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I'd just like to say:

YAY!

I thank you. It's nice to get something for nothing once in a while...

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I have e-mailed the ntl director of internet asking for an official stance and if they are going to review the 1GB cap. Someone has already mentioned ntl intend to review the cap. Waiting for some official response on this matter.

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All posts take a different meaning when only part of it is read/referred to. :)

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I think this is a simple case of left hand not knowing what right hand is doing - a classic ntl move!

I would bet that the £3 increase was going to happen anyway, but then another department was planning the increases in speeds - and the two just happened to co-incide (almost)

I guess it all depends on how you look at it but I think I would take it as (if I were on 1mb) as seeing some value for the extra cash - and let's face it - £3 a month is pretty good value for the extra 50% speed.

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Mick, I know this has probably been done to death, but if you have 50% more bandwidth, are you seriously going to download 50% more (i.e more than 1gb a day)?

I think the net result (no pun intended) is that you'll maybe browse more websites (becuase they will load faster, but you will probably spend the same amount of time browsing) but you're unlikely to download more software, videos, music etc - I may be wrong, but this seems logical to me.

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Bullpoop!

Its all big bullpoop. No matter what NTL say they are going to do, the service will always be rubbish, the computer will always make those billing errors & the red button is never ever going to work.
Increasing the speed will still be crappier than ADSL no matter how fast they think its going to be.
Email will often go down as will the newsgroups.

I'm glad I'm getting out of it.

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Exactly. During the trials I monitored my usage and found although it makes it slightly nicer for downloads in that they come down quicker sometimes (if you can get a download that will run at full speed), and sometimes graphics intensive web sites seem to load a little quicker, when I looked at the graphs my average usage for 99% of the time was little more than a couple of hundred kbps on downstream. The vast majority of the 1Mbps capacity was being unused, so the extra 50% (for "free"... my arse!), makes naff all difference to me.

I'd rather not be paying £3 extra for the "free":rolleyes: 500kbps extra and they keep 1Mbps at £35.

What justification does NTL have for hiking the 1Mbps fee anyway, when Telewest have it lower and many ADSL ISPs are competing to reduce or maintain prices not increasing them?

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Just to point out - Telewest 1meg is only cheaper if you have more than one service with them. Therefore if you have BB only with either Telewest OR ntl, you'll pay the same price (£37.99 pm). :)

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I know what you are saying andy, but I feel that people will think that if they have more speed they can download more and with a 1.5MB connection it does open the scale up more, which is why I think personally, ntl need to review the cap for at least the 1.5MB customers.

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maybe purely by 'conincidence' of course NTL will start to offer 1MB BB at £35pm provided you take at least one other NTL service ;)

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Myabe they will. They're bound to merge anyway, so may as well get things such as tariffs on the same level while they can.. :)

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Wouldn't ntl be taking a step backwards doing that?

Remembers the days when you had to have Digital TV to qualify for BB.

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Yes but if you have TV or Telephone from Telewest you get 1mb for £34.99 hence all who downgraded wouldn't have if NTL had adopted the sime logic. I have telephone and used to have 1mb but now on 600K giving NTL £10 less per month.

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That's what I said..... :erm:

Which IMPO is what ntl wanted people to do....

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There is both a 'lag factor' and a correlation between BB capacity to user and volumes downloaded.

The 'lag factor' is that people do not immediately start to download more as their connection speed goes up.

There is also however a very real relationship between the speed of an end users connection and the voulmes they download (and upload) once the 'lag factor' is worked through. After all when TW (and shortly after NTL) finally start to offer 10mbs symetrical connections at the same price as 1mbs connections are now (in about say 3 years) people will not just grab all their data in 13.5 mins (by my very rough / quick calculation of a 1 gig cap) and be done with it. They will use more volumes up and down. :)

Or to put it another 'more realistic' way people DO download more with BB than they did with dial up - once they have worked through the lag factor. A mere 50% increase in speed may not make this obvious but once you start getting into 'true' digital economies of orders of magnitude (10* and 100*) increases then the realtionship becomes a lot clearer.

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what i want know is why we have to wait when the telewest people get it at the end of next month surely i cannot be that hard to do !!!!

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We have a lot more customers, network and billing systems to deal with than telewest. Also, I don't think we thought about this for as long as telewest have either... ;)

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Looks like the upload will be staying the same after all.....

