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Yes pen them all in. A few macine gun posts wouldn't go amiss.
We don't want the grotty plague ridden South Easterners spoling our green and pleasant land. Think we should make it permanent and declare independence. Could be the new Brexit.... ;)

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Many Home Counties types and Londoners now walk amongst you after hearing BoJo's latest u-turn.
https://news.sky.com/video/crowded-t...ondon-12168043

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...-leave-tier-4/

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"Disproportionate" means to the number of cases regardless of variant.
The rates of mortality etc may be similar for both variants, but if this newer variant spreads more easily, then that inevitably leads to more cases, leading to more deaths etc.

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Nobody is arguing about the mortality/admission rates have changed. This is about the increased transmission capability.

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How is that measured with any accuracy?

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https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-...ation-12161566

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Still relevant to me.

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The year is 2025. The UK is in tier 53, only people named Colin who were born on a Tuesday can leave the house. Anyone over 31 must be wrapped in clingfilm over weekends.You MUST go into work unless you probably shouldn't.
Schools are still open.:D

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. . . and the last pub in England that remains standing has been classified as a site of historical interest, with millions of mourners visitors expected yearly ;)

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If they're driving lorries, yes probably ;)

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The advice the government was given is out: https://khub.net/documents/135939561...=1608470511452

Don't understand a lot of it but understand this line is bad:

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Exactly how does it transmit more easily ?

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It's not been definatively proven though so still a reasonably high degree of speculation.

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Spike protein according to the egg head on the radio yesterday, it's the way viruses hijack cells and apparently it's easier for the mutant. Tbh I'm just a simple guy, very simple some would say but isn't this the logical advancement, a virus that is easier to transmit but less deadly to the host?

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Bad news for anyone planning to run abroad, we're not wanted.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...holiday-plans/

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Very good question.

Somebody may be along soon to explain that a multitude of virologists, scientists and Government busybodies have found - after very extensive testing and data manipulation - that there are 0.0371% more of the virus in droplets expelled from the mouth when shouting in anger at next doors cat wandering through your flower beds.

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Nerf gun. ;)

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If you mean the variant, there is no evidence of that, no matter how many times the Telegraph tries to dog-whistle that message... ;)

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The spike protein is the virus' skeleton key - it 'unlocks' the target cell so the virus can get inside. Once inside it can set about turning the cell into a virus factory. The new variant virus has a more efficient design of spike protein that is more effective at unlocking target cells in the human body.

In a sense the most evolved virus would happily reside in a host body without damaging it or worse, killing it, but as a virus damages a host in the very act of turning host cells into virus factories in reality what it really needs is to be highly contagious, but not rapidly fatal. As long as it can spread to as many other people as possible without killing its host or incapacitating the host so the host doesn't come into contact with other potential hosts, the virus could be said to be doing very well.

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https://virological.org/t/preliminar...-mutations/563

It binds to our receptors better, and avoids the immune response better.

Evolution in action

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Well it didn’t bloody well parachute in did it? We are an island. If the new variant is here, the chances are it’s already in many other places.

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Mutations happen in situ, they don’t have to come from anywhere else.

The same mutation has been found in Denmark and Australia.

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Well done, you have both disagreed and agreed with me simultaneously!

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So Danish people aren't wanted either then?

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You'll have to ask the countries concerned Max old chap.

We seem to have more cases and are more of an issue.

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Apologies, I mis-read your post.

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Well looks like the world is cutting us off!

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Bloody foreigners:)


as long as the north pole don't cut us off before Christmas we'll be ok.

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They need us more than we need them, honest guv. ;)

Maybe we should go full New Zealand now seeing as they aren’t that bothered about our international transport hub status.

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It’s OK, Santa’s had his vaccination.

https://www.npr.org/2020/12/19/94840...uci-tells-kids

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Even herd immunity Sweden don’t want the new strain, you couldn’t make it up. :D

Thought Tengell would be subsidising flights over to get it done with.

