If you could give me a valid reason why it's offensive then I'd consider it.

Within reason? But wait, I thought YOU were in control of your life....if you're in control then there can be no 'within reason'....

Again wait...if you were in control of your own life, then all of that wouldn't matter would it...? Unless some 'higher-power is actually in control?

Darkangel - I removed that link due to the offensive content - please do not link to such sites in future than you very much

yes there can be others can make adverse decisions affecting you humans are free thinkers in the workplace however you can still be sucessful and earn lots of money

if i really wanted to id proberbly get the cash right now and go and find her :D

but ultimatetly it would be her decision and i know it would be wtf hell NO who are you :p

could u give me a reason as to why u find calling religion BS is offensive?
inappropriate by who's standards? are u saying that if that was my religion i do not have the right to post it?

But if you were in control then these others wouldn't have ANY affect on your life :D

Again, if you were in control it wouldn't be HER decision would it??

The term BS is IMO quite offensive. Why? because as a moderator I have been given the authority on here to decide this sort of thing.

Put it this way - I'm sure if there was a poll on nthw.co.uk users on which site they'd rather see links to removed, the one in my sig or the one you posted, which do YOU think you would come first?

i sure that if a muslim site was posted the results would be the same, did u have a look at that site frankly i found it quite funny.
what guidelines are there to posting, surely it's a bit of a conflict of interest to remove things u persoanly find offensive but nobody else ha complained about?

And could you honestly stand by that if you lost someone you loved more than life itself?

lol round and round we go :D :D



one thing i never i said is i can control other people i CAN control my destiny with regards to getting qualifications and a job if i work hard and are intelligent and affectivly control my health

but the fact is its an expression not in the actual vulgar term :D

i didnt see what was in the link though i will say it was it to do with satan endorsing him ?

Don't even start me on this one, it was a rough shift tonight:D

I'm with Kronas on this one though, we do effect our own lives, and do not believe we are controlled by God or a higher power, you effect your own life, it is what you make it.

And Kronas knows how much I hate to agree with him:D

DAMN NOT YOU................... ;)

yep you know what i mean even if others dont :rolleyes:

and about your rough shift get a stiff :beer: down ya on me :D

I'm with you man, everything is OK ;) :p

That site has pure filth on it.

It's moderator's discretion. The people who own this site have decided I have enough responsibility to judge what goes on. If you disagree then take it up with them.

I love God above all.
But God, who IS in control of other people's lives, can make anything happen.

Moderator's decision - nobody is to refer to anyone's religious beliefs as "BS" - if you wish to do so then try it on some other forum.

It was related to satan.

erm so why was it taken down ?

just because you dont agree with satan you think hes evil how about letting others decide what they want to view

using your mod powers to satisfy your own discontent with an issue is wrong IMO and the site was not against TOS

Do you get much exercise jumping to conclusions??

The site has pure filth on it.

Nothing to do with religious beliefs. If you truly want to view it, I suggest you ask Darkangel to PM the address to you but if that url is posted on here the poster WILL have their posting rights disabled.

didn't look at the site before just posted a random link, just flicked through it now but i can't see any pure filth, if i'm wrong i apologise

This I fail to understand, so you could accept the death of your own child believeing that it was gods will?:eek: I could not accept the loss of my son for any reason what so ever, if that was gods way then I'm glad I don't worship him.

I agree with Kronas again ( I have to stop doing that it can't be good for me) but why was the link to the worship of Satan taken down? If it contained anything offensive then I'm sorry and retract this but I have looked a great deal into this worship and found nothing offensive, and even a lot of common sense in it.

Again Russ thanks for partaking in this thread:)

no i dont usally jump to conclusions but its a bit iffy dont you think anyway i shall look at the link.............

:p :p :p

EDIT : Darkangel could you post me the link please if you still have it:)

The people of this site should know how much I love my daughter but it was God who gave her to me. She belongs to Him just as we all do, as children of God.

Don't you get suckered in.

It's getting me knackard!! I want to go to sleep but I just don't know if I can trust this lot alone in this thread with no mods about!!

No he won't post it, but he can PM it to you :)

i was going to comment on this it truely saddens me to think that someone believes in something so much as to make caless comment like that if it means what i think it means :(

see we understand each other :D [/B][/QUOTE]

ditto thanks it has been interesting and thats genuine :)

You really think so? To me it's just gone the same way as all the rest.

well we cant please everyone :rolleyes:


EDIT just seen the link and that site was harmless BS the fact it looked so fictitious and had so much crap written on it makes me think why was it pulled in the first place because it was satan russ ?