So....all of a sudden the people who had cr4ppy connections/poor browsing/high pings/non existant email etc, are now happy because ntl have increased their download speed? :erm:

*Thinks*-poor battered network to begin with, increase in speed=poorer/more battered network. :rolleyes:

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*cough* 24 hours *cough*

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point taken but i think i would have been far better to announce it when it was about to happen

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Can't leave it that long - ntl would've got more than their regular hammering if they'd waited a couple of months to annouce matching telewest... :shrug:

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If only they applied the changes sooner rather than later...by the time this arrives, ill be at Newcastle uni in september and have no need for the extra bandwidth, let alone the connection

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btw, when is this speed upgrade actually going to happen:confused:

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" late summer "

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I think ntl would be risking their neck and their network if they were to apply these changes, sooner, rather than later. :disturbd:

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But I thought it was coincidental ;)

The Register

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uh-huh. Yeah, right... :D:D

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late summer, roughly what time is that?

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And still (more than 3 years after they bought C&W), ntl haven't got their act together on the billing front-I really feel sorry for TW customers.

Noooooo-I don't believe you! :angel:

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exactly !!!!!!!!!

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To be fair, ntl have bought plenty more copmanies after C&W, so it's not quite three years since they started the project to merge the billing systems....still a poor show though.



:rofl: :rofl:

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roughly what month will the upgrade happen?

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http://homepage.ntlworld.com/a.stanf...201%5b1%5d.gif If only NTL had thought things through better instead of always jumping in feet first and making a :juggle: of it. They wouldn't keep doing this :dig:

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If you read through the thread, it says 'Late Summer'.

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People on 300k not having access to bb plus is nothing to do with the slow upload speed.

As for the mail etc, you will also notice that in the same post it also mentions that the mailing systems are being upgraded, and we are working with two of the largets internet "help" teams in the world in order to make the mail more reliable etc.:tu:

As for "when" is... July is the ETA this is what is considered "late summer" although my main worry is that this was a reaction to telewests announcement. :td:

Do I hold much hope??!!! Well the new "harmony" central system was meant to be up and running everywhere by "spring 2004" and here we are and now we know it's "christmas 2004". So don't be suprised when "late summer" turns into "late autumn" then "christmas" :shocked:
Yeah I'm being cynical, and yes I work for ntl but by not putting a time on it, it makes me think.....

Must say though, to find people complaining about it is worrying. You are getting more, for nothing (except 1mb users) and I imagine the majority of users on this board are 600k/1mb users. Think of the 150k customers having their service doubled. This leaves ntl faster than bulldog/pipex etc for only a couple of quid more.... a real marketing plus, which should only help drive speed up and price down IMHO.:angel:

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Like I've said before I think there hand was forced by the Telewest move myself

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I heard this rumour at least a month ago.

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Then why didn't you share it ?

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LMFAO


"Our customers want more speed, better e-mail access and more newsgroups to enjoy, and that's what we're delivering," said NTL chief executive officer, Simon Duffy.

yh right well supply it then - also notice telewest is uncapped

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To be honest I'd rather have higher upstream and no/higher cap figure than an increase in speed.

I'll be down grading to 700 from 1m because I don't really see the point in the higher speed. There isn't much difference in 700k and 1m anyway. And the benefit of 1.5m is lost because of the cap.

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Because I was asked not to by the person who told me - and it would have looked very bad if I had decided to share it and was shelved for some reason or another.

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Keep the cap as it is, some fud in my street thought he was amazing by downloading films and music 24/7 and it made my 1mb connection as slow as dial up. Thankfully he got booted off the service and everyone in the neighbourhood is happy again. In all honesty 1gb is more than enough for the average punter.

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Thats complete rubbish. Check out the ntlworld website again. NTL are enticing people to download and why not at the end of the day its what were paying for.

Download a few movie trailers a few game demo's and your already over the 1GB cap!

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It's not rubbish at all. 1Gb is more than enough for the average user.

"Power" users who spend their time downloading tons of stuff are not your typical user and a relativly rare overall.

