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I'm sure they'll get there.

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Probably way past it by now, which would show if those doing polls etc actually didn't keep asking the 'right' sort of people in order to get the result they wanted.

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when you pay for a poll you get the answer you paid for ;)

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yes -Reeves has been put on the bench and Starmers new team are working on a new budget and that takes time

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Here we go. She's bigger than the roll she's in which puts pressure on the one up, Starmer. You can't save your face and your arse at the same time. Both of which could look like PM Rayner :shocked:

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Is that the day before they all bugger off on holiday for 2 months? :D

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are you saying they want to spoil Christmas early

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If you are part of starmers team you have a get out of anything card . He's making Boris look squeaky clean , and Truss a fiscal genius . :angel:

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Angela Rayner 'used disabled son’s NHS compensation' to buy seaside flat



https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...econd-home-tax


the gift that keeps on giving

full story here https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...y-second-home/

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Non-paywall version

https://archive.ph/LEaA6

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Bit shabby taking £162,500 from her disabled son.
I wonder if they are capital gains tax issues with the transfers and selling of the property.

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Setting up a trust and putting the property in the trust is also a way of circumventing inheritance tax.

I know this because I am also looking at this option.

I don’t fancy it , because you don’t then own the property, the trust does. And there’s a whole myriad of potential issues you need to mitigate against.

But, it is an option.

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Is it a coincidence that transferring part of the property to the trust in 2023, allowed her to withdraw £162,500 from the trust.

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Angela Rayner pocketed £1000 of freebies while staying at new Brighton scandal apartment

Angela Rayner has compounded her scandal nightmare after it was revealed she accepted £1,100 in free tickets just days before her flat tax scandal emerged. According to her register of interests, Ms Rayner pocketed the costly gift to Brighton pride, as she settled into her new town.

The tickets were provided by BN1 Events, and registered just one day before the first reports emerged of her new pad in the same coastal resort. Ms Rayner’s decision to accept the tickets raises further questions about the top Labour minister’s political judgement,

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...ebies-Brighton

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good

as a law abiding citizen i pay my Taxes and expect the politicians who set those taxes to pay there's, i would say HMRC must investigate her dealings going back years to see if there is a pattern of tax evasion. and while there at it check her out for council tax irregularities

it pisses me off when Starmer refers to her as a working class woman, she's deputy prime minister of the united kingdom ,that aint a working class job it's the top of the ladder,and hasn't she learned how to be first at the trough when the feeding frenzy starts

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Valuing at such a high amount also allowed her to extract the maximum from her son's trust fund. She couldn't have bought her Brighton property unless she sold her share to the trust fund.
Is the trust fund also paying part of the mortgage on the constituency home?
All starting to look more than a bit murky.

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Angela's new flat graffitied with "TAX EVADER"


https://news.sky.com/story/politics-...eform-12593360

looks like she's lowered the tone of the neighbourhood

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It reminds me of when Boris defended that nice chap that took his family along to Barnard Castle for his eye check during Covid.

They're all the same, probably because individuals know where certain bodies are buried and if the digging starts all hell will let loose.

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The benefits of HMP :rolleyes: but at least he'll only serve 40% of his jail time :erm:

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Wonder which will cost UK tax payers more. Jail or hotel :rolleyes:

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Angela Rayner's lawyers say they never gave her tax advice in huge blow
Lawyers that handled purchase of Deputy Prime Minister's flat say they are being made 'scapegoats'

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...rty-stamp-duty

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Oooooops-ieeee …..

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Can’t wait, if she goes, he eventually goes, they have no one of any competence to take over….maybe Wes.

General Election within 18months………….I hope.

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oh . . well erm . . err . . umm

Surely that's gonna cause a bit of instability in the life raft :D

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unless they have fixed the investigation and it's all swept under the carpet

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A matter of when not if she goes. Someone in her position has to take the best advice in her personal finances and have it watertight if challenged.

Starmer will stay.

Rayner was a potential threat at one stage so he kept her close. I doubt he'll lose too much sleep when she goes with a tarnished reputation.

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Doesn't matter if they did give her advice, she didn't need to follow it and is solely accountable, another thing, she has been an MP 10 years, how is she worth nearly 5 million quid, it stinks

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You’re right, she is accountable - personal responsibility.

Can I ask - where did the £5 million figure come from?

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This seems to be where it all started.
Link
They must count future potential earnings, as no way was she worth $3.7m in 2019.
The only equity in any property she has is the £150,000 deposit on the Brighton flat.

