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rogerdraig 06-01-2010 21:17

Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 34940141)
We have several options.

1. blockage WB from these planned marchers.

2. let them march but everybody turns there back on them (this was done in the past to people who left in disgrace.)

3. let them march and throw shoes at them (A insult to muslims)

IMHO the most legal, and less volitile is number 2.


2 and no press

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Originally Posted by Moldova (Post 34940152)
We would not be allowed to stage a similar protest in any muslim country because the locals would attack us and probably kill us.

This march must be banned simply because letting it go ahead will be a propaganda coup for all muslims who hate the west.

This march would not be ignored by the media as they know that the would be a massive story to be had here with the distinct prospect of some serious rioting.

Anyone that thinks that this march should be allowed to go ahead need to look in the mirror and say the following out loud.

"Am I really that stupid and gullible to believe that this protest if allowed will go ahead in a peaceful manner"

If you still think yes then you need to give yourself a good hard slap to try and make you come to your senses.

We have enough hand wringing simpering fools as it is in this country, so wake up and smell the coffee.


it makes no difference what other countries do

if no one turns up to protest against it it would be hard for it to be violent especially as the police would likely still be there

its not about pandering to them its about freedom once you start curtailing it for a non lawful reason ( and there is nothing unlawful about their march that i can see how ever distasteful it is to us ) then you start down a slippery slope

ignoring them is a much better way of showing distaste and takes away what they want which is the publicity and the reactions that they want

the calls to ban it is what they want it gives them more fuel to indoctrinate the vulnerable in their community that they are fighting against the west everywhere


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as to last post again if the bnp want to march as long as its not when the soldiers are being repatriated or when this other march is taking place then let them and ignore them too

Peter_ 06-01-2010 21:28

Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
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Originally Posted by rogermevans (Post 34940252)
2 and no press






ignoring them is a much better way of showing distaste and takes away what they want which is the publicity and the reactions that they want

I have more chance of becoming pope than for the to be no media coverage of this event.

The only media coverage we should have is of them banning this event as otherwise the will be a riot in that town.

SMG 06-01-2010 21:36

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 34940214)
now here's an interesting development [please dont shoot the messenger]



BNP Leaders Vow to Physically Block Islamist Wootton Bassett March

The three highest publicly elected British National Party officials, GLA member Richard Barnbrook and MEPs Nick Griffin and Andrew Brons, have vowed to physically block the road in Wootton Bassett should the authorities permit the threatened Islamist march in that town to proceed.

In an official statement, the BNP announced that it would “defend Wootton Bassett and the memory of our fallen heroes. Nick Griffin MEP, Andrew Brons MEP and Richard Barnbrook AM will block the path of the Muslim fanatics.”

The statement said that the party had warned the authorities after the Luton incident that unless militant Islamism was curbed in Britain, the problem would grow worse.

“Do you remember the outrageous scenes in Luton when our returning soldiers were abused and spat on by fanatical ‘British’ Muslims?,” the statement said.

“The British National Party stated then that this was only the beginning of such vile displays as militant Islam flexes its muscles on our streets.

“We warned the authorities that unless the Government took firm action against these evil haters of all things British, they would become more provocative.

“Well, now as predicted, it’s happened. It has just been announced that the organisation ISLAM4UK, (a platform for the fanatical Al Muhajiroun group) led by Mr Anjem Choudary and a mob of at least 500 Islamic extremists plan to defile the memory of our dead soldiers by marching their hatred through Wootton Basset.

“This is the town through which the flag-draped coffins of our fallen servicemen and women are brought home. It is where families go to pay their respects to our glorious dead as they make the solemn journey to their final resting place. The thought of 500 hateful Islamists desecrating this place and spitting in the face of every true British citizen and the grief-stricken relatives of the dead is truly beyond the pale.

“It must be stopped! We will not have this! They shall not pass!

“The British National Party is under increasing pressure to bring thousands of our angry members onto the streets to stop this outrage.