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Well Pem why do you think we have 1,2 & now 3MB service's for home users in this country. Do they have them just for the sake of it. Do people get broadband just to surf the net. I dont know anyone like that. I can surf the net on dialup just fine. We have broadband to download plain and simple ;)

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well i dont agree with the cap but were not going there are weeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

ntl home lol - should be just ntl cant see them being aimed a home there gettign as bad as BT and that is saying something :shocked:

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We have them because Telewest (& NTL) just gave us them. :) - as I recall the majority of TW & NTL customers are on the lowest speed (I think the report quoted 10% of TW on 1MB+ ?).

Most people do not have BB to download lots of "stuff" - they have it because it's a faster response time on the same web sites, because it is "always on" and because it doesn't interfere with the use of the phone.

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Well your going to have to get used to the fact that people like broadband to download. Check out the european speeds. They leave us standing. Its not a time to start going backwards but forwards :cool:

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do we , i am on 600 k service , i went down to 150k service and it felt like being on a slower than dial up service , i guess i have just got used to being on 600k , and no i dont download a great deal of stuff , what i do download comes at a good enough rate though :)

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I've been on 128 , 150 & 600 there's no difference in browsing speed!

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I've been on 512,600 & 1mb and I have noticed a difference in browsing and multiplayer gaming speeds :)I hate surfing on dialup and on 1mb I get single digit pings on multiplayer now.

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I've been on all those plus 1MBit, there is a big difference, especially between 150 and 600.
The thing that helps the most in my experience is a fast browser and fast CPU to render the content -- I'm on 100MBit here at work but can't really take advantage of it due to running a 500Mhz P3. :pp

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Gaming is a little different wouldn't you say to normal web browsing. I mean some of the latest pc online games seem to be asking for much more too

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still no news for STB owners?

come on NTL,make a statement on this like telewest have and their STB non compatible for free upgrade service..

or are you just gonna forget the minority to please the majority

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I think it's a positive move at last by NTL, even if it was forced on them. Not sure how their network will hold up if their newsgroup servers ever arrive and hold binary groups. I can see people with 1.5Meg lines making the whole network grind to a halt downloading 24/7! :D

Not sure whether this announcement would have done anything to stop me leaving if it had been made a few weeks earlier. On the balance of things, probably not. I took part in the trials for increased speeds of up to 3Meg and extra speed isn't something I'm too bothered about. When I saw what the trial was, I was a tad disappointed to be honest. People need reliability and service, not speeds. Believe me, people will probably not notice any difference in the normal usage, but they are being charged an extra £3. When I had the 3meg cable on trial I did notice some differences, but then it was 3 times what I had normally. An extra 50% won't make any difference on general browing etc for 1 Meg users.

If I was staying with NTL I would downgrade my service to 700 and save myself a tenner. :)

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Yes, between 150 and 600 there would be a difference, but between 1 and 1.5meg, the difference won't even be noticeably, unless you are doing a constant download of a big file, or several big files in the case of newsgroups. I'd say a lot of "average" 1meg users will downgrade rather than have a fraction of a second off their webpage appearing, besides, they still have those nasty proxy servers anyway! :)

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Have you read the whole of this thread? If you had, you would have seen a post stating that this would be for STB BB as well.

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I can see this too and well this is what NTL wanted anyway. The fact that Telewest already had the 2MB soon to be 3MB (There Flagship) doesn't seem to matter to NTL. I can see both companies getting more customers now mind. The stupid thing is though someone at NTL is going to get a pat on the back for this when it wasn't there idea. They don't have any:erm:

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I wait to see what 'late summer' NTL style is. Personally, I consider late summer to be the end of August/beginning of September. :)

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that was just be the staff here,i would like a full statement on the fact on a NTL website under their terms&conditions on this new free offer before i believe this,its not mentioned like telewest has,if STB cannot handle 1meg too well (already mentioned in theis thread) then wouldn't it be better to make an announcement on their main pages that people who are on STB can contact NTL for a cable modem to benifit the free speed offer.

Again the left hand don't know what the right hand is doing!

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I listen to a friends music stream and it put sme over the 1gig sometimes, I am not copying them just listening. Also I have noticed the increased spam also takes up my capped Bandwidth. When you have in exccess of 300 emails all spam over a few NTL accounts it does use a fair bit every day. If they want the capped they have to exclude emails for starters also it does need to be highered a little so others like me who listen to streams while they working online can do so.

I am not a power users havent got the drives for it only a 40 gig drive and I manage to last 12 months between reformats. Yet I can easily go over with the family sharing the connectioin that was the main reason I went for 1 mb trying to be fair to the company and paying more sometimes than I used.

