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Itshim 05-12-2021 22:14
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by epsilon (Post 36104208)
Basically, it's for people who are interested in that type of information. I wouldn't expect everyone to be interested and, clearly, you aren't. Nobody is forcing you to read it. Feel free to just get on with whatever it is you come here for. :D
Just a thought perhaps a thread along the lines , complicated details to describe a simple change :D

epsilon 05-12-2021 22:25
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36104447)
Just a thought perhaps a thread along the lines , complicated details to describe a simple change :D
Aww bless, do you need keep a buffer between you and any complicated details? Sorry if it gave you a headache. :D

cheekyangus 05-12-2021 23:51
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by epsilon (Post 36104444)
As you can see from that, using the same video PID & audio PID as the original service. Simply allocating a unique service ID number for each BBC region. As you say, and as I have posted previously, prep work for adding BBC One HD regions in England. 10180 will be for the north west.

As far as I know, its reappearance isn't connected to the outage.
My (possibly completely wrong) theory is that VM changed something recently that also hid it from DBR (though that wasn't the reason for doing it) and moving to backup systems made it show up again.

epsilon 05-12-2021 23:59
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cheekyangus (Post 36104453)
My (possibly completely wrong) theory is that VM changed something recently that also hid it from DBR (though that wasn't the reason for doing it) and moving to backup systems made it show up again.
I was told a while ago by someone running one of the DAB monitors that the Virgin monitor would be back after a few technical problems were resolved. I'm not sure that there is much that Virgin could do to "hide" data.

cheekyangus 06-12-2021 00:39
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by epsilon (Post 36104454)
I was told a while ago by someone running one of the DAB monitors that the Virgin monitor would be back after a few technical problems were resolved. I'm not sure that there is much that Virgin could do to "hide" data.
Even a significant technology change behind the scenes? E.g. it was End To End IP streaming with Multicast rather than Broadcast channels using multiplexes.

(Given I'm yawning as I type this it'll probably be nonsense, the above :D)

epsilon 06-12-2021 02:07
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cheekyangus (Post 36104457)
Even a significant technology change behind the scenes? E.g. it was End To End IP streaming with Multicast rather than Broadcast channels using multiplexes.

(Given I'm yawning as I type this it'll probably be nonsense, the above :D)
Lots of over-thinking there. :D - It is the broadcast tv platform so hiding the data would break the tv service.

cheekyangus 06-12-2021 09:23
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by epsilon (Post 36104462)
Lots of over-thinking there. :D - It is the broadcast tv platform so hiding the data would break the tv service.
Give me a moment and I'll think of something else complex and wrong... :D

1andrew1 06-12-2021 09:50
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aguero9320 (Post 36104420)
Discovery now attempting to derail DAZN’s £600m buyout of BT Sport.

https://www.ft.com/content/33f4b1f5-...5-4375c3393c93
It makes sense for BT to pursue another option given the difficulties the negotiations with DAZN are going through. The revelations from the Telegraph make a mockery of the comments I've read on this forum suggesting BT Sport-DAZN was a done deal.

Legendkiller2k 06-12-2021 12:44
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36104467)
It makes sense for BT to pursue another option given the difficulties the negotiations with DAZN are going through. The revelations from the Telegraph make a mockery of the comments I've read on this forum suggesting BT Sport-DAZN was a done deal.
And the comments were also revealled as a error on my part for mis-reading a document if that was a swipe at me.

epsilon 06-12-2021 14:12
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cheekyangus (Post 36104466)
Give me a moment and I'll think of something else complex and wrong... :D
:D
Your suggestion was actually quite interesting, going forward. The DBR site doesn't show any of the tests in the 30xx SID range which link to URLs rather than the usual transport stream content. They aren't hidden, as such, but DBR would have to be adapted to show them. The Virgin Media monitor seems to have gone offline again though.

Media Boy UK 06-12-2021 14:18
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
An new test on DBR using CO58 on stream 21 - but is broadcasting SYFY.

https://www.digitalbitrate.com/dtv.p...&sec=0&lang=en

1andrew1 06-12-2021 14:24
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36104484)
And the comments were also revealled as a error on my part for mis-reading a document if that was a swipe at me.
No, before your postings, I was thinking of discussions on this thread or possibly elsewhere where it was taken as a given deal.

Media Boy UK 06-12-2021 14:53
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aguero9320 (Post 36104420)
Discovery now attempting to derail DAZN’s £600m buyout of BT Sport.

https://www.ft.com/content/33f4b1f5-...5-4375c3393c93
That Discovery / BT Sport story now free on RXTV.

https://rxtvinfo.com/2021/discovery-...-over-bt-sport

Legendkiller2k 06-12-2021 15:22
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36104498)
No, before your postings, I was thinking of discussions on this thread or possibly elsewhere where it was taken as a given deal.
Ah no worries mate :)
Oddly we've not had the Discovery info in our office, it may have gone to our Seattle office though as we're based in USA and UK hopefully they'll send me to Seattle at some point as they often send people from our office there and vice versa.
Another one that did pop up a few months back but has gone quiet now was Disney, given the ESPN fiasco that did surprise me but they've gone quiet on it all now.

epsilon 06-12-2021 15:28
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 36104497)
An new test on DBR using CO58 on stream 21 - but is broadcasting SYFY.

https://www.digitalbitrate.com/dtv.p...&sec=0&lang=en
A quirk of being in DR mode, it should disappear again. (Possibly connected to the old Syfy +1 before it moved?).

