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Highy usual for Major to intervene in such a way.

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Major has never liked Johnson and tried to veto his selections as an MP in the early days.


Let's not bear a grudge eh?

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John Major wasn't a Eurosceptic, at least not in the years he was in power.

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All roads lead to brexit, bozo and his chums believe "delivering" it has given them a get out of jail free card for pretty much anything, our trade losses are 178 times greater than our gains and no one bats an eyelid, we are now exporting beef and pork carcasses to Holland and Ireland because we have no butchers or meat processors here, adds £1500 per trailer to the costs and adds a load of paperwork both of which we were told were going to be slashed and no one says a word let alone attempts to hold anyone accountable

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But just think, in 50 years or so everything may come good if man of the people Rees Mogg is correct. Something to celebrate :o:

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We were discussing this weekend if there was a trade war, what would hurt the UK most? I think from a political point of view, big fat tariffs on cars would do the trick. For my business, it would be data equivalency. Not being able to handle personally identifiable data of EU citizens would shut down most of our customer service/orders department which is based in the UK in a shot. We would need to fly customer service reps out and house them in the EU for order processing. That's nearly 100 people, leaving only a few who would handle UK and non-EEA orders. Yikes!

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Originally he was for a referendum but against leaving. He's then called out the issues after the vote that he feels are damaging to the UK

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ver-leaving-eu

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To be fair I think that a fair few people who initially voted to remain would be in favour of leaving after seeing how the EU behaved in negotiations etc. But then, on the other hand, you'd probably see a fair few the other way round wanting to remain after seeing what a mess leaving is looking like...


The issue with the tories is that a lot of high profile MPs or former MPs were fundamentally in favour of leaving where a lot of them also were in favour of remaining, the split has been going on for years (and probably didn't help Major's government either) which is why they had difficulty going through the WA until May quit. When Labour basically vote with the whip it does make the job harder.



I think also some people are expecting results overnight whereas we lose access to the single market and what the EU can get us (and vice versa) and then have to do this for ourselves, we have the trade deal with the EU, and other countries, but these take time to work on - like presumably the EU's deals did initially. It's going to take a few years to sort out.

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Can you define what you mean by sacrificing NI. Sacrificing it to the Single Market and accepting a sea border? Or something more drastic?

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Crikey! I can see this being built into companies' risk assessments when considering investing in the UK now, which is not a good thing.

I think whilst the unelected Frost may be a bit of an ideologist, Johnson is elected, and more of a realist and wouldn't want to risk such an outcome. That assumes he is aware of outcomes like this and doesn't choose to call it Project Fear or blame business for not preparing for it.

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Yeah, I am trying to find out where all of our customer data is currently held. This would be for our ordering system and sales and marketing system. If the data is held in the EU, then it would be a big problem as we would just need to shift people who have access to the data abroad. If the data is held in the UK, then this would be a VERY big problem as we would need to shift the data AND the people.

I look after the UK and one EU country. Most of my work is that EU country, reflected the relative size of the industries there. Not quite sure how that would be managed.

That said, all hypothetical worst case stuff for a bit of an exercise...

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I tend to live life by the saying, "if you assume, you make an ass out of you and me" hence I clarified. ;)

That's quite a big sacrifice.

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If N.I. decided to split from the UK and become part of the EU, would we still have these arguments about sea borders etc?

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They would be treated like the rest of the EU so there would be more checks than now which the Unionists would not like.

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The issue is basically you have two factions in NI, One wants it united with the UK, one with the ROI, this has been an issue kept under wraps for ages, and is the issue here again...