Right well I have been put for the evening as I have been busy building my new PC but TBH I am disgusted with the fact that I have just read through an argument where even after being asked nicely not to call people beliefs BS that Kronas has continued to do so. Even when Andre came in and asked that this did not happen Kronas still continued to go on about it. Russ requested that Kronas goes away and sets his own site up to do that on. Kronas is still here going on about it. I find the fact that he has the nerve to call the Christian faith BS and then carry on going on about it very offensive as IMO this is a personal attack as to by strong beliefs. I know that it is not a personal atteck but IMO it is as I have made no secret of the fact that I am a Christian.

For those who say that they do not beleive in things that they cannot see - Do you beleive that the wind exists? Last time I looked I couldn't see it yet I could feel its power and witness it's effects. The same applies with God. You cannot see Him but you can feel His power and whether you like it or not you can see the effect that He has on those who believe in Him.

how can it be a personal attack i merely aimed it at the whole system of religion/belief

Sorry Russ that is what I meant to post but well maybe had one to many bottles of wine after all night in tech support.

Trying to bait me eh Kronas? Won't work.

Just leave them - if they want to believe then they are free to do so: ditto if they choose not to.

im not baiting russ bad choice of words on my part there i have never baited you with that type of intent just discussing debating are we still freinds :p :D :wavey:

STILL friends?? :erm:

Ok, Time for me to voice my opinion.

It can be said that there is no proof that God Exists, though Equally it can be said that there is no proof that he DOESN'T exist.

Christianity spent its early years in Britain denouncing the pagan religions as witchcraft, True Pagan religion worshipped the Earth and all animals and plants on it.

Muslim faiths are often denounced saying that they lead to mutilation etc.

Most people who are critical of religion do not understand the true intent.

Religious books were written by those in "power" within the religion

At the end of the day though, the history of any event is written by the victor, and is unlikely to be unbiased. Organised religion of any faith was originally used as a form of control of the masses.

I have no problem with anyone's beliefs no matter what form they may take, as long as they do not try to impose those beliefs on others, and that includes children.

If a parent wishes their child to follow a particular religion then they should educate the child on multiple religions and allow them to make the choice themselves when they are old enough to do so of their own will. If there IS a god, of whatever denomination I am sure he would not appreciate people who follow him blindly through being "brainwashed" into it without making the conscious choice to do so because that IS what they believe in.

We have freedom to choose what we want, Let us use it. Let religion be a PERSONAL thing, and not something imposed on us.

Humans are a greedy people on the whole, and organised religion contains aspects of that greed. You go to church, you place money in a collection plate... why? god being an omnipotent omniscient entity has no personal use for it. Priests use it to maintain the church, why do they not seek other methods of income? The bible states "blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth" How meek are the priests to relieve their congregation of finances they have worked hard to obtain?

As far as I am aware at no point in any religious guide does it state "You should pay me to worship me, and those who speak for me or claim to, should expect this reward in return for talking to you" Yet we pay, why? because we have been conditioned to do so.

Organised religion corrupts that which was meant to be pure, If you are religious then do so within yourself. Through that alone is it pure.

If you try to convince someone else to become religious without them asking you to explain the belief, then you are corrupting that belief in your own actions.

you know what i mean dont want bad blood and all that :p

where has he said Christianity specify is bs, if your referring to say BS fair enough poor choice of words.#
peterska2 i can feel the wind and know scientific reasons for wind can you give me proof of god

Don't worry Russ.

I'm outta here to go and look after my own site as I have been offline since 8:30 till now and the other mod is away on business so it has been neglected so I could find anything there when I log into it in a min.

I've said my piece on the subject now and unless something major catches my attention I wont be making too many more posts in this thread.

Hello :)

I don't think Kronas did make a personal attatck, as I don't see how an attatck on a belief can personal, to the non believers amongst us it's like saying Man U's football is BS (hey Kronas you know that's true;) ), it was a genralisation and so could in no way be seens as a personal attack.

I do believe in the wind and I have seen it's "powers" but the only powers I have seen of god in mylife time is watching my family die in pain ( don't tell me, they were sinners:rolleyes: ) and TV coverage of innocent people starving to death all over the world. If that's god then I'd say Satan would be closer to the truth.

Hope you new PC went to plan by the way :)

keep saying that and u can settle this argument for us:mad: :D

The difference being we do not need proof.

