Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

If you find her doing the Kenny Everett version, do let us know. All in the best possible taste, of course.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Yes, could be an amateurish attempt along these lines if they thought the leaks about the Sue Gray Report in The Times could be serious.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

It's a dead parrot that's been successfully kicked into the long grass.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

oh no . . . I guess now there will be an investigation into how the parrot died, who kicked it, and who failed to keep the lawn in good order ;)

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My God, it's a house of horrors :D

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Brilliant...:D:D:D

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Angela Rayner WAS at Starmer's lockdown beer event admits Labour - new pressure on police


The Labour Party last night admitted its deputy leader was at the gathering on April 30 2021 in Durham. It comes after the party had previously repeatedly rejected claims the Aston-under-Lyne MP was also involved when lockdown rules were allegedly broken.

"Why would they lie about Angela Rayner's presence if they thought the event was legal?


https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...ty-latest-news

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

It's STILL a dead parrot that's been kicked into the long grass with fingers pointed in the opposite direction.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

I questioned from the start why Starmer was getting away with it when the circumstances were so similar to the PM's in relation to the fine.

Maybe someone should start looking carefully at the behaviour of Labour during the lockdown. They would wish they'd never started this in the first place.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

You mean now the boots on the other foot potential law breaking and lying are no longer an issue.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

They were different years with different rules. Hugh has endeavoured to explain this before.
#FalseEquivalence

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Makes me wonder if the police were given all the evidence because clearly no one else was, the truth has only come to light because of video evidence.

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Sir Keir Starmer was last night accused of hypocrisy for attending a birthday cake celebration in his office during the pandemic.

The Labour leader tucked into the shop-bought chocolate and lemon cakes while coronavirus guidance advised against holding close social gatherings indoors.

Sir Keir has repeatedly demanded Boris Johnson quit for attending an impromptu birthday gathering in the Cabinet Room in June 2020 – just three months before his own celebration.

The PM and Chancellor were hit with fines for breaking lockdown laws that banned indoor gatherings at that time. However, it has now emerged that Sir Keir was given a birthday card and two cakes in his office on his birthday in September 2020.



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...enying-it.html

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Well if it turns out the rules were broken then they should do what Borris seems unable to do and resign.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Partygate karma.

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If all the agitation is about the lying rather than the act itself, maybe all MP's should - in the interests of honesty and fair play - have to take a lie detector test . . not one of the new electronic things, lets go back to basics



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Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

So are we arguing the definition of when is a party not a party?

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

The word "party" is a distraction - the actual legislation is about "gatherings" and whether they are necessary for "work purposes"…

What’s never mentioned is how the Government changed/loosened the COVID rules to allow campaigning in the 2021 Council Elections (and the By-Election) on the 29th March (before this picture was taken), and all the Johnson incidents were the previous year…

The rules were once again eased in the 12th April 2021

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

The rules were different in September. That was the summer and the lockdown ended in July. The law didn't state you couldn't be indoors which is why the Mail is trying to blur the lines by referring to the 'advice'.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Labour activists are busy this morning.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

We were in lockdown in June 2020, and weren’t in lockdown September 2020…

The front page of the Daily Mail on the day of Starmer’s birthday…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...3&d=1651225635

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Mr Ad-Hominem-Attacks busy this morning…

Never been a Labour activist or voter - spent over a decade being a Tory activist though…

You never let facts/reality get in the way of a smear, do you?

Strangely enough, you said yesterday

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

I'm sure all party activists are busy canvassing for the forthcoming council elections.

Meanwhile, the likes of Hugh and Damien are busy combatting disinformation spread by the Daily Mail.

Here's a useful summary of the Durham situation:
https://www.indy100.com/news/keir-st...party-lockdown

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I see the image I linked to has failed . . and that's before all the new 'protectionist' rules come in :rolleyes:

I'm off back to sleep

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Yeah, hypocrisy is awful, isn't it? (*)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQLFUSJX...g&name=900x900

(*Except when it's from me, obviously)

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

But is it hypocrisy when for months, Labour have been going on about Partygate?

They’ve been caught in the act and they are no better.

But look at this from the official HIGNFY account:

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1651241574

Has the account been hacked? :eek:

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The Rayner thing is a red-herring because it makes no difference to the legality of the event. It was an election campaign which was not only a year later but explicitly had rules written by the Government to allow in-person campaigns. So Starmer and Rayner being at the same event doesn't impact the legality of it.