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https://www.newstatesman.com/world/e...ainst-covid-19

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BREAKING: Italy reporting they have a case of the new COVID-19 Variant found UK.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-new...weeks-12162014

Spain decides against banning flights from UK

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COVID is a bit rubbish really isn't it?

#CancelCOVID

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Snowflake!

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I’m looking forward to the sequel. :)

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That will be #BDSCovid

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The COVID Strikes Back!

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Oh I don't know, there's a lot to be said for social distancing #unwelcomerelatives@xmas ;)

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Covid-19: Dover port halts exports to France for 48 hours

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55389505

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Peak fear has been initiated, “new variant”...”out of control”.......we’re all doomed.

Sir Kier hindsight, says we should have gone into lockdown earlier and harder.

I can’t remember when a Labour leader demanded that more people should lose their jobs? But that’s the left nowadays, so far removed from the working class as to be totally irrelevant in modern politics.

Ports have closed......not political at all, but then if you promote a “new variant” fear agenda, then you might scare the neighbours....well done.

We have nothing to fear, but fear merchants themselves.

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To be honest I think we’ve got more to fear from those ignorant to reality, but each to their own.

I can’t think of a rational reason any Government - let alone a Conservative one - would willingly pursue these policies with economic impacts unless there was an overwhelming health concern.

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He did call for these restrictions before the Government did and he did call for the lockdown in November before the Government did. Hardly hindsight. Although he was only advocating what SAGE had already recommended in both cases.

And a pandemic.

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We also have to fear those who deny reality...

Do you really believe that every country in the world has been taken in by scientists who have created a global conspiracy (but to what end)?

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To normalise the idea that the government should regulate every action for the good of the public health?

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At huge economic cost to the globe? Meanwhile other governments continue life as normal coining it in? The rational capitalist out there would see huge economic advantages to be gained over neighbouring countries by not joining the global conspiracy.

Yet they seemingly do not exist. Nobody, anywhere.

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China seem to be perfectly normal, no issues there anymore..........weird that......, just a little bit, to the passing individual?

The USA and Western Europe totally prolapsed by COVID, yet China just ticking along nicely......again nothing to be suspicious about.....,like I said a while back, my tin foil hat well and truly broken in recently.

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That would be China that locked down and severely restricted internal travel for months? Dare I say a success of state planning/infrastructure and not outsourcing.

We have always had the blueprint from the SARS affected countries if we (the West) didn’t have white exceptionalism. It won’t happen to us, we’ve got better healthcare, better scientists, cultural differences, etc... etc...

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Great. They're now backtracking and saying that the vaccine for Covid-19 may not work with the much more infectious mutated Covid virus and that having had it in the past might not provide any protection through antibodies created by the body.

I think a cancelled Christmas may well be the least of our worries.

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Source?

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They have to ask the question, and look at what the answer is. Doesn't mean that there is yet any actual evidence that it is a problem.

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Ah yes, China, those most honest of chappies.... not that they have historically hidden things from the world stage... nope, definitely not.

They certainly didn't nail/weld the entrances for entire residents of apartment blocks closed.

They certainly did not isolate entire cities from the rest of the country

They certainly don't have a population who are used to dealing with pandemics

They certainly don't have a population who are more subservient to authority.


A fine comparison to make......

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55388846

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I'm not sure following the rules should necessarily rely on bring "subservient". That's the emotionally charged language of the no mask morons.

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One wonders when the entire country will move to Tier 4, it's the logical thing to do to stop the spread of this new mutation.

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In my opinion I believe that the majority of chinese nationals will be subservient to their government. However, should you wish. replace with obedience etc.

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So all the Governments have got together and agreed this, even the ones with coalitions?

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Unfortunately, my sister in law is an absolute nut job...... I

t's a huge smokescreen to cover a global peadophile ring with children being smuggled underground, governments, media, businesses all in on it. With the only honest person in the entire high profile world being, wait for it, Donald Trump.....


1st in Law, clever lass, but plain loopy

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If they are threatened with world trade collapse or war then yes. However, I do not know this is the case. But to suggest there is no other explanation is a lack of imagination.

