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Someone behaving that way in front of a Commons select committee could be held in contempt of Parliament, but the non-members punishment for this appears to be getting hauled in front of the Speaker to get shouted at. :D

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They do as far as I know - if that person is then in court.

No-one has yet though. Non of the hotel 'hearings' have any legal standing.

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Just when you thought it couldn't get any crazier...

Roger Stone

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Meanwhile over 3000 US citizens died from Covid yesterday. Get your priorities right Mr President.

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And if granny had wheels she’d have been a wagon ...

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Someone else said that Biden/Harris vans were delivering ballot boxes in Arizona. They're so unimaginative with their claims of fraud. It would be like accusing someone of stealing by saying they were running out of a house with black and white stripping clothing with a bag labelled Swag.

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Lol!

Putting aside the whackiness of the claim itself, "absolute incontrovertible evidence" and "and it turned out to be true" are contradictory.

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wonder if he a member of qanon

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And yet another lawsuit.

"Trump Campaign files lawsuit to invalidate Georgia presidential election results "


Link(needs VPN)

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Well, they lost six yesterday...

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/1...n-court-443010

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An attorney has tendered CCTV evidence to a Georgia Senate Judiciary Subcommittee which she claims shows poll workers waiting for observers and media to leave before accessing ballot-stuffed suitcases from under a table.

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6214020015001



Such blatant cheating it's quite shocking.

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Meanwhile...

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...ith-california

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FAKE NEWS¡¡¡¡ ;)

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/georgia-suitcases/

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Such blatant trolling is so 1980. Get thee back to Usenet ...

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That's a mountain of evidence proving fraud, "Data experts also provided sworn testimony in the lawsuit identifying thousands of illegal votes"........

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Strange they can't ever supply even a scrap of this mountain of evidence once they get inside a court room. :rolleyes:

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Or is it a case of judges looking the other way.

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I'm sure you have plenty of proof to back up that accusation. Be interesting to see what it is.

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I thought of it as more a question than an accusation.

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Including numerous Republican / Trump appointed judges. Clearly a nationwide conspiracy to subvert the election results, there's no other possible explanation. :shocked:

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There was no question mark though so it looks like a statement. ;)

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Let me assure the court of public opinion it was a question.
No need to dispatch the grammar police.

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When you put it that way it does seem to go deeper than i ever imagined:tu:

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I doubt it could ever go deeper than your imagination will allow, and I suspect your sarcasm antenna has become detached.

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I think you will find there is a very simple explanation for his egregious calumnies - in the original incarnation of the Smurfs (in Belgium), they are called "Les Schtroumpfs", and Papa Smurf is "Le Grand Schtroumpf"... :D

He's not just on Twitter, it seems... ;)

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Ffs....:D

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If it doesnt have a question mark, then its not a question.

I'm starting to think you are just trolling this topic and may need a break from it.

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...CF?li=BB141NW3 Says the man who just been to court 40 times in the last month...

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Interesting comment at the end of this Times article, about the GOP quandary in the Georgia run-off election for two US Senators.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/t...fb7c223d4a8f90 * the two Republican candidates

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Republucans are right, whats the point in voting if its all fixed? I think they're right to abstain . Thank goodness for Trump derangement syndrome ;)

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https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...4&d=1607288330

Does that mean all those who have been in close contact with him over the past couple of days (in the various court cases, legislative hearings, meetings, etc.) will have to self isolate for up to fourteen days?

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The "China" virus ? What a muppet.

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It's not getting any better either

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I wonder if this is the one result that Giuliani won't challenge in court? ;)

Then again, maybe it was a negative result until a Biden-Harris van turned up at the labs with updated results. Source: A sworn affadavit from a temp working there. :D

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https://azcapitoltimes.com/news/2020...a-legislature/

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I'm starting to quite like this virus.its choosing its targets wisely.

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You might be right for once.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...words-n1250236

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Trump lawyer Jenna Ellis has COVID-19.

