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I agree. It's bad that people see the death of one person as somehow being more serious, or more important than another. Suicide (or any form of death) is bad. Period. People's gender, sexuality, age, or race is irrelevant.

The only people who those facts may be relevant to are the people investigating the circumstances of the death (be they police, prison guards or whatever). Even suicides need to be investigated..

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Don't get me wrong, the reasons as to why people commit suicide in jail should be investigated and the increased risk of women (0.209% versus 0.127%), should be a factpr, but it is the fact when it comes to do sometrhing, they only aim it at women.

There was a mother who was campaigning for better jails after her daughter commited suicide. She was completely focused about women. She obviously doesn't respect the pain a mother would feel if she lost her son to suicide in jail.

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True. Not sure I put it well, but that's basically what I am saying. To those investing the suicide, the gender of the person who died is relevant. To most other people, it shouldn't really be relevant.

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There have been many studies completed on suicide and deaths of prisoners in custody....... as this report (see attached) suggests, the focus has usually been on male prisoners because they constitute the majority, so perhaps you're over exaggerating the significance of studies on women only prisoners :shrug: I'm not sure that anyone has been excluded but it might be more of a case of trying to get a more rounded view.
Oh i don't know........ just got home and to honest i don't care ;)

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Yeah that is just as bad. I think anything should be done holistically rather than just targeting specific groups. I appreciate what you are saying. Maybe because that report is australian, that things are different down there. It isn't always all about women, as it is sometimes down to race instead of sex. The program just aggravated me a bit. The same thing happened again a few days ago in that US prison thread. I think it is because women have all these rights and monitoring groups behind them, coupled with a revered place in society. Maybe I am making a big deal out of it, but right or wrong it aggravated me. I hate men, or anyone being marginalised just as the women were back in the 50s too.

Edit: My typing sucks lately.

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Don't get me wrong Punky :) I couldn't agree with you more........ i was only making a suggestion as to why more specific studies are done in general. The document i used was Australian but i posted it not because it's about female prisoners but because it refers to other studies which are about men. Since all credible research has to be evidence-based if you check the references at the end of the document, it refers back to specific research done in the UK which includes either all prisoners or male specific examples :) If you look at http://cebmh.warne.ox.ac.uk/cebmh/el...ics/index.html it does provide statistics on self-inflicted injuries leading to death for sex and race. Researchers are out there studying those issues that we both think are important and i could post examples (copyright allowing of course ;) ) but i don't want to bore anyone more than i already have :D I'm afraid the Mass Media focuses on issues that fit their agenda, whether it's to do with sensationalism, to create a superficially new groundbreaking piece of news or to fit in with what they think is currently already news :shrug:
While television is the main source of educational information for the majority...... i'm afraid that some of these programmes may create the false impression that some of these issues are new :( I've seen this many times before and remember thinking "Eh?" but if a television programme hasn't been made about it before then it doesn't exist :shrug:

Punky :tu: I'm not arguing with you...... as i said i agree with you totally, i just think that it's television and the mass media that is the problem not the issue that is portrayed :)

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True.. I can see the need to investigate why certain groups commit suicide, after all, if the authorities can find out what is causing the suicides, they may be able to stop some of them.

I do agree, however, that the media do sensationalise the news, and they certainly prevent certain stories that, while they may not be out and out lies, they do bend the truth a bit. It does sometimes seem that if something happens to a certain group (be it ethnic, gender, age or sexuality), the media sometimes pushes that despite the fact that that person's group may have nothing to do with it.

For example, a woman walks along the street. She is attacked and robbed. The media may well push the fact that she is a woman, and totally ignore the fact that the mugger was going to attack whoever walked by, regardless of gender. I am not saying gender, ethnic group, age or sexuality are never factors in crime. Often they are.

The sad thing is that many people base their opinions of the world on what they see in the media (all forms), so, by manipulating the news (or the way it's covered), the media may be controlling (at least partially) these people's opinions.

Back to the subject in hand: Why is it that women seem to be allowed to say what they want about men, but as soon as men do the same, that's sexist?

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As far as i'm concerned...... men saying what they want about men is just fine and not sexist at all ;) :D

As far as comments being deemed sexist or any other ist or not........ i believe it has something to do with the power relationship between the two groups involved. However...... as far as i'm concerned..... a sexist comment is a sexist comment from either a man or a woman. A sexist comment isn't dictated by who says it but by what is said.
but then not everyone is pounced on for everything they say whether it's in jest or not........ this forum is an example :)

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Erm, the word "prevent" (highlighted) should say "present"..

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Just as well i misread it then :D

Or we're just on the same ley lines :p:

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Actually, thinking about it, "prevent" and "present" are both quite accurate..