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To be fair, the only official announcement, posted by Nemesis here http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...6&postcount=87 , says the upgrade will happen later in the summer, not late summer. This could be read as ntl saying "it'll happen later - sometime in the summer".

In fact, didn't someone mention July earlier?

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I agree with you regarding the gaming but I have found that normal browsing is excellent on 1mb and average on 600.The general gist of all the literature I have read (especialy Nem's insider contribution) indicates that stb owners, like me, will get the upgrade as well. :)

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To add some facts and figures to this one, the following is ntls approx % for each speed.

150k - 66%
600k - 29%
1MB - 5%

5%, it's a very small %. And, tends to be gamers, people who download for profit (i.e download games/dvd's and sell them!!) and small buisnesses. I am not saying ALL 1mb users are the above but the majority are.
Most of ntl's broadband customers are people who are fed up of slow dial up, which ties the phone line up. Especially when you can get broadband for 17.99 with ntl (or 15.99 with pipex/bulldog etc) when on average dial up is around £15-£16 (bt 16.99, aol 15.99, freeserve 14.99).

Also, why should ntl be worried about telewest having a 2mb line? They are not competition. They do not operate in the same areas and so in theory, do not need to compete. Takeup of a 2mb line would be fairly small, as the UK does lag behind europe/usa with regards internet takeup.

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lol who else noticed they increased the price quick enough without increasing the service? :mad:

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I am told by marketing that July sort of time is the expected roll out date. Not definate but that's the ETA

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As far as I am concerned the price increase is fine. The reason I took up the 1mb service was that it dropped down from £50ish to it's present level. Even after the increase, it will still be a lot cheaper than £50 and we get 1.5mb thrown in. I'm plenty happy still :D

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This is one of the main problems I think. They should be competition. Everyone goes on about BT holding the broadband market back in this country yet the cable operators don't have to compete against each other. That's just wrong. I think NTL would get a BIG shock if they had to go in direct competition with Telewest!

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Another reason why I think they had to rush this through to show they were not being left behind even more by Telewest. They normally have shown any speed increase's with this price rise

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Possibly yes. The reason they don't compete is due to the cable contracts. Ntl have manchester/london/teeside etc telewest have liverpool etc.

After a company installs cables, and puts themselves BILLIONS in debt because of it, to have someone come along and say ok you must let X cable company use your lines would be shocking.

And having just got out of/ to be just getting out of chapter 11 (both ntl and telewest) neither could afford to cable new areas en masse even if the goverment did open it up. So.... merger... means only one cable company effectivley which means bt vs ntl:telewest, in which case there is no chance of cable companies competing against each other.

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Yes, if they opened up the cable networks and had to compete against each other it would be very interesting. How mant TW customers would go to NTL and how many the other way...? ;)

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Well thank you NTL!

Just as long as 'coming soon' doesn't translate into the usual 18 month wait.I remember waiting for free dial-up:(

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But even if they did (and I don't think it will ever happen) you'd still be connecting to ntl's/TW's network so the only thing that would be different is the customer service number - why bother? Any service issues you had with ntl/telewest would still be present if you jumped ship to the other supplier.

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I think the speed increase is an excelent idea.... especially for people on the 150k service

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Yes the otherway thats what I would find interesting. Anyone want to start a poll on this. I know it wont happen but it would be interesting

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Please show how it was rushed through?

Anyone who lives on this planet by now knows that the two are soon to become one. Is it not just possible to accept that such strategies may have been discussed by both companies and rolled out on very similar time scales.

What has Telewest got to gain by looking better than NTL if the two are to merge?

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Oh that would explain why there TV packages are much better value. How they always give there customer's much better deals.

Oh and how Telewest had already updated there website in the early hours of last night with this information.

Seen anything on the NTL website yet ?

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Good point, but I've got two services with NTL but get no discount, so on comparison, Telewest is cheaper for the same packages.

I'm only on 1Mbps because of the 256kbps upstream (makes my web server and remote VPN/ssh connections run faster). I'd much rather 256kbps upstream was offered on lower tier services though as I don't use even a fraction of the 1mbps download capacity.


Or the years we had 'coming soon' for digital TV (so many that I gave up and went with Sky Digital instead).

