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I can't argue with that, though I'd stress education rather than scaring.

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I'm not disagreeing with that in the slightest, but if you tell someone the effects of Gonorrhea, Syphilis or AIDS then it's going to put the wind up them, it's unavoidable.

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Abstinence (the concept itself), would, if strictly adhered, obviously work.

What doesn't really seem to work though, are the abstinence programmes. Why? Because, going by various reports & studies, the kids do still end up having sex - perhaps later than "normal", but they still have sex. And they are less likely to know about, or use, condoms, and so on...(as per the Texas link above, & the overall US study linked earlier)

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I agree, but, if these programs based themselves around initially educating their "members" (poor choice of phrase) properly then there wouldn't be a problem. I suspect some of the states in the USA which are fairly religious don't want such things as sex, STD's and teenage pregnancy discussed.

edit: must go to bed, nearly 2am!

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I'm saying these schemes to get people to abstaine don't work.
They do more damage than good in that they concentrate on abstainence and don't deal with safer sex, well what's the point if you're not having sex? Problem is, most don't abstain forever and eventually have sex, but then have no idea about contraception or protection.

As for sex ed, too little too late. Kids need it before they start having sex not after.
Maybe we should look to Holland for how to educate kids as they seem to have got it right.

When I become a father I'll be digging out my copy of aunty Claire's Body book and starting from there with my kids

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I agree with that. If the abstinence programmes also actually educated about contraception & so on as well, then it could work better (well, at least they'd know what to do when they do eventually start having sex later on).

But the problem with the US ones, is, as you say, they are in fairly religious states, & the programmes themselves are (or can be) fairly religious. And so they do not teach *anything* other than abstinence.

Just look at Texas for an example of how not to do it: the *only* form of sex education in schools is abstinence teaching.

Perhaps it could work better over here, as the UK is not so strongly religious as much of the US is, so it would hopefully not be so "faith based" & there could also be proper teaching of safe-sex & so on.

But I still think it would be better to have proper sex education - & at a younger age.

They *will* still have sex - better they be prepared for the consequences.

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Think you've hit the nail on its head there bifta.
If these schemes taught both abstainence and safer sex they'd be much more effective.
But religious groups don't seem to want that

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Absolutely. They don't abstain forever, so when they do have sex, they know less about safe-sex, condoms, etc etc than kids who had "normal" sex ed (which itself is rather lacking).

Definitely. It needs to be earlier, & it needs more detail. They need to know about it *before* they start having sex, not during or after. And they need to be properly taught about safe-sex, & what will happen if they do not practice it.

Holland...yeah. Odd one that. Much younger age of consent than the UK, yet a much lower teen pregnancy rate, & I assume they also have a lower teen STD rate than us too. So presumably they have much better sex education than we have in the UK.

EDIT: http://www.nhsinherts.nhs.uk/hp/heal..._pregnancy.htm

:shocked:


EDIT again:

Think the UK is bad? Look at the US...

http://www.wiretapmag.org/story.html?StoryID=14691

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so now some of us agree on reform being needed on sex education, who would prefer to wrestle with parents who will be against graphic detailed explinations ?

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I had sex education every year at school since i was 10... is this a feature of the school's that i went to or is it standard? i would be interested to find out what other people have had... never had the sex talk from the parents though... which i am glad about... because i wouldn't want them to get embarressed! :D the most i have had is my mum saying 'i hope you aren't doing anything that we would disapprove of!'

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I totally agree that it needs to be reformed, & that they need to be taught in more detail, & at an earlier age.

But yes, parents (who should teach the kids themselves too!) would probably be "up in arms" over it. As would certain newspapers...

Anyway. I need to go to bed.

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Want to bet...?! Especially since I've *already* posted demonstrating that it *is* possible to get a "sexually transmitted" disease *without* having sex.

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Perhaps cybersex should be promoted as a safe sex alternative?

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*sigh

Why is it that every time a differing or alternative viewpoint is expressed, (especially on moral or lack of moral issues) people whine and get upset saying "don't come here and say that, you've no right to push your views on me or anyone else" blah blah..

What they're really showing is that they are so insecure, that people holding different views make them uneasy about their own position.

No-one can "push" their views onto you, they can present a convincing argument, but thats as far as it can go.. the rest is in your own head my friends.

Also, picking up a point I noticed earlier in the thread... the word "PROVEN" was batted around a bit and I just wanted to make the point that "proof" is subjective.
Something that convinces you or me, may not hold enough weight to convince someone else.
Don't fall into the trap of holding proof at the same level as fact it's a misguided standpoint.

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No, you can contract a disease that is normally transmitted through one form of sexual contact or another, in my opinion, if (for example) you contract HIV through sharing needles you have contracted HIV, not a sexually transmitted disease, I think the clue for you is in the phrase "sexually transmitted".

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The danger with that though is that they'd end up wanting to take it further anyway.

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If you or anyone has contracted HIV or herpes or hepatatis or any other such disease I doubt they'd give a *damn* about pedantic hair splitting differences as to whether it's "sexually transmitted" or not.

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If it's not transmitted sexually, how is it a sexually transmitted disease? Surely it's just .. a disease?

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If you were a haemophiliac who had contracted HIV through contaminated Factor 8 blood products, would you *care*?

Or would you sit on your moral High Horse and declare "well at least *I* didn't get it from sex!!"

