Re: 2004 US Presidential Election
 

A typically right wing attack on the person rather than the issue

Dont like moores movie? = attack more personally

Hate Clinton? = Just attack his personality

Support Bush? = DOnt address the issues, just attack kerry personnally

This should be a election on the issue, if the republicans cannot win a agurment purely based on the issues then dont attack kerry personnaly.

When the debate comes in october what is bush going to do? He cant use personal attacks then!

http://www.johnkerry.com/index.html
http://www.georgewbush.com/

Look at the two sites! Kerrys talks about all the issues and what he will do if elected. Bushs site has attack after attack on john kerry. Look at the main page, only once does kerrys site mention bush. Bushs site mentions kerry personally over 7 times!

The adverts that kerry makes talk about him and the issues. Bushs adverts are all negative

This is a typically way Bush and this party approch the election. Kerry trys to fight the election on the issues
Bush trys to fight the elections by making negitive & personnal attacks

Re: 2004 US Presidential Election
 

Yes. I'm attacking him personally. Why? Because I don't like a man that can't make up his mind. How are we supposed to talk about the issues if he takes 4,393,483 different positions on all issues?

So? What about that? We all know where Bush sits on most issues. We see it every day. Kerry, on the other hand, we see changing positions as the weather changes. Bad.

You apparently haven't seen the attack ads from the Democrats. Go to their media page and look at some of the TV commercials. Just as much bite in them as Bush's.

You are very ignorant.

And, it is hilarious to see you defend Kerry as "taking a position." OK then. Was he for the war or not?

Re: 2004 US Presidential Election
 

Just out of curiousity and totally off topic, didn't I see you on Louis meets the Nazis last night? ;)

Re: 2004 US Presidential Election
 

What is that? And if you think I'll ever join a National Socialist Party, you're very much mistaken.

Re: 2004 US Presidential Election
 

What are you views on Tom Metzger?

Re: 2004 US Presidential Election
 

I don't know who that is.


---
John Kerry

Voted against the Iraq war,
Before he was for the Iraq war,
Before he voted for the Iraq war,
Before he was against the Iraq war,
Before he voted for funding the Iraq war,
Before he voted against funding.

Re: 2004 US Presidential Election
 

I think it just shows that he tried to think about the complexities of the situation. I don't like oppertunism but I don't mind a politition who unsure about things and thinks things through.

Re: 2004 US Presidential Election
 

what I find with this Bush v's kerry thing is this:-

Here in the UK we are hearing a hell of a lot about Kerry, last time we heard so much about the "other" person was when bush cheated to get into the whitehouse anyway.

Still, look at the UK's politics, we can have a ruling government that doesnt get even 40% of votes, thats corruption for you.

Re: 2004 US Presidential Election
 

Clinton awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Yugoslavia - liberals: good...
Bush awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Iraq - liberals: bad...

Clinton spends 77 billion on war in Serbia - liberals: good...
Bush spends 87 billion in Iraq - liberals: bad...

Clinton imposes regime change in Serbia - liberals: good...
Bush imposes regime change in Iraq - liberals: bad...

Clinton bombs Christian Serbs on behalf of Muslim Albanian terrorists - liberals: good...
Bush liberates 25 million from a genocidal dictator - liberals: bad...

Clinton bombs Chinese embassy - liberals: good...
Bush bombs terrorist camps - liberals: bad...

Clinton commits felonies while in office - liberals: good...
Bush lands on aircraft carrier in jumpsuit - liberals: bad...

Clinton says mass graves in Serbia - liberals: good...
Entire world says WMD in Iraq - liberals: bad...

No mass graves found in Serbia - liberals: good...
No WMD found Iraq - liberals: bad...

Stock market crashes in 2000 under Clinton - liberals: good...
Economy slows under Bush - liberals: bad...

Clinton refuses to take custody of Bin Laden - liberals: good...
World Trade Centers fall under Bush - liberals: bad...

Clinton says Saddam has nukes - liberals: good...
Bush says Saddam has nukes - liberals: bad...


Clinton calls for regime change in Iraq - liberals: good...
Bush imposes regime change in Iraq - liberals: bad...

Terrorist training in Afghanistan under Clinton - liberals: good...
Bush destroys training camps in Afghanistan - liberals: bad...

Milosevic not yet convicted - liberals: good...
Saddam turned over for trial - liberals: bad...

Re: 2004 US Presidential Election
 

Anything vaguely in favour of Bush - Jerrek: Good.

Anything vaguely against Bush - Jerrek: Bad.

Supposition, hearsay, innuendo - Jerrek: Good.

Facts, cites, proof - Jerrek: Bad...

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Re: 2004 US Presidential Election
 

Most Democrat candidates received a bump after the Democrat National Convention. Historically,

Jimmy Carter in 1976: 16 points

Walter Mondale in 1984: 16 points

Michael Dukakis in 1988: 11 points

Bill Clinton in 1992: 30 points

Al Gore in 2000: 19 points


Well, what about Kerry? Read this.

However, earlier:

So kerry got the smallest ever bounce, and then fell.


This is the highpoint. From here on, the Democrats are going down. That is my prediction.



Democrat senator Zell Miller (D-GA) wrote this...

(extracts, emphasis added)



How about the wives?

http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/28359.htm


Kerry is having problems. :) :D :D

Re: 2004 US Presidential Election
 

Wait, I thought BBC was supposed to be unbaised and neutral? Or perhaps they are simply not covering Bush? I thought they're supposed to cover news so extensively? And now you tell me you can't even get news on what is happening in America?

OMG

Re: 2004 US Presidential Election
 

It seems Kerry, a supporter of the assault weapon ban law, is relucant to vocally voice his support.

http://www.thehill.com/news/072904_late/guns.aspx

So now Kerry is sitting between a rock and a hard place. If he doesn't put more effort into pleasing the anti-gun folks, they will get annoyed with him and perhaps withdraw their support. If he does, even more of the folks in the middle will see that the NRA is upset and move to the right. He can't please both.

According to Bill Clinton, what did the assault weapon ban cost the Democrats in the 1990s?

http://www.nraila.org/media/play_w_politics.gif

Re: 2004 US Presidential Election
 

There's been a lot of news about Kerry because of the Democrat Party's Convention.


I'm sure when the Republican Convention takes place, there'll be plenty of news about that & Bush.

Re: 2004 US Presidential Election
 

They are suppose to carry news the public are interested in or in public interest. It isn't our election so they aren't required to carry anything at all.

Re: 2004 US Presidential Election
 

We don't let chav **** have assult rifles, when are you guys going to realise there's a very good reason for it :D

Re: 2004 US Presidential Election
 

OK, how stupid and hypocrital can Kerry be?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,127704,00.html


There we have Kerry bashing away Bush as "asleep" on intelligence. The fact is, as a Senate Intelligence Committee member, he missed 38 of 49 intelligence meetings in eight years.

Who is the problem?

Re: 2004 US Presidential Election
 

The original statement merely pointed out the fact that we are getting a lot of coverage about Kerry, there is nothing in that statement from which you can draw a conclusion regarding the coverage about Bush.

With spin and distortion skills such as yours I`m forced to wonder whether you haven`t been taking lessons from Michael Moore.

Re: 2004 US Presidential Election
 

So you lambast Kerry for flip-flopping on a stance, then take great pleasure in pointing out the cost to the Democrats of not flip-flopping on a stance. Somewhat contradictory stances, I feel. Besides, better to stand up for your beliefs than to be dictated to by a bunch of gun-nuts in the hills.

Re: 2004 US Presidential Election
 

Who gives a damn? They aren`t running for President, and if this is such an important issue in the campaign process perhaps everyone over there should grow up a little and start to focus on serious issues.

Re: 2004 US Presidential Election
 

Maybe I am missing something, but didn't YOU start the thread to talk about the US election? Or was it just to slag off the democrats in general, and Kerry in particular?

I don't think anyone has actually tried to tell you how to vote (nor should we, it's your vote, your business, not ours).

You appear to be trying to tell us to vote for Bush (although we can't actually vote in the US or Canada so that is ultimately pointless).

However, we do reserve the right to disagree with you. This is a discussion forum after all.

Re: 2004 US Presidential Election
 

That's probably because not enough people are interested :shrug:

Re: 2004 US Presidential Election
 

Just for Jerrek

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/kerryedwards.php

Florida pushes to avoid 2000 election scandal
 

Florida has decided to invest in expensive state-of-the-art electronic voting machines in a bid to avoid the fiasco caused in 2000 when the election was 'rigged' as the man to announce the state winner obviously declared his first cousin (George W Bush) as the new president without actually taking any votes into consideration.
With this new electronic system in operation certain activists are damanding for all machines to give out a reciept to voters to make it fair, even though recently it has been reported the machines have a software problem which affects the vote-counting and there is also a great security risk of hackers.

