Re: "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"
 

My sister and brother in law are prison officers Nr Doncaster, they tell me that mobiles are not permitted to be takin into the prison by prison officers.

Apparently alot of the phones are simply thrown over the wall to the prisoners by "well-wishers" aka relatives/cohorts etc.:erm:

Re: "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"
 

Are you sure that any of the computers prisoners use have internet access?

Re: Prison inmates bullying their victims
 

Didn't this story start a few days ago accusing Jack Straw of trying to prevent Facebook from allowing nasty messages being posted. If I remember rightly a lot of people were saying that he shouldn't do that, because it was government interference and "Nanny State". Now, of course, when the true nature of the proposal is brought to light, it seems a good idea. That's odd, isn't it?

Re: "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"
 

I am sure there are uni directional mobile jammers now i believe the US military uses them in their penal system. Lets be honest this is a ridiculous problem to be having it really is and will further fuel the anger many have in relation to our prison system. It is simple really make walls that high you cannot just throw them over although personally surely guards walk the perimeter and therefore should be able to stop that.

Or failing all that make them all go through a scanner of some sort that will detect any phones not handed over and add time to any convict who has a friend\relative trying to smuggle one in. Also making that a criminal offence would be good and i bet if people thought they could join said friend\relative for a one to one chat in a cell if they try it many will decide against it. As for computers in prisons yeah ok i can see the need to train those that want too but they should not have unrestricted internet access and that is something that can be sorted quite easily..

Re: Prison inmates bullying their victims
 

You'd have to take that up with them.

Yes and it is a good idea but so's the idea of preventing the use of mobile phones etc. in our prisons - especially the high security ones. It'd have been even better, however, if these people hadn't been allowed to do it right under the noses of Jack Straw and the prison authorities in the first place wouldn't you say? Hence the reason for the OP and the subject and this thread dedicated to New Labour's tough talking and abject failure to deliver on so many of their promises.

Re: "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"
 

I thought the punishment of a prison sentence was to take away the freedoms of the convicted? Phones, Computers, Games Consoles, TV's Etc etc. Some of them are living the life of Riley. No wonder they re-offend!

Re: Prison inmates bullying their victims
 

If these means of communication are successfully prevented, don't you think they will find other ways. Prisoners have been able to communicate with the outside world for centuries. How do you think they did it before the advent of mobile telephony?

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Have you ever been inside a prison?

Re: Prison inmates bullying their victims
 

well yes i agree to an extent ,but we shouldn't be making things this easy for them

Re: "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"
 

Innocent law abiding people should have all the convinience of modern living not those found guilty of crimes and sent to prison. This is a problem and has to be sorted out and the growth of the internet is not something that a ******* in prison should be able to use to further intimidate or harass their victims.

Re: Prison inmates bullying their victims
 

Not yet, but I'm very close to a few people who have been, and some who still are.

Re: Prison inmates bullying their victims
 

Yes they may well find alternatives but that's hardly an argument for allowing them to carry on doing what they currently are is it - especially when you've talked as tough as Jack Straw and the succession of ineffectual Home Secretaries have over the years...

Re: Prison inmates bullying their victims
 

Please point to where I said that it was alright for them to use mobile phones.

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Have you told them about their lives of Reilly?

Re: Prison inmates bullying their victims
 

Please point out where I said that you'd said that. I couldn't care less what you think - what Jack Straw thinks, says and does/doesn't do is of far more concern to me.

Re: Prison inmates bullying their victims
 

are you serious
,one bloke i know and still know very well was known as a "listener" because he had been in before ,new the score and could show all the new prisoners how "the system works" he had a nice little setee in his cell served 2 years of a nine year sentance and spent the third on home leave at the weekends bangin his girlfriend

Re: Prison inmates bullying their victims
 

Perhaps when you wrote this?