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An explanation requires a base level of plausibility and treatment of available evidence to be worthy of the name.

Imagination permits speculation, analytical thought sifts and produces plausible explanations. Nothing you have suggested here qualifies.

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UK's 'supercharged mutation' spotted in the spring, in Brazil.....

source: The Indy. .

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On the contrary is it supposedly on the record that Macron threatened to block shipments unless Borris locked down.

The justification for lockdowns have been shifting widely. Politicians have stated it was impossible to predict the need for a second lockdown when I predicted it in this very thread as it was mainstream scientific opinion.

So we are either in farce or malice. Or farce to hide malice.

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Do you have a link for this allegation?

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https://www.euractiv.com/section/uk-...gent-measures/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dai...-measures.html

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Sorry this one

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dai...e-borders.html

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Thank you. :)

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OOh looks like someone could have been kissing the wrong arse:)

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Nice attempt to side-step the point but it won’t do.

You weren’t making a point about France restricting travel from the UK, you were indulging in wild speculation about Covid being an international conspiracy and suggesting such an ‘explanation’ ought to be entertained, lest one be found lacking imagination.

I responded that your understanding what constitutes an ‘explanation’ is somewhat lacking in finesse. Anything to add?

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Not all countries are dependent on world trade to the extent they couldn't live without it. Similarly not all countries - especially western democracies - allow for an easy justification for war.

Quite often the answer is the most straightforward one. We are dealing with SARS 2 and making a half arsed attempt at deploying the SARS playbook, limping along until a vaccine rather than locking down to elimination without one.

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I do not know what the answer is. I have various theories in my head and update them as information arrives. I will not outline them here as I am too busy.

I do not belive covid or the vacines are fake or anything like that. Only that we are under a fog of political obfuscation.

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Again the answer is the obvious one. Governments (many) trying to hide their own incompetence. We used to call it 'spin' not a New World Order conspiracy theory.

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That is one of the theories.

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Dealing with Covidiots on my towns Facebook page.


They are saying this isn't in law as it is only guidance, and so they are going ahead as planned, even though we are in tier 4

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And that is precisely the sort of equivocation that allowed the MMR scare to take root. Failure to evaluate plausibility, or failure to give appropriate weight to a claim which is contested within a relevant peer group, leads to competing ‘theories’ getting equal airtime in popular media and creates the misleading impression that batschitt crazy speculation should be given equal prominence to thoroughly considered hypothesis.

Occam’s razor is a very useful interpretive principle in situations like this. The simplest explanation is usually the right one. A massive, coordinated virus scare designed to reset the world financial system in favour of control by shadowy elites is not simple. It would be terrifyingly difficult to plan, much less pull off. You’re not demonstrating imagination and flexibility of thought by entertaining it alongside good old fashioned government cock up. Quite the opposite.

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I want to know in what way the 2018 financial system wasn't already rigged in favour of said 'shadowy global elite'.

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People have had enough of this farce, many will do xmas as they had planned following the original guidance.

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In February when I said people should get supplies and consider self isolating I was denounced as a nutcase then. You can go back and read the thread.

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I'd stay off for your own sanity, Hom3r.

I hope you have a Merry Christmas when it comes.

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I’m trying really hard, but I’m failing to understand why this means I should take seriously your claims about a shady international attempt to put one over the common folk.

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Ok if we discount that. Am I suppose to be happy Borris went around promising he would not cancel Christmas and then change the rules last minute. That is either farce or malice.

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You’re proposing a false dilemma. There are other equally plausible explanations in this case, among them the possibility that the government reacted to compelling new evidence as soon as it could reasonably do so. In favour of this possible explanation is the fact that the leaders of the Scottish and Welsh governments agreed the Christmas relaxation with the UK gov acting for England, and withdrew it at the same time. Neither Nicola Sturgeon nor Mark Drakeford owe Boris any favours and both of them would lose no time in exploiting either farce or malice for their own advantage. But they didn’t. Everyone agreed everything at the same time.