Itshim 06-12-2021 19:01
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by epsilon (Post 36104448)
Aww bless, do you need keep a buffer between you and any complicated details? Sorry if it gave you a headache. :D
Not really but at least I wouldn't both to look. Once I do I try to understand even if I really don't care. I am that " listener" of radio 4 that Listens to a show and has no idea what is being discussed . Goes to sound's listens again still fails to understand. But still try s week after week .:D

Raider999 06-12-2021 19:12
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36104467)
It makes sense for BT to pursue another option given the difficulties the negotiations with DAZN are going through. The revelations from the Telegraph make a mockery of the comments I've read on this forum suggesting BT Sport-DAZN was a done deal.

Told you so;)

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36104484)
And the comments were also revealled as a error on my part for mis-reading a document if that was a swipe at me.
To be fair - you did hold your hands up to that

epsilon 06-12-2021 20:37
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36104529)
Not really but at least I wouldn't both to look. Once I do I try to understand even if I really don't care. I am that " listener" of radio 4 that Listens to a show and has no idea what is being discussed . Goes to sound's listens again still fails to understand. But still try s week after week .:D
Yes, it can be difficult to make sense of The Archers. ;)

DDDD 06-12-2021 22:02
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by epsilon (Post 36104444)
As you can see from that, using the same video PID & audio PID as the original service. Simply allocating a unique service ID number for each BBC region. As you say, and as I have posted previously, prep work for adding BBC One HD regions in England. 10180 will be for the north west.

As far as I know, its reappearance isn't connected to the outage.
now think about the pids numbers of a service that starts with a SID of 82 +:confused::confused:

Scheme breaker

jfman 06-12-2021 22:28
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36104484)
And the comments were also revealled as a error on my part for mis-reading a document if that was a swipe at me.
I’m sure I’ve cited it as being described as a done deal independently. Boxing podcasts had referenced it, and I’d read a few news articles around the same time. I definitely appreciate your input into the rumour mill - certainly not worthy of a swipe at for reasonable comment.

My suspicion is it was close to a done deal, however DAZN are causing reputational damage to Serie A in Italy and I suspect BT want a run on deal for which they need continuity of an equivalent service to their BT TV customers for a period. I’m not sure how the Premier League or UEFA do their contracts, but after the ITV Digital fiasco I’d imagine some guarantees (quality of service perhaps?) could sit with BT plc. and BT wouldn’t necessarily want to be on the hook for compo around DAZN’s failings.

Incidentally I watched the Anthony Yarde fight in 4K HDR on the BT app on Saturday and it was excellent. If DAZN aren’t up to that level of coverage then some BT customers under contract would rightly feel short changed.

epsilon 06-12-2021 22:40
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DDDD (Post 36104552)
now think about the pids numbers of a service that starts with a SID of 82 +:confused::confused:

Scheme breaker
A little bit cryptic. :p

I'm guessing you mean what I mentioned in post #1810

DDDD 06-12-2021 23:29
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
#1800 mate

10180 is correct as you said , but imagine 10190

9009 for vid
9031 for ac3
etc etc
Its out the the pid range , spec breaker and a bit of a head scratcher . I don't think DVB ever envisaged regional muxes getting so fragmented with so many services . Needs a future move and tidy up .

Media Boy UK 07-12-2021 01:18
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Just found the following on "VM TV Outage" posted on December 2nd (posts numbers 79 and 80.)

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...3710636&page=6

Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottishSteve (Post 36104299)
360 is night and day to the Tivo system, although there are a few features from the Tivo system not present which is covered in other threads on the forum.

It has the HD channel swap if you package has a particular channel in HD it is swapped to the higher number (Except for Channel4 outside London) but a lot cleaner interface and less menus to have to navigate.

My household much prefer 360
Quote:
Originally Posted by DDDD (Post 36104300)
I can't comment officially , but I would guess Ch4 will be sorted in the next 6 months
@DDD - Do that mean the SD Channels of Channel 4, E4, 4Seven and More4 is set to close on Virgin Media within the next six months?

But it look like Channel 4 HD is set to move to Channel 104 in England, Scotland and Northern Ireland by June 2022.