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That's just a made-up figure by an advertising-led website most people won't have come across until that article. They'll doubtless be happy by all the extra clicks.

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The Daily Record picked up on it. That's how I found it. Hugh asked the question.

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She has to go, really. I can understand that the circumstances of the purchase seem quite complicated, but if nothing else, she is Labour's attack dog who's gone after the Tories for things like these. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

It's not the first one either. The first one was when she declared the 'wrong' home as her primary residence, even though she was technically spending more time in a different one. That passed because it had more to do with her personal relationship, and people can accept that people in relationships don't immediately declare their primary residence as the one they're currently spending more time in. But this is worse, it's another scandal and she is Minister for Housing.

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Thank you

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The primary issue here isn't about designation of residences. The issue is that technically she still owned part of an interest in the Ashton-under-Lyne house, because the trust was for somebody under the age of 18.
GOV.UK rules
That meant she owned 2 properties.

Issues surrounding the transfers of ownership and the reassessment of mortgages on the Ashton-under-Lyne property should be looked into.
Is the trust paying part of the mortgage now? Why was she conveniently allowed to withdraw £162,500 from her disabled son's trust fund. Sounds all planned in advance.

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Angela Rayner is expected to leave her Government jobs over her tax affairs.

Ms Rayner could quit as soon as Friday, days after admitting that she had failed to pay a £40,000 tax bill on the purchase of her seaside home.

A decision is now believed to have been made on her future and she is expected to leave today, Sky News and The Times first reported.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...-house-report/

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At least this is progress from their usual approach of letting it build and build for weeks before finally doing what they should have done from the start. It's been, what, a week?

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Starmer has the tax fiddle report

sky news reporting she's resigned from gov and deputy leader



https://news.sky.com/story/politics-...eform-12593360

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Official now.
Link
How is she going to afford the Brighton flat, especially as she also loses the "grace and favour" home.

Will the report be published? Or has her resignation sidestepped that?

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How long before she strides confidently into a well paid role with a private firm (possibly one with close Government links)


. . . hey, do you think Reform will be interested? :rofl:

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it seems that ethics isn't a place down south:)

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She might come back as Minister in a year or two.

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minister for Tax evasion?

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Starmer dealt trade blow as investment minister Gustafsson quits
The former boss of Darktrace is quitting Sir Keir Starmer's government after less than a year as a minister in the House of Lords, Sky News learns.



https://news.sky.com/story/starmer-d...quits-13425429


busy day for the postie

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Great news.

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No doubt, hopefully not.

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Glad she resigned, but once again you are making stuff up - she called a Tory MP, Chris Clarkson*, ‘****’ - you have exaggerated this to include all Tories…

*which she shouldn’t have

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Rayner was apparently one of the government's most relatable and popular figures.

Will be interesting, in a macabre way, to see the effect on the government's ratings.

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I don't think they can go much lower.

I am beginning to think the country is fundamentally ungovernable. We have talentless politicians with no talent, backbone or even a coherent sense of what they believe. We have a population that doesn't want to make up trade-offs or compromises; they want Scandinavian services with American taxes, and they've been encouraged that this is possible by simply stopping migration, making 'efficiency' savings or having wealth taxes. We can't build anything because politicians won't commit to projects that will outlast their governance, because NIMBYs will move heaven and earth to exploit every mechanism at their disposal to stop any progress on anything and a legal system that enables them.

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Dont worry, if certain people on this forum are an indication, they could do much worse things and still be defended to death, while blaming the tories. ;)

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Read the independent adviser on ministerial standard's 3-page report here including

https://d1e00ek4ebabms.cloudfront.ne...8bb84bf71e.pdf

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In the spirit of Hugh, Rayner can now be where she is needed: looking after her disabled child in Ashton-under-Lyne.

Conversely, she could live in her newly purchased Hove home, but again, in the spirit of Hugh, she now meet her obligations to her constituents.

Question: Is she damaged goods in terms of landing a lucrative job? POoor thing - as sit creek as it gets.


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Do you think she acted with integrity?

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Lammy is the new deputy PM.

Cooper is Foreign Secretary.

Mahmood is Home Secretary.

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I'm not a shadow independent adviser on ministerial standards and nor am I defending her. But if they think she was, they've done their homework sufficiently to reach such a conclusion so I would concur. As always, I look at such things through apolitical items.

But as I posted yesterday, it was only a matter of time as to when she left.

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so they've all done a crap job and now they're being shuffled around to do a crap job somewhere else

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Well

I think it’s clear how she feels about Tories, to argue otherwise is clutching a bit.