“However, we are mindful of the sensitive nature and dignity of Wootton Basset and do not wish to add to the problems now faced by the good people of that town, or the families of our fallen soldiers.

“With this in mind, the British National Party WILL take a stand in defence of our heroes by having our two MEPs and our London assembly member use their own bodies to physically block the street and any attempt by Muslim fanatics to insult the memory of our fallen soldiers.

“We appeal to the authorities to do the right thing and arrest these traitorous Muslim fanatics. We are at war. Our men and women are being killed on a daily basis and we are expected to put up with this gross outrage and insult to the families of the fallen. Make no mistake, we are earnest on this issue.

“If the authorities lack the courage and moral fibre to confront this disgusting Muslim march of hate, we believe that the presence of our three highest-profile elected politicians in a peaceful yet highly symbolic defiance of the Muslim mob, will force the Government to ban this vile march.

“If they do not, the PR consequences for them and public support for us will be immeasurable,” the BNP statement concluded.


Funnily enough, I agree with them.

Damien 06-01-2010 21:47

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I don't agree with arresting people for protesting.

SMG 06-01-2010 21:52

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When the protestors are known terrorist sympathisers, I do.

nomadking 06-01-2010 22:01

Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
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Originally Posted by rogermevans (Post 34940252)
2 and no press

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it makes no difference what other countries do

if no one turns up to protest against it it would be hard for it to be violent especially as the police would likely still be there

its not about pandering to them its about freedom once you start curtailing it for a non lawful reason ( and there is nothing unlawful about their march that i can see how ever distasteful it is to us ) then you start down a slippery slope

ignoring them is a much better way of showing distaste and takes away what they want which is the publicity and the reactions that they want

the calls to ban it is what they want it gives them more fuel to indoctrinate the vulnerable in their community that they are fighting against the west everywhere


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as to last post again if the bnp want to march as long as its not when the soldiers are being repatriated or when this other march is taking place then let them and ignore them too

There has been more than one occasion where Muslims were the only protesters present and violence occurred.

There has been more than one occasion where planned marches by BNP or EDL have been banned or at least effectively banned and not because of potential violence from those groups but violence from the 'anti-fascists'/Muslims.

Hugh 06-01-2010 22:04

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 34940285)
There has been more than one occasion where Muslims were the only protesters present and violence occurred.

There has been more than one occasion where planned marches by BNP or EDL have been banned or at least effectively banned and not because of potential violence from those groups but violence from the 'anti-fascists'/Muslims.

Examples, please (and please explain "at least effectively banned).

nomadking 06-01-2010 22:13

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A planned march in Harrow was effectively banned by the authorities advising that it shouldn't go ahead. There was violence where Muslims attacked the Police.

There was violence at a London protest about the Danish cartoons which were about the prophet Mohammed.

rogerdraig 06-01-2010 23:03

Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 34940285)
There has been more than one occasion where Muslims were the only protesters present and violence occurred.

There has been more than one occasion where planned marches by BNP or EDL have been banned or at least effectively banned and not because of potential violence from those groups but violence from the 'anti-fascists'/Muslims.

that is a different matter where there is a known risk ( say bnp plan a march at the same time ) then the police can ban it at that time

but to put a blanket ban on is wrong

nomadking 06-01-2010 23:13

Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
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Originally Posted by rogermevans (Post 34940325)
that is a different matter where there is a known risk ( say bnp plan a march at the same time ) then the police can ban it at that time

but to put a blanket ban on is wrong

In those two instances there was no other group involved, just Muslims on their own. So should a BNP or EDL march be banned because other groups will be violent? Shouldn't those other groups be banned as they are the trouble.

rogerdraig 06-01-2010 23:34

Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 34940330)
In those two instances there was no other group involved, just Muslims on their own. So should a BNP or EDL march be banned because other groups will be violent? Shouldn't those other groups be banned as they are the trouble.