That mean Channel 4 HD is set to move to Channel 108 in Wales by June 2022.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by epsilon (Post 36104506)
A quirk of being in DR mode, it should disappear again. (Possibly connected to the old Syfy +1 before it moved?).
That time of posting I can confirmed that SYFY +1 is still broadcasting from SID 2131 so maybe moving soon to SID 621 to sit beside SYFY on SID 623.

epsilon 07-12-2021 01:27
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DDDD (Post 36104567)
#1800 mate

10180 is correct as you said , but imagine 10190

9009 for vid
9031 for ac3
etc etc
Its out the the pid range , spec breaker and a bit of a head scratcher . I don't think DVB ever envisaged regional muxes getting so fragmented with so many services . Needs a future move and tidy up .
This is why DTT has a unique TSID for each regional multiplex and re-uses the PIDs across each region. Virgin's method gets a little overcrowded.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 36104575)
That time of posting I can confirmed that SYFY +1 is still broadcasting from SID 2131 so maybe moving soon to SID 621 to sit beside SYFY on SID 623.
My information is that SID 621 had disappeared by Dec 4th. SID 440, however, hadn't - if you want to speculate. :D

ScottishSteve 07-12-2021 01:29
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Media Boy I think you are reading too far into that there.

Channel4 HD will be in 104 in all areas.

The HD swap is already applied to the other services if your package includes it on 360

Media Boy UK 07-12-2021 01:33
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by epsilon (Post 36104577)
This is why DTT has a unique TSID for each regional multiplex and re-uses the PIDs across each region. Virgin's method gets a little overcrowded.

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My information is that SID 621 had disappeared by Dec 4th. SID 440, however, hadn't - if you want to speculate. :D
I was just telling what my TiVo box was saying. But saying that I have just seen the info on CO58 on DBR has not been updated since December 3rd.

epsilon 07-12-2021 01:44
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 36104580)
I was just telling what my TiVo box was saying. But saying that I have just seen the info on CO58 on DBR has not been updated since December 3rd.
Virgin was still in DR mode on Dec 3rd.

Media Boy UK 07-12-2021 02:06
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Well the time has come for "Best of" to reappear on Cable Forum.

But this year you have until December 24th at 23.59 to tell me your best:

A) New Channel of the year (Nominate by YOU):
NOTE: Tell me if your vote is for an HD or SD Channel

What launch in 2021 on Virgin TV?

Sky Showcase HD
Sky Showcase
QVC Extra
GB News HD
Colors Gujarati
GREAT! tv*
GREAT! movies classic*
GREAT! movies*
GREAT! movies action*
Utsav Gold HD*
Utsav Bharat*
Utsav Plus HD*
Sky Documentaries (SD)
Sky Nature (SD)

*Branded by new owners.

B) Best poster on Cable Forum with Information (Nominate by YOU):
NOTE: Do NOT vote for me.

C) Best Radio Channel of the year (Nominate by YOU):

To vote just PM me. Note if you vote via this thread YOUR VOTE WILL NOT COUNT.

Results will be revealed after 5pm GMT on December 31st.

Also I can confirmed at "Changes to Virgin TV (2022)" will launch on Cable Forum just after 8pm on December 31st.

So Happy Holidays and get voting.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by epsilon (Post 36104581)
Virgin was still in DR mode on Dec 3rd.
DBR listed the last update as Dec. 3rd at 23:15

epsilon 07-12-2021 02:21
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
You should probably add Sky Showcase/HD as Sky Max is basically just a rebrand of Sky One.

Media Boy UK 07-12-2021 02:26
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by epsilon (Post 36104584)
You should probably add Sky Showcase/HD as Sky Max is basically just a rebrand of Sky One.
Done.

BenMcr 07-12-2021 12:58
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Virgin Media have already dropped some SD only channels where both SD and HD were in the same pack e.g. Gold is in HD only on Virgin Media.

Legendkiller2k 07-12-2021 13:50
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Actually enquired about vm today not in my block, yet oddly it's in the houses either side lol.

Media Boy UK 07-12-2021 15:27
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Well the time has come for "Best of" to reappear on Cable Forum.

But this year you have until December 24th at 23.59 to tell me your best:

A) New Channel of the year (Nominate by YOU):
NOTE: Tell me if your vote is for an HD or SD Channel

What launch in 2021 on Virgin TV?

Sky Showcase HD
Sky Showcase
QVC Extra
GB News HD
Colors Gujarati
GREAT! tv*
GREAT! movies classic*
GREAT! movies*
GREAT! movies action*
Utsav Gold HD*
Utsav Bharat*
Utsav Plus HD*
Sky Documentaries (SD)
Sky Nature (SD)

*Branded by new owners.

B) Best poster on Cable Forum with Information (Nominate by YOU):
NOTE: Do NOT vote for me.

C) Best Radio Channel of the year (Nominate by YOU):

To vote just PM me. Note if you vote via this thread YOUR VOTE WILL NOT COUNT.

Results will be revealed after 5pm GMT on December 31st.

Also I can confirmed at "Changes to Virgin TV (2022)" will launch on Cable Forum just after 8pm on December 31st.

So Happy Holidays and get voting.

Media Boy UK 08-12-2021 14:04
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Look like DAZN is set to launch an UK Pay TV Channel called DAZN PPV

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/manage-your...cences/updates

Raider999 08-12-2021 16:20
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 36104782)
Look like DAZN is set to launch an UK Pay TV Channel called DAZN PPV

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/manage-your...cences/updates


Wonder why they would do that given linear TV is doomed and the future is streaming which is what they already do (not very well according to public in Italy):confused::confused:

epsilon 08-12-2021 16:45
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 36104782)
Look like DAZN is set to launch an UK Pay TV Channel called DAZN PPV

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/manage-your...cences/updates
That update also shows Leeds TV etc have handed back their TLCS licences. Probably a result of the changes on Sky but should they still need those licences for carriage on Virgin?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 36104575)
@DDD - Do that mean the SD Channels of Channel 4, E4, 4Seven and More4 is set to close on Virgin Media within the next six months?