Looks like spending time in lots of different rooms with lots of different people (whilst not wearing masks) increases your chances of getting COVID, doesn’t it?

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You'd need to ask Hom3R about that ;)

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You know if I were American I'd have voted for him first time round as I thougt it would be a laugh, turned out the joke was on me and pretty much everyone else on the planet who isn't closely related to him!

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https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...grounds-204708


Question are the elderly more wiser.

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What a pointless, ignorant, comment. Didn’t expect that from you.

File it along with other classics, such as:

- those that voted Brexit were uneducated and didn’t know what they voted for

- all Tory voters are selfish middle class snobs that hate poor people.

Etc.

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No country is immune to half its voters being deceived by populists who promise the earth and don't deliver. Which reminds me, I must see how Boris is getting along in Bruxelles. ;)

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Citations for the above, please.

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I see what you did there ;)

I don't think we can brag about having an electorate with a higher IQ. Populists who promise everything and a change , then deliver nothing and leave us worse off are all the rage these days. I blame reality TV and short attention spans.

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In massively surprising news The Supreme Court has refused to overturn an election: https://uk.reuters.com/article/usa-e...-idUKKBN28I35E

lol.

It's especially funny as every time these idiots got knocked back they gloated about how their true plan was to get to the Supreme Court as fast as possible.

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The Supreme Court Order in full...

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...9&d=1607466897

That’s unusually* brief, with no opinion or dissent noted

*as in "almost unheard of"

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https://www.texastribune.org/2020/12...ction-georgia/ Meanwhile, previously in Texas...

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Either you are really dumb, or just trolling.

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Its amazing how all this alleged voting fraud has only happened in states Trump lost. :rolleyes:

Apparently even the pandamic only affected those states procedures, truely a clever virus. :erm:

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A further 17 states have joined the Texas fun.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...3&d=1607555436

Amicus Curiae: A person that is not a party to a particular litigation but that is permitted by the court to advise it in respect to some matter of law that directly affects the case in question

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Interestingly, Kansas and Mississippi, which both signed this, also count mail-in ballots that arrive late.

The brief also argues that executive officials shouldn't be able to change voting rules. But Texas, the plaintiff in this case, the state they're supporting, did. The Texas governor used executive power to extend the early voting period.

In Florida, on the other hand, the Secretary of State unilaterally extended the voter registration deadline.

Utah mail in ballots just have to be post marked befor the election date and will be accepted for several days after Election Day.

I wonder what the difference is between those States and the four that are sued?

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Joe Biden’s son Hunter Biden under federal investigation for tax case


https://www.newsbreak.com/news/21218...ase?s=web_push


would he be eligible for a pardon from dad if he's been a naughty boy?

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Yup he would. You would hope he doesn't get one but given the direction of American politics, I would not be at all surprised if he got one.

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Normally you'd have to be found guilty of something before being pardoned for it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/01/u...ni-pardon.html

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I did ask the question would he be eligible for a pardon from dad if he's been a naughty boy?

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Allegation seems to be that Kushner got a change of foreign policy in order to get a bail-out from Qatar.
https://www.ft.com/content/f314e002-...f-740897f5efd7

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Pretty sure there will be quite a few State investigations into politicians’ families tax affairs over the next few months...

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If Bill Clinton can pardon his Brother, then yes it’s possible. And it is also possible to pardon someone, even if they had not been charged with anything, just like President Gerald Ford did to President Nixon in 1974, when Nixon resigned from office and he had not yet been charged with a crime.

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Again the pardon is absurd. If Biden pardons his son it should an impeachable offence but it won't be, it's just the way it works. Using the power of the office of President to get your family out of trouble.

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It's ridiculous and just encourages wrong uns. Unfortunately, the US Constitution is treated a bit like a holy writing which cannot be improved upon.

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Yes it can. They’re called Amendments.

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Does it getting amended much in practice?

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Last time was 1992: the 27th amendment, which took 202 years from proposal to ratification. :rofl:

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Twe...enth-Amendment

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:D:D:D

I'm pleased I asked the follow-up question!

