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Terrific performance by Liverpool last night, mind you PSV were awful, they must have played some real c**p teams to get this far.:D
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Chelsea boss Jose Mourinho has rubbished Valencia's complaints that the away dressing room at Stamford Bridge is a "rat-hole" with only one mirror and three showers. He says it has two mirrors and 10 showers. (Daily Star)
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Roma 2-1 Man Utd :(
United were up against it for an hour and held out quite well without that wonderful tackler Scholes. One goal is all that is required at OT to go through. I have a feeling in the return leg that Roma's formation will be 5-4-1.............It could be one of those frustrating games AGAIN |
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See English football fans were at it again last night - disgraceful.
I think its about time UEFA stepped in with another ban on travelling fans or better yet a ban on English clubs in Europe for a year or two until they get the message (again). Good result though. |
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well once again VDS punches the ball out to the other team and they score .. he did the same against Reading but then we was 4-0 up so it didn't matter this time it did
all season he hasn't known whether to come off his line or not and he starts to come then stops and he never tells Rio and Vidic what is going on behind and in front of them like a good goalkeeper should.. he past his best and flaps at things and punches and it looking too old |
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well seeing as Roma launched an unprovaked attacked on some fans before the game and stabbed people surely they should be banned from Europe.. they also stabbed Boro fans last year too
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I never said anything about the Italian support as we all know what they are like and some of you have already posted about what should happen to that lot.
Besides, this being the UK the behaviour of the English shows up all the home nations and its my right to complain about it and request something is done. Why is it that when English fans go abroad they always seem to get into trouble. Its always the other team / the police / any other reason you can pull out the hat, never ever the fault of the travelling support. |
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Top 5 Goalkeepers
As at: Tue 03 Apr 07 09:35 Name Index Score Overall Index Rank Team 1 edwin van der sar 406 17 Manchester United 2 marcus hahnemann 401 20 Reading 3 david james 393 23 Portsmouth 4 jose reina 392 24 Liverpool 5 tim howard 385 26 Everton Actim Index How accurate is the Actim Index? The calculations are based on the four key factors that contribute to a player's effectiveness and his ability to help his team win matches. The formulae were devised through analysis of hundreds of games since the start of the Premiership in 1992 and have been statistically proven to measure a player's effectiveness in winning matches. |
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well i'd rather have Foster in goal than VDS.. put it this way of VDS had been at Watford he would be lower down the stats and would have let in more goals than Foster has
Cech is a bit more of an old style English keeper.. if the ball is in your hands or off the pitch then the other team can't score Robinson kept the ball alive in one of Englands games with a punch and they scored from it VDS kept the ball alive against Roma and Reading and both teams scored also it's not just the English that cause trouble in Europe http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...rs/6471751.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...rs/6458473.stm maybe we should ban all Scottish teams as well |
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It wasn't a dig at him honest :angel: I realise who he supports, I'm merely pointing out, if people have no experience of actually being there, there is plenty of opinions simply by looking at footage that the press boys want us to see, rather than the mitigating circumstances. I've witnessed events, before and after european games, that never get any air time, and why should they, that would deviate from the sensationalism the press like to report. |
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Incidentally, i am condoning the actions of the Police here, what i am doing is criticizing the actions of the Man U fans.
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But im not wrong, im right and unless something is done, someone is going to die or be very seriously injured. IF away fans cannot behave - ban them - i don't care who they support, better yet - ban the teams involved and hit them where it hurts. Take my thread on Rangers, since i wrote that, where again I was berated for my stance and fed the usual "it wasnt a Nazi salute / bigoted song" bull, the chairman of Rangers himself has come out and said that it must stop or they will ban fans at away games, not only from europe, but also possibly from away games in the SPL as well. Saying that though words are one thing but actions are another. Any why did that happen - not because he's suddenly seen some sense, but because other football fans have started to stand up and say No, its not right and because of this UEFA started to take notice and only then have Rangers start to back down and take action because it going to hurt them where it hurts, in the pocket. I'll take my stance and stick with it thanks and wear my red reps with pride. |
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Well, Well, looks like the spurs fans are at it now too... Disgrace.