But it look like Channel 4 HD is set to move to Channel 104 in England, Scotland and Northern Ireland by June 2022.

That mean Channel 4 HD is set to move to Channel 108 in Wales by June 2022.

Channel 4 will probably follow the same pattern that happened when 4HD moved to 104 in London, so it is quite likely that the SD version will go. The same probably won't happen for the non-PSB channels as the HD channels are only available in top level subscription packages.


Quote:
That time of posting I can confirmed that SYFY +1 is still broadcasting from SID 2131 so maybe moving soon to SID 621 to sit beside SYFY on SID 623.
DBR shows that SID 621 has been removed, as I suggested it would.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36104796)
Wonder why they would do that given linear TV is doomed and the future is streaming which is what they already do (not very well according to public in Italy):confused::confused:
No doubt Old Boy will have an explanation. :D

Media Boy UK 08-12-2021 17:18
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by epsilon (Post 36104797)
That update also shows Leeds TV etc have handed back their TLCS licences. Probably a result of the changes on Sky but should they still need those licences for carriage on Virgin?
No Idea on if That's TV Local are still broadcasting via Virgin Media.

Quote:
Originally Posted by epsilon (Post 36104797)
Channel 4 will probably follow the same pattern that happened when 4HD moved to 104 in London, so it is quite likely that the SD version will go. The same probably won't happen for the non-PSB channels as the HD channels are only available in top level subscription packages.
I only ask about Channel 4 SD, E4 SD, More4 SD, Film4 SD and 4Seven SD being remove when Channel 4 HD may move within the next six months was due to Virgin axing STV when STV HD was move to Channel 103 in Scotland and also BBC One HD (Outside England) on Channel 101 and BBC Two HD on Channel 102 but keeping Channel 5 HD on Channel 154.

epsilon 08-12-2021 18:05
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 36104801)
No Idea on if That's TV Local are still broadcasting via Virgin Media.
Me neither, do they even have a reason to broadcast at all with their current content? But I actually meant the ex-Made in... channels, which are listed in that update as having handed back their TLCS licences.

Quote:
I only ask about Channel 4 SD, E4 SD, More4 SD, Film4 SD and 4Seven SD being remove when Channel 4 HD may move within the next six months was due to Virgin axing STV when STV HD was move to Channel 103 in Scotland and also BBC One HD (Outside England) on Channel 101 and BBC Two HD on Channel 102 but keeping Channel 5 HD on Channel 154.
It will be handled differently for different broadcasters but the best guide is to look at what already happened with Channel 4 in London. E4 / More 4 etc are another matter as long as the HD versions are limited to the top subscription packages. Making them available to everyone would devalue Maxit, or whatever it is called at the moment.

OLD BOY 08-12-2021 23:27
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by epsilon (Post 36104797)

No doubt Old Boy will have an explanation. :D
Oh, that’s all been explained before - no need for him to be confused.

Clue: it’s only 2021. :rolleyes:

Media Boy UK 09-12-2021 14:02
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by epsilon (Post 36104797)
That update also shows Leeds TV etc have handed back their TLCS licences. Probably a result of the changes on Sky but should they still need those licences for carriage on Virgin?
As of 05:46 today DBR is showing that Local TV broadcaster "Liverpool TV" is still being carriage on Virgin Media.

https://www.digitalbitrate.com/dtv.p...&sec=0&lang=en

epsilon 09-12-2021 16:29
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 36104928)
As of 05:46 today DBR is showing that Local TV broadcaster "Liverpool TV" is still being carriage on Virgin Media.

https://www.digitalbitrate.com/dtv.p...&sec=0&lang=en
As are the others so it does seem odd that they handed back their licence to Ofcom. Not to worry though, I'm sure they know what they are doing. :erm:

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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36104879)
Oh, that’s all been explained before - no need for him to be confused.

Clue: it’s only 2021. :rolleyes:
Aha! so streamers setting up traditional linear services is just a milestone marking the path to a linear free 2035? :D

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Quote:
Originally Posted by epsilon (Post 36104577)
My information is that SID 621 had disappeared by Dec 4th. SID 440, however, hadn't - if you want to speculate. :D
SID 440 is now listed as ITV Tier but only added to non-customer networks at the moment. Maybe a new subscriber pack for ITV Hub+ or even BritBox??? - just a guess.

cheekyangus 09-12-2021 18:30
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by epsilon (Post 36104947)
As are the others so it does seem odd that they handed back their licence to Ofcom. Not to worry though, I'm sure they know what they are doing. :erm:
Could VM maybe be getting the channel known as Local TV on Sky which is a pick 'n' mix of that particular Local TV company's stations? That is a single National stream, maybe they are going that route on Cable too?