The world cannot afford another presidential disaster, let's just hope this time they get it right!!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3774227.stm

Re: Florida pushes to avoid 2000 election scandal
 

It would prolly help if they didnt illegally strike thousands of black and hispanic voters for the electoral role. Just because they had a name or date of birth similar to a convicted felon.

Re: 2004 US Presidential Election
 

More election goodness... (television ad video)

http://humaneventsonline.com.edgesui...video_wmv.html

Re: 2004 US Presidential Election
 

D I L L I G A F

Re: 2004 US Presidential Election
 

I know I have posted this link before, but I still think this is funny.

You need quicktime to view it.

On a serious note: Does any politician in America actually fight elections in the issues? I see a lot of personal attacking from both sides, but the closest I have seen to any fighting on the issues is John Kerry saying he does/does not (delete as applicable) support the war.

Re: 2004 US Presidential Election
 

exactly they aren't electing a member of the family, they electing a leader of the country, so I don't care if they flip flop, or look french or once drove into a hedge drunk, I care about their policies.

Re: 2004 US Presidential Election
 

Good point. Politics should be about issues and policies. Sadly, recently, our Government appear to have followed the American idea (attack the person, their policies don't matter as long as you make them look bad).

Re: 2004 US Presidential Election
 

Bush: We all know where he stands on all issues. He does not make it a secret. He does not negotiate. You can call up any issue and I will tell you exactly where he stands.

He does not need to show people what his policies are. We already know. That gives him the ability to critisize Kerry's positions.

Bush has several ads that bring up Kerry's voting record to inform people of what he did. For example, this one:
mms://media4.streamtoyou.com/gwb/FamilyPriorities_256k.wmv

People that support Kerry in these actions would not take it as a negative ad.

This one is a little more on the offense, critisizing Kerry for missing 2/3 of all Senate votes. I mean, what kind of a person can miss 2/3 of his work and still be employed???
mms://media4.streamtoyou.com/gwb/priorities_256k.wmv

If this isn't attacking issues, then I don't know what is:
mms://media4.streamtoyou.com/gwb/troubling_256k.wmv
mms://media4.streamtoyou.com/gwb/wacky_256k.wmv
mms://media4.streamtoyou.com/gwb/Troops-FogBCTV-010_256k.wmv


The problem with Kerry is, that apart from his voting record in the Senate, we have NO IDEA what his positions are.

Can anyone tell me here: did he support the war, or not? What is his stance on abortion? And, what is his stance on taxes?

Re: 2004 US Presidential Election
 

exactly why the BBC aren't going on about him.

Re: 2004 US Presidential Election
 

So much for fair and balanced.

Re: 2004 US Presidential Election
 

President Bush? ;)

Doesn't he have a habit of going on vacation a lot?

OK, it's not as much as 2/3, but apparently he spent 40% of his 1st year in office on vacation.

And, he has spent more time away so far than 3 of the 4 previous presidents (Clinton, Reagan, Carter).

http://www.counterbias.com/017.html

Democrat Convention - lots of Kerry coverage

I'm sure there will be more Bush coverage when the Republican Convention takes place.

Re: 2004 US Presidential Election
 

As I said before it is not our election the BBC are not required to make a cause for each political party for each country, it would be impossible as some countries have much more than 2 parties.

In this case John Kerry is new and milding interesting because he is running against Bush, who is very well known now. The British already know what Bush stands for but not Kerry, it is an educational exercise rather than political advertising.

Re: 2004 US Presidential Election
 

And being away on vacation means ... you can't get the job done? Doubtful. I couldn't care how much vacation someone takes, but get the damn job done. Kerry can take all the vacations he want, but REPRESENT your damn state!

Re: Florida pushes to avoid 2000 election scandal
 

The problem was Americans are unable to punch a hole in a piece of paper. Thousands were rejected because the holes wern't inisde the box properly or half-punched.

If someone has been taken off the electoral roll, wether it is with paper, or computer they won't be able to vote obviously.

Re: Florida pushes to avoid 2000 election scandal
 

Dont you hate it when you're chads hand out all over the place. ;) :disturbd:

Re: Florida pushes to avoid 2000 election scandal
 

Ehh???? :confused:

Re: [merged] 2004 US Presidential Election
 

I've just seen The Manchurian Candidate 2004. I'm a bit worried now. Is anyone else thinking we should seriously start scanning John Kerry for implants? :D

Think about it. His entire presidential campaign is based on one wartime act of bravery (pulling someone out of the water under fire), Meryl Streep's character is an exact clone of Hilary Clinton. Manchurian Global could be very easily be everyone's favourite capitalist venture baddie group, the Carlyle Group.