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Spurs club secretary John Alexander said: "We know one disabled fan was hit with a baton with such force that it knocked him out of his wheelchair." "Our initial reports suggest there was no fan-to-fan fighting at any stage of the proceedings," said a club statement. "It had been a perfect day up to then but was spoilt by some over-zealous police officers, who started throwing their weight around, for want of a better term," said Daniel Wynne, of Tottenham Hotspur Supporters' Trust. "After the penalty, a couple of fans got a bit excited about that but nothing more than shouting at the pitch. There was no violence. "Spurs fans weren't causing any trouble. The police went over and above acting as stewards." http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...pe/6531683.stm And to cap it all the fool from UEFA comes out with Uefa has launched investigations into both flashpoints, but communications director William Gaillard said possible sanctions for any of the clubs involved had not been discussed. He should have said nothing until the investigation had been concluded because from what I've seen and read there was absolutely no justification for the police behaviour, if anything English fan's should boycott European games until they can control their police and if they dare say anything we can kick up a fuss about the state of their stadiums, if they are safe why the heck do we bother maintaining ours to the level we do, when it seems perfectly acceptable for fans to sit (if they are lucky) in a ramshackle, derelict, flea pit? ---------- Post added at 19:10 ---------- Previous post was at 18:52 ---------- There's more “In England, you get arrested or ejected for bad behaviour. In Italy, you get beaten up. “I watched those pictures with horror because I seriously feared someone was going to get killed the way they were being hit with batons. Police looked like they were enjoying it.” David Platt “It is just not right. Fans go there to enjoy a match and get beaten up by the very people who are supposed to be protecting them.” Former top-level ref Anders Frisk Yet where were the police when this happened Middlesbrough fans were not surprised by the violent scenes in Rome though. Three Boro supporters were stabbed in the build- up to their UEFA Cup tie at the Olympic Stadium in March last year. If even half of this is true then it's a scandal, obviously it will be brushed under the carpet, nobody ever speaks up for the fans, that why stuff like this keeps happening http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2...150789,00.html |
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I thought the scenes in Italy were disgraceful, in my opinion it's getting to the point where English teams should start to refuse to play against Italian teams in European football. This should eventually get Fifa to do something about the state of Italian football. Things like this never happen in England anymore so there's no excuse for why it should happen in Italy, Fifa need to do something otherwise it will continue and more fans will suffer. Fans shouldn't be going to football matches fearing for their lives, which seems to be the case when going abroad in European competitions over the past few years.
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Chelsea v Tottenham
Stamford Bridge Saturday, 7 April Kick-off: 1245 BST Come on Spurs, do us all a favour and beat Chelsea :D Somehow I can't see that happening though. |
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Boro beat Watford 4 - 1. Come on Boro!
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Let's hope Rio never forgets he's probably handed Chelsea the title this year :grind:
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VDS cost us another game.. at fault for the first goal as once again he flapped at a shot and didn't deal with it.. even after he did that you could see he started to come for the ball that was loose and then didn't know whether to get it or not
the one time he finally comes off his line Rio does a back pass to him and he isn't there.. once again he hasn't shouted at Rio what he is doing just like Rio has told him all season he needs to do at his age he will only get worse and worse.. he's cost us against Roma and prob knocked us out of the European Cup and now he's nearly cost us the league |
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United fans ain't 'alf bloody melodramatic. Looking at the pictures and listening to them moan, you'd think they'd just been relegated.
In the last 10 years, you've won: Premier League x 5 FA cup x 3 Champion's League x 1 League Cup x 1. Including the League/FA cup/Champion's League treble. You're still top of the league with a 3 point cushion. Get a grip for gawd's sake or support another team in the league outside the big 3 and see what its like going decades without winnng anything. :rant: |
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We expect the success to continue. We've been the most successful team in the Premiership and once you get used to that, anything less is unacceptable.
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So could someone remind me... What happens if Chelsea beat Man U and they each won their remaining games? Is it goal difference? or the 2 results from their games? or...?
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Goal difference, so it would be likely United will win it as the difference at the moment is very big.
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What a debacle !
Van der sar was definately at fault for the first, the second was just a comedy of errors. Ferdinand was looking straight at Van der sar when he passed the ball back, so maybe wasn't as quick thinking as he should have been. Why do defenders keep passing the ball straight at the goal, when making a back pass. It's like England Croatia all over again. Surely passing to either side of the goal would be a little more sensible. :shrug: |
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Sorry... I actually thought you backpassed it so if the keeper didn't get it, it would go out for a corner. Thought that was ingrained into footballers from the yr dot.