Starmer having a cake in September is also just nonsense because it was legal then. The Mail is just trying to make it seem like 'Boris had cake, so did Stamer. So what's the difference?'. Well, the time of year it happens and the laws at that time.

The legal issue for Starmer is unchanged from what it was a few weeks ago. Did breaking off for dinner break the rules? The other thing is what else is there is come out? I am sure they're looking at everything Starmer did during lockdown so let's see what there is to come?

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

It is not a red herring. Actually the government advice was not to campaign in person, in doors. That isn’t a campaign event, they were drinking beer and socialising, that also was not allowed.

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Written in black and white:

Keyword: “Outdoors”.

I’m all for Boris getting fined and potentially facing removal, but when you break the rules, once, twice or more, and then attack others, call on them to resign, they need to follow their own advice.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1651245961

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Campaigning outdoors refers to knocking on doors, stalls in the street etc.

Starmer and co were working indoors with a break for food and drink as restaurants and pubs were closed.

The legislation does not require them to do that outside.

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Would have been amusing if it had been that way with perhaps Sturgeon and Macron doing something similar for good measure... but it's not turned out that way. :D

The Sue Gray Report will decapitate Johnson, no falling on swords required there.

Despite Operation Save 5 May, all the false equivalence mustered by the Daily Mail can't overturn the fact that Starmer was investigated and cleared. I contend that the British public are generally clever enough to see through the Mail's disinformation as they have been with Putin's.

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It was not allowed. Mixing with other households, indoors was prohibited. They were not working, having a beer is not working. They traveled to Durham, so wasn’t his regular working office and now they admit: after lying, that Rayner was now there. Says a lot when even HIGNFY just pissed on Labour’s chips for their disgraceful hypocrisy.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Seems to be one rule for Tories and a different one for all the rest . Here in red Wales , the labour leader screams break the law and resign , member of his government breaks it I think 3 times but that's ok as she paid the fines :confused:

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

I agree that Labour were incorrect in stating that Rayner was not there but I believe that's the only thing they did wrong. So fair cop for HIGNFY to call them out on this.

But it's important to know that that they were in Durham to manage a campaign and thus were allowed to eat and drink together...as all other workplaces at that time were allowed to do too.

It shouldn't be forgotten that this was 2021 and not 2020. At the time, the tabloids were complaining that not enough people were returning to their offices!

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

No they were not allowed to eat and drink together at all. You would make an horrible legal analyst Andrew. Labour broke the rules.

Read them.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1651251723

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

How is that different from those at No 10 paying their fines? :confused:

In my view, any MP who broke a law they made/urged others to follow should step down. That's irrespective of which party they belong to and irrespective of a war in Ukraine.

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Legal analysts/lawyers/police have doubtless gone through all the relevant documents - and not just this one - and found Starmer innocent.

I can't see why they would all put their reputations on the line and make such conclusions if they hadn't done their homework thoroughly. I think we might be heading into conspiracy theory territory here.

However, if you're right, fantastic, always good to see lawyers taken down a peg or two.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Absolute bollocks and you know it.

Then why the hell are they re-looking at Starmers lockdown beer Durham case again?

You’re being pathetically obtuse, they broke the rules-end of.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/ne...ckdown-breach/

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Seems pretty clear.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Not an authentic news outlet, don’t trust the source. Try Googling harder. :rolleyes:

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It is absolutely clear, but the Labour luvvies in this thread are blind to the facts that the rules were clear, Boris got caught out, only fair that when Labour’s rank hypocrisy stinks, when they’re clearly just as guilty of lying and breaking lockdown rules, they get called out as well.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

What’s not authentic about a long-established regional newspaper? You can be assured that their reporters have better contacts inside their local police force than anyone on any national title.

Having trained, qualified and worked in regional news I ought to be offended. :D

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[QUOTE=1andrew1;36120512]How is that different from those at No 10 paying their fines? :
exactly my point . Need to ask the Labour leader right load of bs was his answer . "She paid the fines end of the matter . " Or words to that effect but a lot more :dozey:

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

It was a slant on Hugh to be better at googling. There has to be a better news source than a regional unheard of outlet.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

On Google search using the search term "durham police starmer statement", the previous source I quoted came up first.

However…


Independent

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2067764.html

Evening Standard

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/k...l-b996980.html

The Week

https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https://www....lockdown-rules

GBNews

https://www.gbnews.uk/news/angela-ra...mistake/283801

The Mirror

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...olice-26826391

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

The question i have to ask is what was going on that prompted the denial that Rayner was there.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Absolutely loving Hugh doing cart wheels here.

What is the phrase?