And I'm still waiting for Caller Display :(

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Our customers want more speed, better e-mail access and more newsgroups to enjoy, and that's what we're delivering," said NTL chief executive officer, Simon Duffy.
So all on the way good old NTL, Neil are you coming back:angel:
Might have to amend my sig soon

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NTL and TW do not compete for customers but they do compete for investors (as well as to a degree for commercial partners)

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It surely doesn't take much to change the speeds - remember when they gave the 150k (or was it 128k then?) users a month's trial of 600k? - click, you're up, click, you're down!


I'll rake over a couple more points from way back in this thread...

You CANNOT compare contention ratios between dialup and cable - a 15:1 ratio on dialup is the ratio of user who could actually CONNECT, whereas on cable, it's bandwidth usage.
They could double all the speeds, and also double the bandwidth contention, then if it get's busy, you're back where you started!

It's obvious to anyoune with any sense, that the cap/warning for the 1.5Mbit tier needs to be raised pro-rata to 1.5 Gb, as the 750k tier will allow you to burn your entire quota in a short enough time anyway - and yes, it's clear whay the 600k gets the smallest increase, any more and people aggreived at the 1Mbit price rise wouldn't hesitate to downgrade to a service not much slower than what they had ... would you notice a 25% drop?

If they make the news and email finally work as they should, that's also most welcome.

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I would guess that over 90% of customers will continue to do the same after their speeds have been increased as they do now so they will not put any extra strain on the system. There may be quite a number who reduce their speeds in order to save a bit of cash.

I wonder what will happen with the AOL customers who use NTL broadband? At the moment they charge customers £27.99 for 512k supplied either via ADSL or NTL broadband. I can see the ones that have their supply via NTL broadband moving direct to NTL for an extra 238k download and £3 per month cheaper.

This may reduce the chance of customers leaving NTL to go the ADSL route and may even tempt some ADSL users to move to NTL. Time will tell.

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I'm looking forward to the speed increase:D , I hope thay improve/add spam filters for their e-mails as well:confused: :confused:

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Do u realise that is a extra 500K?
If the answer is yes then you are a very silly billy for asking that question :)

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I have heard it said that NTL have been filtering spam for a while now. If they have they must have requested known spammers to put their system to the test as I seem to be getting more and more over the past few weeks. :(

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i can't wait for people to start complaining about speed problems, remember you asked for the speed increase so dont complain if you have speed problems :)

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http://www.adslguide.org.uk/newsarchive.asp?item=1639
(fyi)

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Well said. :tu:

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Yeah, but when you're on 1Mbps, an extra 500kbps doesn't seem like much. In fact the way the net works generally, over 1Mbps that 500kbps isn't much of a difference anyway. At these speeds you're likely going to be using broadband to an extent where the next step that's worthwhile will be an extra 1Mbps or much more. If you're not using it to that extent you probably don't need 1Mbps (as I've found).


Perhaps but they're blind to the fact that ADSL has the huge benefit of a 256kbps upstream on 512kbps downstream. I'd much rather have 512/256 than 750/128. Then there's NTL's customer service... :eek:

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There appears to be a lot of spare capacity on my area - everytime ive checked the node, there's only been a max of 13mbits/30mbits of downstream used....

However, I feel sorry for many others...

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as a telewest customer on the 1 mb service paying 35 quid a month it is excellent news for me. :)

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these upgrades are most welcome but what do they say beware of strangers bareing gifts i smell a rat nibbleing away in the back ground just my 2p's worth

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Why is this a huge benefit to me, the Average Broadband Customer(tm)? The only thing I send, bar page requests and ack packets, are e-mails and IM messages (and posts to web forums ;)). The difference between 128k adn 256k upload wouldn't be noticeable for me.

But whereas I don't upload a lot of stuff, when I choose to download, I like it to be nice and swift. The extra speed announced by the cablecos today benefits me... I really can't see why people are being so negative. It seems to be a case of attack NTL no matter what, even when they're upping the speeds for the same money.

Of course, there is the issue of whether NTL have the capacity to up the speed for all customers. But I've heard it said many times over that it's the upload capacity that's the problem, rather than download. And in any case, ex-CWC areas should fair quite well, given the extra downsteam capacity they have on each UBR compared with Langley and Telewest, so I'm not worried :cool:

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Ok here is my take on it

First of all I think this is excellent although I am 90% sure NTL were pushed to this by telewest (same day announcement long delay before it happens) 500kbit extra traffic for £3 is a bargain.