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Fine. I predict the 70% more contagious will be dropped or proven wrong. It is ludicrous to think they have such a precise measurement so early. It was most likely justification for Borris' uturn.

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There has been talk before, of different strains with different infection rates and mortality rates. So nothing that unusual.
Either way, whether because of the newer variant or bad behaviour, if the indications are the R number is higher, then harsher restrictions are required.

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They don’t have such a precise measurement and the technical papers that have been issued are laced with caveats to that effect. Much of that has actually found its way into mainstream news reports. There is a level of uncertainty that was reflected in the press conference by stating the new strain “might be” 70% more transmissible but that was always going to get lost in the noise.

To be honest I think the sudden spike in new infections is likely to have more to do with people rapidly getting complacent after the vaccination programme began and deciding to sack off the rules and go to a Christmas party or two. I’m not doubting the new strain exists but I find it too much of a coincidence that the infection spike corresponds so closely to the vaccine approval. Human behaviour is always the weak link in any system.

As to whether the potential transmissibility of the new strain is being exploited to crack down on rule breaking, well, quite possibly it is.

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Interview on yesterday's Andrew Marr show.

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Local Facebook feeds are a minefield of fruitloopery to be honest. I'm sure we will all recognise some classic greatest hits such as;

• My journey out was essential but all these other people were doing 'non essential' things
• A multitude of anitvax things such as 'this vaccine hasn't been tested enough' (how much is 'enough'), I don't want my DNA changed, New World Order, etc.
• This is all the fault of young people/old people/immigrants
• Brexit will make all this better or worse
• The whole thing is a hoax anyway

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Let's hope there isn't. They should have said that the vaccine will probably still be effective,, but that to be 100% they need more time to be able to do more tests.

Perhaps they thought that this would would cause panic etc, but we are adults and need to be told the facts straight away, even if It's possible/actual bad news.

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It is perfectly plausible there is a new strain. What is unusual is to know the R number so early. As I said before viruses do not come with R values written on them.

Most likely this is some estimation that actually came with a wide error bar that Boris has chosen not to share with us.

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The newer variant hasn't just popped up in the last week. It's had time to be able to compare transmission rates.

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:tu:

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Did Boris also create it in Brazil in the Spring? (If the Telegraph story is to be believed)

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New coronavirus variant: What do we know?

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It does have a range and it's in the published paper. It is, obviously, to some extent based on an limited data.

These things don't, in and of themselves, mean that the best estimate isn't the best estimate available now or that decisions based upon them are not correct. There's no lab conditions where both viruses are spread identically for a comparison.

Once again this is some distance from the Illuminati.

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If you want to look up that theory. It is the world economic forum not the illuminati. And it stems from papers they wrote saying they will use the next pandemic as a time to implement new economic models.

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Links?

Did you mean this?

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/...-the-pandemic/

Asking for "positive ideas" is a huge difference from "using the pandemic as a time to implement new economic models"...

They have some really evil ideas there, such as

Target illicit profits to fight financial crime
Strengthen primary healthcare
Universal Basic Housing for all
Protect ourselves from future pandemics
A local, sustainable and fair food system

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https://www.mccaskiebutcher.co.uk/pr...link-sausages/

Fill your face, Hugh.....:D

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Yes. although claims vary. Sometimes they claim they want to phase out private property or develop mind reading technology. The question is if these people hold any real influence or are just mindless yuppie marketers.

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:D

Banter alert tho - calm down.

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Why would those who make the most money from private property (and debt) want to eliminate it altogether?

While I'm sure some would like to see the return of everything to state ownership it's not there guys.

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Just been on the BBC News that the PM is to have another news briefing to update us "later on this afternoon".

They also said that there are problems getting covid information out to some people in Bradford because about 15% of it's population doesn't speak English. Maybe this is one of the reasons why it's affecting the BAME community more??

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we have never had everything under state ownership. And I don't mean housing. I mean everything down to your spoons will be rented from someone.