Hmmmm. Hope that helps…………

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Labour say it was a mistake made in good faith to deny she was there. Sorry but, “faith” & “good” are incompatible in the same sentence as Labour.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

The no 1 woman in the labour party and they forget she was there, smells like BS to me.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

It's been going since 1870. What makes it not authentic? :confused:

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If you're talking about Damien, Hugh and me then sorry to spoil your idealistic fantasy but none of us are Labour luvvies. We're just keen on combating disinformation, wherever that disinformation is coming from.

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The only people who seemed to have resigned have been those having affairs - Matt Hancock and Neil Ferguson.

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Do you not feel that sentence demonstrates a little prejudice when analysing the situation?

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Stating facts isn’t "turning cartwheels’ (well, not for most of us).

So quoting GBNews is confirming my "bias"? Surely the fact that diverse media outlets (including local media quoting Durham Police) are reporting the same thing reflects a lack of bias?

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

But you have not combated any disinformation, in fact your spreading it by spouting the Starmer lies that no rules were broken, when video evidence of him holding and swigging from a beer bottle, socialising indoors with people he isn’t household members with, half way up the country in Durham.

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I don’t normally credit BBC here but at the time, Sophie Raworth tears squirming Starmer, a new hole. This interview was back in January:

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

That's easy enough to do.I hate the man.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

They're not. The police just confirmed receipt of the MP's letter. He claimed that meant they were opening up the case. I don't blame anyone for believing an MP but please prepare yourself for disappointment if you're hoping for the case to be re-opened.

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The matter was investigated and he was cleared. No lawyer has put their neck on the line and said otherwise. If it's as clear cut as you say it is, that would have happened. Unless you think all lawyers are Labour voters?

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

You don’t have to be a lawyer to say he’s broken the rules, which at face value, he has.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

I feel this should be re-investigated especially now that new evidence has been uncovered about who was in attendance despite their previous attempts at a cover up.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

I'm not bothered about the rising costs of fuel & food, or the triple lock pension that isn't.

I'm just over the moon to see the effort put into all this tomfoolery about who lied about being where they weren't when there was or wasn't a meeting and if it was before or after a certain date, the importance of which is mind blowing in the grand scheme of things.


I'm off to mow the lawns :D

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

If starmer is so sure no laws were broken he should encourage a thorough investigation with all the facts on the table , but atm is seems that no effort has been put in by the police to investigate this possible criminal breach of covid legislation .

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

There is no “possible” about it.

There was to be no in door mixing of with non-same household people, sharing of food was prohibited, it wasn’t his regular place of work and what makes this even more worse now, is the lies that Angela Rayner wasn’t there but then they admit she was.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

maybe they misled the country because there were many more people in attendance than we were led to believe.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Spot on, what's good for the goose and all that.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

If legal brains felt that Starmer had a case to answer then someone would have taken out a private prosecution by now or pointed out to the police the error of their ways. Enough moneyed people would be more than happy to see Starmer slip up if they felt Durham Police had let him off.

All that's happened is the local MP tried to find false equivalence with No 10 "Operation Save 5 May" and has whinged to the police. They have thanked him for his letter and confirmed there's no investigation under way.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Save May 5th is a smokescreen, bozo knows if he can get to conference season the election cycle with have begun and he'll be safe until the big vote.

Rather than compare the two parties I'd rather they were held accountable separately, this finger wagging whataboutery is about as dull as it can get, hang 'em all out to dry imo

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Yet more food for thought, Sir Keir: Labour leader faces fresh 'Beergate' scrutiny after he claimed the Durham hotel he was staying in wasn't serving food - but it can be revealed that it was... until 9pm

The lies are catching up with him.

Interviewed on LBC radio in January, Sir Keir said: ‘No restaurants were open, no pubs were open. The hotel we were staying in had no food, they didn’t run food. So if you didn’t get a takeaway then our team wasn’t eating that evening.’

But The Mail on Sunday can reveal that Sir Keir stayed at the Radisson Blu hotel in Durham – and that its restaurant was serving food outside on its terrace until 9pm.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-food-9pm.html

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Carry on..All this whataboutery just keeps it fresh in the public eye and ALL transgressions will be counted whomsoever it involves.It's not a get out of jail pass for anyone including Boris and others. ;)

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

The rules are for all of the people not some of the people, you have a valid point :tu:

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Well it might if political leaders in other political parties are also found ‘to have broken the rules’, it will relieve pressure on the PM.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

No, then they should be fined as well.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

They are not worried about the fines at their salary levels. They are only worried about the votes.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

By "they" are you including Johnson?