Itshim 09-12-2021 18:45
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by epsilon (Post 36104545)
Yes, it can be difficult to make sense of The Archers. ;)
As is " woman's hour, " " in our time" really leaves me lost but guess it make me look up things ,at my age that a challenge :shocked: totally off subject trying to work out how to use Tesco clubcard with out printing coupons off !!!!

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Quote:
Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 36104614)
Virgin Media have already dropped some SD only channels where both SD and HD were in the same pack e.g. Gold is in HD only on Virgin Media.
Could they not do this to channels such as 4 and channel 5:confused:

spiderplant 09-12-2021 19:02
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36104971)
Could they not do this to channels such as 4 and channel 5:confused:
Channel 5 already is, isn't it? Channel 4 HD currently isn't available for all regions.

epsilon 09-12-2021 19:26
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cheekyangus (Post 36104966)
Could VM maybe be getting the channel known as Local TV on Sky which is a pick 'n' mix of that particular Local TV company's stations? That is a single National stream, maybe they are going that route on Cable too?
It's possible but I wouldn't be surprised if they simply forgot about cable. After all, they forgot about making local programmes so why would they worry about anything else?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36104971)
As is " woman's hour, " " in our time" really leaves me lost but guess it make me look up things ,at my age that a challenge :shocked: totally off subject trying to work out how to use Tesco clubcard with out printing coupons off !!!!
Isn't there an option to have the coupons sent by post? I don't know, it's a long time since I used Tesco.

Paul 09-12-2021 20:09
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36104971)
totally off subject trying to work out how to use Tesco clubcard with out printing coupons off !
I use them online.

cheekyangus 09-12-2021 21:14
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 36104975)
Channel 5 already is, isn't it? Channel 4 HD currently isn't available for all regions.
CH5 and other ViacomCBS channels with their HD version in the most prominent position still have their SD counterparts available, despite HD version being available to the same tiers, which was probably why it was said I'm guessing.
Quote:
Originally Posted by epsilon (Post 36104979)
It's possible but I wouldn't be surprised if they simply forgot about cable. After all, they forgot about making local programmes so why would they worry about anything else?

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Isn't there an option to have the coupons sent by post? I don't know, it's a long time since I used Tesco.
Tesco regularly send them in the post. For all but the newer members they will be the default, you have to opt-in to alternatives.

epsilon 10-12-2021 07:13
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by epsilon (Post 36104947)
SID 440 is now listed as ITV Tier but only added to non-customer networks at the moment. Maybe a new subscriber pack for ITV Hub+ or even BritBox??? - just a guess.
From news received this morning, this has now been added to customer networks and linked with Full House / Maxit subscription tiers / packs.

OLD BOY 10-12-2021 07:40
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by epsilon (Post 36104947)
As are the others so it does seem odd that they handed back their licence to Ofcom. Not to worry though, I'm sure they know what they are doing. :erm:

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Aha! so streamers setting up traditional linear services is just a milestone marking the path to a linear free 2035? :D.
It’s just a recognition of the current state of play with streaming and the fact that broadband is not fully rolled out. Nothing strange about it.

Hugh 10-12-2021 09:59
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
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https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...2&d=1639130458

Legendkiller2k 10-12-2021 12:28
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36105053)
Well if Hyperoptic are anything to go by we'll be lucky if the UK is full fibre by 4035 let alone 2035 lol.

epsilon 10-12-2021 13:08
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36105038)
It’s just a recognition of the current state of play with streaming and the fact that broadband is not fully rolled out. Nothing strange about it.
The only certainty about the universal broadband rollout schedule is the ever increasing slippage period.

Media Boy UK 10-12-2021 14:39
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Digital Spy Forum is reporting "National Geographic is looking to close their linear channels in February."

https://forums.digitalspy.com/discus...-ends-bbc-deal

Itshim 10-12-2021 17:22
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36104986)
I use them online.
Don't really go there that much . No hope off using against phone cost ?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by cheekyangus (Post 36104991)
CH5 and other ViacomCBS channels with their HD version in the most prominent position still have their SD counterparts available, despite HD version being available to the same tiers, which was probably why it was said I'm guessing.


Tesco regularly send them in the post. For all but the newer members they will be the default, you have to opt-in to alternatives.
Would love to know how , getting no sense out of there customer service . No change there then !

Media Boy UK 11-12-2021 12:31
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Been told in the last few days by two Media Boy Sources that an well know Streaming service was set to launch on Virgin Media in November but for some reason Virgin Media did not flicked the switch.

This story is link to my story on August 4th 2021.

https://mediaboyblog.blogspot.com/20...-talks-to.html

Phunkenstein 11-12-2021 13:32
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 36105099)
Digital Spy Forum is reporting "National Geographic is looking to close their linear channels in February."

https://forums.digitalspy.com/discus...-ends-bbc-deal
Yes the same reputable poster on DS who earlier said it was closing in December.

Media Boy UK 11-12-2021 18:18
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 36105225)
Been told in the last few days by two Media Boy Sources that an well know Streaming service was set to launch on Virgin Media in November but for some reason Virgin Media did not flicked the switch.

