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Maggy

13-06-2014 16:21

Re: Ukraine on the verge of civil war!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27829773

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Government troops in eastern Ukraine have won back the port city of Mariupol from pro-Russian separatist rebels after heavy fighting.

Osem	13-06-2014 22:04

Re: Ukraine on the verge of civil war!

I think Putin's game is far from over and that he believes the west has no appetite for real confrontation over this. He's got Crimea and he believes he can take more.

Osem	15-08-2014 18:06

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Ukraine says it has partially destroyed an armoured column crossing from Russia, as a controversial Russian aid convoy still waits at the border.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28810622

This could get very nasty.

heero_yuy

15-08-2014 18:19

Re: Ukraine on the verge of civil war!

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35721939)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28810622

This could get very nasty.

So long as we don't do the insanity of guaranteeing a foreign countries boarders. That got us embroiled in two world wars. I hope we've learned that lesson. Though listening to the politicians rhetoric I'm not so sure.

Osem	22-08-2014 13:30

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A senior official in Kiev has accused Russia of invading Ukraine after Russian humanitarian aid lorries crossed the border without permission.

Security chief Valentyn Nalyvaychenko said it was a "direct invasion" but no force would be used against the convoy.

Russia began sending in its lorries, stranded at the border for more than a week, after formally accusing Ukraine of unreasonable obstruction.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28892525

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Russia's foreign ministry has warned Ukraine not to take any action against the convoy, without specifying the consequences.

So Russia warns a sovereign nation against taking action against a foreign convoy which has entered its territory without permission. I wonder if they'd accept that sort of threat if the situation were reversed...

Osem	22-08-2014 21:34

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Russia's decision to send more than 100 aid lorries into war-torn eastern Ukraine without permission has been widely condemned in the West.

The European Union and the US called for them to be withdrawn, calling it a violation of Ukraine's sovereignty. Nato said it would deepen the crisis.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28903829

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Nato's condemnation of the entry of Russia's aid convoy into Ukraine marks a significant hardening of its tone. The statement speaks of "a major escalation in Russian military involvement in eastern Ukraine since mid-August, including the use of Russian forces".

Osem	29-08-2014 20:13

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The crisis in eastern Ukraine is "slipping out of control" and needs to be reigned in to avoid a military clash with Russia, Germany has warned.

Foreign Minister Frank Steinmeier made the remarks on the eve of an EU summit which will consider further sanctions against the Russian government.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28990428

Thought the mere existence of the EU meant this sort of thing could never happen in Europe.

heero_yuy

30-08-2014 09:43

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35725157)

Thought the mere existence of the EU meant this sort of thing could never happen in Europe.

That's what the Europhiles continue to spout. The reality is rather different. The EU has become a divisive, bureaucratic interfering autocratic and undemocratic organisation and we'd be well shot of it.

Sirius

30-08-2014 10:49

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35725238)

That's what the Europhiles continue to spout. The reality is rather different. The EU has become a divisive, bureaucratic interfering autocratic and undemocratic organization and we'd be well shot of it.

Nato is toothless because its member states army's are no more than a token gesture these days. when i was a member of the Armored corp we had 1200 tanks, now we have 50 if the proposed latest cuts hold firm and half of those are in Alberta Canada

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The proposed cuts mean that the country which invented the tank has signalled it is to surrender almost a century’s experience of fighting armoured warfare.

The move also means that the Ministry of Defence will once again throw away billions of pounds in equipment after flushing away £3.6 billion on the new Nimrod reconnaissance aircraft along with millions on axing aircraft carriers and Harrier jets.

Under the plans the 400 strong fleet of Challenger 2 main battle tanks, that played a key role throughout the Iraq campaign, could be reduced to as little as 50 tanks, enough to equip just one regiment.

Osem	30-08-2014 11:07

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I have a feeling that will not happen now. Maybe Putin should have waited a little while longer... :erm:

Osem	30-08-2014 16:32

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EU leaders are meeting in Brussels to discuss the crisis in Ukraine, threatening to impose fresh sanctions against Russia.

EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton accused Russia of "direct aggression" in eastern Ukraine.

Lithuanian President Dalia Grybauskaite said Russia was "practically in a war against Europe".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28993873

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As she arrived at the talks in Brussels, Ms Grybauskaite said: "We need to support Ukraine, and send military materials to help Ukraine defend itself. Today Ukraine is fighting a war on behalf of all Europe."

The stakes are slowly being raised.

richard s

30-08-2014 20:47

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As for the people protesting against NATO... STUPID PEOPLE, if was not for NATO they would be probably speaking Russian and they would not have the right to protest anyway.

I agree with peace though.

Osem	28-05-2015 22:28

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Russian President Vladimir Putin has signed a decree to make losses of Russian troops in peacetime a secret.

The amendment bans information about the deaths of Russian forces "during special operations" in peacetime.

The Kremlin has consistently denied sending regular troops and armour to help rebels in eastern Ukraine.

But a new report from the US says Russia has been using training camps near the border as "launching points of Russia's war in Ukraine".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32913929

He clearly doesn't want his people to know the truth.

Hugh	28-05-2015 22:59

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35780376)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32913929

He clearly doesn't want his people to know the truth.

It's like being back in the Cold War days of Pravda.....:(

Uncle Peter

28-05-2015 23:03

Re: Ukraine on the verge of civil war!

Speaking of which:

Q:How do you ensure that your refrigerator is always full of food?

A:Plug it into Radio Moscow

and

You are general secretary of the central commitee and your train breaks down. Do you:

a) Have everyone taken outside and shot

b) Have everybody rehabilitated

c) Give orders for the curtains to be closed and pretend that you are moving

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