Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36126300)

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36126368)

They were ‘leaving’ speeches, not parties, and the police recognised that, which is why he didn’t get a fine for those occasions. So of course he would do it again.

This doesn’t seem to be sinking into your cerebellum very well, ianch. Never mind, you’ll never be alone on this forum!

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Oh, I get it. I also get it that some of the rules are pathetic and stupid and need to be consigned to the history books. If anyone can inject a bit of common sense into the way we do things in this country, he can.

We get in a fluster because Boris wants to introduce steel tariffs because it ‘breaks the law’, and yet EU countries do it all the time with impunity.

Remainiacs complain that the government wants to change the NI protocol, pointing out with relish that it is ‘the deal that Boris signed’. They ignore the fact that the only reason we need to change it is because of remainer sabotage and the obstacles the EU is putting in the way.

All this nonsense must stop. This and the growing woke culture is of huge concern to people who want the best for our country.

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You are only correct on one thing - this is not the Brexit thread. May I delicately point out that you were the one who raised Brexit.

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The deal has been done but it’s not yet been implemented. We haven’t even got rid of the bureaucratic EU rules yet.

With Cakegate declining in the public consciousness, perhaps we can now get on with the real business. You can’t complain about what hasn’t been achieved when these obstacles are continually thrown at Boris to divert attention from the important things.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36126378)

Don't hold your breath on a bonfire of red tape, Old Boy. Business is not queuing up for it.

The Brexit deal has largely been implemented. You seem to be asking for extra time after the ref's blown his whistle. One implementation exception being UK exports to the EU are checked but UK imports from the EU are not. No prizes for guessing that UK exporters feel they are at a disadvantage.

Cakegate was never in the public consciousness, I think you must mean Partygate. That's evolved onto the how-long-will-he-last? question.

Johnson brought Partygate upon himself. Unlike Covid 19 or the invasion of Ukraine.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36126382)

There you go Sephiroth, using woke as a distraction, pathetic and so easy to see through



I'm not really sure I want to see a bonfire of red tape and regulations, I ask myself who do they benefit, it's like when what ever ponce who is currently chancellor says they'll cut tax as a bribe to the electorate and I sit there thinking how does this really benefit me and what will I spend this new found wealth on, aka a fiver, a week/month/year whatever and who does it really benefit, someone on paye earning hundreds of thousands a year would do very well out of it but your little man, not so much and it's with that in mind I look at red tape and regulations, they're for the little mans benefit, I remember saying after the brexit vote when people were saying the employment rules would be ripped up that they wouldn't be only the ones that made it easier to get rid of people or discriminate but even after witnessing that we are still seemingly happy or not paying enough attention for these to be binned to, when will we learn

Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36126380)

Lol, scraping the bottom of the barrel there, Andrew, a laughable link from a dreadful Scottish rag!

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36126383)

Wow, you are that naive you think someone earning hundreds of thousands a year would be on PAYE?

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36126385)

If they're working for a large company they will be. Plus of course share incentives etc.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36126388)

Stop being naive Andrew, Pip obviously knows how this stuff works :rolleyes: :spin:

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36126377)

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36126391)

No, you are wrong. The Conservative Party you seem to refer to is long gone. In it's place is one that values only itself and those that fund it. I am old enough to remember the Conservatives you refer to and, trust me, these are not them.

You admire Gove, Raab, Dorries, Mogg, Braverman, Davis, Frost, etc? I thought your judgement was better than this.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36126392)

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36126391)

No, you are wrong. The Conservative Party you seem to refer to is long gone.

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36126399)

I don’t disagree, the problem with the “general” shift in the political parties is that usual centre fight area. Labour have gone crazy left with the culture war stuff, then veered right with the working mans rights and also just failing to understand anyones thoughts outside of the M25. Whereas the Tory’s are just doing their best to squander all the goodwill they were given in 2019.

Labour, I would argue, are still behind - even after all the shit thrown at Boris - I would also argue that the longer Boris resists all that is thrown at him - the more he will gain.

There is, without doubt, a movement to oust Boris. A democratically elected PM ( that in my
opinion should be removed democratically) but his enemies don’t want that test……..I wonder why?

……….where have seen that before? Not a new move…………………

We will see the attack on Boris continue, hopefully he will stay the course, just to annoy people if nothing else.

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36126399)

Labour, I would argue, are still behind - even after all the shit thrown at Boris - I would also argue that the longer Boris resists all that is thrown at him - the more he will gain.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36126406)

At the moment the polls and the results in by-elections suggest a hung Parliament with Labour as the largest party though. That's not because Labour is barnstorming its way back to popularity but because they have recovered from the Corbyn association and because Starmer doesn't scare people from voting Liberal Democrat. The Tories are losing some Red Wall voters back to Labour and some of their traditional seats to the Liberals.



His enemies in the party don't want it because they're worried about losing seats. Labour would want an election now. Why wouldn't they? Be great timing for them.

But it's not undemocratic for a party to depose their Prime Minister. It's happened to so many Prime Ministers. Johnson himself was part of the clique that removed May. Blair had to make way for Brown. Thatcher was booted out as well and so on.

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36126408)

You can’t measure by-election results like that, during Thatchers reign in the mid 80’s, she and her party lost several by-elections, it looked like the Tories were doomed, however, history shows the Conservatives remained in power, right up until 1997.

Labour are unelectable, everything they touch, turns to shit, they can’t even decide that a woman born with a vagina, is an actual woman. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36126408)

You can’t measure by-election results like that, during Thatchers reign in the mid 80’s, she and her party lost several by-elections, it looked like the Tories were doomed, however, history shows the Conservatives remained in power, right up until 1997.

Labour are unelectable, everything they touch, turns to shit, they can’t even decide that a woman born with a vagina, is an actual woman. :rolleyes: