Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

Buy gold.

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

I think on that, we have an accord.

---------- Post added at 18:21 ---------- Previous post was at 18:19 ----------

Oh , it will.

If you think Labour voters are disaffected by the 14yrs of the Tories, just wait until they’ve had 5 yrs of a Starmer Labour government.

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

Gold is a pretty rubbish asset. Better off buying US equities. You could buy UK equities but UK growth has been stagnant for the last decade under the Tories so that's a pretty rubbish asset as well.

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

Nutmeg? A stupid (robo-fund) JP Morgan fund ... Moneyfarm is run by an unknown Italian. Fidelity international?

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

I use a Vanguard fund which tracks 100% global equities because, as it's an index fund, it's quite cheap.

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

Worse like last time Labour were in power? I'll take it, that'll do just fine

---------- Post added at 02:58 ---------- Previous post was at 02:57 ----------

Think I'm in two or three Vanguard funds, rate them very highly

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

l and many many more will be glad to get away from the awful premierships of Johnson, Truss and Sunak.

Starmer while being a dull politician will be just the safe pair of hands this country is crying out for rather then the constant Tory shitshows and psychodramas of the last 10 years.

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

My Vanguard S&S "low risk" isa has just gone into the black after over two years of -ve rates, bonds had absolutely tanked but are a lot better than a year ago.

---------- Post added at 13:10 ---------- Previous post was at 13:10 ----------

:tu::tu: this.

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

One of the "major" reasons why the Tories are toast is that Labour have positioning themselves as a replacement centre ground Party with basically, pretty boring, non-threatening (to the majority) policies. They are essentially what the Tories were in the past before this current lot embraced right wing populism and culture wars.

The lurch to the right has left a hole in the centre ground which Labour are positioned to fill. The Tories are finished as a party of government for at least 10 years, possibly more. The irony is that it is all their own doing :)

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

I'm in in their share funds, life strategy 100% shares & Global shares high dividend yield plus I pretty sure my pension is made up of vanguard stuff as well, anyway we are at risk of incurring wrath for going of topic, glad yours are in the black again :tu:

Hopefully a lot more, the damage they've done is seismic, 250 people a week are dying needlessly due to waiting for bed in A&E

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

How exactly have Tories lurched to the right? Laughable.

The reason they’re in the hole is because they haven’t been right wing enough.

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

That's what Labour supporters said of Labour after 2015 and their answer was Corbyn. Politics in the UK is won in the centre ground, so Labour has had its victories by moving right and the Tories by moving to the left of their base.

Anyway the Tories aren't losing because they're not right-wing enough. They're losing because they're incompetent.

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

Elections might be won or lost in the centre ground but none of Britain’s problems are solved there.

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

True unless there is self-evident proof that a radical policy shift is needed. Energy or Water sectors are good examples, together with re-aligning with the EU.

Here's an interesting YouGov tracker on perceptions of where the Conservatives are on the left/centre/right of politics:

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics...arty-alignment

In latest polling, the 20% think the Tories are very right wing, 26% think fairly right wing and 14% slightly right of centre. Pretty damning figures.

Also:

Tories now seen as being as right wing as 2014-16 era UKIP

but don't forget, they can solve all their problems by lurching further to the right as "they haven’t been right wing enough" :dunce:

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

Labour has its own issues atm.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-68707225

This, apparently, after another 11 quit in Burnley a few months ago.

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

I agree again, keep going JF we’ll be having lunch before you know it.

---------- Post added at 20:06 ---------- Previous post was at 20:00 ----------

The Tories are supposed to be a right wing party. 100% of the polling should convey that.

The fact that only 60% of those polled think that the Tories are right wing………..

Makes my point for me, cheers :dunce:

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

Mostly around Gaza it seems. Although worth keeping in perspective Labour have over 6,000 councillors.

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

The graph from the link shows that people think that the Conservatives are right of centre, it’s the varying extent of how right that has changed..

From the link…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...7&d=1712002953

And as for the people who thought that the Conservatives are "fairly left wing" or "left of centre", that probably says more about them* than the Conservatives…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...8&d=1712003254

*UKIP’ers or Reform Party "members", who think anyone to the left of Richard Tice is a Commie

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

I was just responding to what was posted.
I’m sure Ian appreciates you wiping his arse for him.

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

Thanks for the clarification Hugh.

I think that historically the Tories would be categorised by most people as "centre-right" i.e. leaning to the right of the political spectrum but closer to the centre. It is only in recent years that they have moved solidly into the "right-wing" and, it seems, intend to keep going.

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

But not fast enough for some…

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

If they do that, then as Labour found with Corbyn, they will find themselves in opposition.

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

Indeed :)

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

Another one bites the dust
https://news.sky.com/story/mark-menz...laims-13116735

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

Given the level on general incompetence and corruption in the Conservative Party it’d not be hard to see how Government could be compromised or collapsed by nefarious actors.

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

Rishi Sunak’s satisfaction falls to equal worst ever Ipsos rating for a Conservative or Labour leader

Net satisfaction with Rishi Sunak is now at joint worst levels in history of Ipsos, equivalent to John Major and Jeremy Corbyn’s worst ratings in 1994 and 2019.

https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/rishi-su...-labour-leader

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

Sunak's legacy will be the Opposition-supported smoking ban which many of his own MPs did not vote for. I guess that's better than Johnson's which was to shave 5% off our GDP and 100% off the UK's credibility in good governance.

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

The police will thank him for opening, or should i say expanding, a whole new market of illegal goods.

we truly live in an era, where we are governed by imbeciles.

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

I'm sure that in 10 years time, the countries shop keepers will be equally grateful they have to differentiate between a 24 year old and a 25 year old.

They cant even tell a 25 year old from an 18 year old these days, so they have to have the stupid "challange 25".

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

Pretty sure the tories this morning announced the abandonment of their spring flights to Rwanda pledge.

Add another failure to the pile

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

Longer term this is what the Tories should be worried about: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-desert-tories

Once the Tories sort themselves out - however long that takes - the point at which you're more likely to vote Tory than Labour will come down a bit but it won't go all the way down. It's been increasing for a long time. If you work you're more likely to vote Labour and crucially if you don't own a home you're more likely to vote Labour.

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

Unless you inherit a home from your parents, its becoming less and less likely you could afford to buy your own home - house prices are just ridicuous now. Buying my own house would cost me a fortune these days.

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

It's clearly in the Conservatives' interests to have more home-owners but their policies local and national discourage new house-building. Something they will doubtless have time to reflect on when in Opposition.

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

There’s loads of affordable houses, I could go on right move right now and find properties for say £80K. Just not in areas that you would choose to live.

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

It’s a moot point if affordable homes are in areas that someone wouldn’t choose to live in since supply and demand makes the price a function of earnings (through what they could borrow) in an area.

London wages aren’t transferable to Dundee for the vast majority of people in the vast majority of industries.

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

Yes but who wants to live in Halifax? ;)

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

I suppose somebody has to. :D

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

Good point well made.

I prefer to say “Calder Valley”

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

Ah, the CleckHuddersFax Triangle, The Land That Time Forgot, where Men are Real Men and the Sheep are really worried… ;)

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

Sure, lots listed for anything from £1000 to £25,000.
Not the real price though, they are auctions, or other catches (like serious work/repairs needed). Some are "shared" ownership.

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

Was intrigued and this article says the cheapest area in England & Wales with an average house price of £68,837 is TS1 (Middlesbrough) However, as others have posted, if the employment prospects are minimal then who's going to relocate there just for a cheap house?
https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/t...sside-28742339

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

TS1 is an erm , interesting area of Middlesbrough

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2530950.html

Accrington Stanley have more support than the Tories...

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

Ah another one bites the dust. Pretty soon there’ll be nothing left of the Party left to put a party forward for the GE. Can’t wait to watch them booted out for a good 8 to 10 years at least.

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

Coincidentally, I was at the Wetherspoon's there between Christmas and New Year (The Swatter's Carr) keeping a friend company who's trying to visit all of them. Area seemed ok although when we visited at 4pm most people looked they had been there several hours.

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68848046

Let's undermine the wages of young people in this country by importing foreigners. What will the true believers say?

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

That too many of our young people are lazy *******s and refuse to do a good day’s work?

Maybe you have an alternative view. What is it?

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

Capitalism, innit?

Supply and demand. If nobody wants to do a crap, low paid job for an unscrupulous employer they should pay more.

Disappointed in you, OB. As the leading free market capitalist and Brexit true believer I had more faith in you to know that.

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

I would have thought that anyone not prepared to do such work would aspire to something better, but no.They would prefer to stay on benefits.

