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Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35934946)

Not if the information is classified no.

If that's the case a bit stupid to be going public with anything then.

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35934946)

Not if the information is classified no.

From the link

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the FBI issued a rare statement saying that it had had "limited opportunity" to review the document before the House Intelligence committee voted to release it on Monday.

"We are committed to working with the appropriate oversight entities to ensure the continuing integrity of the FISA (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act) process," the FBI statement added.

I believe their concern is that by making the memo public, it will compromise how, and who from, some of the intelligence has been collected (sources and capabilities), thus making it unlikely those sources would ever provide further information.Also, the FBI believe the memo does not provide a full picture - it is using a sub-set of the info to provide a slanted picture.

Re the sources/capabilities, an example of this from my personal experience is that we (the RAF and USAF) used to send up SR71s to tool up and down the East German border (in the 70s and 80s, and this is common knowledge now, no longer classified) to measure the response not only of the Sov Air Force, but also to monitor their radar, radio traffic, and ground to air Elint - if they had known we were doing this, it would have diminished our Sigint collection capabilities.

A previous example is this -

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/...ship-1.5473028

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According to the reports in American media, confirmed largely by Trump's tweets and his spokesman Sean Spicer, the intelligence Trump shared with the Russian foreign minister concerned plans by ISIS to smuggle explosives aboard a civil airliner, disguised as a computer laptop. Throughout the previous decade when the U.S. fought al-Qaida in Iraq and Afghanistan, Israeli intelligence and military labs provided much of the information on jihadists' efforts to prepare more deadly types of improvised bombs for use against American troops.

Israel is the only country to have an intelligence relationship with the U.S. of an intimacy rivaling that of the Five Eyes group of the U.S., Britain, Australia, New Zealand and Canada which reaches back to the Second World War. According to the Wall Street Journal, the intelligence Trump divulged to Lavrov hadnt even been disclosed to the U.S.'s Five Eyes partners. That would be par for the course. Intelligence provided by one nation to an ally is for that allys eyes only. It is up to Israel to decide who else it wants to share it with (and in recent years, the level of cooperation with Britain and Australia is such that it may well have been shared with them as well, by Israel).

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation

BREAKING: Special Counsel, Robert Mueller Postpones Sentencing trial for Michael Flynn. Also, FISA Abuse Memo to be released by the Whitehouse later today, President Trump has Executive power to declassify any classified Document.

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35934947)

If that's the case a bit stupid to be going public with anything then.

No it’s not. The Memo will be declassified by Trump, he has that Executive Privilege. The Memo will be highly critical of the behaviours of some top level FBI officials in the run up to the Election in the U.S.

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation

The Republicans who wrote the partisan memo hadn’t seen the classified information it’s allegedly based on, and Republicans on the Committee voted against allowing the committee to see the information.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/ampht...67e_story.html

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The top Democrat on the House intelligence committee says only two people on the panel have read the classified information that formed the basis for a controversial Republican memo that may soon be released to the public.

According to a transcript released Wednesday, California Rep. Adam Schiff said at a Monday committee meeting that only he and GOP Rep. Trey Gowdy of South Carolina had read the underlying information that informed a classified GOP memo. The panel has voted to publicly release the memo, part of a GOP effort to prove improper use of surveillance by the FBI and Justice Department in the Russia investigation.

Schiff said in the meeting that Republicans had previously voted down a motion to make that underlying information available to all members of the committee.

Also, Trump hadn’t seen the memo when he said he was keen to see it’s release.

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A White House spokeswoman says she is not aware that President Donald Trump has seen a classified memo on the Russia investigation that he favors releasing.

Trump was overheard Tuesday night telling a Republican lawmaker he is "100 percent" in favor of releasing the memo. He spoke on the House floor after his first State of the Union address.

Sarah Huckabee Sanders said on CNN Wednesday morning that she was not aware Trump had seen the memo, adding that he had not "prior to and immediately after" the address.

Sanders said a legal and national security review into the memo continues.

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation

I think if they're going to release the memo they should then allow the underlying materials to be released, at least to the rest of the House.

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35935056)

Why does Trump tweet things that can be easily be proved incorrect?

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...3&d=1517495057

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...4&d=1517495057

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...iewer-numbers/

Because he is a serial liar?

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation

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Originally Posted by Mr Banana (Post 35935071)

Because he is a serial liar?

I don't think he's that clever, which only leaves one conclusion.....

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35935100)

I don't think he's that clever, which only leaves one conclusion.....

. . . the Russians manipulated the viewing figures? :D

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 35935110)

. . . the Russians manipulated the viewing figures? :D

Fake News!

It’s all a Democrats plot - the FBI, NSA, CIA, DIA, ONI, NRO, and all the other agencies in the Intelligence Community have gone back in time and changed the viewing figures! ;)

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35935057)

This seems ominous.

Democrat Adam Schiff is clearly in panic mode, who is doing his best to try and stop the truth coming out about his own party trying to steal an election. He is kicking up a huge stink, but he can do what he wants, the memo is being declassified and released tomorrow. The edits were minor grammatical error corrections.

Two top level FBI chiefs are said to have read the Memo earlier in the week and found no inaccuracies regarding the Intelligence gathered in it.

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35935126)

I bet the Democrats really would like to go back in time, change their candidate choice and try not rig an Election, while at same time, corrupt one of the top law Enforcement in the World, the FBI and then get caught doing so later down the line.

The Original House Intel Memo will be released tomorrow, unredacted.

Democrat Adam Schiff is clearly in panic mode, who is doing his best to try and stop the truth coming out about his own party trying to steal an election. He is kicking up a huge stink, but he can do what he wants, the memo is being declassified and released tomorrow. The edits were minor grammatical error corrections.

Two top level FBI chiefs are said to have read the Memo earlier in the week and found no inaccuracies regarding the Intelligence gathered in it.

Would this be the same FBI that re-opened the Clinton investigation 11 days before the election, then 9 days later announced there was nothing new or incriminating about the purportedly new information?

The only corruption has been the Republicans debasing their once great party by making false accusations to muddy the waters around Trump - they used to be the party of law and order, now they are just the party if Trump.

The"two top level FBI chiefs" are not happy, which is why they said was

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“With regard to the House Intelligence Committee’s memorandum, the FBI was provided a limited opportunity to review this memo the day before the committee voted to release it,” the statement said. “As expressed during our initial review, we have grave concerns about material omissions of fact that fundamentally impact the memo’s accuracy.”

It was a Republican who said the FBI chiefs didn’t have a problem, not the FBI chiefs - that statement was as accurate as most of the things they have said.

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35935129)

Absolute bollocks Hugh.

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35935126)

Two top level FBI chiefs are said to have read the Memo earlier in the week and found no inaccuracies regarding the Intelligence gathered in it.

Why did they object so strongly then?

Incidentally it seems their concerns are 1) the release of the intelligence and 2) it's being released out of context and, since they cannot release classified intelligence, they can't respond.