Makes you wonder doesn't it? :D

Re: [merged] 2004 US Presidential Election
 

Anyone else remember Spitting Image's "The President's Brain is Missing"?

Yoohoo, Mr Bush...!

Re: [merged] 2004 US Presidential Election
 

The thing that is a tad worrying is that Bush's whole campain is the war on terror and kerrys whole campain is that hes not bush.

Still kerry not being bush is good enough for me!

US presidential elections
 

Hi all

Any idea of the exact date of the US presidential elections this year

Thanks

Re: US presidential elections
 

Sorry, no idea. They are usually in November I think, but other than that I don't know.

Re: US presidential elections
 

2nd of November with the new president being sworn in on the 20th of Jan

Re: US presidential elections
 

Many thanks

Re: [merged] 2004 US Presidential Election
 

As a reminder, the US election debates are on tonight.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3703756.stm

Should be good/interesting.

Re: [merged] 2004 US Presidential Election
 

I dare say I will be called a right-wing-nut-job, but I found this and thought it was hilarious.

http://images.radcity.net/5145/792261.mp3

Kerry is nothing if not versatile :)

Re: [Merged] 2004 US Presidential Election
 

Heh, there's speculation that Bush was "wired" during the 1st debate...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselection...323334,00.html


I've not seen the recent 2nd debate yet. Be interesting to see how both of them did in it. Another win for Kerry, or will Bush have performed better this time?

Re: [Merged] 2004 US Presidential Election
 

Whenever Bush is involved there are always conspiracy theories around. Let's face it, in the first debate he was comprehensively beaten by Kerry (it changed a 5 point deficit into a 3 point lead for Kerry), it hardly did him any good.

I saw the second presidential debate. Bush was much better. They were both pretty close, but I think Kerry edged it IMO. Not by much, if any. Seems like Bush learnt his lesson from the first one.

The vice presidential debate was good though. So good that some people seem to think like I do that they should be running for president instead of Bush and Kerry. I thought Edwards was better than Kerry in the nominations anyway, but Kerry only beat him because Edwards lacked experience. Seems like a reasonable enough bloke though.

Re: [Merged] 2004 US Presidential Election
 

If bush was wired during the first debate he has some crappy advisors although there were some odd responses

Re: [Merged] 2004 US Presidential Election
 

http://nyc.indymedia.org/newswire/di...5456/index.php

He had 30 secounds left, had not not to hurried by anyone ..... why the 'let me fiinish' and the stuttering

There is a clear retangle bulge in his jacket

THe white house have called them photos fake until it was seen on TV footbage and now they are not commenting

In the last debate keyy patted bush on the back in the exact some location as the reported transmitter

THe bush camp said they didnt want any camras behind the candidates although fox news did do that which is where the pictures are

Seems like it might well be true, what happens if it was true?

Re: [Merged] 2004 US Presidential Election
 

Is that an earpiece in your pocket or are you just pleased to see me? ;)

American election
 

The result of the American election in less than three weeks could have huge consequences for the whole world. Yet those of us outside the 50 states have had no say in it. Until now, that is.

he he he :D

Link

and the responses

Link

Re: American election
 

I saw that before :D

I don't like Bush, but I do think it was a stupid thing to do. Personally, if it was the other way round, the American media, I would take offense at it and say something similar to those comments.

By the way, I hope everyone starts to brush/floss their teeth now that we've been shown up ;) :D

Re: American election
 

And another response summarised as, "we are stupid bit we don't care":
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,135823,00.html

Re: American election
 

pfft america seem to like interferes with out countrys goverments if it suits them.....

ok that was cheap :D

Re: American election
 

It should be noted that the text in the links in the 1st post contains some bad langauge

Re: American election
 

Where do they get this bad yellow teeth thing from anyway?

have you also noticed how all the ones who dissagreed with this insisted on swearing and resorting to stupid stereotypes?

Re: American election
 

Wonderful! The responses are fairly typical of what I'd expect...but one made me smile.....

An American with a sense of irony...now there's a thing!

Two words... yeah baby!

Re: [Merged] 2004 US Presidential Election
 

OK, I have re-written this for about the 6th time (hopefully to avoid getting red-repped). I am trying not to deliberately attack anyone, but it is hard...

