Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35950170)

I thought BoJo was a tad desperate the other day until I saw this historical link from The Express of all sources! Old Boy, you really are getting desperate for evidence but even going back six months you are failing to find anything that supports your statements!

The reality is that as the article explains "Mr Barnier has repeatedly spoken about how the only option available to Britain is a Canada-style free trade deal because of Theresa May’s red lines over free movement and the ECJ."

So, that will exclude services which account for most of our exports to the EU but include manufactured goods thereby allowing the Germans to carry on selling us their cars and the French their wine.

Whether we ever get to that stage given the Irish border situation is of course another matter.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35950172)

It's not the only option, no deal at all is better than that, they'll like that option only slightly less than us plus on the upside we'll be able to become a fully fledged tax haven on the coast of Europe rather than simply masquerading as one like we do currently, they can also stick their much vaunted fair and level playing field where the sun doesn't shine to then as well

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35950163)

i think Andrew's still brexsulking !

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35950173)

You're forgetting we signed the indefinite back stop agreement and wish it to apply to the whole of the UK.

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35950190)

This was on LBC tonight, as reported by LBC.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presente...-trump-brexit/

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35950178)

Yes and I like it how they think that if they keep throwing their toys out of the pram, Brexit won't be happening.

It's happening, as is leaving the SM and CU, May has said this over and over again about us leaving these two parts of the EU. We are leaving them, as we should.

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35950233)

So there's already the Destin8 system of electronic customs pre-declaration for non-EU goods illustrating that the NI border issue that remainers think is so impossible to solve really doesn't exist at all.

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35950233)

So there's already the Destin8 system of electronic customs pre-declaration for non-EU goods illustrating that the NI border issue that remainers think is so impossible to solve really doesn't exist at all.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35950152)

Why do you assume that your uncalculated calculations are better than those of our hard-working economists? These people weren't Project Fear and they don't have the appalling record that you attribute to them. They have modelled all leave scenarios and all come out worse than staying in the EU. It really isn't that hard to grasp.

It's something like a maximum 0.7% uplift from the bold new deals that you talk about and a 5% decrease in trade.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35950239)

As I said, Andrew, economic forecasts tend not to reflect the reality. They have been wrong time and time again, as the record shows. And yet you treat these forecasts as if they are indisputable proof!

Too many wrong assumptions are made by those trying to work out the likely consequences of Brexit. Most of them seem only to see disaster when actually this is a wonderful opportunity for us.

Given the incorrect assumptions that were made about what would happen to the economy as soon as the electorate voted for Brexit, I'm rather surprised that you are ignoring that in pursuit of your steadfast, unwavering insistence that post 2019, Britain will fall into abject poverty. The rest of the world survives without the EU, as indeed we used to as well.

This dystopian future you foresee is typical of many visions that novellists have when they write their fantasies about what is to come, and the 'end of the world is nigh' brigade seem to attract an uncanny fascination for some folks. Fortunately, history should teaches us to ignore these fanciful notions.

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35950244)

Give up OB - certain individuals on this forum and there is a few - want to see failure or see every negative thing 10 yards down the road.

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35950248)

l guess that is our great democracy where people can have differing views or shall l say a opposite view of someone else's view.:)

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35950248)

l guess that is our great democracy where people can have differing views or shall l say a opposite view of someone else's view.:)