Funny how this is a typically British problem. Even the working classes are far too snooty! I bet it’s not like that in Romania. That’s why they come here? Does that square your circle, jfman?

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

Any evidence that "young people" prefer to stay on benefits or is it merely a lazy trope from whatever right wing rag you get "news" from?

I thought the Romanians came for benefits and free iPads? No?

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

Could say the same about idle pensioners bleeding the state dry, with free everything and index linked triple locked pensions. All they do is stream stuff and spout cobblers all day, in their big empty houses, about how young people are teriible , and how the country has gone to pot (since that referendum, for which they were in no way responsible, even if it has destroyed the futures of the young).

The young won't be able to put their feet up so early , or get any of the perks, they'll still be paying off student debts, and uber rich landlords . Let's hope you're not reliant on them for your care a few years down the line, they might well have departed these shores if they've got any sense.

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

Don't worry as once this lot comes after the mythical young people that supposedly don't work, it will be the sick and disabled and then those that suffer from mental illness next.

He does not mention the obliteration of many NHS services, waiting lists of nearly 8 million, mental health services non existent for many, etc, etc, etc.

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

Add to that local government selling assets to make ends meet because of the savage cuts being forced on them by central government.

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

And as well as covering the maxxed out credit card their taxes need to pony up £15bn for another failed privatisation (Thames Water).

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

And the many, many billions during the pandemic they gave to their cosy crony cliques.

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

This is exciting news! My eldest was celebrating yesterday when she heard about this. Had to temper expectations as this could take years to happen if it happens at all.

If it were to happen by 2027 though, it would be super helpful as, if her A Levels go well and she gets the university she wants, that will be her work placement year.

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

It's the owners who decide how much or how little debt they load the company up with. If they gamble and get it wrong, then they should face the consequences.

If the owners gamble on loading the parent company up with debt, and interests rates rise then they take a hit and possibly lose ownership of their assets. Conversely, if interest rates fall then they take a gain.

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

In that case nobody would take on a privatised industry (and I’d be fine with that). All these vulture capitalists pile because it’s free spins at the roulette wheel. Billions borrowed. Billions paid in dividends. Zero investment.

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

They would, if the price and projected returns were right.

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

As bucket lists go that's a strange one!

---------- Post added at 15:42 ---------- Previous post was at 15:40 ----------

Yup got it spot on. Can't imagine why the 18-24 age group have all but given up on the daft notion of voting Tory.

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

I cant imagine things will be a whole lot better under Labour either.
In fact I suspect for most of them (and others) its just picking the lesser of two evils.

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

Ain't that always the way with elections for most of us.

Except for viewers in Scotland and Wales where's there's more evils to choose from. ;)

You might think that, I couldn't possibly comment. :D

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

I think despite Labours numerous flaws and our prehistoric voting system they're definitely the least bad option. I don't know how bad it would have to get for everybody to say enough is enough, if the record of the last 14 years hasn't had that effect.

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1713598462

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/94/9b...eab6938e7c.gif

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

Depends if Labour goes though with the planning reform that stops so many homes from being blocked and allows brown-field development. That would be a start.

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

Blaming “left wing” policies for a stagnant almost decade and a half under Tory austerity is utterly deranged.

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

Well look at the picture, she's either got a bad tooth access or poor face-lift. You'd be full of bile too, perfect for the position.

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

The Daily Telegraph 20 years ago used to be a reasonable read.

Now its a parroting mouthpiece of the Conservative party.

---------- Post added at 14:05 ---------- Previous post was at 14:04 ----------

Expect more of it up to the general election.

Its all they got left.

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

Now the Tories are threatened with extinction, they're now firmly in swivel eyed loon Reformland. Have a read Den, very entertaining, the readers rants are a laugh a minute :D

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

l never thought a tight wad like you would pay for a monthly subscription of the Daily Telegraph.;)

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

Who needs a subscription? All you need is a browser extension, I use Bypass Paywalls Clean.

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

I read it free on my iPad using PressReader in the Libby App from the local Council Library system…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...2&d=1713624379

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

As if Den ! ;)

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

The rumour factory that it Twitter claiming rumours he will call an election on Monday to distract from the disaster that will be the local elections. A bold strategy.

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

would love to be true but cant see it happening getting rid of the nasty corrupt party cant come soon enough

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

The rumour apparently came about because some people within news organisations had seen there was an announcement from the Palace due at 6pm (turned out to be the King's health) and also that Sunak was doing the Sunday political shows and put it together. Obviously incorrectly because the Palace doesn't announce elections but there you go.