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This seems to be about getting Cooper out of the Home Office without annoying her.

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Do you think Mahmood will drive forward with passion on the Rape Gangs enquiry?………which has gone very quiet……….

Or will she obsfucate the whole thing, so that nothing happens in this parliament…………

As Justice Secretary she did say some robust things, let’s see how she performs on this issue, and with illegal immigration.

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Anyone else think that the size of the re-shuffle indicates a lot of it was in the pipeline anyway?

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I don't know. TBH I thought they went ahead with that which means it's out of their hands for the next couple of years.

She is seen as more hardline and, according to news reports anyway, a more effective minister. I am guessing Starmer hopes she can sort out the Home Office, though don't hold your breath.

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I didn’t realise that every member of the Conservative Party had gone to Eton…

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-...**-2021-09-26/

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:dig:

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There’s one person that should to go in this shake up and I’ve heard nothing: Rachel Reeves. I still open up the news each day in hope.

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probably there in name only now Starmer has surrounded himself with financial advisors

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How would that help? The country is broke after 15 years of decline. A new Chancellor can't magic up money. Nobody wants taxes , not many work, an ageing population, but they want brilliant public services and benefits. Joe Public live in cuckoo land.

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A fair point, but the issue with Reeves isn’t just the state of the economy itself, it’s her approach to it. Any Chancellor is limited by the fiscal reality, but the role demands someone who can inspire confidence, attract investment, and show real creativity in navigating those constraints. Reeves has struggled to move beyond cautious soundbites and hasn’t demonstrated the leadership or vision needed to shift the dial. Sticking with her risks more stagnation at a time when bold, credible direction is exactly what’s needed.

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Trouble with all politicians is that they think that you can borrow your way out of trouble. Really need to read Dickens.

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It’s a curious hill to want to die on, but crack on.

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...er-losing-job/

Quote:

Angela Rayner could struggle to afford the mortgage on her £800,000 holiday home after having her salary heavily reduced, following her resignation from government office. Ms Rayner also faces a hefty tax bill and possible “carelessness” penalty of more than £50,000 for failing to pay the correct stamp duty on the purchase of a flat that sparked her downfall. In a further blow, Tories demanded she be stripped of her £16,876 severance payment owing to loss of office because in opposition she had voted to stop ministers under investigation getting a pay-off. “If she has any integrity then surely she must decline any severance payment,” said Kevin Hollinrake, the Tory party chairman. Ms Rayner’s salary will be cut from £161,409 to £93,904 – a drop of £67,505 – giving her little margin for error in making her monthly mortgage repayments. Earlier this week, she admitted she had used her life savings to put a deposit down on the flat. She sold her 25 per cent stake in the family home in Ashton-under-Lyne in Great Manchester for £162,500 and used that to put down a £150,000 deposit on the Hove property. Official documents show she has a £650,000 mortgage on the seaside flat through NatWest. The scale of the loan will have left her with mortgage repayments as high as £4,000 a month while her salary against an income of £5,400 a month after tax. As deputy prime minister she was taking home £8,100. Following her resignation, she will have just £1,400 a month left over with two teenage children to look after, covering food and clothing bills, gas and electricity, holidays and sundry other costs. She also has a £40,000 tax bill to pay as well as a likely penalty of £12,000 plus interest on top of about £1,000 – a total bill of £53,000. HMRC will have to decide if she should pay the excess for ‘carelessness’ in punishment for originally paying just £30,000 in stamp duty rather than £70,000 on the Hove flat.

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Ms Rayner may now seek to boost her income through public speaking and other events as well as possibly a publishing deal. Her extraordinary back story – from being a single mother at 16 to rise to deputy prime minister – could result in a memoir which could easily outsell other political biographies. Alternatively, Ms Rayner is among Labour politicians to have previously accepted donations for clothes from Lord Alli – worth £200m – and could turn to other donors for support now. Ms Rayner declared £3,550 worth of clothes from Lord Alli in November last year, before promising to stop accepting donations for her wardrobe. She also faced criticism for using Lord Alli’s $2.5m Manhattan apartment for a holiday with her new partner, the former Labour MP Sam Tarry.

How ripe this is.

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She only speaks chav who want's to listen to that
she should get her name on the council house waiting list

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Already had one, bought and sold for a near £50k profit...

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Think of it as a fresh start

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I doubt it.

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i think the courts will do that

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Doubt it but it is a stupid waste of police time
Sky reports 150 arrested at demo

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Our new deputy prime minister ladies and gentelmen.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1757193061

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Doesn't surprise me having seen his performance on celebrity mastermind...