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Osem 14-09-2015 22:05
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Corbyn's been able to say pretty much what he wanted for years because nobody much was listening and even fewer cared. Now he's well and truly in the spotlight and every word he speaks will be scrutinised and compared against his past utterings. It's just a question of time before he's exposed as the liability he is.

Damien 14-09-2015 22:12
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We're also going to have to deal with years of whining and accusations of conspiracy overtime a news outlet dares expose one of these things he has said or done. That's what seems to happen now, everyone gets into their little groups and everything said against their party is deemed to be part of the great media conspiracy.

It's useful for political leaders to be portray the media as against them as then they can rarely be held to account as every negative story isn't something that they should answer but a subversion of the democratic process which engages their support.

Bah.

Ignitionnet 14-09-2015 22:17
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Oh blimey.

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Mr Corbyn has agreed to join the Queen's Privy Council. There had been speculation that the staunch republican would refuse to join the council. Now that he has agreed he will be required to kneel before Her Majesty and kiss her hand to formalise the appointment. If he had refused to join, there was a suggestion that the Government would restrict sensitive information around Isil would be withheld from him.
The really epic part about this is that he would fail, and fail hard, even the more superficial vetting.

EDIT: I ignore there the abysmal English in the above copy/paste from a national newspaper website, it being very clear to all by now that no-one bothers to proof-read anything they upload to websites, merely relying on the spell checker.

Damien 14-09-2015 22:21
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Presumably he doesn't require the vetting now? Getting an effective pass because he is the leader of the opposition and thus entitled to the post.

At least he has accepted it though.

TheDaddy 14-09-2015 22:26
Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?
 
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35797790)
I don't understand why being radically different is commendable for a party who wants to be the next Government? The nature of our system means that one of these two parties will be governing the country and as a result both of them have to gain support from a broad section of the electorate and most of them are centrists - this has been shown time and time again at election time - so to move away from them to appeal to a narrow but motivated minority seems to be nothing but self-indulgent wallowing. Labour are meant to be a party who seek to govern not a pressure group. The fringe parties are better places to promote radical ideas.

What really is the point of Labour if they don't want to win elections? You can talk about finally having a choice but if a party has no chance of winning an election then there isn't really a choice...
And having Tony or Dave was a choice, copying someone else to a degree where you can't tell them apart isn't a choice either

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35798060)
Presumably he doesn't require the vetting now? Getting an effective pass because he is the leader of the opposition and thus entitled to the post.

At least he has accepted it though.
Given how he keeps being described as a serious threat to Britain wouldn't it be advisable to keep him well away from sensitive information or launch a drone against him in the same way we did those isis brits who were also a serious threat

Derek 14-09-2015 22:29
Re: [Update] Jeremy Corbyn wins Labour Leadership
 
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35798060)
Presumably he doesn't require the vetting now? Getting an effective pass because he is the leader of the opposition and thus entitled to the post.
He will be in a position where all manner of highly sensitive information will come his way. Information that some of his 'friends' would quite literally kill to get access to.

He wouldn't pass vetting in a million years which puts the security services in a bind. Do they restrict what he gets access to and get busy with the redacting pens, give him full access and hope for the best or pay some very close attention to his meetings and communications.

Not an easy one whatever happens.

Ignitionnet 14-09-2015 22:35
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I imagine MI5 have been watching him for a while and the level of scrutiny went up several notches last weekend.

Damien 15-09-2015 08:50
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I am not sure they can decide to withhold information from him can't they? Surely people elected to positions that come with a privy council invitation are immune from seeking clearance?

Carlos Carboni 15-09-2015 09:02
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Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35798063)
He will be in a position where all manner of highly sensitive information will come his way. Information that some of his 'friends' would quite literally kill to get access to.
I can see Corbyn and his red comrades exploiting the information, quite literally killing (your words) anybody they do not like! The blue skies of Britain will be littered with red drones, right and right (not left). :p:
Come on, Corbyn is a re-conciliator!

@Ignitionet I did miss Corbyn's stance on the Mohamed's cartoon publication. Hmmm, not nice, I do not like it. Thanks. Good point.

Hugh 15-09-2015 09:30
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erm, 'literally' can be used for added effect...

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/de...lish/literally

Maggy 15-09-2015 09:30
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You do realise that a fair proportion of his constituency are Muslims,Hindus,Sikhs..this may explain some of his past utterances..Anyway we are a long way from a general election..and all your fears may never come to pass..;)

Ignitionnet 15-09-2015 10:23
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35798099)
You do realise that a fair proportion of his constituency are Muslims,Hindus,Sikhs..this may explain some of his past utterances..
In which case down goes his claim to be genuine, not like other politicians and say what he thinks.

If he's telling people what they want to hear in order to get elected, at the expense of the principles he apparently holds dear, that speaks badly of him.

It's a no-win when you come out with some of the things he has and associate with some of the groups and people he has.

If he's telling Muslims he's against free speech and fair criticism when he actually holds more liberal views in order to win their votes he's a duplicious excrement. If he places religious sensitivities above a human right he's at best illiberal.

EDIT: A number of other words came to mind besides illiberal but I'm trying not to be overly emotive.

Carlos Carboni 15-09-2015 11:11
Re: [Update] Jeremy Corbyn wins Labour Leadership
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35798098)
erm, 'literally' can be used for added effect...

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/de...lish/literally
Indeed!

Derek was metaphoric and I was ironic, I took advantage of his emphasis....

....but I was not sarcastic :)

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35798105)
In which case down goes his claim to be genuine, not like other politicians and say what he thinks.

If he's telling people what they want to hear in order to get elected, at the expense of the principles he apparently holds dear, that speaks badly of him.

It's a no-win when you come out with some of the things he has and associate with some of the groups and people he has.

If he's telling Muslims he's against free speech and fair criticism when he actually holds more liberal views in order to win their votes he's a duplicious excrement. If he places religious sensitivities above a human right he's at best illiberal.

EDIT: A number of other words came to mind besides illiberal but I'm trying not to be overly emotive.
I note what you say. Yes, something is bothering me too but I cannot figure it out...

I saw this incident: Corbyn comes out his flat, with his bike, shorts, and t-shirt with hoops, looking ridiculous. Reporters are surrounding him and in a phlegmatic way, he says to his staffer "These people ...." and the staffer opens the Journo pack for Corbyn to pass through while putinng his hand on the camera. The lack of expression in Corbyn's face and his tone, worried me....

http://video.dailymail.co.uk/video/b...8745799001.mp4

Osem 15-09-2015 11:41
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Corbyn's only interested in the free speech which is of use to him.

Ramrod 15-09-2015 13:31
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Jeremy Corbyn fails to sing God Save the Queen at Battle of Britain service
Wearing a red tie with his shirt unbuttoned at the top, the newly-elected Labour leader stood solemn, but silent
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A**hole :dozey:


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