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

A defection. Good start to the weekend.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-at-nhs-crisis

Dr Dan Poulter describes the Tories as “a nationalist party of the right”.

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

Why somebody working in the NHS would support this rabble in the first place is a mystery. Still at least he got it right in the end.

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

Just emphasises, Tory & Labour Are a uni-party.

Whoever you vote for won’t make a blind 9f business.

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

Fair play if he is standing down at the next election and seems to work shifts in the NHS. Gives legitimacy to him.

If he was going to contest the seat for Labour you would be more cynical.

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

I'm sure there's a lot of people getting anxious and depressed right now with Rishi's latest assault on benefits.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn0ry09d50wo

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

The good news is they’ll be out on their ear before they could ever legislate for it. The bad news is Labour might actually implement a slightly watered down version.

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

Playing to their electoral base ones suspects as there are 1.9m people on mental health wait lists awaiting treatment in a collapsed mental health system while overloaded and underfunded social care turns away huge numbers of desperate people with considerable needs

Quote:

But the government claims it will offer ‘meaningful’ support for people losing disability benefits in crackdown

And l am Cleopatra of Egypt.

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

I agree Cleo ;)

They thought PIP would reduce costs but they've increased. Maybe the question they should be asking is why there is such a big mental health issue in this country, and why so few and able to get any treatment? Couldn't be that they've run the NHS into the ground and such services no longer exist? If so, its a false economy and they'll have to pay up. Treat the cause not the symptom and that might genuinely save money.

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

Is there ? or is it just a lot of people claiming everything as "mental health".

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

I think they're blaming the GenZs types as reported earlier. They are now deemed too lazy and don't want to work as it's too much effort. That or they think they are too clever to work as it's not worth it. So they just spend 5 mins with a GP and get signed off with depression and anxiety.

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

Good job it's not the sixties/seventies when you got benefits for six months, then had to work for thirteen weeks before you were entitled to any benefits.

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

Attacking the disabled sums this Govt up. A last desperate act.

Let all the multi milionare tax dodgers off of course. In fact, make them knights of the realm if they can donate enough to the cause.

You know, I really don't like this Govt. Don't know if I've mentioned it .....

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

Today we had stigmatising the disabled, arguing with Ireland about immigration, arguing with France about immigration. I was only waiting on arguing with Argentina over the sovereignty of Las Malvinas and it’d have been a full house on my Tory bullshit bingo card.

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

You're right the last act would be some sort of conjured up war/conflict.

Invading the Faroe Islands might be the one to go for, 'taking back control of our Cod', a sure vote winner

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

I assume this bad news won't bother Sunak too much as he won't be PM next year"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq5n2d8en8wo

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

https://news.sky.com/story/politics-...wales-12593360

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2024/05/1.gif

tbf, he has form for not complying with laws he initiated…

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

It was supposed to suppress the riff raff vote , maybe it has :D

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

And more bad news for the Tories as Labour wins Blackpool South by-election.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2538853.html

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

It didn't get any better for the poor old Tory dears today. Still, at least they still have 'Dishi Rishi'. Sir K will be delighted at that.

When is this Brexit dividend going to deliver? Is it the death of the Tories? If so , quite possibly worth it after all :)

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

I think you've missed the Tees Valley Mayoral Election which they held onto by limiting Labour to only a 16 point swing. Although that would wipe out all the Tory MPs in that area it's saved Sunak apparently.

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

That was the bonus for Sir K ;)

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

There are rumours tonight of an upset in London though. It's hard to know what to make of them because the polling would have to be way off.

However, the turnout is slightly in Susan Hall's favour. The election has changed to First Past the Post as well so if there has been a good Green showing then there is a chance she might nick it. There are also good reasons to suspect a better Green showing due to the perceived safety of Khan's position in London and the national picture generally in which they've made gains.

Counter to that though is that Labour are in a much stronger position nationally then they were last time as well.

Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

I’d not realised that change had been made to the mayoral election. It seems like a pretty blatant piece of gerrymandering to change the mayor vote (which will undoubtedly benefit the Tories as the lefty vote will be split on first preference between Labour, Green and various other socialist nutters and probably Lib Dem), while not changing the PR system used to constitute the Assembly, which tends to ensure the Tories get representation they wouldn’t have if there were wards with FPTP polls.