No, it's because the Bible states we are to give the first 10% of our earnings back to him. I'll try and find the reference. If you think your local church is embezzeling the funds then feel free to report them to the local authority. But contrary to popular belief, not ALL churches are rolling in it. Catholic and C of E churches maybe, but that's a different story....

sorry to hear that :(

they will be provided a better life in heaven once they reach there ;)

Russ, as always I do state that it is a personal belief, and that is not wrong in itself. However the point of putting the 10% of the earnings to him... think about it for a moment.

2000 years ago as the bible was being written currency was not as important as the barter system, People would trade their abilities for goods more than they would pay for them with money. Perhaps the intent of giving 10% to him was more intended as dedicating 10% of your thoughts to him, or performing your work with thoughts of him, to carry him in your heart as you do your daily tasks.

But that ISN'T God, I've already told you that.

isn't god all powerfull why doesn't he stop it then?

Right, I don't have the reference to hand but I was reading it the other day: it does not refer to 10% of your thoughts or anything like that - back in 'those days' most people who earn any money were people who produced things, such as potters, candlemakers, farmers etc and the Bible states they are to give the first 10% of their harvest.

I explained that too.

But maybe for the 2 year old child sitting in the African sand right now, breathing their last breath because they have no food, it's not a good enough reason.

I mean it's all very well saying we are being punished for sins of people ya da ya da yad I can accept that, what I can't accept is the painfull deaths of children so we can be taught a lesson :)

if that two year old was not dying of starvation, who's to say he/she wouldn't not be dying of something else? As I said, when God decides when your deathday is, you go on that day, irrelevant of how it happens.

And these 'painful deaths' AREN'T to teach us a lesson...:confused:

And this was written in a book by people who were only human and could in themselves have written that in as a way to give themselves an income at the expense of others.

An omnipotent omniscient being would have no use for such goods. However a human would.

As you said Russ, there is no person who is without sin, that is a fact of humanity, and when we are dealing with books which are written by humans there is nothing to say that the intent or meaning in the books have not been corrupted over time, no matter how pure the original intent.

Flippin eck you people don't give up!!! The 10% harvest was seen as a symbolic 'sacrifice'. More often than not the goods given would be distributed amongst the needy. It is often said that if you give to charity you are giving to God.

As the comment about paying was also a symbolic comment on how the organisation of religion could be corrupted by human nature....

[edit] don't get me wrong Russ, I am not attacking religion, merely the organisation of it and the elevation of individuals who can be corrupt into positions where the devout refuse to see them as potentially corrupt :D

please russ don't tell me u belive that more often or not it would have gone to fat bishops, priests etc, maybe to a lesser extent these days

how do you know it gets there you have to belive it does?........

i keep forgeting its a belief system :rolleyes:

what lord nikon is saying could be true but i still dont find the reasons millions of inocent lives as 'believeable'

Yes indeed it could. I could also question the need for 'organised religion'.

Well seeing as we have neither priests or bishops in my denomination then I couldn't answer that.

Because it's written in scriptures.

Sorry if I misunderstood but I thought you said this was as we were given freewill this is how they die and he does not intervine, well god, what with him being the big man and all that, could stop this childs death, or adleast let them die with no pain and hurt, but he doesn't.

Sorry but I don't see how the argument stands up, it calls for a lot of faith, no it calls for bline faith to velieve in the bible and what it entails. But htis is just my view on it.

oh...i see so you have never seen it for yourself or even questioned someone in the church about this ?

And scriptures were written by people who were potentially corrupt.....


Belief is a personal thing, it exists in the individual concerned, and there alone is it pure.

If it is written down and handed on then over time it can lose that purity as it is rewritten to be understood by the people it is then given to.

Scriptures are also written by people, and the content may have altered over time.

Let your belief remain in you, where it is pure, where it cannot be contaminated by human nature.

He gives us the choice to either listen to Him or satan. Like in the cartoons where you see an angel on one shoulder and the devil on the other? In a humorous kind of way, that's not far off the truth.

As some of the scriptures were written more than 2000 years ago then I'd say it would be pretty difficult....but yes, we have discussed it in Bible study.

that's why i added the etc would cell leader be a better choice or have i got the wrong religion?

But all that pales in to insignificance when you see similar accounts popping up in other journals and letters written around that time which weren't connected with the Bible.