But here we go again. Never under-estimate the inflated self-importance/arrogance/superiority complex/ego of people. This is as bad, or worse than that other Guardian article a while back "Americans are too stupid to vote for the right leader". I was ashamed of my country then, and I am ashamed now. If someone wants to vote for Bush, fine. If someone wants to vote for Kerry, equally fine. It is their choice, not mine to make, no matter how clever I think I am. Same goes for all other Brits.

Re: [Merged] 2004 US Presidential Election
 

It's a difficult subject punky (don't worry no red coming from me)!

I think it is very arrogant of the Grauniad [sic] but I also think it was somewhat light-hearted (at least I hope so).

That said, Americans (at the risk of classifying an entire nation) are far more insular than many other nationalities. More generally this particularly effects the more rural areas and places like the Deep South. There is a more serious underlying message that the Guardian is sending in that many Americans simply don't understand the consequences of foreign policies.

Don't get me wrong, this isn't their fault, it's all about what they are fed. I lived in the US for six months and I really struggled to get balanced news coverage but more worrying was the virtual lack of pretty much all foreign news.

It's a chicken and egg situation, in that people don't ask for it so the networks don't give it, so the people don't ask for it.

America is only really waking up to the fact that there is a world outside of their continent...bear in mind the current President didn't even have a passport before taking office - likewise most Americans also don't have a passport. Again, not their fault - everything they need (climate, commerce, etc) is contained at home - and if it's not then it's available over the borders in Mexico or Canada (and you don't need a passport to go there).

You're right though Punky, it is their choice to make - but they need to be aware of possible consequences of making that choice. It's never our place to tell anyone (at home or abroad) who to vote for.

Re: [Merged] 2004 US Presidential Election
 

On a separate note...someone sent this to me today...very funny

http://www.boomchicago.nl/Section/Vi...oVotingMachine

Re: [Merged] 2004 US Presidential Election
 

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...ullandbones_dc

Now a big deal was made of Bush being in there, but first I have heard of Kerry being involved. So much for a conservative media. And to think, that come next Jan, on of those nutcases will be in charge of the US :disturbd:

Re: [Merged] 2004 US Presidential Election
 

I knew for ages about kerry being in skill and bones, it was covered long before he came to be the nominne

Re: [Merged] 2004 US Presidential Election
 

The Bush campaign continues to use fear.... http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselection...334228,00.html

Re: [Merged] 2004 US Presidential Election
 

They are both as bad as one another. Both equally say that the other won't protect the country as well as they could.

Re: [Merged] 2004 US Presidential Election
 

While negative campaigning is unfortunately a common thing with both sides, I think the Republicans have been doing it more than the Democrats. Cheney has even said that if Kerry is elected it *will* lead to a major attack on US soil.

Re: [Merged] 2004 US Presidential Election
 

Interesting:

http://www.benmaller.com/archives/20..._prophecy.html

Re: [Merged] 2004 US Presidential Election
 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertain...io/3952239.stm

No wonder they vote for bush :D

Re: [Merged] 2004 US Presidential Election
 

Weird arse list there. I'd love Jack Bauer to be president though.

BTW that is a Radio Times poll, so that means it is a BBC poll?

Re: [Merged] 2004 US Presidential Election
 

yeah, i reakon

Re: [Merged] 2004 US Presidential Election
 

Interesting question. Radio Times is part of BBC Worldwide, which is the Beeb's commercial arm. I don't know whether it has its own staff of in-house hacks or whether it shares the resource with the 'proper' BBC. Their offices are in Wood Lane though, so I'd guess that, to all intents and purposes, it is the same as the BBC itself.

Re: [Merged] 2004 US Presidential Election
 

Well it looks as though someone else isn't that keen on Bush
http://bash.org/GODvsBUSH.gif
even the weather is trying to get him out ;)

Re: [Merged] 2004 US Presidential Election
 

BBC Worldwide has its own offices on Wood Lane, AFAIK they would have their own staff not shared with other BBC divisions.

Re: [Merged] 2004 US Presidential Election
 

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...nation_apology

We have been through the Bush/America thing before, but something curious:

16% support Bush? They must be the people that give false answers to polls and quizes for a laugh. I would love to meet with a Bush-liking Guardian reader, and see what he/she is like.

Surprise surprise
 

What a shocker - heard on the radio this morning that loads of voting cards have gone missing in Florida...

The Bush Administration is so twisted it makes me sick. :upyours:

Re: Surprise surprise
 

No No No

You dont understand, The voting cards were mainly african-americans who overwealingly vote democrates.

