Cable Forum - Britain outside the EU

From actual Protocol.

The problem is that it all relies on the EU not being awkward as part of the Joint Committee.
Just look at France and their fishermen for how that is going to go.
IIRC Under WTO rules, if a territory has different customs rules, then it is formally a separate territory under WTO rules. As there are rules for between NI & GB, NI is a separate customs territory.
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If NI is part of the UK customs territory as specified in the Protocol, then GB cannot have "separate tariffs or other regulations of commerce are maintained for a substantial part of the trade" with NI. Otherwise NI becomes a separate customs territory and things get even more messy.NI(ie UK government) would have to come to a formal trade agreement with GB(ie UK government again).

And where does it mention "EU Single Market", which you said NI wasn’t part of?

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NI is not part of the EU single market

Who to believe - the NI Assembly, the NI Government, the Irish Government Tax Authorities, or you?

Tricky one…

jonbxx

20-10-2021 15:14

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To be fair, Poland has been pretty dodgy recently with their judiciary, packing the courts with political appointees and summarily dismissing judges who rule against the government. The ECHR has found the Polish government to be in breach or Article 6, the right to a fair trial, a couple of times now.

Breaching and, importantly, continuing to breach the ECHR doesn't give the EU anywhere to go - Poland will be in breach of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union by extension
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in other news, Her Maj had a visitor yesterday at Buckingham Palace, the new EU Ambassador to the UK João Vale de Almeida - https://twitter.com/EUdelegationUK/s...76873167917066

BenMcr

20-10-2021 15:22

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36098208)

And where does it mention "EU Single Market", which you said NI wasn’t part of?

Who to believe - the NI Assembly, the NI Government, the Irish Government Tax Authorities, or you?

Tricky one…

Or this

https://assets.publishing.service.go...LATIONSHIP.pdf

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Articles 5-10 set out the provisions under which Northern Ireland can remain aligned with specific EU rules in customs, goods, VAT, and the Single Electricity Market. As this is defining a single regulatory system in which Northern Ireland goods are in the same competitive environment as those in Ireland, State aid rules apply for any measures affecting trade between Northern Ireland and the EU, including the operation of the Single Electricity Market. All these arrangements are subject to the ongoing consent of the Northern Ireland Assembly, and lapse if that consent is not given

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15.Paragraph 4 of the same Article then establishes a single regulatory zone on the island of Ireland. This involves Northern Ireland aligning with the specific EU regulations listed in Annex 2 on agri-food products and manufactured goods.

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22.The practical effect of these provisions taken together is that, for as long as it wishes it, Northern Ireland is part of a single regulatory zone on the island of Ireland in which it aligns on a set of EU rules covering trade in goods. But all these arrangements will lapse if there is not consent to sustain them in Northern Ireland.

nomadking

20-10-2021 16:30

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WTO rules don't exclude agreements between different customs territories, ie NI and EU, but the establishment of the NI customs territory means there should be full WTO tariffs and customs rules between NI & GB, in both directions. NI cannot be in the same customs territory as GB as well as with the EU. Just not possible under WTO rules.

Hugh	20-10-2021 16:39

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Best tell all the signatories, then, and get them to fix it...

BenMcr

20-10-2021 16:59

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36098214)

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36098215)

Best tell all the signatories, then, and get them to fix it...

Doesn't look like anyone has complained yet

https://www.qub.ac.uk/sites/post-bre...eOrganization/

TheDaddy

21-10-2021 09:51

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36097237)

being due to Brexit. However, the problem is worldwide and clearly nothing to do with Brexit.

Raab agrees with you, he was on the radio this morning saying the same, slept through the interview annoyingly but heard extracts, he has a solution to, prisoners on day release and ex offenders, rehabilitation of offenders has no bigger advocate than me, I've even lobbied my MP over changes to the DBS system (to no avail at the time but the changes I wanted to see are in place now so it's moot I guess) and given the attitude then compared to now, I wonder where this welcomed about turn has come from

1andrew1

21-10-2021 10:16

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36098293)

Asylum-seekers would be up for it too.

The fact that the US has problems with discharging ships' cargo does not mean that Brexit hasn't worsened or improved the discharging ships' cargo situation in the UK.

OLD BOY

21-10-2021 20:05

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36098295)

Brexit has exacerbated both problems (lorry driver shortages and container ship delays at ports, which are both connected, of course) but Brexit is not the actual cause of either. Had there not been a pandemic, I doubt that these problems would have arisen.

Carth

28-10-2021 23:07

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The French and this fishing boat episode, the threats of further stuff, and the way they serenely ignore those people leaving their shores by dinghy . . is it time we gave the buggers a good kicking? :D

heero_yuy

29-10-2021 07:55

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36099156)

Start by insisting that every bottle of Champaign must be opened by customs and checked for contamination. :D

Sephiroth

29-10-2021 08:05

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That Macron & his ministers are behaving like Putin (as in threatening to cut off the electricity interconnect is best countered by diplomacy and whatever legal devices are at our disposal.

We should keep up the dialogue, especially in public, as much as possible so as to ridicule France even in the EU's eyes. As in "we are surprised that such a long standing ally and friend should stoop to this sort of provocative behaviour".

They really are beyond the pale.

Hom3r

29-10-2021 09:50

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Well we should boycott all French produce.

I only buy British where possible.

Maggy

29-10-2021 10:07

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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36099166)

Well we should boycott all French produce.

I only buy British where possible.

Where do you buy British from?

Hom3r