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27th Amendment was only one that took that long, hence why it is the last. The 25th Amendment which deals with the Succession to the presidency, was brought about because of the Assassination of President John F Kennedy, when Lyndon B Johnson, JFK’s Vice President, was sworn in, the office of Vice President was left vacant until January 20th, 1965. President Johnson had once suffered a heart attack. When he assumed office after JFK was assassinated in November of 1963, the fact there was no Vice President for such a long period, concerned politicians.

The 25th Amendment deals with the above problems and that even after the human tragedy of a dying president, America will still have a functioning chief executive, if it attacked or provoked.

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The 25th amendment states that in the event of national calamity, Kiefer Sutherland becomes president. :D

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Another 20 States (and 3 Territories) have filed an amicus brief in support of the defendants (and in opposition to Texas's overturn-the-election suit).

https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketP...%20et%20al.pdf

(Legal) War Between the States...

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But it has be to carried out within 24 hours...

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I wonder what the Republicans want to happen. Because they're no longer alleging fraud or dodgy voting machines but coming up with different reasons for each state as to why the voters should be thrown out, some of the reasons being ones they themselves sanctioned in their own states.

But if he succeeds, they only get the states that Trump needs to flip to be thrown out, and then they get the House to re-select Trump.

What happens then? The people who voted Biden know what has happened. Those four states which are important are going to be really, really angry. The world will see whats happened too. America would be lucky to avoid a civil war.

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It gets better/weirder.

The leaders of Pennsylvania's General Assembly have filed a brief supporting Texas' effort to have the Supreme Court throw out the results of the presidential election in their state, over-ruling the laws they voted for and got passed.

Are they also asking for their own elections to be thrown out and for the General Assembly to be declared illegal? (since they were elected on the same ballots?).

They may not have thought this all the way through...

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The weird thing is apparently the fraud was only about the Presidental vote, and amazingly didn't affect any other vote on the ballot. This tweet is about the House brief to the Texan court application:

https://twitter.com/ZoeTillman/statu...177584642?s=20
EDIT: Just seen my point is the same as Hugh's

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I believe the pathetic Democrats cheated yet again, just like they attempted to in 2016, with the Coup attempt by sparking an investigation soon as Trump was sworn in, Clinton and the DNC paid for a fake Russian dossier that brought about an alleged Russian interference that they say Trump was heavily involved in. Absolutely no evidence was raised, they tried to unseat Trump on a totally hoax premise.

I do not believe the results of this election are true, I’m suppose to believe a gaffe prone idiot Biden won 82 million, more than Obama, absolute bollocks. Why did on the night of the election results several of the Key States stop counting, then in the middle of the night hundreds of thousands of ballots all went for Biden, which is statistically impossible unless cheating is involved. There is video evidence of voting clerks pulling out suitcases of ballots from under desks, when poll watchers were removed from the counting room.

Democrat party cheats, has cheated in the past and I believe have cheated once more.

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I’m pretty sure a lot of this stuff has been laughed out of court in various states already, and the first of them was dismissed at the Supreme Court with an unprecedented one sentence ruling. It really is time to stop believing the extremist nonsense from the GOP lunatic fringe.

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The turn out in 2008 was 58.2%, this year it was 66.7%. Plus the voting population has increased since then.

Biden 'only' got 51.3% of the votes cast compared to 52.9% that Obama got.

There is a reason the Republicans are voting on the raw figure rather than the share of the vote or taking into account turnout.


Well the Republicans couldn't prove it so now they're going to try and overturn the election anyway.

Might as well do this next time as well. If a Republican wins in 2024 the Democrats should just try and claim they cheated (again, who needs evidence?) and Califonia can sue whichever states just happen to be the margin required to try and get a Democratic President instead.

Presidental Elections just became pointless.

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There is no video of voting clerks pulling out suitcases of ballots from under desks.
Don't you think it's strange that the legal team who released a video alleging that, who have all the footage from the day including the moment the table was put in place have not released footage of suitcases being placed there.