This story is link to my story on August 4th 2021.

https://mediaboyblog.blogspot.com/20...-talks-to.html
Update: I know the name of that "well known streaming service" that did not appear on Virgin Media last month. But my sources did not say if I am allow to name it on here.

Mad Max 11-12-2021 20:40
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 36105253)
Update: I know the name of that "well known streaming service" that did not appear on Virgin Media last month. But my sources did not say if I am allow to name it on here.
ffs post it, what are you afraid of, the Gulag?

Carth 11-12-2021 22:47
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36105272)
ffs post it, what are you afraid of, the Gulag?
:erm: Nobody expects the 'media sources Inquisition' :erm: :Yikes:

heero_yuy 12-12-2021 08:02
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36105285)
:erm: Nobody expects the 'media sources Inquisition' :erm: :Yikes:
Bring on the comfy chair with tea and biscuits.:eek:

Tricky Trevor 12-12-2021 10:27
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 36105225)
Been told in the last few days by two Media Boy Sources that an well know Streaming service was set to launch on Virgin Media in November but for some reason Virgin Media did not flicked the switch.

This story is link to my story on August 4th 2021.

https://mediaboyblog.blogspot.com/20...-talks-to.html
Maybe the same people who forgot to flick the switch for Sky Sports Ultra 4K which was promised in May 2019.

Itshim 12-12-2021 11:39
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Why not just wait and see ? After all there is nothing anyone here could do about it .

Legendkiller2k 12-12-2021 12:49
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
During 2022 VM are going to be quite aggressive in rolling out their 1gbs broadband, tbh i thought all vm customers could get it but appears not.
Also we should see the rollout of their tv streaming service on a wider scale, eventually it'll be available to anyone with decent broadband speeds (key word eventually).
This is just stuff that came into work last week, as from Thursday we have been working from home finally decent coffee again lol, and we'll break up on Friday 17th for Christmas so not sure if anything else will come in now.

Carth 12-12-2021 13:07
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
What is classed as 'decent broadband speeds' for streaming?

Richardr 12-12-2021 14:22
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36105317)
During 2022 VM are going to be quite aggressive in rolling out their 1gbs broadband, tbh i thought all vm customers could get it but appears not.
They issued a NASDAQ stock exchange release stating that they had fully rolled it out:

https://www.libertyglobal.com/virgin...upgrade-in-uk/

Legendkiller2k 12-12-2021 14:42
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Richardr (Post 36105327)
They issued a NASDAQ stock exchange release stating that they had fully rolled it out:

https://www.libertyglobal.com/virgin...upgrade-in-uk/
Could mean they're connecting new properties, expanding etc then, the doc doesn't say too much.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36105320)
What is classed as 'decent broadband speeds' for streaming?
This is only my opinion but 20mbs+ for me

Carth 12-12-2021 14:52
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36105320)
What is classed as 'decent broadband speeds' for streaming?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36105333)

This is only my opinion but 20mbs+ for me
right, so a 100Mb speed is fine, I've no need to got to 1Gig and the extra costs ;)

Media Boy UK 12-12-2021 15:15
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Virgin Media did not launch Discovery+ last month.

I can now reveal that Discovery + was set to launch on Virgin Media in November.

No news on when it will launch.

epsilon 12-12-2021 16:05
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
There'll probably be quite a few streamers failing to launch on Virgin in the coming months. This could be the start of a trend. ;)

Legendkiller2k 12-12-2021 16:24
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36105338)
right, so a 100Mb speed is fine, I've no need to got to 1Gig and the extra costs ;)
Depends on how many are in your household, ammount of devices connecting etc.
Most people don't need 1gbs, 100mbs is penty for most at the moment.

Itshim 12-12-2021 18:56
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 36105345)
Virgin Media did not launch Discovery+ last month.

I can now reveal that Discovery + was set to launch on Virgin Media in November.

No news on when it will launch.
Go on have a guess ! After all it's seems to be what you are good at :D

Legendkiller2k 13-12-2021 14:18
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Going to debunk a rumour i've seen on other forums, as it stands NBC or SKY have no intention of closing SYFY.

Media Boy UK 13-12-2021 16:17
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
CBBC Channel broadcasting hours will be cut by 14 hours per week from January 5th.

The BBC has confirmed that CBBC Channel will close at 7pm from January 5th ahead of the relaunch of BBC THREE on February 1st.

https://rxtvinfo.com/2021/new-year-change-to-cbbc-hours

Rob King 13-12-2021 17:29
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 36105345)
Virgin Media did not launch Discovery+ last month.

I can now reveal that Discovery + was set to launch on Virgin Media in November.

No news on when it will launch.
It's December did we miss something ?

cheekyangus 13-12-2021 17:32
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob King (Post 36105510)
It's December did we miss something ?
As was suggested earlier, maybe it was related to the new interface/features, so it was postponed.
https://rxtvinfo.com/2021/new-featur...date-rolls-out

1701-e 14-12-2021 09:20
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
One change VM need to make is that Christmas football advertisement on the on-demand service. It has a line about FA Cup football being on BT sport. Whoops!

cheekyangus 14-12-2021 10:11
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1701-e (Post 36105578)
One change VM need to make is that Christmas football advertisement on the on-demand service. It has a line about FA Cup football being on BT sport. Whoops!
Does it? I thought it was about having "all the football" on VM, and since they carry the services that have the FA Cup that part is true. I swear I saw a bit with an asterisk at the bottom about Amazon needing a separate subscription for example.

I wasn't paying full attention as I wasn't particularly interested, but that's how I remember it the times I've seen it.

1701-e 14-12-2021 14:42
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
It's still there. Must be using last year's promo.

vincerooney 14-12-2021 23:38
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1701-e (Post 36105578)
One change VM need to make is that Christmas football advertisement on the on-demand service. It has a line about FA Cup football being on BT sport. Whoops!
do both channels have the rights to the FA Cup final?

1701-e 15-12-2021 07:18
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 36105725)
do both channels have the rights to the FA Cup final?
ITV have the rights along with BBC. BT sport's last match was the fa cup final

Media Boy UK 17-12-2021 22:22
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Virgin Media to offer Virgin Media UHD channel for free this christmas.

From Saturday 18th December until Friday 31st December, Virgin TV customers with a Virgin TV 360 or V6 box can enjoy our Virgin TV UHD channel (CH 228/999) at no extra cost.

https://community.virginmedia.com/t5...s/ba-p/4889256

vincerooney 18-12-2021 01:33
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
what do we think is next? or a better question what sky exclusive is going to expire and we may get it...disney?

heavyside 18-12-2021 09:32
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Perhaps I am being cynical but it seems that only subscribers on the lower tier packages get offered these free goodies. Those on the top tier (Ultimate Oomph/Volt) never seem to be included in such Christmas gifts as they already get Virgin UHD as part of their package.

1andrew1 18-12-2021 09:57
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by heavyside (Post 36106208)
Perhaps I am being cynical but it seems that only subscribers on the lower tier packages get offered these free goodies. Those on the top tier (Ultimate Oomph/Volt) never seem to be included in such Christmas gifts as they already get Virgin UHD as part of their package.
The aim is to get those on lower packages to upgrade as they are effectively being given a free trial.

Raider999 18-12-2021 11:07
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by heavyside (Post 36106208)
Perhaps I am being cynical but it seems that only subscribers on the lower tier packages get offered these free goodies. Those on the top tier (Ultimate Oomph/Volt) never seem to be included in such Christmas gifts as they already get Virgin UHD as part of their package.

They cannot offer it to you as an extra because you already have it - as 1andrew1 Posted, it is a cost nothing option attempting to get those without it to try it and then subscribe.

Tricky Trevor 18-12-2021 11:35
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 36106191)
Virgin Media to offer Virgin Media UHD channel for free this christmas.

From Saturday 18th December until Friday 31st December, Virgin TV customers with a Virgin TV 360 or V6 box can enjoy our Virgin TV UHD channel (CH 228/999) at no extra cost.

https://community.virginmedia.com/t5...s/ba-p/4889256
I would much rather have Sky Sports UHD for Christmas.

RichardCoulter 18-12-2021 12:44
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
I get why they are trying to upsell those on the lower tiers, but it would be better if Virgin acknowledged those of us on the top tier and gave us a PPV film or something now and again. Sky do this under their VIP scheme.

heavyside 18-12-2021 14:37
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36106215)
The aim is to get those on lower packages to upgrade as they are effectively being given a free trial.
I get that. Some other kind of freebie for those that pay for the top tier would be nice.

Raider999 18-12-2021 14:54
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by heavyside (Post 36106252)
I get that. Some other kind of freebie for those that pay for the top tier would be nice.
I think you are missing the point - free UHD over Christmas is a loss leader to encourage people to upgrade thus potentially increasing future revenue.

Giving top tier customers freebies gains nothing

epsilon 18-12-2021 20:22
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 36106191)
Virgin Media to offer Virgin Media UHD channel for free this christmas.

From Saturday 18th December until Friday 31st December, Virgin TV customers with a Virgin TV 360 or V6 box can enjoy our Virgin TV UHD channel (CH 228/999) at no extra cost.

https://community.virginmedia.com/t5...s/ba-p/4889256
I wasn't notified of any subscription pack code changes this morning, so I've asked and been told that it is still marked as "Full House" only. The community pages also seem to have messages saying it isn't available. Strange! Maybe everyone is on the naughty list. :D

RichardCoulter 18-12-2021 21:13
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36106255)
I think you are missing the point - free UHD over Christmas is a loss leader to encourage people to upgrade thus potentially increasing future revenue.

Giving top tier customers freebies gains nothing
It helps to generate & retain goodwill, that's why Sky do it.

Looks like Virgin have screwed something up yet again though as people on the lower tiers are complaining they can't access it.

vincerooney 19-12-2021 02:11
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tricky Trevor (Post 36106230)
I would much rather have Sky Sports UHD for Christmas.
Do that many people have UHD tvs? I have my own set up and have a 32 inch tv in my living quarters with my work desktop computer next to me. its a small room. i can't fit a bigger tv in my living quarters. No UHD tvs exist for people like me.

I know most people have huge titanic tvs in their sitting room (again people i know dont really but have 36-42 inch tvs) and again UHD isn't really an option for these people.

Only seems available for people with BEHEMOTH TVS and i don't think there are as many people with those sized tvs as people expect hence the slow, slow, slow roll out of UHD compared to SD to digital

ozsat 19-12-2021 06:47
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
There are several 32" UHD tvs on Amazon - but I don't think many would see a benefit over a good HD tv.

Actually there are even 24".

Quote:
Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 36106369)
Do that many people have UHD tvs? I have my own set up and have a 32 inch tv in my living quarters with my work desktop computer next to me. its a small room. i can't fit a bigger tv in my living quarters. No UHD tvs exist for people like me.

I know most people have huge titanic tvs in their sitting room (again people i know dont really but have 36-42 inch tvs) and again UHD isn't really an option for these people.

Only seems available for people with BEHEMOTH TVS and i don't think there are as many people with those sized tvs as people expect hence the slow, slow, slow roll out of UHD compared to SD to digital

spiderplant 19-12-2021 10:11
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 36106369)
Do that many people have UHD tvs?
Yes, over 50% of UK homes have one now.

Whether it's worth having a small UHD TV depends on your viewing distance. I'm writing this on a 15" UHD-resolution screen.

cheekyangus 19-12-2021 11:11
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ozsat (Post 36106370)
There are several 32" UHD tvs on Amazon - but I don't think many would see a benefit over a good HD tv.

Actually there are even 24".
Glad to hear that. Can't be doing with big screen, neither would relatives I know.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 36106376)
Yes, over 50% of UK homes have one now.

Whether it's worth having a small UHD TV depends on your viewing distance. I'm writing this on a 15" UHD-resolution screen.
I'm guessing from your wording that's a computer monitor or tablet?

Itshim 19-12-2021 11:36
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 36106376)
Yes, over 50% of UK homes have one now.

Whether it's worth having a small UHD TV depends on your viewing distance. I'm writing this on a 15" UHD-resolution screen.
Yes I do and it's only 43" , about as big as is required in the room it's in.

SonicMaster 19-12-2021 12:30
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
ITV box sets will be removed from On Demand from 31st December.

There are about 140 TV series currently available, so this will be one of the biggest reductions in On Demand since the BBC box sets were removed.

I assume this is to push people to use BritBox, so maybe the BritBox app is coming soon to VM?

cheekyangus 19-12-2021 12:41
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SonicMaster (Post 36106392)
ITV box sets will be removed from On Demand from 31st December.

There are about 140 TV series currently available, so this will be one of the biggest reductions in On Demand since the BBC box sets were removed.

I assume this is to push people to use BritBox, so maybe the BritBox app is coming soon to VM?
As has been mentioned previously (not by me), there's an ITV tier that's recently been added to VM systems, it shows on DigitialBitRate website. The thought was ITV Hub+ and/or BritBox UK are getting added to certain TV packages.

Media Boy UK 19-12-2021 14:25
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Well the time has come for "Best of" to reappear on Cable Forum.

But this year you have until December 24th at 23.59 to tell me your best:

A) New Channel of the year (Nominate by YOU):
NOTE: Tell me if your vote is for an HD or SD Channel

What launch in 2021 on Virgin TV?

Sky Showcase HD
Sky Showcase
QVC Extra
GB News HD
Colors Gujarati
GREAT! tv*
GREAT! movies classic*
GREAT! movies*
GREAT! movies action*
Utsav Gold HD*
Utsav Bharat*
Utsav Plus HD*
Sky Documentaries (SD)
Sky Nature (SD)

*Branded by new owners.

B) Best poster on Cable Forum with Information (Nominate by YOU):
NOTE: Do NOT vote for me.

C) Best Radio Channel of the year (Nominate by YOU):

To vote just PM me. Note if you vote via this thread YOUR VOTE WILL NOT COUNT.

Results will be revealed after 5pm GMT on December 31st.

Also I can confirmed at "Changes to Virgin TV (2022)" will launch on Cable Forum just after 8pm on December 31st.

So Happy Holidays and get voting.

UPDATE: As of December 19th I have still to get a vote from anyone.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by cheekyangus (Post 36106394)
As has been mentioned previously (not by me), there's an ITV tier that's recently been added to VM systems, it shows on DigitialBitRate website. The thought was ITV Hub+ and/or BritBox UK are getting added to certain TV packages.
From December 9th.

Quote:
Originally Posted by epsilon (Post 36104947)
SID 440 is now listed as ITV Tier but only added to non-customer networks at the moment. Maybe a new subscriber pack for ITV Hub+ or even BritBox??? - just a guess.
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...postcount=1841

ScottishSteve 19-12-2021 15:49
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 36106404)
UPDATE: As of December 19th I have still to get a vote from anyone.[COLOR="Silver"]
Maybe nobody watches linear TV or cares about pointless polls.

;)


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