So if this didnt happen bush may not win the election see? thats why they have to do this...

Re: Surprise surprise
 

Oohhh, I get it - just like the last election then.... :mad: :rolleyes:

Re: Surprise surprise
 

Its all corrupt anyway.
Politics are always corrupt.
Foools, the lot of them.

Re: Surprise surprise
 

Exactly, the american elections arnt about the popular vote, or even who actually won the election. As long as you can kkick blacks off the voting record, kick up enough fuss so the surpreme court will decice that the president will be undermined if the re-count countines they will stop it (of course the president would have been undermined, he wouldnt have won the election)

and thats the american way........

Re: Surprise surprise
 

So, do you actually have to kick up a fuss yourself, or can you get your dad to tell his mate in the Supreme Court to stop the recount? :confused: :monkey:

Re: Surprise surprise
 

Depends how drunk you are at the time

Re: Surprise surprise
 

ahh the anti bush feelings are strong in this thread -

bush is a good lad so shhh and go watch your Moore films again as there is no hope for you :)

Re: Surprise surprise
 

Michael Moore is a lying ****** and I wouldn't entertain any of his films or books, but Bush is an ignorant, dangerous ****** who (along with his lapdog Blair) is costing this country billions of pounds thanks to his warmongering. Bring back Clinton.

Re: Surprise surprise
 

come on guys ... keep this calm ...

[Admin Insert(Mick): And Can we please also stop bypassing the swear filter. Thanks.]

Re: Surprise surprise
 

And let's not forget who it is who's sitting in the Governor's Mansion in Florida ... surely it can't be Jeb Bush, brother of the president?

Why is it that the Bush family reminds me of The Dukes of Hazzard?

Re: Surprise surprise
 

Because they are all in-bred banjo twangers? :p: No matter who gets voted in there will always be someone that takes legal action declaring the vote to be improper and there will always be someone in the whitehouse who cannot make his own decisions and prove himself to be whiter than white and perfect in every way ;)

Re: Surprise surprise
 

there was a very intresting item on newsnight the other night abt this very subject!!

seems crazy....they should have international monitors in the state!!

Re: Surprise surprise
 

There should be UN monitors across the whole country. Considering the US is supposed to be the Land of the Free and the very model of democracy, the US Presidential election system is bizarre ... even the Labour Party has been doing away with electoral colleges as a way of voting for things.

How can it be that a State's citizens vote 51-49 for one candidate, but that state's entire alloaction of electoral college votes go to one candidate? How can it be that when an Elector of a particular state gets to the College vote, he is under no obligation to vote for the candidate the citizens of his State chose, but can exercise his vote any way he likes? (According to a report on R4 Today this morning, one such Elector is threatening to vote Kerry at the Electoral College meeting, regardless of whether or not Kerry wins in his state).

Re: Surprise surprise
 

Hey, Mike Moore is funny, he may twist things but he makes GOOOOD movies

oh yeah!

Re: Surprise surprise
 

Some (albeit few, and only the small ones) split up there electoral votes to represent the result of that state rather than all of them going to one candidate

Re: Surprise surprise
 

Which one's Daisy?! :Yikes:

Re: Surprise surprise
 

How would you know if Moore is a liar if you don't entertain his books or movies? In terms of truth bending, Moore does no more than what most media does every day but at least he is much more entertaining.

Yep, bring back Clinton. He was one really spunky president.

Re: Surprise surprise
 

It might be simpler just to sack Jeb Bush as Governor of Florida. After all, one election fiasco is bad enough, two is grounds for dismissal.

Interesting too that once again Florida may well be the state deciding who becomes president.

Re: Surprise surprise
 

Ironic isn't it. The US spearhead wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, trying to bring democracy in those places, yet they can't seem to manage to get it right in their own country.

Re: Surprise surprise
 

I think it would be really ironic if the United Nations had to put in their own observers to ensure free elections in the USA.

It would certainly be highly embarrassing for the country that styles itself as "the land of the free". Maybe they meant "the land of the free-for-all."

Re: Surprise surprise
 

The US does not get the government it deserves, it gets the one it can afford.:rolleyes:

Re: Surprise surprise
 

Have some fun with this:-
http://www.bushspeech.org/

Re: Surprise surprise
 

Because I'm capable of watching and reading the news.

http://www.spinsanity.org/post.html?...24779059990811

http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html

http://marccooper.typepad.com/marcco...nd_moore_.html

With such classic outbursts as

He should really make sure he's not talking a load of old waffle first....