: Sorry to keep banging on about it, but I'm really going to miss my BB, and now I'm going to miss it more than ever!
I would also pay the £25 if necessary, but I don't believe in paying for things if you can get them legally for free, so I'd have a look at a swift downgrade/upgrade if that's what I had to do to avoid the charge. :) |
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hmm I'd like to just stay on 750k with a 1gb a day limit. I would have clicked downgrade to 1mb from 750k but the 5gb a month limit is too low and I'd go over that, so I'd have to go with 2mb which I don't need. So I'm gonna have to pay £25 to stay with a usage restriction that I currently have. So much for this being an improvement.
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300K 1MB †“ £17.99. (5GB* monthly usage allowance) 750K 2MB †“ £24.99. (30GB* monthly usage allowance) 1.5MB 3MB †“ £37.99. (40GB* monthly usage allowance) GREAT News... I was on 64kb (free upgrade to 150) then went for 600kb (free upgrade to 750kb) Now to 2MB :D Not sure on the CAP (NO not another long winded thread) lol... Just waiting to see MORE info... What if we GO over :confused: & will NTL issue us with a FREE Traffic Monitor? :confused: I use my DU Meter (but others dont) Some days I get 300MB & others (Joey day & stuff) lol I get 1.1GB :Yikes: (NOT like some who want UNRESTRICTED bandwidth for £5 extra) lol Imagine those who download 6GB a day... :mad: We need a better limit 4 honest on Demand usrrs & one for others :p: |
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I'm on NTL ianathuth.
The thing is, I don't need it to go any faster, I'm very happy with 750k. But I now have to pay £25 to retain the same usage restriction that I currently have. Can't you see that for some people this change means paying £25 to stay the same as we don't want or need the increased bandwidth. |
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Maybe we should wait and see what NTL have to say about "caps" and whether the £25 admin fee is just to enable you to get the upgrade early.
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You are getting over double the speed with the same cap for a one off charge of £25 what is you problem? Stop moaning about nothing.
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At the end of the day if you do not want to change or upgrade then the simple option it seems - is to do nothing. These speed increases are not being forced on people and existing customers do not have to pay the £25 admin fee if they do not want to upgrade. I for one though am happy with these changes, 512K was priced £24.99 when I got BB 3/4 years ago and In the 1st quarter of 2005 I can get 2MB, almost as four times as fast for the same price. That's not bad for a company, who emerged from Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection not that long ago. :cool: |
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If they increase the speed, keep the price competitive, keep the cap as a threat rather than as a rule, how can anyone be upset.
Even if the 3meg isnt for everyone, its a poke in the eye for most other isp's and being able to compete by having one of the fastest speeds available in the uk will not hurt ntl's image. ;) |
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When i saw the speeds my jaw dropped, then i saw the caps and my heart sank. I hope, badly, that the caps are enforced like they are now (ie not enforced :D).
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I understand what you're saying. Its not really possible to do nothing though. It'll cost me more to have 750k than it will cost people to have 1mb. I'll also be on a lower monthy cap than I am on currently. If I upgrade to the new packages in order to downgrade to 1mb it'll cost me £25 and I'll be on a 5gb a month usage restriction. If I upgrade to 2mb in order to keep the same usage restruction it'll cost me £25 to basically stay the same. I don't want to turn this into another lengthy cap debate, but thats more important to me really than any kind of e-p**** speed measurement. |
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this is awesome news, for me on 750kbit I will probably stay on the same 24.99 price but change to the 2mbit package. £25 is well worth it I see little to complain about there. Some questions tho, mick and I know there is no answers yet.
1 - Will upload speed be increased on 24.99 tier? 2 - How is the traffic enforcement going to work (same as now or strict limits with overage fee's) |
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At the end of the day while there are a fair few unhappy people there must be hundreds of thousands of happy bunnies, otherwise ntl wouldn't be in business? Regarding this issue of £25 admin fee. Again I would point out to people that BT charge similar for service regrades (which are usually a reconfiguration job), also that no-one is forcing you to take these upgraded services. ADSL customers have to pay BT a migration fee. For a total of next to no work, just some ATM config changes. The £25 is IMHO no punishment to current users, to provision new customers costs the same be it at 64k or 3Mbit, to move customers over will require work. If you don't want it don't take it. Personally I think the fastest widely available bb service in the UK for a sub-40 quid a month price point is an absolute bloody steal. I'm rather irritated I can't get it to be honest as it'll be a very long time before BT offer anything similar - last I heard there were no plans at all. |
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Iâ₠¬ÃƒÆ’¢â€žÂ¢m interested to read the news speed bands, I was delighted with my free upgrade to 300K which made my BB experience a lot better. 1MB for £17.99 sounds good to me :) even with that 5GB cap but then again I only browse the net , e-mail, and play the odd game so I should be fine.
I might not upgrade right off as £25 sounds a bit high to administer :td: itââ‚ ¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢s another £25 Iâ₠¬ÃƒÆ’¢â€žÂ¢d have to find over everything else and Iâ₠¬ÃƒÆ’¢â€žÂ¢m in no rush. Iâ₠¬ÃƒÆ’¢â€žÂ¢m the poor fool who paid £50 installation cost for my BB then the next month it was free. |
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It strikes me that in typical NTL fashion this hasn`t been thought through particularly well. As pointed out earlier, I could just downgrade a tier, pay less money and still get a speed increase to offset against the costs of then going back up to 3Mb. With the upgrade from 1Mb to 1.5Mb this was simply making a change in a config file and then the new cable modem picking it up the next time it is rebooted. If the administration fee is valid for the new upgrades it would have been valid then, but they didn`t charge it before. All NTL are doing is tweaking a config file that is sitting on a server, I rebooted the cable modem myself to pick it up, so now work was done specifically for me. As NTL claim they have 1,000,000 broadband customers now, this seems to me nothing than a cheap trick to try and rake in a quick £25mill ion. |
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Hang on why should I pay for 750k (at 24.99 per month) when a new customer gets 2mb FOR THE SAME PRICE! This is complete $h1te. Yes they could have increased the prices, but people would leave ntl like rats leaving a sinking ship. Come on ntl, it would cost virtually nothing to treat your LOYAL customers who have been with you for years! |
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I just found this on driverheaven, by the way whats Up with this USAGE ALLOWANCE :mad: , that sounds a lot like metering to me. Im definitely going to need more then 40gb a month.
*£17.99 per month: ntl 1Mb Broadband (monthly usage allowance 5GB) will offer super speed broadband for 60p a day. For the same price BT Broadband offers a basic 512K service with 1GB usage allowance. *£24.99 per month: ntl 2Mb Broadband (monthly usage allowance 30GB) will operate at a stunning speed, but at a price thatâ₠¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s in line with most 512K ADSL services. For the same price BT Broadband offers a 512K service with 15GB usage allowance *£37.99 per month: ntl 3Mb Broadband (monthly usage allowance 40GB) will operate at up to 60 times faster than dial up services. BT and Wanadoo do not provide 2Mb or 3Mb services. My apologies if any of this has already been posted. |
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Hang on, before I have a heart attack wrongly, did someone say that NTL are going to offer 3Mb for £38 a month? really?
If so call an ambulance. Finally NTL leading the field, again, kudos to them if its pulled off. PS : I certainly dont mind paying £25 for it either, thats not even a months rate for double the speed, good value in my book. |
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