Re: Bowling for Columbine
 

You have not "tried to be nice", you have dodged, obfuscated, evaded, generalised and skirted points instead of engaging in debate. Every time I point this out, however, you complain "can we stay on topic" and "stop talking about me" as if *I* am the one in the wrong!

What a great idea? What were we talking about? Oh yes, Michael Moore's films. Hasn't he just produced one about the September 11th attacks? Something about Bush invading Iraq on the back of it? That is *definitely* off topic, isn't it...? :rofl:

Where did *I* say *you* said Moore tries to do this? Oh, I didn't. But you were talking about anti-Moore sites which *do* claim this.

Is that a taste of sour grapes I detect? Still, I'm sure that's off topic.

Oh, of course! Well obviously, then, it couldn't have been anything else!

I mean, you start making a film called "Moore Hates America" and end up with a film of which half is suddenly "America's A Wonderful Place" and it's *clearly* the film he wanted to make in the first place :rolleyes:

Anyway, that's got to be off topic, too.

It is? Again you claim "off topic" when we're talking about Michael Moore, this time about those that attack him. Odd definition of "off topic" you have.

And I think it *is* slightly more complicated than you wish to portray:

"Everyone is happy"??? That has to take the record for the most ridiculously sweeping generalisation you've come out with yet!

Pardon me if I suggest that this seems incredibly naiive. It is not simply a matter of "all it taking" is a call with "one new piece of evidence or angle on the case", it also takes an act of will on the part of the Coroner to consider that that "evidence or angle" is valid enough to re-open a case (about which, of course, "everyone is happy"!)

Curiously enough, however, Berkland's supervisor, Dr. Gary Cumberland was investigated for donating heavily (and possibly beyond federal contribution limits) to Joe Scarborough's election campaigns. Not that I'm implying any connection, of course...!!!

The same people who have strong Republican connections and have now *removed* practically all trace of Lori Klausutis from their websites?

http://www.truthout.org/docs_01/01.07B.Klausutis.3.htm

The one supervised by someone who contributed heavily to the Republicans?

Evidence which has to be presented to and evaluated by...? I'll give you three guesses...

I am not discussing *you* I am discussing your debating *technique*.
Again, I reiterate: "If you are going to use careless wording (either accidentally or with deliberate intent to confuse or obfuscate) then I will point that out too."

You stop doing it, I'll stop doing it.

Cites?

Thank you very much for your opinions on what you consider to be "off topic" in this thread. However pardon me if I keep my own counsel about what is relevant to the discussion because our views seem to diverge somewhat!!

(PS What does Spielberg and Schindler's List have to do with Moore or BFC? Just asking...!)

Re: Bowling for Columbine
 

Punky said that he is making money out of events where people have died and i was point out that the same theory can be applied to war and holocaust films such as Schindler's List they are films that have made money out of horrific events. Just saying that these kind of films are usually better as there are real storys

Re: Bowling for Columbine
 

I already said I was as bad as you for carrying it on the first place, but someone has to try and keep this thread in order. And no, I don't just say that to skirt the issue. If you want to talk about issues irrelevent to the topic, then start a new thread on the topic you want to dicuss, or PM me. I think after this, I should ignore anything that is wildly off-topic, but of course, i'll be dodging wouldn't I? Hmmm. I can't be arsed to type "Let's get back on topic", everytime you want to talk about conspiracy theories about congressmen murdering interns, or the Iraqi WMD issue. You said near the end that you'd stop if I stopped first. Funny how i'm the one that suggested that maybe our posts didn't have even a vague connection with BFC in the first place. It also sounds really mature of you too :rolleyes: . Still, i'll accede to your request and not reply to anything that has nothing to do with BFC, or Moore directly. I'll save the points I was thinking about when reading your post anyway in case you are ever interested.


I think the whole "Is Moore calling people unpatriotic/idiotic/etc..?" subjective. I'm sure some would feel he was, and others say he wasn't.


The Wilson movie is off topic, unless it directly refers to Moore (I.E. accusing Moore of something you could argue to be relevent to this topic, but certainly not who funds it). However, the points I made about Moore's history I think is a very fascinating incite (IMO) into the real Michael Moore and so, on topic. Some hero, eh?

I said it above briefly, but i'll explain it again fully. Michael Moore is the writer, director and producer of BFC. He is, for all intents and purposes BFC. It is hard to talk about BFC without talking about Moore. Wether some congressman killed his intern has nothing to do with Moore or the movie. Moore accusing a, so far innocent (Hmm, that "innocent til proven guilty" line you speak of doesn't seem to apply if you are right-wing, eh?) however has everything to do with what a piece of work Moore is.

It is evidence to support my original claim, about Moore. I'm not going great depths about WW2.

Re: Bowling for Columbine
 

Well, Punky, congratulations.

In your efforts to keep this thread "on topic" you've left nothing that's worth bothering discussing!

:walk:

Re: Bowling for Columbine
 

This is getting out of hand. Why hasn thtis been locked yet

Re: Bowling for Columbine
 

Nothing except:

--Gun control (which I admit I have no interest in discussing any more, I dare say i'll crumble eventually)
--Attitudes to violence in the media
--Wether Clinton's "From wealthfare to work" act does more harm than good.
--Michael Moore himself, but that is a huge target. Something with a relation to BFC would be good.
--Wether Lockheed Martin making rockets for satelites can turn kids postal?
--The level and causes of crime in society.

My memory of the movie is a bit hazy, he must have talked about more than that? I'm not trying to be a b*****d about it, (I get miffed when I get done too) but you have to draw a line somewhere...

Re: Bowling for Columbine
 

I would like to discuss the actual film with ya punky :) but this is not the topic for that anymore :(

Re: Bowling for Columbine