Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35918290)

Yeah that's called the real world. It's happened and we're still in the EU, the EU hasn't prevented it and isn't immune from similar action by the US if they decide it's warranted so I have no idea what your point is.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35918293)

The point I would imagine is just how difficult it would be in negotiating a trading deal with the US. Especially in the very anti-free trade, pro-protectionist, environment we have now. The truth is the terms of any deal will be far more favourable to the US than the UK.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35918293)

The point I would imagine is just how difficult it would be in negotiating a trading deal with the US. Especially in the very anti-free trade, pro-protectionist, environment we have now. The truth is the terms of any deal will be far more favourable to the US than the UK.

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35918318)

And is that any different within the EU? The EU is far more antagonistic towards the US than the UK is so if things get bad with the Americans the EU is going to suffer just as much if not more than we are..

Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35918354)

If people on here are not aware of what the UK has to offer the U.S.A then you really don't understand the current arrangement we have much less any future deal and the U.S.A will definately be open to a wider trade aggreement then we currently have. Having observed the attitude on here that the UK has nothing to offer and will accept table scraps from whoever we do trade deals with also shows that despite what you think you don't understand or have any real knowledge of a sector where the UK is at worst at the forefront and usually is ahead of all competitors.

Personally I'm sick and tired of the entire defeatist attitude and the willingness at any point to run the UK down and often by elevating the position of the EU. Deals are being negotiated already and thank god the people handling them don't have the online attitude and view of the UK. Yes so far our negotiations with the EU haven't been very positive but I'm starting to understand the approach and the outcome that is being prepared for. I think the best thing for some on here is to move to the EU and leave the UK in your back mirror best outcome for everyone.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35918302)

As for TTIP, don't expect the EU to sign up to that any time soon. I would have been in my grave for a century by the time that happens, and even that will be a miracle!

Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35918354)

If people on here are not aware of what the UK has to offer the U.S.A then you really don't understand the current arrangement we have much less any future deal and the U.S.A will definately be open to a wider trade aggreement then we currently have. Having observed the attitude on here that the UK has nothing to offer and will accept table scraps from whoever we do trade deals with also shows that despite what you think you don't understand or have any real knowledge of a sector where the UK is at worst at the forefront and usually is ahead of all competitors.

Personally I'm sick and tired of the entire defeatist attitude and the willingness at any point to run the UK down and often by elevating the position of the EU. Deals are being negotiated already and thank god the people handling them don't have the online attitude and view of the UK. Yes so far our negotiations with the EU haven't been very positive but I'm starting to understand the approach and the outcome that is being prepared for. I think the best thing for some on here is to move to the EU and leave the UK in your back mirror best outcome for everyone.

Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35918354)

If people on here are not aware of what the UK has to offer the U.S.A then you really don't understand the current arrangement we have much less any future deal and the U.S.A will definately be open to a wider trade aggreement then we currently have. Having observed the attitude on here that the UK has nothing to offer and will accept table scraps from whoever we do trade deals with also shows that despite what you think you don't understand or have any real knowledge of a sector where the UK is at worst at the forefront and usually is ahead of all competitors.

Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 35918388)

Do you think something better than TTIP is possible if we go alone?

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35918318)

And is that any different within the EU? The EU is far more antagonistic towards the US than the UK is so if things get bad with the Americans the EU is going to suffer just as much if not more than we are.

The 'deal' we currently have have with the EU as a member is far more favourable to them than us in various ways which is why we voted to leave.

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35918406)

In a slightly different point good grief, Dan Hannan really has gone off the deep end. I genuinely can't believe I used to take this man seriously. He's a moron, a liar, or both.

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The tariff is on finished aircraft from Bombardier. As in Bombardier, Quebec, Canada. As in Canada, member of NAFTA, North American Free Trade Agreement, along with the USA and Mexico, an agreement considerably deeper and more encompassing than a basic FTA.

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35918516)

Hmm.

http://news.sky.com/story/sir-jeremy...m-fox-11059514



Those people who voted leave thinking it would deliver lower immigration would be extremely disappointed in the IFT's vision: it's essentially a deregulated, low tax, zero trade barrier economy along the lines of Singapore, and evidently that vision is one shared at the upper echelons of government. Half of Singapore's population are immigrants, their economy relies on free movement of goods, services, capital and labour where possible.

This vision is actually pretty much what you would expect from Boris Johnson, Liam Fox, Daniel Hannan, etc. They are neo-liberal in the extreme. I have no idea what else anyone would've expected them to look for.

That aside it seems abundantly clear that we shouldn't be paying for celebration of the launch of a think tank. Daniel Hannan is not a part of HMG, but is certainly a member of the Conservative Party and a Conservative MEP.

Be interesting to see what happens.

What a fantastic choice we have in the UK. The Tory dog is having its tail wagged by those who want the UK to become Singapore, and they find the EU too socialist, restrictive, etc, the Labour leader wants Brexit because those awful neo-liberal EU types prevent his protectionism and state subsidy plans but seems to be slowly pushed towards a more moderate position.

Schrodinger's European Union. The libertarian-right think it's socialist and protectionist, the authoritarian-left think it's neo-liberal crony capitalist. We were promised Schrodinger's exit from the EU: all things were promised to all people depending on their own desires. The socialist case was made by some, the neo-liberal case by others, with those awful people in the middle that've become pretty much marginalised now in this new era of extremes wanting the UK to leave the political union but continue to pool sovereignty as a part of the EEA.

I'm hoping that the Conservative Party conference gets their internal power struggles sorted so that this process and, indeed, the entire Government, is no longer being run as a proxy war for control of that party and we get a clearer idea of what exactly the plans are. Right now I've no idea as Boris Johnson can't seem to keep it schtum and Liam Fox has a history of mentally masturbating over the idea of deregulation and a bonfire of workers' rights that he's reminded us of with his support for Hannan's think tank while Theresa May, echoed by Phillip Hammond, talks about a less turbulent approach.

I personally would probably benefit from the IFT's approach. Chances are 90%+ of this forum and the country wouldn't. Singapore is wealthy, and for those with means it's an incredible place. It's also horrifically unequal, and the Government have control over many things Hannan et al would leave to the private sector making things potentially worse here.