Cable Forum - Coronavirus (OLD)

I'm only addressing the statistical basis for assessment.And you seem to be disagreeing yet your analogies (Sahara etc) are the same as my arguments.

I've addressed concentration of population in the examples you gave. And, of course I can compare Hamburg with Munich; that's in the realms of the bleedin' obvious.

I'd like to know who else disagrees with me. My good friend jfman, for example and, of course my postcode compatriot - OB.

I think nomadking may have missed the bit where you agreed with him about the testing.

It is certainly true that people are making wild comparisons between countries. As the government has indicated, I think the time for a measured response to this is when the pandemic is under control and we can work out exactly what has happened, country by country. This will include the methodology of calculating the number of deaths, which varies around the world.

pip08456

04-05-2020 11:50

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36033825)

I think nomadking may have missed the bit where you agreed with him about the testing.

It is certainly true that people are making wild comparisons between countries. As the government has indicated, I think the time for a measured response to this is when the pandemic is under control and we can work out exactly what has happened, country by country. This will include the methodology of calculating the number of deaths, which varies around the world.

Try telling Mr K that.;)

OLD BOY

04-05-2020 11:56

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36033816)

Testing was a major factor in the early stages. Countries that went big on it early on were able to track and isolate cases eg. Germany and S Korea.
By the time we realised the importance of testing it was too late, the disease was out of control. We gave up testing all but the seriously ill, which was a bit late to put it politely.

Of course, you get everything right first time, don't you, Mr K. It's easy to be wise after the event and to sit back and criticise while others actually do the work. It is refreshing to note that Labour has been supportive of the government on their handling of this to date and have offered to join with them in tackling this, which the Johnson government has gladly accepted.

As far as Germany and South Korea are concerned, yes, they got off to a flying start. Only when this is over will we know how relevant that was. Remember, there are still a lot of people out there who have not yet been infected, and so the whole thing might yet start again out there.

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36033826)

Try telling Mr K that.;)

I await his one-liner jokey response....:D

mrmistoffelees

04-05-2020 12:51

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36033828)

The government have said they have made mistakes that have cost lives. So, you have to accept that people are going to criticise. Especially when their are glaringly obvious errors that have been made.

Look at the 'success' Greece & New Zealand have had in managing their instances of the pandemic.

Greece has just 146 deaths, New Zealand 20

Before you say, but ah they're spread out and different country etc. etc. yes, it does to a degree play a part. However the single biggest thing that they did was to lockdown fast and they did it hard.

The government has had the same evidence as other western countries, the issue is they made bad decisions at the outset.

Carth

04-05-2020 13:00

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Seeing as we're well into the 'numbers game' . . .

Can someone post up a list of countries with figures of total infected and subsequent survival figures?

. . . or is it just a race to the top with deaths?

mrmistoffelees

04-05-2020 13:08

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36033833)

It's available on the Johns Hopkins dashboard

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/a...23467b48e9ecf6

Carth

04-05-2020 13:13

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36033834)

It's available on the Johns Hopkins dashboard

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/a...23467b48e9ecf6

Tells me 902 have recovered in the UK from 187,842 confirmed cases . . got anything accurate?

mrmistoffelees

04-05-2020 13:17

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36033835)

Tells me 902 have recovered in the UK from 187,842 confirmed cases . . got anything accurate?

It's as good as the data it's provided with....

NHS ?

Carth

04-05-2020 13:18

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36033836)

It's as good as the data it's provided with....

NHS ?

Case rests m'lud regarding statistics :p:

mrmistoffelees

04-05-2020 13:32

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36033837)

Case rests m'lud regarding statistics :p:

Not really. But, whatever helps you sleep at night.

joglynne

04-05-2020 13:36

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36033837)

Case rests m'lud regarding statistics :p:

Try this site Carth. Scan down to all the results in table format. Figures are still being posted for to-day but most every figure is in for yesterday.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

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Worldometer is a provider of global COVID-19 statistics for many caring people around the world. Our data is also trusted and used by the UK Government, Johns Hopkins CSSE, the Government of Thailand, the Government of Pakistan, Financial Times, The New York Times, Business Insider, BBC, and many others.

Over the past 15 years, our statistics have been requested by, and provided to: Oxford University Press, Wiley, Pearson, CERN, World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), The Atlantic, BBC, Milton J. Rubenstein Museum of Science & Technology, Science Museum of Virginia, Morgan Stanley, IBM, Hewlett Packard, Dell, Kaspersky, PricewaterhouseCoopers, Amazon Alexa, Google Translate, the United Nations Conference on Sustainable Development (Rio+20), the U2 concert, and many others.

Russ	04-05-2020 14:26

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Lowest rise in 7 weeks. Yep tomorrow we'll have the rest of the weekend numbers but this is still very encouraging.

denphone

04-05-2020 15:13

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Its certainly a improvement as tomorrow , Wednesday and Thursday should reveal more.

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Apparently Buzzfeed have obtained The Government’s Draft Plan To Ease Coronavirus Lockdown Measures In The Workplace.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexwickham...rkpace-in-full

papa smurf

04-05-2020 15:55

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36033843)

Once you've gone through all that twaddle the day will be over before any work is done, glad i'm retired.