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sure VDS has made some good saves but what's the point in that if you are going to let in goals as well... he has never learnt and still punches and flaps.. the second goal shows he has no decision making skills any more and doesn't know whether to come or stay on in line.. most of the time he never comes off his line and in 2 years he's never once shouted to Rio what he is doing and what's around him
even on the first goal you can see after he flapped at it he started to go for the ball that was loose and then stopped as he didn't know what to do.. he did the same thing in the second half and earlier in the season he punched a ball to a Reading player so they could score he's all over the place and will only get worse.. sure he won the title in Italy and the European Cup but that was in the past.. so has Stepney but that doesn't mean we should still be playing him did we have to beat of AC, Bayern and Real to get him no.. no other top club wanted him.. he he had still been at Fulham everyone would compare him to Seaman in his final years where he played on too long and was past it |
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West Ham, Arsenal, and even Bolton might do United some favours yet, let alone United beating Chelsea in their own back yard, but we will see... Man Utd's remaining Premiership fixtures: Tuesday, 17 April (H) Sheff Utd Saturday, 21 April (H) Middlesbrough Saturday, 28 April (A) Everton Saturday, 5 May (A) Man City Wednesday, 9 May (A) Chelsea Sunday, 13 May (H) West Ham Chelsea's remaining Premiership fixtures: Wednesday, 18 April (A) West Ham Sunday, 22 April (A) Newcastle Saturday, 28 April (H) Bolton Sunday, 6 May (A) Arsenal Wednesday, 9 May (H) Man Utd Sunday, 13 May (H) Everton That last game for United against West ham has a ring of Déjàvu about it, only this time the fixture is at Old Trafford, |
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Schmeichel can't be replaced, Oh wait, yes he can, Foster, it's a miracle.
We are still OK. Everton Away is the last big hurdle for me. We will take points off Chelsea, it will be a draw I think, that will negate that game. As long as we take points from Everton we will be OK. Chelsea have to go to Bolton yet and the Emirates, that is a tricky six points. Arsenal for all their insane results this year are a force, for me the Prem does lie, Arsenal and UTD are the best sides in the Prem if you take it on football played, I think the Gunners are more than capable of turning Chelsea over. Lets hope. VDS has been a revelation since he came, we should have gone for him not Barthez. I could care less about the ECL, it is a bigger cherry than the FA Cup, that sits on the Prem title, but a Cherry none the less. So I am miffed that he dropped Ole and Giggs for Richardson (He will be gone this summer) and Fletcher, with the Roma game in mind. Chelsea are in luck mode though, Watford was unreal, Spurs mauled them at times, what the hell was Robinson doing with Carvalhos goal. It will be the injuries that cost us. Louis, Louis, Louis, Louis (Kaiser Chiefs). |
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Defoe is on his way i think, to who i dont know, but i pity the poor sods wherever he goes. He is not first choice at spurs and theres a good reason for it, no consistancy.
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well it seems Watford can do what we can't and beat pompey :-(
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cambridge untd came from 2 down to win 4-2
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Not looking good, its kicking off already.:disturbd:
http://tinyurl.com/3drmb8 Quote, Supt Charlie Coxon, of Greater Manchester Police, said: "History shows the ultras don't travel abroad. Well they won't go to unknown areas because they won't be able to creep up behind people and stab them in the @rse, typical cowards. Jim. |
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Smith starts for United tonight, not sure who he is replacing yet.
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He doesn't score often but when Carrick does, he knows how to put them away :D
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I am wetting myself here, 3-0 :D
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Did I say Roma? I meant Ronaldo :D
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7th Heaven :)
Carrick Superb !!!! Even the time wasting Roma tactics in the last few minutes with all those substitutions didn't dampen the atmosphere :D |
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Finished 7-1. Just one word for that performance - Awesome
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Great result by Man U tonight, took Roma to the cleaners.
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Well that certainly put the butt stabbing, cowardly Ultra's in their place. Roma didn't defend like an Italian team, perhaps the fact that they started with only 4 Italian players may have had something to do with it, or it may have been due to the fact that United started with 8 English, Irish, Scottish & Welsh players ;). Take note Costa Del Mersey. :D
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well as people know i'm not a fan of CDS but he still failed to deal with two shots and spilled them, both of them two easily could have fallen back to another Roma player and been a different result, and when we needed world class save he couldn't do it and just watched the ball go in the net
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