no group should be banned just because another exists but where there would be a clash if both marched at the same time then one or both can be easily banned at that time under the current law

if they manage to cause violence on their own they then play into our hands in the PR side of all this anyhow

but changing the way the law works because of what they are plays right into their PR machines hands

if people cant just ignore them ( which i still say is the best option turning you back to the march etc ) then more ground would be gained by say asking if more people could join them on the march carrying coffins for those Muslims who have died trying to march for democracy in that country often hailed as the democratic Muslim country of Iran

that way they are forced into debating amoungst them selves rather than just aiming at those outside of their faith

divide and ..... much better than attacking a few misguided footsoldiers while the leaders look on and laugh at all that free publicity they are now getting

SMG 07-01-2010 00:05

Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
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Originally Posted by rogermevans (Post 34940334)
if people cant just ignore them ( which i still say is the best option turning you back to the march etc ) then more ground would be gained by say asking if more people could join them on the march carrying coffins for those Muslims who have died trying to march for democracy in that country often hailed as the democratic Muslim country of Iran

What a pile of crap.

With ideas like yours m8 we`ll all be wailing 5 times a day.

These people arnt your everyday Muslims, these people are Fanatics, Terrorist supporters who openly call for Muslim rule, members & creators of known Terrorist groups, people who promote the killing of BRITISH troops, have you any idea what your dealing with here?

The ordinary Muslim doesn't give a crap about these causes, he wants to live in peace & watch his kids grow up, these diseases just want to rule the god damned world & it doesn't matter who gets in the way.

Iran, what a joke, are you serious m8.

Even Chamberlain would be spinning in his grave.

rogerdraig 07-01-2010 00:50

Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
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Originally Posted by SMG (Post 34940338)
What a pile of crap.

With ideas like yours m8 we`ll all be wailing 5 times a day.

These people arnt your everyday Muslims, these people are Fanatics, Terrorist supporters who openly call for Muslim rule, members & creators of known Terrorist groups, people who promote the killing of BRITISH troops, have you any idea what your dealing with here?

The ordinary Muslim doesn't give a crap about these causes, he wants to live in peace & watch his kids grow up, these diseases just want to rule the god damned world & it doesn't matter who gets in the way.

Iran, what a joke, are you serious m8.

Even Chamberlain would be spinning in his grave.

i have a very good idea of what we are dealing with but until they break a law they have to be treated like every one else

and all i see is a press that seems to be doing its best to give these people a platform to advertise themselves

Damien 07-01-2010 08:22

Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
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Originally Posted by SMG (Post 34940338)
Even Chamberlain would be spinning in his grave.

I don't know why people bring up Chamberlain, these are a handful of people not Nazi Germany. Nor are offering them anything, just not banning a protest. Bear in mind that the people commenting in this topic probably already exceed the amount of people that will be at this protest. There were like 5/6 people in Luton.

It really would be better not to ban/censor them, and ignore their march on Wootton Basset. They would soon look stupid if people aren't paying them attention and there are no press or cameras there. It would just be a few guys shouting in a street.

The problem is that won't happen. Elevating the small numbers of **** like Islam4UK (which we are helping to do with the coverage) is exactly what groups like Islam4Uk and the BNP are aiming for. They want conflict between Muslims and Non-Muslims. Not because they want to protect Wootton Bassett from political opportunism, after all the BNP have used it in the past despite objections from the town/army, but because it's part of a campaign they have to persuade more people to join their campaign against Muslims.

Being banned or attacked is exactly what Islam4UK need to try and persuade Muslims that Briton's are actively hostile towards them. Some moderate Muslims would be well justified to wonder why groups like the British Defence League can march outside Mosques and areas with high amounts of Muslims but Muslims get banned from staging a similarly provocative protest.

nomadking 07-01-2010 09:05

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5/6 people in Luton? Then how come 7 Muslims are facing charges?:confused:


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