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

@OB: Don't fall into Hugh's trap!

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Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Give it a rest woman.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Was there any need to phrase it that way?

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Why should she? Let's keep it in the public memory so EVENTUALLY something may,could,possibly could be done.

Let's not let ANYONE in Parliament get away with appalling,cheating and complicit behaviour but make sure they are held to the HIGHEST standards as a true example on how to behave in government.Otherwise why should the rest of us bother?

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

roll on bonfire night

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Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

It's up to the Conservatives to give it a rest on law-breaking then they can't be called out on it! They're making it far too easy for the Opposition parties; this selection is just from April!

• 2 April: Conservative MP David Warburton has whip suspended. (Alleged sexual harrassment, drug use and access following a £150k loan from Russia.)
• 11 April: Conservative MP Imran Khan found guilty of sexually assaulting a 15-year-old boy after plying him with gin at a party.
• 13 April: Prime Minister Boris Johnson and Chancellor Rishi Sunak receive their first Partygate fines.
• 17 April: Conservative MP Andrew Bridgen "lied under oath and behaved in an abusive, arrogant and aggressive manner", a High Court judge has ruled.
• 28 April: Conservative MP Jamie Wallis charged with careless driving and not reporting car crash.
• 28 April: Conservative Peer Michelle Mone's house raided in connection with the PPE scandal.
• 29 April: Conservative MP Neil Parrish suspended then resigned over watching porn in the Parliament.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...3&d=1651493949

This picture is of Keir Starmer sharing a curry with Frank Dobson (who died in 2019).

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...4&d=1651493949

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

A Labour MP was suspended last week, always one sided shit with you Andrew. Pathetic. :rolleyes:

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

You know he could go to prison for what he did...

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

My list was of law-breaking and potential law-breaking by the Conservative Party to illustrate the point that they were making it easy for the Opposition. It would be hard to argue with this based on the long list.

A transgression by the Opposition obviously does not help them so does not make it on the list.

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I felt sorry for the male MPs who were under suspicion of being the porn watcher until he resigned.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

All of them.

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She’s a woman, and I asking her to give it a rest. How else should I phrase it.

If it was a bloke making the same demands I’d post “give it a rest man”

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Maybe Ben is into these countless gender arguments.

There’s nothing wrong in calling a woman a woman.

I wouldn’t feel offended I’d someone said to me ‘Give it a rest, man’. I’m sure Ben wouldn’t be either.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Yes, but you’re a man telling another man to shut up, saying it to the opposite sex, could be construed as chauvinistic or misogyny.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Women keep screaming for equal rights, now we shouldn't treat them the same?

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

You could have just said 'Give it a rest'.

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Adding 'man' and 'woman' are different and understanding why isn't anything to do with 'countless gender arguments'.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

They are not the same though, for reasons as explained in my post above.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Just happy to part of the tyrannical patriarchy that is obviously oppressing Angela Rayner, that Ben feels he needs to protect, which by his own actions is actually demeaning Angela Rayners own agency thus proving he too is actually part of the tyrannical patriarchy.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Only a member of the tyrannical patriarchy would think supporting someone is being demeaning to the person being supported, because that’s how a member of the tyrannical patriarchy would view it, as they couldn’t comprehend there being no ulterior motive behind the support… ;)

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Only a member of the tyrannical patriarchy would accuse another person of being part of the tyrannical patriarchy by not comprehending there being no ulterior motive behind the support given by another member of the tyrannical patriarchy to a senior MP that didn’t need it….;) hope that helps.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Adding ‘man’ or ‘woman’ indicates that you are addressing a ‘man’ or ‘woman’, surely? I see nothing offensive about that.

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I don’t think so, Mick. To be honest , if a woman said to me ‘Giveit a rest, man’ I would not be offended.

Seriously, Mick, would you?

No woman is ashamed of being a woman, so why would she be offended by being referred to what she is? Unless she is trans, I suppose.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

'man' is a colloquial term in both the UK and USA for different meanings. 'Oh man' and 'way aye man' don't always directly refer to a male person.

'woman' doesn't have the same equivalent, so 'Shut up woman' is much more sexist than 'Shut up man'

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Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

It's possible yes. Internalised negative attitudes are a thing https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internalized_sexism, however I'm not personally aware of a woman who would use that phrase in any version of intent.

As I said the usage in language is different, so it's less likely but it's also possible depending on the intent.

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Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

And so back to 'Give it a rest' is all that was needed to get the point across while avoiding said minefield.