My say on customer's usage, at the moment the uk is lagging our internet usage pattern is different to other countries because of this as in we do more web browsing rather then volume usage so we are still on bursty usage patterns, whilst globally people tend to do activities that have sustained transfer's more like streaming and downloading, although only a small % of ntl's customers are on the top tier I would say a large % of those customers are probably doing volume usage (i wouldnt justify spending an extra £10 a month just for nippier web browsing) so obviously in this case when you downloading large files 1mbit to 1.5mbit is a great boost, I also think NTL have no backbone capacity problem the only problem they have is with some ubr's so the backbone will cope fine with 1.5mbit especially if they keep the same cap, I really hope the cap gets reviewed in line with the speed so its more realistic and fairer to those who are paying more money.

So things that would be interesting to know

exact date of deployment?
will cap be raised for the high end users?
will price not be raised until deployment?

and to the guy who said that guy leeching 24/7 was making everyone miserable that is a terrible exaggeration I doubt 1 person maxing a 1mbit connection alone is going to affect a 30mbit ubr a huge amount.

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With dialup there is 'contention' issue in terms of establishing a connection (how many recieving modems there are to a given number of cutomers) which is not comparable with BB as BB is an always on technology (ie there is a 1:1 ratio on establishing a connection). However in addition to this form of 'connection contention' with dial up there is also the 'normal' issues of 'bandwidth contention' which is comparable to dial ups. Whether this contetion with dial up mainfest itself from an ISP's central modem rack to it's external bandwith connection, or to the (more analgous to BB) senario with wholesale products like surftime and their ilk where the modems live in the exchange and then their is a contended pipe from the exchange back to the ISPs pop.

The point I was trying to make is that generally the faster the end users connection the higher you can run bandwidth contention (in any section of the connection). I will try and explain this a bit clearer (but probably fail).

If X is the amount a user downloads in a given time period and Y is the size of the users pipe as long as Y increases proportionaly greater than X then contention ratios can be higher without any noticable effects relative to the lower connection speeds and higher contention.

(PS guess who is currently reading "It must be beautiful - great equations of modern science) :)

Re: [Merged] NTL Increasing BB Speeds
 

And you are another forum member who doesnt read all the post, re-read the whole post as it was intended & not just half of it, then & only then you will find enlightenment.

Re: [Merged] NTL Increasing BB Speeds
 

Did you mean to post this in the Telewest topic by any chance ?

This thread is about the NTL speed increases. :)

Re: [Merged] NTL Increasing BB Speeds
 

/me ponders
Is this enough to retain any part of NTL services?

NTL BB:
300k/???k 17.99 whats the up here?128
750k/128k 24.99
1.5mb/256k 37.99
all capped to a 1GB guidance, not that ive ever recieved a letter I know on occasions my households 3 comps do take us over and Im just waiting for the dreaded letter to drop on the mat.

ADSL BB:
256k/???k 19.49
512k/256k 22.49
1mb/256k 26.99
2mb/256k 35.49
Unrestricted. here is the key difference as it makes NTL's lowest plan non-competetive. The higher plans NTL still really falls short in price speed and cap, so I deduct now is still a good time to give adsl a play.

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256k/???k 19.49 Vs. 300k/???k 17.99 whats the up here?128

£1.50 less for a quicker service.... how does this make ntl's low end plan non-competetive?

512k/256k 22.49 Vs. 750k/128k 24.99

Ok so ntl's is dearer by £2.50 however the majority (based on facts and figures) of 600k (750k) users have the speed to download not upload. So, again look at it.. 512k @ 4.3p per K (also not forgetting most 512k services are charged at 27.99), 750 @ 3.32p per K.

Which is better value for money? an extra £2.50 for an extra 238k, which the supplier you mention (for 256k, which is there or there about) charges £19.49 for?!

Top end I cannot arguee with but for the bottom 2, which accounts for 95% of ntl's customers it is nothing but good news.

Ok the upload's are a problem, and, as I've said previously, these are being looked into.
I still fail to see how this speed upgrade, at no extra cost (1mb users aside) can be looked upon in a negative manner!!!
How can people expect the company to improve, if everytime they do something good (which this is) there are people who try and find a way to shoot the company down?