We have a Pastor and the financial books for our church are open for anyone to see at any time.

i dont actually think those people in precarious situations chose where they want to be they are unfortunate to be caught up in those areas which are poverty stricken

so your going on something somebody told you or cant read :rolleyes:

I know what you mean mate, but that child has never been given a choice have they, so someone completely innocent dies.

That only seems unfair when you look at it in human terms - but the whole heavenly realm is not on human terms! That child may go on to something 1000 times more peaceful, happy and loving that what they had on earth.

edit - it's almost 2am...I'm glad I'm on paternity leave!!! talking of which, I'm sure I left a baby around here somewhere... ;)

im an atheist (i think thats how you spell it)


believe uin god to a degree....

I,e., if he has so much power why cant he stop evil? and war?????



I belive god brings alll your happiness when he chooses (not yours choice) when he has finnishes other jobs.....

So that makes the suffering of the child and their family OK ?

I'm sorry I have been through enough in my life to come to the conclusion that either a) God does not exist or b) he hates me more than he does satan :(

...aaaaand how many times have I answered that tonight???? :spin:

Come on, I never said that.

think it's about time for russ to get some sleep or is it feeding time yet:)
a couple of question.
if your daughter was about to be run over would you let it happen?
if u didn't how would u know if your where going against gods will or fighting Satan, i can all but guarantee if it can down to it you would chose your child over your beliefs

way too many :rolleyes:

well im off

cya all later

goodnight all..................russ;)

I know mate, so then justify to me why "god" did not stop it then.

What a daft question of course I wouldn't.

You're not making too much sense there but if I read you correctly, God will not take a life that way, and some advice for you, do not pressume to know me and my relationship with God.

You've done it a few times tonight and been wrong each time.

(sigh) I don't know. I don't have all the answers but what I DO know is that it is not His will to cause pain or harm to an innocent.

My thoughts drift at this point to Atlantis.
On all accounts Atlanteans were a highly developed race with incredibly advanced technology, and this information occurs in many places around the world.
Beyond this there is the existance of UFOs, could it not be HYPOTHETICALLY possible that the being percieved as Jesus was someone who posessed advanced technology? We can cure many diseases now that 2000 years ago would have killed, using such technology to cure those diseases would be percieved as miracles.

Now, I am not saying that this is the truth, as we have no way to say for certain, I am however saying that as accounts are passed down through the millenia that those accounts, in the hands of men and women who themselves may be corrupt, that those could be changed. It is all down to what each of us, as individuals believe.

Reading the bible you can easily interpret some parts as referring to extraterrestrial existance though....

heavenly realms has always referred historically to the stars, could they not be percieved as a warning that while good exists beyond this, our planet, there is also evil there?

Simple to answer that one.

As humans, if you read the bible etc you find that we were given the freedom to choose the paths our lives take, If God was to intervene and put an end to war, then he would be removing that choice from us. It is up to humanity as a whole to evolve and develope beyond the point where war exists. And it must be our choice to do so.

So what about such documents as Caeser's diaries which make references to Jesus, whilst having no real connection with the Bible?

And actually I'm willing to believe there may be life on other planets. I wouldn't want to meet them but it's possible that because it's not mentioned in the Bible doesnt mean they're not there, after all, God created the heavens and the earth.

Russ, this page is also interesting...

http://www.20kweb.com/weird_stuff/bi...o_gallery.html

It shows depictions throughout history of what could be termed UFOs appearing in pictures within bibles produced at that time.
a 1710 painting of John the baptist with a UFO above him, a 1501 botticeli showing a saucer above the stable, etc etc

Again, it doesn't detract from the content of the bible, but would seem to lend a visual slant on the possibility of advanced technology being in play more than miracles.

Having said that though Russ, there is one miracle which cannot be explained through Technology, and that is the miracle of life.

Congratulations on the daughter :)

Oh don't worry, I'm sure some idiot will have a try of that.... :rolleyes:

I'm off to bed. Behave people.

Russ, you seem to get asked that question regularly in these sorts of threads..

It may have already happened to a small degree.

A scientist has built a robot with of dish a neurons from a rat brain for a brain..

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3096973.stm

Do you believe in air?

Russ, I just caught up on this thread, and Noticed somehting that again has sparked my curiosity.
Firstly can I apologise in advance because I dont mean to keep putting you on the spot like this......but.

You say our life here isnt actually ours, its Gods.
But thats according to your religion, what about people of differing religions that dont beleive in christendoms version of God? Are their lives still owned by your God, or are they indeed as I like ot think, their own lives......perhaps if they are religious watched over and guided by their deity?