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No, and I don't particularly care at the moment either, you're being obstructive purely for the sake of it. If you contracted HIV through a blood transfusion, then you've contracted a disease, it was not directly sexually transmitted and that (as far as I can tell) has been the whole gist of this thread.

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And IMO you're being pedantic for the sake of it.

So how about we just drop this here.

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:Peaceman: Can we calm this down please !

There is no need to get personal !

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Smartest thing you've ever suggested.

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You are correct sir!

You can get a STI without sex it is called a sexually transmitted disease because it is transmitted by sex but it is not the only method of doing so, only usually the most common. Expect for thrush.

Also a lot of them are not STI'S but are commonely labeled as such.

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Mmmm thrush, oh happy days, blokes if you're gonna get something from sex, pray it's that :naughty:


Genital warts was the worst I had for treatment. The "oh **** that ****ing hurts" ointment chemically burns the skin. You walk like John Wayne for about a week!
The real arse of it was I got it from my lodger using my towel, not from sex.
All clear now tho.

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Xaccers wayyyyyyyyy too much info.....lodgers ? :erm: towels ? :Yikes:

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You can never have too much information about STI's

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lol, sharing clothing or towels are a no no for me as a rule!

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doesnt that mean you have it for life and they keep re-appearing?

Another thing is that how doesn't that get passed on? we where told to watch out if they have warts but if they disappear via treatment then how do you know?

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An excellent point!!

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How do you know that your parents don't use your towels? (assuming they don't have their own bathroom).
Personally, I'd not use someone else's towel unless I knew it was fresh, but obviously some people aren't that considerate.

Warts can take several sessions of treatment, I had two, turns out I only needed one as the doctor mistook a neavus in the same area as a wart! :mad:

Gentital warts are caused by the low risk (low risk of cervical cancer) variants of Human Papillomavirus (HPV), this is the same virus that causes verrucas and normal warts so be careful of your towel on the floor of changing rooms!
Most people will catch HPV's throughout their lives and not know it, studies have shown that someone may have it one month, and a couple of months later be clear.
High-risk HPVs are not linked to cervical cancer.
The wart is an overgrowth of skin caused by certain types of HPV, it's not a fungis like some people seem to think.

Thrush is a fungis however, normally kept in check by bacteria in the woman, hence why some women get it when they've taken a course of anti-biotics.
There are many treatments for thrush, pessaries, oral tablets, and my favourite, creams :naughty:

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maybe because everyone has their own towel :dozey:

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Herpes re-appears, its not a HPV so totally different to warts.
Cold sores, genital herpes and chicken pox are all related.
The body is never able to get rid of these, they lay dormant, hence why people with chicken pox can later get shingles which is a reactivation of the virus.

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Right, you have a friend round, you give them their own towel, they get it soaking wet and decide they need another one, so they grab one of the other towels, bingo, possible transmission.

Or you go to the local gym, work out, have a shower, in the changing room you dry yourself off but drop your towel, it pics up a HPV, you then carry on drying yourself, you happen to rub the virus over a broken bit of skin in your groin, hey presto.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/conditions/verrucas.shtml

<edit> if i was being 'picky' I would challenge whether thrush was a yeast or a mould, within the overall taxonomy of 'fungi' :)

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:Yikes:

Although I did pick up a wart on a knuckle when I was at school, ended up getting rid of it by biting it out...

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"Whatever you do don't try to dig or cut them out because this will do more harm then good. Men in particular are notorious for using household tools for treating verrucas. The only tools needed come from the pharmacist, not the DIY shop!"

And this goes *double* for genital warts...!! :Yikes:

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Visions of people using hacksaws/chisels

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Belt sanders... angle grinders...! :Yikes: :Yikes: :Yikes:

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Maybe that's what Blofeld was really doing to Bond in goldfinger? Could James have picked something up from Pussy Galore? :D

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I would just like to point how good the internet is if you are unwell and this is certainly the case with STI's i have never (and hopefully will never) had a sti but the internet can be a great resource although you should see a doctor.

if you havnt yet got it the internet can put your mind at rest about possible STI'S and stop rumors. e.g. tolet suit myth!

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Thrush is a FUNGAL infection caused by Candida albicans.It is also known as Candidiasis,Moniliasis or Yeast infection.It can infect BOTH sexes.

Incog.

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When were you last tested? :D

Just pointing out to people that not all give symptoms (especially in blokes).
Take clamydia for instance, or the cervical cancer causing HPV's

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If the bloke's really really lucky :naughty:

I'm being far too naughty for my own good

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it depends on who you shoot that damn thing towards

*walks off shuts door

:pp ;)

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However Thrush in women is not necessarily indicative of sexual contact.Sometimes just taking antibiotics or poor hygiene or too tight panties can bring a session on.

Gimme french knickers anyday.;)Lots of fresh air.

Anyway this is a long way from teen sex and abstinence is it not?:)

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I was thinking more along the lines of the treatment for thrush :naughty:

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well it depends..... do you really want it to spread towards your skin :erm: or you could just use the soothing cream :naughty:

having read incog's post im going to be sick :sick:

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There are other treatments for thrush Kronas :eek:

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Yes apparently vinegar or Bicarb in a warm bath can cure a session if done early enough.

However personally I hate cystitus even more and that is dangerous if not treated quickly and effectively. :(

Incog.

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Active yoghurt (so I'm told) and a lack of cacks.