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They've suggested one of of the many uninhabited scottish islands.
The idea is to give asylum seekers a safe place to be processed, where they will be fed and given health care they require.
I'm pretty sure you'd agree that we should take in as many genuine asylum seekers as we can (and I'm pretty sure Defiant would agree as from what I see, he's against false claiments not genuine ones)
Once processed, as I said, these people would no longer be asylum seekers, they'd have been given asylum, they are genuine, actually fleeing persecution, people definitely in need.
Those with skills already (such as doctors) can be given the extra training/exams so that they can continue in the same field, those without skills can be given training so that they can enter the work force.

The money spent on trying to hunt down people who have dissapeared within the current system would be saved.
People wouldn't feel threatened by open centers filled with 200 single men being created on their back door.
Genuine asylum seekers would be processed much faster.
False asylum seekers would be processed much faster and returned to where they came from, sending a clear message that Britain will only take genuine aslyum seekers.
The great unwashed will know that these people coming out of the center and entering the work force are not scroungers, but genuine asylum seekers who have gone through hell.

Why do you scoff at such a suggestion?

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I think the term do-gooder has a different meaning to many of us!

I am not against anyone who collects for charity or has feelings towards people who have been or are receiving harsh treatment, but in my mind the ones that I class as do-gooders are the ones that have their blinkers on and are only looking at helping a certain group of underdog.

The people that I consider to be do-gooders usually pick on one particular group and concentrate all their energy and emotion in that direction, in most cases totally ignoring the plight of other groups including their own.
I have allways beleived in the saying that charity starts at home, and I admit that I never give money to charities that distribute it to foreign countries.
I suppose I will be labelled as a nasty person, but I think in many cases money is thrown at them to assist without looking at the root of their problem.

However much we all disagree, we can not get away from the fact that mnay of the asylum seekers especially the bogus ones make a lot of effort to make it the last little stretch to the UK.

I just wish I had a couple of empty houses that I could rent out for asylum seekers because a local council is paying almost double the going rate to rent properties for them! (FACT)

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I always vote Tory:)

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Yea....cya :rolleyes:

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I certainly dont scoff at it in theory. BUT the tories basically stuck this idea into there speeches as a vote winner as they know it is the one topic that everyone gets heated up about.
So when they go to this island......that doesnt exist by the way....there are reasons why islands in Scotland have noone living on them...... and start building houses and medical centres etc....and what will happen???? Defiant will moan about all the money being spent on them up there.

What money should be spent on is education of people in Defiants position as all he sees is Asylum Seekers getting more than him. Possibly if he was a bit more educated he would have a bit more compassion.

To be honest I dont think Defiant would agree about even people in genuine need......I have told him countless examples of what has happened to people coming to this country and why they have been branded "bogus" and he still refuses to move his stance.

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Its just a shame that we never actually discuss any other groups that are in need? Why is that? is it because the media dont make a massive thing about it????? Why is homelessness on the agenda and in the Tory and Labour speeches?

Because its not a vote winner thats why!

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I don't have to change my position I'm educated enough to realise whats happening. I think its you that needs to go back to night school. Math's may help you for starter's.

I think your blind to whats really happening because you don't care about this country

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I think you'll find it's more than just an attempt to win votes, especially considering much of their financial plans rely on the savings made.

There are many suitable islands which exist (not quite sure why you said the scottish islands don't).
An island which is unable to sustain farmers etc could still sustain a processing center, even if supplies have to be shipped in each month!
Running a single center would be much cheaper and more effective than the current system of hotels etc.

Rather than assuming things about Defiant, lets ask him.
Defiant, would you moan about what the tories have planned?
Personally, I feel that as a civilised nation we have a duty to assist as many genuine asylum seekers as we can (that means less than would be a burden on our nation's finances etc)

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I'll go with that yes but I think thew most important thing to do next is to let the world know were not the mug's everyone seems to think we are. Surly then only true asylum seekers would come here. We've got to be taugh to be kind

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Exactly, and from what I've seen of the Tory plan, the idea would be any asylum seekers found on the mainland would be shipped to the processing center.
Failed asylum seekers would be sent packing.
Genuine asylum seekers would know all they had to do is report to customs or a police station and will then be moved to the processing center.
There wouldn't be the chance of benifits, or the chance of dissapearing within the system.
That'd be a stronger deterrant than what we have now.

We need to say "If you a genuine we want to help, if you aren't don't even bother"

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What savings? Someone, prolly Defiant, mentioned 1.3 Bn a year, that wouldn't keep the national health going for a week let alone the spending plans of the Torys and the like.

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Thats what they know of. Who knows how many have false documents to claim

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Whatever extra security you put into the system, people will manage to bypass it.

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I'm one for ID cards myself. I have nothing to hide after all

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I think what you see and what i see are two entirely different situations!