Dont get me wrong I uderstand that a lot of religions follow the same GOD, but some have several gods, and some worshipped deities long before Christ announced he was the son of the one all powerfull God that demanded people worshipped no other "false" god......therefor belittling other older religions.

No need to apologise!!

Satan was put on the earth to be given the opportunity to test us. God loves it when we choose Him but especially when confronted by a choice, and that's where the evil one comes in. Satan's plan is to pull us away from God's plan by any means neccessary and if that includes setting up another religion then so be it. It's perfectly feasible that these other religions do a LOT of good work for charity and are otherwise very nice people, but due to their nature of their beliefs they will never give their lives to God which ultimately is what Satan wants.

You see. You just can't derail a true believer. :)

As some philosopher once said, you can't prove, or disprove, the existance of God by logic.

Just like God. Omnipotent. :)

Oh am I now?? Well how did I manage to father a baby then eh???

Ohhhh, you said omnipotent....my bad...

Indeed. Have more faith in your faith. (Even though I think you're mistaken. Which is my perogative, I believe.)

Have more faith?!? I don't think I could get any more :D

IMO russ can believe what he wants even though most of us know hes outrightly wrong :p ;)

We'll see :)

I wasn't going to get involved in this thread, but I *cannot* sit here and let a piece of sanctimonious nonsense like this go past!

What you are saying is "You must do must do it *this* way and this way *alone*, because, out of all the multitude of faiths and beliefs and billions of people out there *WE AND WE ALONE HAVE THE TRUTH* and if you don't do it the way we tell you, you're damned!"

That is the utmost *height* of arrogance and implies that the God you believe in has the attitude and behaviour of a *spoiled child*!

You claim to have the "one true answer", ignoring the fact that there are plenty of other religions out there who *also* claim to have exactly the same thing, yet you cannot see the logical conclusion that follows that if you say *they* are wrong, and they say *you* are wrong, possibly you're *both* wrong!

You sit there smug in your self-righteousness because you know *you're* ok and are quite content to damn everyone else. Forget Christian charity or forgiveness, if they don't do it the right way, they're stuffed.

Frankly I'd be happy if you wake up after you're dead to find that Mumbo Jumbo, God of the Congo is actually The One True God, but as far as I'm concerned, this world is it, it's not a rehearsal, so I'm going to make sure that I try to make people happy and not cause people unnecessary suffering instead of saying "well if you're suffering it's because God wants you to!"

Religion? You can keep it!

Very good Graham, I'm not sure if that was an attempt to wind me up but it certainly tickled me :D

Show me a faith which doesn't share this ideal.

No no, what *would* be arrogance would be to criticise people for choosing other religions, for physically/verbally attacking followers of other faiths. Have I ever done this?

Of course I feel I have the "one true answer" as you call it, this has come from the many experiences I've had since becomming a Christian. Naturally if someone else thinks their own chosen path is also the "right way" then I'm going to disagree with them but I'd still have 100% respect for them and any comfort their beliefs bring them, just as I'd expect from you towards myself.

Any particular need to get offensive with me? Any particular need to impose your beliefs on me? Go take them elsewhere my friend!

Thank you, I'm glad you think so highly of me.

Thanks!! I will! But at the same time I won't get offensive or ram my beliefs down anyone's throat as you have done. I don't preach, convert or try to make others agree with me, I simply answer the questions people put to me. If individuals don't like my answers then maybe they should ask those who pose the questions to stop doing so.

If you wish to argue you can PM me or take it to MSN messenger. You don't have to agree with my faith, I'm not out to score converts but whatever you believe, that's between you and God.

If theres one thing I've learnt it's to not even try to argue religion with a true believer:)
There was the time I decided to get really picky with some Hare Krishna's and their beliefs. They wriggled and squirmed but wouldn't budge an inch, even though they were spouting absolute (imo) boll*cks:D

but it makes a good discussion ramrod :)

russ:if it's not to personal a question & u don't mind me asking what made u become a christian?

isn't that something christians are supposed to do?

we argued with jehovah's witnesses on many occasions... suppose it doesnt really apply as they are annoyances really arent they.

i know a fair few people who are beginning to look upon buddhism now though because they can have the peace and all that of a religion without having to worship a god as such. i still question it slightly but hey if it makes em happy they can do whatever they want...

after my RE lessons at school i also personally think buddhism has the best ideas etc but hey this is just me

it was "preaching gods word" or something wasnt it? they thought it was right and all these tribal people on the weird little pacific islands were butchers etc cos of their culture so of course they were wrong. maybe im wrong i dunno about history etc all i know about is people getting eaten in fiji...

I was brought up as a Catholic but left the faith when I was 18 as I felt it was doing nothing for me. I still believed in God but somehow all the rules and regulation just didn't seem right for me. I always wanted to return to religion in some way and was just waiting for the right time.

In february of last year I met a student nurse from London who was a Christian and to cut a long story short, I knew this was the opportunity I was waiting for. I went along to her church which was very different to the catholic ways and I knew instantly that this was for me. I then became a Christian on august 26th last year and have not looked back since.

Yes it is, and I kind of do it in my own way. Instead of going out and preaching (or as many people see it, hassling), I just make sure everyone knows I'm a Christian and if they want to know more, they can approach me to discuss it. That way I guess I could be seen as 'looking for converts' but they are coming to me, so no-one can accuse me of hassling them. Some people just don't wish to know and I'm leaving them well alone.

Graham, while I personally don't agree with the idea of God and the various faiths all telling us we should live one way or another, we do all have the right to our beliefs.

I have discussions with Russ on religion in a few threads on here and nthw.com, and I can honestly say, I have never seen him try to convert anyone. When asked about his beliefs, he usually seems to answer that they are the right beliefs for him.

I'm interested to note that you will laugh at other people's opinions simply because they don't agree with you.

However that was not an attempted "wind up", that was a statement of my opinion. I can't help it if you don't like it.

Which rather goes to prove my point!

If you *all* claim to be right and you *all* say that everyone else is wrong, the logical conclusion is inescapable for anyone who is willing to open their mind.

Sorry, did I *completely* misread the following???:

"Satan's plan is to pull us away from God's plan by any means neccessary [...] due to their nature of their beliefs they will never give their lives to God which ultimately is what Satan wants"

You are *ATTACKING* every other religion and every other believer of those religions by saying that, because they're not doing it *your* way (which is, of course, "God's plan") they are doing *SATAN'S* work!!

That's why you say they're doing Satan's work, is it? Just checking...

Offensive? ROFL!

I think your views and smug and self-righteous and I will say so as much as I want. I am not "imposing" that belief on you, I am telling you that is what I think of what you have said.

I will not "take them elsewhere", I will post them in here because I have every damn right to say them in here.

If you can't stand someone criticising your views, *don't* express them in a public forum where they are subject to the scrutiny of others!

Ah, the sweet smell of hypocrisy!

You have been shoving your beliefs all over this forum for the last hundred or so messages, but when someone else expresses a different opinion, suddenly you want them to shut up!

Matthew 7:1-5

You just imply they're doing the devil's work. Nice of you...

No, I will post in a public forum because you are posting in a public forum. If you wish to take this discussion to PM or messenger or anywhere else, that's entirely your right, but whilst you post in public I will *reply* in public!

Gosh, thanks, that's so kind of you (that's sarcasm, by the way)

Actually it's between me and my conscience if it's all the same with you.

And I have *NEVER* said anywhere that he cannot or should not hold his beliefs!

However as I have said already and will keep saying, if he is going to express them in public I am going to question them in public.

That is, after all, what discussion forums are for, isn't it?

Simple then: don't get involved with religion.

No you did not misread it. I was asked a question and I gave the answer. No need to offensive just because you disagree.

Yes. Your tone has been little short of sharpe AND offensive. There are plenty of people on this site who disagree with me yet fail to come at me with an 'attitude'.

Funny who no-one else on here seems to share your view. And you will tone down your attitude on this site. We may be relaxed but personal attacks are not tolerated. You are free to disagree with anything I do or say but there are mature *grown up* ways of doing it.

I can take criticism from all angles, what I won't take is someone being offensive seemingly for the sake of it.

Oh really? Well have another little read through the thread. All I do is answer people's questions. You call that ramming my beliefs down people's throats? Well ask people such as Scastle and Darkangel to stop asking me questions.

Yeah right whatever.
I'm choked for you.

You're welcome.

So you do have one then.

Expressing my beliefs? No no, it's called "answering questions that people put to me".

Graham Graham, this is a discussion forum which thrives on people with opposing views on subjects. What makes this site a success (and it's predecessor) is that although debates can get heated, we respect each other's views. There may very well be a day where someone posts something which we will all disagree with but what we do is deal with it in a mature way, not resort to schoolground bickering.

Enough!!!!!

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