Perhaps they saw ballot boxes like these being placed there but it did not fit the narrative.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...7&d=1607677306

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:tu:

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No fraud or suitcases were found as sworn in federal court by a state Chief Investigator. They were boxes to store valid votes awaiting processing.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ful...ator-affidavit

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/...84055.72.1.pdf

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This is the other problem with the fraud narrative from Republicans, what they're alleging should be easy to prove but they can't.

By far the most serious accusation that might have weight behind for Biden is those charges his son is being investigated for. Is Biden complicit? If I were the Republicans I would focus less on trying to invalidate the results of an election they lost, and in doing so thumbing their nose at Democracy, and focus on that.

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Agreed. They need to focus on the next election.

They've cried wolf too many times on this current election thus giving Biden an easy ride with his son.

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This "election" will live in infamy , millions of Americans think it was stolen by fraudulent means, also people all around the world share that view. I will always view it as dubious, there are way too many people trying to brush the claims of cheating under the carpet without proper investigation, and of course the longer this runs the harder it will be to recover evidence should there be any to find.

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They have yet to find any fraud. After all their claims of it. The minority that believe there was fraud can keep thinking it if they want. Wont change a thing.

It didn't happen. Biden won.

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Yes, those 50 court cases that found no evidence of fraud or cheating is indeed "brushing it under the carpet"...

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I think some people will only believe Trump has won if they got to count every vote themselves. By which time, the next election will be due.

Apparently, the US courts are not good enough for them.

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Chris there is nothing lunatic about it. For 4 years we had extremist crap about Russian interference sponsored by Trump from the never Trumpers, so I couldn’t give a shit, nor do I apologise for believing Biden’s win is illegitimate.

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Why can't Trump prove that then?

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People "all around the world" believe Elvis is still alive.

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He was also seen voting for Biden, wasn't he? :D

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Postal vote . . . from 1,872 different residences

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One of which was a chip shop in Grimsby. :D

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Because it never happened and people are finding it a bit hard to row back from a story they once believed in.

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That just about sums the whole pantomime up nicely.

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Strange how some who espouse the democratic will of the people don't seem to accept the democratic will of the people in the US elections...

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Kinda sums up the attitude of some on here about Brexit. :)

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l think you will find the vast majority have accept the democratic mandate of the people but that does not disqualify them from having a view on all things Brexit or anything else as that is what a debating forum is for among other things.

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Totally agree. It's a bit bizarre to say that because a referendum went one way, all discussion on the topic is henceforth banned. Especially as the referendum did not flesh out exactly what the decision meant, meaning it has been fleshed out and negotiated for four years.

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Now two imaginary States have filed an Amicus Brief in support...

(No, I’m not making it up).

https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrews...h=154a679b24a8 https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketP...2020-12-11.pdf

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Only in America .... :erm:

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Supreme Court denies Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton's attempt to overturn the outcome of the election.

https://assets.documentcloud.org/doc...3337/order.pdf

The Texas AG won’t be getting his pardon.

I wonder if Alito, Coney Barrett, Gorsuch, Kavanagh and Thomas have joined the Deep State conspiracy...

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Always thought the Supreme Court wouldn't get involved which is why I wasn't too bothered by ACB's rushed confirmation in terms of the election.

They are lifetime appointees. They don't owe anyone anything. While some are socially (and politically) conservative do I think they'd bring themselves and their Court into disrepute by overturning a legitimate election? Eh, probably not.

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You would think that would be the end of it but there's more.

Rudy Giuliani:
https://thehill.com/regulation/court...e-court-defeat

Also
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...9&d=1607753505

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This whole thing has been American institutions holding up when the politicians let them down. It's depressing how many Republicans signed onto an attempt to overturn an election after they couldn't prove fraud.

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I would be interested to know how many Republicans in the US geninely feel the election is fraudulent and those Republicans who don't but are just trying it on.

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It's not just that - Trump has a very large base of supporters, and has been seen in the past, if you're not completely for him, you're against him, and that way lies de-selection challenges.